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Re: Remembering C's operator precedence rules

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Bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes:

> On 13/03/2019 17:11, Tim Rentsch wrote:
>
>> Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> writes:
>>
>>> By the time you've got 15 levels for 49 operators, any sane
>>> programmer will be putting in some extra parentheses here and
>>> there
>>
>> Sure, if there is no particular structure to the levels and
>> which operators go where.  In C there is quite a bit of
>> structure (and at the risk of repeating myself, there are
>> better ways to indicate grouping than using parentheses).
>>
>>> [...], and if I don't remember for sure in my own code
>>
>> It isn't hard to remember if one makes an effort to learn.
>> Fifteen to thiry minutes, tops, and that's a one-time cost.
>>
>>> it probably isn't fair to expect someone coming along later
>>> (possibly even me under a full moon) to have the same intuition.
>>
>> This is a circular pattern.  We expect people won't remember, and
>> because they aren't expected to learn and remember they don't learn
>> and remember, and since they don't we have low expectations...
>> and the cycle continues.  We should reverse the direction of the
>> cycle.
>
> People want to write code so that it is clear to everyone
> else.  Including those more used to other languages which have
> different precedences.  [...]

Yes, some people have all sorts of idiotic ideas.  They are
welcome to think what they like, as long as they don't try
to force their ideas on people who don't want them.

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Remembering C's operator precedence rules Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-03-09 16:53 +0000
  Re: Remembering C's operator precedence rules Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2019-03-09 15:21 -0500
    Re: Remembering C's operator precedence rules Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-03-09 21:41 +0000
  Re: Remembering C's operator precedence rules Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2019-03-09 12:32 -0800
    Re: Remembering C's operator precedence rules Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-03-09 21:21 +0000
      Re: Remembering C's operator precedence rules Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2019-03-09 16:42 -0500
        Re: Remembering C's operator precedence rules "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2019-03-09 14:01 -0800
      Re: Remembering C's operator precedence rules Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2019-03-09 14:17 -0800
        Re: Remembering C's operator precedence rules Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-03-10 00:42 +0000
  Re: Remembering C's operator precedence rules Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2019-03-09 13:54 -0700
    Re: Remembering C's operator precedence rules Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-03-09 21:37 +0000
      Re: Remembering C's operator precedence rules Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-03-09 22:01 +0000
      Re: Remembering C's operator precedence rules Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2019-03-09 18:59 -0500
        Re: Remembering C's operator precedence rules Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2019-03-13 09:26 -0700
    Re: Remembering C's operator precedence rules Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2019-03-13 10:11 -0700
      Re: Remembering C's operator precedence rules Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-03-13 17:40 +0000
        Re: Remembering C's operator precedence rules Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2019-03-13 15:24 -0700
          Re: Remembering C's operator precedence rules Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-03-13 23:43 +0000
            Re: Remembering C's operator precedence rules Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2019-03-13 17:43 -0700
        Re: Remembering C's operator precedence rules Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2019-03-18 08:53 -0700
      Re: Remembering C's operator precedence rules Wouter Verhelst <w@uter.be> - 2019-03-13 22:24 +0200
        Re: Remembering C's operator precedence rules Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2019-03-13 14:06 -0700
        Re: Remembering C's operator precedence rules Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2019-03-14 14:28 +1300
          Re: Remembering C's operator precedence rules scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2019-03-14 13:35 +0000
            Re: Remembering C's operator precedence rules Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2019-03-14 06:55 -0700
            Re: Remembering C's operator precedence rules Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-03-14 16:39 +0000
              Re: Remembering C's operator precedence rules scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2019-03-14 17:37 +0000
                Re: Remembering C's operator precedence rules Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-03-14 20:42 +0000
              Re: Remembering C's operator precedence rules Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2019-03-14 10:42 -0700
                Re: Remembering C's operator precedence rules Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-03-14 23:08 +0000
                Re: Remembering C's operator precedence rules Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2019-03-15 02:53 -0700
                Re: Remembering C's operator precedence rules Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2019-03-15 17:52 -0600
  Re: Remembering C's operator precedence rules Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2019-03-13 12:56 -0700
  Re: Remembering C's operator precedence rules Jens Stuckelberger <Jens_Stuckelberger@nowhere.net> - 2019-03-13 20:14 +0000
  Re: Remembering C's operator precedence rules fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2019-03-19 14:17 -0700

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