Re: Automatic strings without malloc

From	Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.c
Subject	Re: Automatic strings without malloc
Date	2021-11-18 11:27 -0800
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Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> writes:
> On Thursday, November 18, 2021 at 1:38:46 PM UTC-3, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>> Thiago Adams <thiago...@gmail.com> writes: 
>> 
>> > One problem of std::string tries to do two different jobs at the same 
>> > time using the same object. One job is "string builder" and a the 
>> > other "string holder" 
>> > 
>> > Using std::string as string holder is a waste of memory. For instance: 
>> > std::map<std::string, something> 
>> > Map doesn't want build string, it just need to hold a string.
>> Why would you write that if you wanted just to reference the strings? 
>> You'd use std::map<std::string &, something>, or similar. Your 
>> builder/holder distinction is unclear to me. 
>
> We can create a map<const char*, something> or create a small
> string class RAII for it. But this is a workaround and represents
> exceptions of usage and more rules. (when use/not to use std::string) 

Two const char* values can be unequal but refer to the same string value.

[...]

> On the other hand, if you have a string just to hold a string (like
> char*) this is enough for a key in a map and we will never need
> concatenated etc this object after its creation.  So it is waste of
> memory. Even size is not necessary in this case.

A char* value doesn't *hold* a string, it *refers to* a string.  And a C
string, unlike a C++ std::string, cannot contain null characters (which
may well be perfectly ok for most applications).

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Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com
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Automatic strings without malloc pozz <pozzugno@gmail.com> - 2021-11-17 11:36 +0100
  Re: Automatic strings without malloc pozz <pozzugno@gmail.com> - 2021-11-17 11:38 +0100
  Re: Automatic strings without malloc Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2021-11-17 03:00 -0800
  Re: Automatic strings without malloc David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-11-17 12:04 +0100
    Re: Automatic strings without malloc Manfred <noname@add.invalid> - 2021-11-17 18:19 +0100
      Re: Automatic strings without malloc David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-11-17 20:34 +0100
    Re: Automatic strings without malloc pozz <pozzugno@gmail.com> - 2021-11-18 10:07 +0100
  Re: Automatic strings without malloc Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2021-11-17 05:11 -0800
    Re: Automatic strings without malloc Philipp Klaus Krause <pkk@spth.de> - 2021-11-18 15:29 +0100
  Re: Automatic strings without malloc Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2021-11-17 13:47 +0000
  Re: Automatic strings without malloc scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-11-17 15:34 +0000
    Re: Automatic strings without malloc Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2021-11-17 07:36 -0800
      Re: Automatic strings without malloc David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-11-17 16:56 +0100
        Re: Automatic strings without malloc scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-11-17 18:21 +0000
          Re: Automatic strings without malloc David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-11-17 20:37 +0100
            Re: Automatic strings without malloc scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-11-17 21:35 +0000
              Re: Automatic strings without malloc Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2021-11-19 05:38 -0800
                Re: Automatic strings without malloc Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2021-11-19 07:13 -0800
            Re: Automatic strings without malloc William Ahern <william@25thandClement.com> - 2021-11-17 20:46 -0800
              Re: Automatic strings without malloc David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-11-18 10:50 +0100
                Re: Automatic strings without malloc Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2021-11-18 03:56 -0800
                Re: Automatic strings without malloc Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2021-11-18 05:54 -0800
                Re: Automatic strings without malloc Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2021-11-18 16:38 +0000
                Re: Automatic strings without malloc Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2021-11-18 10:52 -0800
                Re: Automatic strings without malloc Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2021-11-18 11:27 -0800
                Re: Automatic strings without malloc Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2021-11-18 20:41 +0000
                Re: Automatic strings without malloc David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-11-18 16:05 +0100
        Re: Automatic strings without malloc Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2021-11-17 11:22 -0800
          Re: Automatic strings without malloc David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-11-17 20:39 +0100
            Re: Automatic strings without malloc Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2021-11-17 15:18 -0800
              [OT] Generally... [Was: Automatic strings without malloc] Jeremy Brubaker <jbrubake@orionarts.invalid> - 2021-11-18 17:46 +0000
                Re: [OT] Generally... [Was: Automatic strings without malloc] Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2021-11-18 11:21 -0800
  Re: Automatic strings without malloc Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2021-11-17 11:14 -0800
    Re: Automatic strings without malloc pozz <pozzugno@gmail.com> - 2021-11-18 10:08 +0100
  Re: Automatic strings without malloc Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2021-11-18 12:25 -0800
    Re: Automatic strings without malloc David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-11-18 23:19 +0100
      Re: Automatic strings without malloc Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2021-11-18 17:22 -0800
        Re: Automatic strings without malloc Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2021-11-19 01:46 -0800
          Re: Automatic strings without malloc David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-11-19 17:29 +0100
        Re: Automatic strings without malloc David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-11-19 17:26 +0100
          Re: Automatic strings without malloc Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2021-11-19 09:00 -0800
            Re: Automatic strings without malloc David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-11-19 18:25 +0100
              Re: Automatic strings without malloc "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-11-19 14:58 -0800
            Re: Automatic strings without malloc Guillaume <message@bottle.org> - 2021-11-19 19:37 +0100
          Re: Automatic strings without malloc "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-11-19 12:34 -0800
            Re: Automatic strings without malloc Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2021-11-19 13:44 -0800
              Re: Automatic strings without malloc David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-11-20 13:30 +0100
                Re: Automatic strings without malloc luser droog <luser.droog@gmail.com> - 2021-11-20 20:49 -0800

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