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Re: does a double cast to unsigned makes sense in any circumstance?

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Meredith Montgomery <mmontgomery@levado.to> writes:
> Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> writes:
>> James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> writes:
>> [...]
>>> "... the value is converted by repeatedly adding ... one more than the
>>> maximum value that can be represented in the new type until the value is
>>> in the range of the new type." (6.3.1.3p2).
>>>
>>> It's the other direction that's dangerous: conversion of an integer
>>> value to a signed integer type that is not representable in that type
>>> has undefined behavior.
>>
>> No, converting an out-of-range integer value to a signed integer type
>> yields an implementation-defined result or raises an
>> implementation-defined signal.  (C99 added the option of raising a
>> signal; in my opinion that was a bad idea.)
>
> Just curious --- why do you think a signal is a bad idea?

A signal isn't inherently a bad idea, particularly if portable code can
handle it.  But the fact that the signal is implementation-defined makes
that impossible.  (And freestanding implementations needn't support
<signal.h>.)

And I've never heard of an implementation that raises a signal on an out
of range conversion, so having that option has not turned out to be
useful.

To make it potentially useful, the standard could have required a
specific signal to be raised (say, SIGCONV, which could be an alias for
some other signal), and specified a predefined macro that tells you
which choice the implementation made.

Even more useful would be to require the signal (but that would break
existing code) or provide a mechanism to enable it (but that might be
too great a burden on existing implementations).  But again, that would
leave freestanding implementations out in the cold.

Reliable handling of numeric overflow has always been difficult in C.
This feature seems like a single very small step in making it easier,
but without more complete support I think it would have been better to
leave it the way it was in C90.

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com
Working, but not speaking, for Philips
void Void(void) { Void(); } /* The recursive call of the void */

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does a double cast to unsigned makes sense in any circumstance? Meredith Montgomery <mmontgomery@levado.to> - 2022-01-03 14:15 -0300
  Re: does a double cast to unsigned makes sense in any circumstance? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2022-01-03 17:32 +0000
    Re: does a double cast to unsigned makes sense in any circumstance? Meredith Montgomery <mmontgomery@levado.to> - 2022-01-15 22:09 -0300
  Re: does a double cast to unsigned makes sense in any circumstance? Andrey Tarasevich <andreytarasevich@hotmail.com> - 2022-01-03 10:06 -0800
    Re: does a double cast to unsigned makes sense in any circumstance? Meredith Montgomery <mmontgomery@levado.to> - 2022-01-15 22:12 -0300
      Re: does a double cast to unsigned makes sense in any circumstance? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2022-01-15 23:12 -0500
        Re: does a double cast to unsigned makes sense in any circumstance? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2022-01-20 19:37 -0800
          Re: does a double cast to unsigned makes sense in any circumstance? "james...@alumni.caltech.edu" <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2022-01-21 09:35 -0800
            Re: does a double cast to unsigned makes sense in any circumstance? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2022-01-21 17:19 -0800
  Re: does a double cast to unsigned makes sense in any circumstance? Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2022-01-03 19:31 +0100
    Re: does a double cast to unsigned makes sense in any circumstance? Meredith Montgomery <mmontgomery@levado.to> - 2022-01-15 22:14 -0300
      Re: does a double cast to unsigned makes sense in any circumstance? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2022-01-15 23:24 -0500
        Re: does a double cast to unsigned makes sense in any circumstance? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2022-01-16 13:30 -0800
          Re: does a double cast to unsigned makes sense in any circumstance? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2022-01-16 23:25 -0500
          Re: does a double cast to unsigned makes sense in any circumstance? Meredith Montgomery <mmontgomery@levado.to> - 2022-01-17 09:43 -0300
            Re: does a double cast to unsigned makes sense in any circumstance? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2022-01-17 13:59 -0800
              Re: does a double cast to unsigned makes sense in any circumstance? Meredith Montgomery <mmontgomery@levado.to> - 2022-01-28 22:13 -0300
                Re: does a double cast to unsigned makes sense in any circumstance? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2022-01-28 21:29 -0500
                Re: does a double cast to unsigned makes sense in any circumstance? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2022-02-03 22:28 -0800
                Re: does a double cast to unsigned makes sense in any circumstance? "james...@alumni.caltech.edu" <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2022-02-04 10:43 -0800
                Re: does a double cast to unsigned makes sense in any circumstance? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2022-01-28 19:37 -0800
                Re: does a double cast to unsigned makes sense in any circumstance? Manfred <noname@add.invalid> - 2022-01-30 03:45 +0100
                Re: does a double cast to unsigned makes sense in any circumstance? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2022-01-30 00:01 -0800
                Re: does a double cast to unsigned makes sense in any circumstance? Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-01-30 12:59 -0500
        Re: does a double cast to unsigned makes sense in any circumstance? Meredith Montgomery <mmontgomery@levado.to> - 2022-01-17 09:41 -0300
  Re: does a double cast to unsigned makes sense in any circumstance? Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-01-03 14:37 -0500
    Re: does a double cast to unsigned makes sense in any circumstance? Meredith Montgomery <mmontgomery@levado.to> - 2022-01-15 22:15 -0300
      Re: does a double cast to unsigned makes sense in any circumstance? Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-01-15 20:55 -0500
        Re: does a double cast to unsigned makes sense in any circumstance? Meredith Montgomery <mmontgomery@levado.to> - 2022-01-17 09:44 -0300
    Re: does a double cast to unsigned makes sense in any circumstance? Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2022-01-16 05:13 +0100
  Re: does a double cast to unsigned makes sense in any circumstance? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2022-01-15 18:53 -0800
    Re: does a double cast to unsigned makes sense in any circumstance? Meredith Montgomery <mmontgomery@levado.to> - 2022-01-17 09:46 -0300
    Re: does a double cast to unsigned makes sense in any circumstance? Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2022-01-29 16:57 +0100
      Re: does a double cast to unsigned makes sense in any circumstance? Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2022-01-29 09:54 -0800
        Re: does a double cast to unsigned makes sense in any circumstance? Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2022-01-30 13:17 +0100
          Re: does a double cast to unsigned makes sense in any circumstance? Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2022-01-30 23:53 -0800

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