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Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs

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Tim Rentsch wrote:
> 
> pete <pfiland@mindspring.com> writes:
> 
> > John Reye wrote:
> >>
> >> 1)
> >>                   a[i] = i++;
> >>
> >> http://c-faq.com/expr/evalorder1.html
> >>
> >> So this attempt at optimisation is wrong:
> >>
> >>                   int i;
> >>                   int a[10];
> >>                   for (i = 0; i < sizeof(a); )
> >>                      a[i] = i++;       /* set a to {1, 2, 3, ...} */
> >>
> >> Correctly optimized, it should be:
> >>                   for (i = 0; i < sizeof(a); )
> >>                      i = a[i] = i+1;   /* set a to {1, 2, 3, ...} */
> >
> > No. That's wrong.
> > Concerning
> >     i = a[i] = i+1;
> > Assignment, is not a sequence point.
> > The above code does not say whether the value of (i+1)
> > is stored first in (a[i]) or in (i).  [snip alternative]
> 
> The behavior of
> 
>     i = a[i] = i+1;
> 
> is well-defined.  I refer you to 6.5.16 p3 in N1570, specifically
> the second-to-last sentence.  By the time the store into 'i'
> commences, the value (lvalue) computation of 'a[i]' has already
> completed, because it is sequenced before delivering the value
> to be stored into 'i'.
> 
> The stores to 'i' and 'a[i]' may happen in any order, but the
> lvalue 'a[i]' must be determined before any store into 'i'.

I don't see where it says what you say that it says.

Concerning (a[i] = i+1),
"the value of the left operand after the assignment"
can be determined before the assignment
and without knowing which array element a[i] refers to.

You don't have to know which array element a[i] refers to,
to know 
what the value of (i+1) converted to whichever type (a[i]) has, 
is.

n1570
6.5.16 Assignment operators
Semantics
3 An assignment operator stores a value 
  in the object designated by the left operand. 
  An assignment expression has 
  the value of the left operand after the assignment,111) 
  but is not an lvalue. 
  The type of an assignment expression 
  is the type the left operand would have after lvalue conversion. 
  The side effect of updating the stored value of the left operand 
  is sequenced after the value computations of the left 
  and right operands. 
  The evaluations of the operands are unsequenced.

-- 
pete

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List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs John Reye <jononanon@googlemail.com> - 2012-05-03 10:04 -0700
  Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs jt@toerring.de (Jens Thoms Toerring) - 2012-05-03 17:38 +0000
    Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs John Reye <jononanon@googlemail.com> - 2012-05-03 10:50 -0700
      Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs Ben Pfaff <blp@cs.stanford.edu> - 2012-05-03 11:09 -0700
        Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs John Reye <jononanon@googlemail.com> - 2012-05-03 11:18 -0700
          Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs Ben Pfaff <blp@cs.stanford.edu> - 2012-05-03 11:24 -0700
            Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs John Reye <jononanon@googlemail.com> - 2012-05-03 11:35 -0700
              Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs John Reye <jononanon@googlemail.com> - 2012-05-03 11:56 -0700
              Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs Ben Pfaff <blp@cs.stanford.edu> - 2012-05-03 12:16 -0700
                Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs John Reye <jononanon@googlemail.com> - 2012-05-03 12:20 -0700
                Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-05-03 12:39 -0700
          Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-05-07 17:51 -0700
            Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs "Joachim Schmitz" <nospam.jojo@schmitz-digital.de> - 2012-05-08 09:10 +0200
              Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-05-08 05:31 -0700
      Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs jt@toerring.de (Jens Thoms Toerring) - 2012-05-03 18:11 +0000
        Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs John Reye <jononanon@googlemail.com> - 2012-05-03 11:29 -0700
          Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs jt@toerring.de (Jens Thoms Toerring) - 2012-05-03 19:19 +0000
            Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs John Reye <jononanon@googlemail.com> - 2012-05-03 13:31 -0700
              Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs John Reye <jononanon@googlemail.com> - 2012-05-03 14:18 -0700
                Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs John Reye <jononanon@googlemail.com> - 2012-05-03 15:20 -0700
            Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs Nobody <nobody@nowhere.com> - 2012-05-04 01:47 +0100
      Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-05-07 17:47 -0700
    Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-05-07 17:45 -0700
      Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com - 2012-05-08 00:43 -0700
        Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-05-08 06:17 -0700
  Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-05-03 12:46 -0700
    Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs John Reye <jononanon@googlemail.com> - 2012-05-03 13:35 -0700
      Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs Ben Pfaff <blp@cs.stanford.edu> - 2012-05-03 14:05 -0700
        Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs John Reye <jononanon@googlemail.com> - 2012-05-03 14:11 -0700
          Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs Ben Pfaff <blp@cs.stanford.edu> - 2012-05-03 15:02 -0700
            Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-05-07 18:10 -0700
              Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com - 2012-05-08 00:49 -0700
                Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-05-08 06:37 -0400
                Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-05-08 07:49 -0700
                Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-05-08 07:25 -0700
              Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs Ben Pfaff <blp@cs.stanford.edu> - 2012-05-08 09:46 -0700
          Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-05-03 18:24 -0400
            Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-05-07 18:24 -0700
      Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs jt@toerring.de (Jens Thoms Toerring) - 2012-05-03 21:17 +0000
        Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-05-07 18:28 -0700
      Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-05-03 15:54 -0700
      Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs Old Wolf <oldwolf@inspire.net.nz> - 2012-05-06 22:32 -0700
        Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-05-07 08:26 +0200
        Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-05-07 18:31 -0700
    Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-05-03 23:18 +0200
      Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-05-03 15:58 -0700
  Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs pete <pfiland@mindspring.com> - 2012-05-04 00:25 -0400
    Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs John Reye <jononanon@googlemail.com> - 2012-05-03 22:28 -0700
      Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-05-04 07:33 -0400
        Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-05-07 19:20 -0700
      Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-05-07 18:50 -0700
    Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-05-07 18:42 -0700
      Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs pete <pfiland@mindspring.com> - 2012-05-07 23:45 -0400
        Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-05-07 23:01 -0700
          Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs pete <pfiland@mindspring.com> - 2012-05-08 06:28 -0400
            Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs pete <pfiland@mindspring.com> - 2012-05-08 06:37 -0400
              Re: List of undefined behaviour and other sneeky bugs Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-05-08 06:19 -0700

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