Re: CAlive utility casks for arbitrary code injection as needed

From	Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.c
Subject	Re: CAlive utility casks for arbitrary code injection as needed
Date	2015-10-30 23:03 +0000
Organization	A noiseless patient Spider
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David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> writes:

> On 30/10/15 19:33, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>> Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> writes:
>>
>>> On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 4:32:55 PM UTC, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>>> On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 12:12:50 PM UTC-4, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>>>>> Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> writes:
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>> As far as I see it a cask is a) a reinvention of a lambda function [...]
>>>>>
>>>>> Lambda expressions have two main features: they can bind names, and they
>>>>> have a value which is a function.  I've seen no syntax that suggest
>>>>> casks can bind names,
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure what binding names means, but [|definition|] casks create
>>>> things at their location.
>>>>
>>> Lambda expressions take a snapshot of the names in scope. They can
>>> then be called outside of that environment, even if the function where
>>> the lambda was declared has gone out of scope.  So "cask" is a nice
>>> name for a lambda variant.
>>
>> They still appear to lack all the key attributes of a lambda (for
>> example Rick stated that they don't evaluate to function values).
>> Unless almost everything that is code fits your meaning of "lambda
>> variant" they don't seem to fit either.
>
> I think the point of the cask/lambda comparison is that many of the
> things that can be done with casks could be done with lambdas - not
> that casks can do all that lambdas can do.

That may well be true, but I was not commenting on a remark that lambdas
can do much or all of what casks can do, I was commenting on two remarks
said something else entirely: "a cask is [...] a reinvention of a
lambda" and "'cask' is a nice name for a lambda variant".  The first
appears to be flat-out wrong, and the second is only correct if "lambda
variant" is used to mean "small subset of a lambda's attributes".

<snip>
-- 
Ben.

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CAlive utility casks for arbitrary code injection as needed "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-29 12:10 -0700
  Re: CAlive utility casks for arbitrary code injection as needed Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-10-29 20:05 +0000
  Re: CAlive utility casks for arbitrary code injection as needed Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2015-10-29 14:36 -0700
    Re: CAlive utility casks for arbitrary code injection as needed asetofsymbols@gmail.com - 2015-10-29 14:55 -0700
    Re: CAlive utility casks for arbitrary code injection as needed "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-29 15:46 -0700
      Re: CAlive utility casks for arbitrary code injection as needed Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2015-10-29 18:17 -0700
  Re: CAlive utility casks for arbitrary code injection as needed Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-10-29 21:48 +0000
    Re: CAlive utility casks for arbitrary code injection as needed "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-29 16:00 -0700
      Re: CAlive utility casks for arbitrary code injection as needed Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-30 14:25 +1300
        Re: CAlive utility casks for arbitrary code injection as needed "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-29 18:41 -0700
          Re: CAlive utility casks for arbitrary code injection as needed Philip Lantz <prl@canterey.us> - 2015-10-29 21:51 -0700
            Re: CAlive utility casks for arbitrary code injection as needed gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2015-10-30 13:07 +0000
              Re: CAlive utility casks for arbitrary code injection as needed Philip Lantz <prl@canterey.us> - 2015-11-01 11:45 -0800
          Re: CAlive utility casks for arbitrary code injection as needed Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-30 20:34 +1300
            Re: CAlive utility casks for arbitrary code injection as needed Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-30 02:09 -0700
              Re: CAlive utility casks for arbitrary code injection as needed David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-10-30 11:12 +0100
                Re: CAlive utility casks for arbitrary code injection as needed Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-10-30 12:03 +0000
                Re: CAlive utility casks for arbitrary code injection as needed gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2015-10-30 13:16 +0000
                Re: CAlive utility casks for arbitrary code injection as needed David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-10-30 14:22 +0100
                Re: CAlive utility casks for arbitrary code injection as needed Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-30 08:54 -0700
                Re: CAlive utility casks for arbitrary code injection as needed Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-10-30 16:12 +0000
                Re: CAlive utility casks for arbitrary code injection as needed "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-30 09:32 -0700
                Re: CAlive utility casks for arbitrary code injection as needed Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-30 09:57 -0700
                Re: CAlive utility casks for arbitrary code injection as needed "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-30 10:16 -0700
                Re: CAlive utility casks for arbitrary code injection as needed Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-10-30 18:33 +0000
                Re: CAlive utility casks for arbitrary code injection as needed David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-10-30 22:28 +0100
                Re: CAlive utility casks for arbitrary code injection as needed Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-10-30 23:03 +0000
                Re: CAlive utility casks for arbitrary code injection as needed Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-31 01:35 -0700
                Re: CAlive utility casks for arbitrary code injection as needed Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-10-31 11:39 +0000
                Re: CAlive utility casks for arbitrary code injection as needed Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-31 12:04 -0700
                Re: CAlive utility casks for arbitrary code injection as needed "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 17:56 -0700
                Re: CAlive utility casks for arbitrary code injection as needed Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-11-01 03:06 -0800
                Re: CAlive utility casks for arbitrary code injection as needed "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-30 09:28 -0700
            Re: CAlive utility casks for arbitrary code injection as needed "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-30 04:24 -0700
              Re: CAlive utility casks for arbitrary code injection as needed David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-10-30 13:04 +0100
                Re: CAlive utility casks for arbitrary code injection as needed "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-30 06:18 -0700
                Re: CAlive utility casks for arbitrary code injection as needed David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-10-30 16:23 +0100
                Re: CAlive utility casks for arbitrary code injection as needed "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-30 09:25 -0700
                Re: CAlive utility casks for arbitrary code injection as needed gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2015-10-30 16:47 +0000
                Re: CAlive utility casks for arbitrary code injection as needed "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-30 10:13 -0700
                Re: CAlive utility casks for arbitrary code injection as needed "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-30 10:56 -0700
                Re: CAlive utility casks for arbitrary code injection as needed David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-10-31 17:04 +0100
                Re: CAlive utility casks for arbitrary code injection as needed "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 09:48 -0700
                Re: CAlive utility casks for arbitrary code injection as needed gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2015-10-31 17:51 +0000
                Re: CAlive utility casks for arbitrary code injection as needed David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-11-01 00:10 +0100
                Re: CAlive utility casks for arbitrary code injection as needed "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 17:11 -0700
                Re: CAlive utility casks for arbitrary code injection as needed David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-11-01 15:24 +0100
                Re: CAlive utility casks for arbitrary code injection as needed "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-01 06:37 -0800
                Re: CAlive utility casks for arbitrary code injection as needed David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-11-01 21:21 +0100
                Re: CAlive utility casks for arbitrary code injection as needed "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-01 16:39 -0800
                Re: CAlive utility casks for arbitrary code injection as needed David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-11-02 02:02 +0100
                Re: CAlive utility casks for arbitrary code injection as needed "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-01 17:17 -0800
        Re: CAlive utility casks for arbitrary code injection as needed raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-11-02 14:24 +0000
        Re: CAlive utility casks for arbitrary code injection as needed "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 07:46 -0800
          Re: CAlive utility casks for arbitrary code injection as needed gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2015-11-02 16:30 +0000
            Re: CAlive utility casks for arbitrary code injection as needed "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 08:46 -0800
          Re: CAlive utility casks for arbitrary code injection as needed Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2015-11-02 12:20 -0600
            Re: CAlive utility casks for arbitrary code injection as needed "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 10:23 -0800
            Re: CAlive utility casks for arbitrary code injection as needed David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-11-02 20:17 +0100
      Re: CAlive utility casks for arbitrary code injection as needed Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-10-30 01:32 +0000
        Re: CAlive utility casks for arbitrary code injection as needed "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-29 18:59 -0700
          Re: CAlive utility casks for arbitrary code injection as needed Philip Lantz <prl@canterey.us> - 2015-10-29 21:55 -0700
            Re: CAlive utility casks for arbitrary code injection as needed gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2015-10-30 13:10 +0000
              Re: CAlive utility casks for arbitrary code injection as needed Philip Lantz <prl@canterey.us> - 2015-11-01 11:45 -0800
          Re: CAlive utility casks for arbitrary code injection as needed Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-10-30 10:55 +0000
  Re: CAlive utility casks for arbitrary code injection as needed Philip Lantz <prl@canterey.us> - 2015-10-29 22:00 -0700
    Re: CAlive utility casks for arbitrary code injection as needed "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-30 04:01 -0700

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