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Re: Best C compiler

From Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c
Subject Re: Best C compiler
Date 2020-03-11 15:28 +0000
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Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> writes:

> On Wednesday, 11 March 2020 03:34:28 UTC, Ben Bacarisse  wrote:
>> Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> writes:
>> 
>> > On Sunday, 8 March 2020 13:39:49 UTC, Ben Bacarisse  wrote:
>> >> Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> writes:
>> >> 
>> >> > If you go down the route of writing scripts for the debugger, then you 
>> >> > get bugs in the scripts.
>> >> 
>> >> You make it sound inevitable.  You may get bugs, and when you do they
>> >> may be trivial and immediately obvious.  You are not, I hope, advocating
>> >> against optional functionality on the grounds that it can go wrong.
>> >> 
>> > Adding options because it is technically possible to do so, without
>> > any consideration of how easy the software is to use, isn't a route
>> > to good design. Particularly if it is decided to provide a user
>> > interface in the form of a scripting language.
>> 
>> We largely agree.  The fact that any script can have bugs is not, on its
>> own, enough to ban embedded scripting from all applications.
>> 
> No, but of all the interfaces that you can offer to the user, a scripting
> interface probably offers the most flexibility combined with the worst
> ease of use. Once scripts get above a certain very basic level of
> complexity, the user, now a programmer, makes errors. That's the experience
> of software engineering.

I was not suggesting that other interfaces were /not/ provided.  Are you
saying that scripting is like a drug so even providing it as an option
will draw inexperienced people into some sort spiral of buggy
dependence?  It should simply be an option for those who find it useful.

> However a debugger is in a special situation, in it is already designed
> to remove bugs from a scripting language.

I don't follow.

-- 
Ben.

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