Re: An enhancement

From	Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.c
Subject	Re: An enhancement
Date	2018-10-16 15:11 +0100
Organization	A noiseless patient Spider
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jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu writes:

> On Monday, October 15, 2018 at 10:02:43 PM UTC-4, David Kleinecke wrote:
> ...
>> I'm not sure anybody got my point. I'm not trying to
>> provide C with any new features or capabilities. I'm
>> trying to document conventional C code better.
>
> I would recommend, in the future, that if you're not proposing to add
> a new feature to C, that you avoid wording such as the following:
>
>> I want to propose an enhancement:
>>
>> Add to C the statement type
>>    DO identifier SEMICOLON
>> where the identifier is a label. The meaning is that
>> the statement just identified is replaced by the
>> statement following the label. 
>
> I have no idea how you reconcile, in your own head, that statement
> with your claim that you're not proposing a new feature for C, so
> I have no idea how to fix the wording to better match your intent.
> But that wording clearly suggests adds a new feature to C, a new
> statement type.

My initial response was going to be along these lines.  I have the same
tendency to take people very literally, but the OP's original wording
can be reconciled with the latest post.  He is only proposing that
blocks can be moved, labelled, and then "performed" using the "do"
keyword.  I think DK believes that this is simply organisational -- it
allows what, to him, is a more natural reading order for the code -- and
so introduces nothing that raises to the level of a "new feature" in his
mind.

It's a new feature in my mind, for sure, but you get a better debate
trying to work out what people really mean.

In fact, I suspect if DK thought through all the consequences he might
consider it a new feature too.  It's not at all obvious why this
proposal would ban these named blocks from "doing" each other, or even
themselves.  That would allow some very unusual code structures that are
not simply the result of moving code around to get a different reading
order.

-- 
Ben.

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An enhancement David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2018-10-08 15:44 -0700
  Re: An enhancement Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2018-10-09 11:48 +1300
    Re: An enhancement Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2018-10-08 23:16 +0000
  Re: An enhancement Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-10-09 00:30 +0100
    Re: An enhancement David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2018-10-08 17:24 -0700
      Re: An enhancement Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-10-09 02:12 +0100
        Re: An enhancement David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2018-10-08 22:42 -0700
          Re: An enhancement Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-10-09 14:41 +0100
        Re: An enhancement David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-09 11:15 +0200
          Re: An enhancement Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-10-09 16:09 +0100
            GCC nested functions: deprecated? (Was: An enhancement) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2018-10-09 15:36 +0000
            Re: An enhancement David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-09 21:01 +0200
        Re: An enhancement Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-09 11:43 +0100
          Re: An enhancement already5chosen@yahoo.com - 2018-10-09 04:08 -0700
            Re: An enhancement Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-09 12:29 +0100
  Re: An enhancement Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2018-10-08 23:37 +0000
    Re: An enhancement David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2018-10-08 17:22 -0700
      Re: An enhancement Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2018-10-09 13:30 +1300
      Re: An enhancement Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2018-10-09 05:23 +0000
        Re: An enhancement David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2018-10-08 22:50 -0700
        Re: An enhancement Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2018-10-09 08:28 -0400
      Re: An enhancement Wouter Verhelst <w@uter.be> - 2018-10-09 14:05 +0200
        C is often used as an "implementation language" for other languages.  (Was: An enhancement) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2018-10-09 13:13 +0000
          Re: C is often used as an "implementation language" for other languages.  (Was: An enhancement) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-09 16:51 +0200
        Re: An enhancement Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-09 14:17 +0100
      Re: An enhancement Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2018-10-09 05:20 -0700
        Re: An enhancement David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2018-10-09 11:33 -0700
          Re: An enhancement Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2018-10-09 13:41 -0700
    Re: An enhancement Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-09 12:35 +0100
  Re: An enhancement Wouter Verhelst <w@uter.be> - 2018-10-09 14:04 +0200
    Re: An enhancement Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2018-10-09 12:29 +0000
      Re: An enhancement Wouter Verhelst <w@uter.be> - 2018-10-09 19:50 +0200
      Re: An enhancement queequeg@trust.no1 (Queequeg) - 2018-10-15 09:19 +0000
        Re: An enhancement already5chosen@yahoo.com - 2018-10-15 03:07 -0700
          Re: An enhancement Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2018-10-15 23:18 +1300
            Re: An enhancement already5chosen@yahoo.com - 2018-10-15 03:39 -0700
              Re: An enhancement David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-15 13:03 +0200
                Re: An enhancement Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-15 12:15 +0100
                Re: An enhancement Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2018-10-15 05:20 -0700
                Re: An enhancement Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-10-15 15:39 +0100
                Re: An enhancement David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-15 14:36 +0200
                Re: An enhancement Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2018-10-15 05:59 -0700
                Re: An enhancement David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-15 15:08 +0200
                Re: An enhancement Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2018-10-15 07:25 -0700
                Re: An enhancement Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-10-15 15:44 +0100
                Re: An enhancement David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2018-10-15 19:02 -0700
                Re: An enhancement Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2018-10-16 05:55 +0000
                Re: An enhancement jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu - 2018-10-16 05:37 -0700
                Re: An enhancement Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-10-16 15:11 +0100
                Re: An enhancement David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2018-10-16 13:33 -0700
                Re: An enhancement David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2018-10-16 21:27 -0700
                Re: An enhancement Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-10-16 14:57 +0100
                Re: An enhancement scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-10-16 14:24 +0000
                Re: An enhancement mark.bluemel@gmail.com - 2018-10-16 07:28 -0700
                Re: An enhancement Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-16 15:25 +0100
            Re: An enhancement Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-15 11:44 +0100
              Re: An enhancement David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-15 13:08 +0200
          Re: An enhancement Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-10-15 11:22 +0100
            Re: An enhancement David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-10-15 13:01 +0200
              Re: An enhancement Nick Bowler <nbowler@draconx.ca> - 2018-10-15 14:43 +0000

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