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Re: Big integers

From Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c
Subject Re: Big integers
Date 2018-12-07 17:55 +0000
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Bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes:

> On 07/12/2018 15:26, antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl wrote:
<snip>
>> Since you like benchmarks, can you say how much time your
>> library need to multiply 3^(10^7) and 3^(10^7) + 1 (that is
>> 3 to power ten million time 3 to power ten million plus one).
>> One my machine using piles of bloatware on top on GMP this
>> computation needs 0.23 sec (less than one fourth to a second).
>> To isoleate time of multiplication I stored 3^(10^7) in variable a,
>> 3^(10^7) + 1 in variable a1, and multipled a by a1 storing result
>> in variable b (but avoiding printing it).
>
> It would take ages. Since 3**(10**7) is around 5 million digits, then
> a simple nested multiple loop over both numbers would involve 25
> trillion digit multiplies. Mine is not quite as bad, but is still 250
> billion inner loops (I haven't tried it; just getting 3**10000000
> would take forever).
>
> I would ask you to verify your timings however.

It looks like a plausible time.  A quick check with ghci (a Haskell
interpreter which does use GMP) gives:

  Prelude> even (3^10^7 * (3^10^7 + 1))
  True
  (0.38 secs, 17,513,600 bytes)

I ask whether the result is even to force something to be calculated
without having to convert the whole number to decimal for printing.
Even converting to decimal only takes 3 seconds:

  Prelude> length $ show $ 3^10^7 * (3^10^7 + 1)
  9542426
  (3.04 secs, 622,005,224 bytes)

> Anyway I'm not claiming that my library is fast, but that it is small
> and simple. If it is not that fast, then that just means there is a
> much lower limit to how 'big' the numbers can be that you can
> practically work with.

There is certainly a use for simple but not fast, though I'd want a few
more features myself.  Linux's bc calculator uses it's own simple
implementation because it is defined to use fixed precision floating
point.  bc would take ages just to calculate the exponential.

-- 
Ben.

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Big integers Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-12-04 12:17 +0000
  Re: Big integers fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2018-12-04 05:58 -0800
    Re: Big integers Chad <cdalten@gmail.com> - 2018-12-04 08:22 -0800
      Re: Big integers Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-12-04 17:04 +0000
        Re: Big integers scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-12-04 17:19 +0000
  Re: Big integers Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-12-04 08:38 -0800
    Re: Big integers Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-12-04 17:35 +0000
      Re: Big integers Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-12-04 18:13 +0000
        Re: Big integers "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-04 10:50 -0800
        Re: Big integers Rosario19 <Ros@invalid.invalid> - 2018-12-06 17:56 +0100
      Re: Big integers Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2018-12-04 10:22 -0800
        Re: Big integers Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2018-12-04 18:58 +0000
          Re: Big integers Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2018-12-04 11:32 -0800
            Re: Big integers Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2018-12-04 22:45 +0000
              Re: Big integers jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu - 2018-12-04 14:57 -0800
          Re: Big integers jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu - 2018-12-04 12:14 -0800
          Re: Big integers chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com - 2018-12-04 16:58 -0800
            Re: Big integers Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-12-05 03:14 +0000
              Re: Big integers "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-12-05 14:27 -0800
            Re: Big integers Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2018-12-04 20:03 -0500
              Re: Big integers "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-12-05 14:25 -0800
      Re: Big integers jacob navia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2018-12-04 23:45 +0100
        Re: Big integers Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-12-04 23:29 +0000
        Re: Big integers Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-12-05 00:30 +0000
          Re: Big integers "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-12-05 14:28 -0800
        Re: Big integers Jens Stuckelberger <Jens_Stuckelberger@nowhere.net> - 2018-12-05 17:50 +0000
          Re: Big integers jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2018-12-05 20:03 +0100
        Re: Big integers Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-12-05 13:46 -0800
          Re: Big integers jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2018-12-06 06:41 +0100
            Re: Big integers Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-12-05 22:40 -0800
  Re: Big integers "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-04 09:08 -0800
    Re: Big integers Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-12-04 19:41 +0000
      Re: Big integers "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-04 12:00 -0800
    Re: Big integers Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-12-08 11:28 +0000
  Re: Big integers Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2018-12-05 15:19 +1300
    Re: Big integers Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-12-05 11:58 +0000
      Re: Big integers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-12-05 14:35 +0100
        Re: Big integers Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-12-05 14:35 +0000
          Re: Big integers Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-12-05 07:39 -0800
            Re: Big integers Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2018-12-05 07:45 -0800
              Re: Big integers Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-12-05 17:51 +0000
                Re: Big integers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-12-05 22:19 +0100
              Re: Big integers "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-12-05 14:55 -0800
                Re: Big integers jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu - 2018-12-05 15:19 -0800
                Re: Big integers "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-12-05 16:13 -0800
                Re: Big integers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-12-06 09:35 +0100
                Re: Big integers "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-12-07 14:26 -0800
                Re: Big integers "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-12-07 19:56 -0800
                Re: Big integers James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2018-12-09 12:01 -0500
                Re: Big integers "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-12-10 14:47 -0800
                Re: Big integers scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-12-11 00:50 +0000
                Re: Big integers "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-12-10 17:37 -0800
                Re: Big integers "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-12-14 21:18 -0800
          Re: Big integers Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2018-12-05 07:57 -0800
          Re: Big integers Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-12-05 15:59 +0000
            Re: Big integers Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-12-05 22:59 +0000
              Re: Big integers jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu - 2018-12-05 15:31 -0800
                Re: Big integers Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2018-12-05 20:03 -0600
              Re: Big integers scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-12-05 23:42 +0000
                Re: Big integers James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2018-12-05 20:15 -0500
              Re: Big integers Ike Naar <ike@iceland.freeshell.org> - 2018-12-10 07:26 +0000
                Re: Big integers Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-12-10 18:38 +0000
                Re: Big integers scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-12-10 19:10 +0000
                Re: Big integers Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-12-10 21:23 +0000
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        Re: Big integers Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-12-06 13:43 +0000
          Re: Big integers Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2018-12-06 07:50 -0800
      Re: Big integers Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-12-05 15:19 +0000
        Re: Big integers luser droog <luser.droog@gmail.com> - 2018-12-10 23:19 -0800
          Re: Big integers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-12-11 08:45 +0100
            Re: Big integers Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-12-11 11:15 +0000
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      Re: Big integers Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2018-12-06 08:10 +1300
        Re: Big integers Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-12-05 20:57 +0000
          Re: Big integers Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2018-12-06 10:16 +1300
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              Re: Big integers scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-12-05 23:44 +0000
  Re: Big integers Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2018-12-05 02:51 -0600
  Re: Big integers antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl - 2018-12-07 15:26 +0000
    Re: Big integers Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-12-07 16:27 +0000
      Re: Big integers scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-12-07 16:36 +0000
        Re: Big integers Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-12-07 17:01 +0000
      Re: Big integers Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-12-07 17:55 +0000
      Re: Big integers antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl - 2018-12-07 19:26 +0000
        Re: Big integers Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-12-07 21:39 +0000
          Re: Big integers Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2018-12-08 10:51 +1300
  Re: Big integers Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2018-12-08 00:43 +0300
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    Re: Big integers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-12-08 15:13 +0100
      Re: Big integers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-12-08 15:15 +0100
        Re: Big integers Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-12-08 14:48 +0000
          Re: Big integers Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2018-12-10 05:10 -0800
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              Re: Big integers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-12-10 15:27 +0100
                Re: Big integers scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-12-10 15:59 +0000
                Re: Big integers antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl - 2018-12-11 21:14 +0000
            Re: Big integers Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-12-10 14:56 +0000
              Re: Big integers Ike Naar <ike@iceland.freeshell.org> - 2018-12-10 17:46 +0000
                Re: Big integers Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-12-10 18:24 +0000
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                Re: Big integers Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-12-10 21:44 +0000
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      Re: Big integers "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-12-08 15:52 -0800
  Re: Big integers Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-12-16 19:29 +0000
  Re: Big integers "Tristan B. Kildaire" <deavmi@disroot.org> - 2018-12-25 12:59 +0000
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