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| From | Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.c |
| Subject | Re: Compute Unique Numbers in a Set |
| Date | 2022-12-29 02:06 +0000 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <87mt77j741.fsf@bsb.me.uk> (permalink) |
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Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> writes:
> On 12/27/22 9:57 PM, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>> Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> writes:
>>
>>> On 12/27/22 3:08 PM, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>>>> Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> On 12/27/22 12:53 PM, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>>>>>> Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 12/27/22 11:59 AM, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>>>>>>>> Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> writes:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 12/27/22 10:57 AM, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> writes:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/26/22 6:45 PM, Albert wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Is this the best way to generate unique random numbers in a set of 6
>>>>>>>>>>>> numbers?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> An alternate way to generate numbers without repeat, and avoid
>>>>>>>>>>> recalling the random number generator, is first generate the number
>>>>>>>>>>> between 0 and N-1,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Then generate the second number between 0 and N-2, and if the result
>>>>>>>>>>> is greater than or equal the first number, increment it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Then generate the third number between 0 and N-3, and if the result is
>>>>>>>>>>> greater than or equal to the first number, increment it. THen if it is
>>>>>>>>>>> greater than or equal to the second number, increment it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Just keep repeating the pattern with smaller and smaller ranges, and
>>>>>>>>>>> compare to the previous numbers in order, and increment if the value
>>>>>>>>>>> at that point is greater than or equoal.
>>>>>>>>>> I don't see how this does the job at all. For example, when picking 3
>>>>>>>>>> from, say, [0,5] we might pick 2 and then 1. Now if the third choice is
>>>>>>>>>> 1 it is not equal to 2 (so no increment) but it is equal to 1 so
>>>>>>>>>> increment to 2.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As I think about it, if you increment, you need to restart the scan
>>>>>>>>> with the beginning number, but not repeat a test. Another way is have
>>>>>>>>> a sorted list of picks and work smallest to largest.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> #1
>>>>>>>>> From [0, 5] get 2
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> #2
>>>>>>>>> From [0, 4] get 1
>>>>>>>>> 1 not >= 2 so ok.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> #3
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> From [0, 3] get 1
>>>>>>>>> 1 not >= 2 so next
>>>>>>>>> 1 IS >= 1 so make 2 and restart
>>>>>>>>> 1 >= 2 so make 3
>>>>>>>> Presumably "2 >= 2 so make 3"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> don't repeat test 2.
>>>>>>>> Now you just get highly biased results (if I've got then hang of it).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, it is unbiased, we skip the test of the second number, as that
>>>>>>> rule was already used for this number.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What's the algorithm, then? My attempt to code it from your description
>>>>>> must have gone wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>> You choose a random number based on the number of UNCHOSEN numbers
>>>>> left.
>>>> Can you give the algorithm using some pseudo code?
>>>>
>>>>> since they weren't all the lowest numbers, you increase the value by
>>>>> one for every chosen value that is less than or equal to the number
>>>>> picked (including after any other increases).
>>>> Surely it's a few lines of pseudo code. I'm getting lost in the words.
>>>
>>> simplest version, which keeps a temp sorted array.
>>>
>>> function non_repeating_random_range(
>>> int npick, // number of picks to make
>>> int nchoice, // range of choices
>>> int* randoms): // array to return the answers in
>>>
>>> int ordered_list[npick]; // List of picks in acending order
>>> for i in 0 to npick-1
>>> random = random_number(nchoice-i); // Random unpicked slot
>>> for element in urdered_list:
>>> if random >= element: random++
>>> else break from loop
>>> *randoms++ = random;
>>> insert random into ordered_list
>> OK, I see what you were getting at.
>> That seems a little more fussy than Floyd's algorithm using a set:
>> set<int> S = {}
>> for j = nchoice - npick + 1 to nchoice
>> r = random_int(j) + 1
>> insert into S (if r in S then j else r)
>
> Because his method first only generates a "Set", which appears to not
> remember the order of insertion
I don't know what this "because" relates to.
> He is generating a random combination, not a random (partial)
> permutation. The original program seemed to make a distinction. The
> question comes is the answer 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 different than 5, 4, 3, 2,
> 1 ?
>
> If his set tries to remember order, then the first element CAN'T be
> from the whole set, as the random_int for that isn't from the whold
> nchoice option.
I'm lost again.
--
Ben.
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Re: Compute Unique Numbers in a Set "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2022-12-26 16:52 -0800
Re: Compute Unique Numbers in a Set tTh <tth@none.invalid> - 2022-12-27 02:44 +0100
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Re: Compute Unique Numbers in a Set Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-12-26 20:47 -0500
Re: Compute Unique Numbers in a Set Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2022-12-27 15:57 +0000
Re: Compute Unique Numbers in a Set Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-12-27 11:16 -0500
Re: Compute Unique Numbers in a Set Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2022-12-27 16:59 +0000
Re: Compute Unique Numbers in a Set Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-12-27 12:24 -0500
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Re: Compute Unique Numbers in a Set Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-01-15 17:42 +0100
Re: Compute Unique Numbers in a Set gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2023-01-15 17:11 +0000
Re: Compute Unique Numbers in a Set tTh <tth@none.invalid> - 2023-01-08 10:13 +0100
Re: Compute Unique Numbers in a Set Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-01-08 10:25 +0100
Re: Compute Unique Numbers in a Set gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2023-01-08 13:20 +0000
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