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| From | Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.c |
| Subject | Re: quick & easy random dir vector, how? |
| Date | 2019-06-03 22:42 +0100 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <87woi22vo5.fsf@bsb.me.uk> (permalink) |
| References | (8 earlier) <9a4ef818-9470-436a-9829-c94e2f0a785d@googlegroups.com> <87lfyi4usz.fsf@bsb.me.uk> <1ac4b5ea-fb71-4691-8dad-fca9cc976dd3@googlegroups.com> <878sui4eb3.fsf@bsb.me.uk> <25ee53f6-448e-4ca1-8911-68dea92ec945@googlegroups.com> |
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> writes: > On Monday, June 3, 2019 at 4:14:25 PM UTC-4, Ben Bacarisse wrote: >> "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> writes: >> > I asked the Centaur Tech about it, and he said that even though the >> > values are skewed at higher temperatures, they still are sufficiently >> > random to be considered truly random, as you could not predict where >> > on the 0..255 range each value would fall. >> > >> > It would be the same here with this spherical randomness. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> >> I can't find an answer in that anecdote. > > It's there in the highlighted sentence. You used the phrase "fully random" and I asked "How much bias in the distribution would it take before you declared it not 'fully random'?" The anecdote does not use that phrase. The engineer is talking about true randomness -- a physical property of a data source. Pseudo-random numbers are entirely predictable, so the engineer's talk of unpredictable values can't carry over to answer my question. What's more, I was asking a quantitative question -- how /much/ bias is allowable in what you call a fully random distribution? It hardly matters now. I was curious about what you meant, but not so curious as to keep trying to find out. -- Ben.
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quick & easy random dir vector, how? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2019-05-30 13:47 -0700
Re: quick & easy random dir vector, how? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2019-05-30 13:56 -0700
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Re: quick & easy random dir vector, how? waterwitch86@gmail.com - 2019-06-09 03:47 -0700
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Re: quick & easy random dir vector, how? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-05-31 22:49 +0100
Re: quick & easy random dir vector, how? Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2019-05-31 23:01 -0400
Re: quick & easy random dir vector, how? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2019-06-01 04:10 -0700
Re: quick & easy random dir vector, how? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-06-01 13:47 +0100
Re: quick & easy random dir vector, how? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2019-06-01 12:04 -0700
Re: quick & easy random dir vector, how? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2019-06-01 12:35 -0700
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Re: quick & easy random dir vector, how? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2019-06-03 05:30 -0700
Re: quick & easy random dir vector, how? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2019-06-03 05:39 -0700
Re: quick & easy random dir vector, how? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-06-03 15:17 +0100
Re: quick & easy random dir vector, how? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2019-06-03 07:32 -0700
Re: quick & easy random dir vector, how? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-06-03 18:09 +0200
Re: quick & easy random dir vector, how? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-06-03 21:14 +0100
Re: quick & easy random dir vector, how? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2019-06-03 13:18 -0700
Re: quick & easy random dir vector, how? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-06-03 22:42 +0100
Re: quick & easy random dir vector, how? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2019-06-03 16:21 -0700
Re: quick & easy random dir vector, how? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2019-06-03 15:40 -0700
Re: quick & easy random dir vector, how? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2019-06-04 05:19 -0700
Re: quick & easy random dir vector, how? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-06-04 16:31 +0100
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Re: quick & easy random dir vector, how? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2019-05-31 06:33 -0700
Re: quick & easy random dir vector, how? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2019-05-31 07:00 -0700
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Re: quick & easy random dir vector, how? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-06-02 03:13 +0100
Re: quick & easy random dir vector, how? "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson_invalid@invalid.com> - 2019-06-01 21:47 -0700
Re: quick & easy random dir vector, how? Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2019-06-02 13:16 +0300
Re: quick & easy random dir vector, how? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2019-06-02 05:38 -0700
Re: quick & easy random dir vector, how? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2019-06-02 05:54 -0700
Re: quick & easy random dir vector, how? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2019-06-02 06:08 -0700
Re: quick & easy random dir vector, how? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2019-06-02 06:24 -0700
Re: quick & easy random dir vector, how? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2019-06-02 06:34 -0700
Re: quick & easy random dir vector, how? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2019-06-02 06:43 -0700
Re: quick & easy random dir vector, how? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2019-06-02 07:06 -0700
Re: quick & easy random dir vector, how? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2019-06-02 13:12 -0700
Re: quick & easy random dir vector, how? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2019-06-02 06:58 -0700
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