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Re: what is the right value about a = a++;

From James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c
Subject Re: what is the right value about a = a++;
Date 2012-02-10 11:07 -0500
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On 02/10/2012 08:12 AM, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
> James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> writes:
> 
>> On 02/10/2012 04:11 AM, Richard Harter wrote:
>>> On Thu, 09 Feb 2012 23:10:46 -0500, James Kuyper
>>> <jameskuyper@verizon.net> wrote:
>> ...
>>>> "What they thought was best" is not, in general, the same as "What
>>>> pleased them most". 
>>>
>>> Stop right there. "whatever they pleased" and "What pleased them most"
>>> are two different things. 
>>
>> True - and yet, if you took every occurrence of "what pleased them
>> most", or variations of the same, from my message, and replace it with a
>> corresponding variation on "whatever they pleased", the message would
>> remain equally true.
> 
> I can't make that work.  Your usage emphasises (explicitly) the idea of
> pleasure being involved, and that is surely the difference Richard
> Harter is pointing out.  "What pleased them most" is about pleasure and
> gratification, but "whatever they please" is about having "the will or
> desire; to have the inclination or disposition; to think proper; to
> choose" (though having pleasure in the result is not excluded, of
> course).

I think that any interpretation of "whatever they please" that doesn't
connect to the concept of pleasure is somewhat odd, but it's not really
a problem for what I was saying. The key point of what I wrote was that
"whatever they please" is different from "what they thought was best";
the details of how they differ are less important than the fact of a
difference.

It's not exactly an unusual thing for people to have the will, desire,
inclination or disposition to do something other than what they think is
best.  It's not even usual for people to actually choose to do something
other than what they think best.

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what is the right value about  a = a++; lujnan <lujnan@gmail.com> - 2012-02-06 00:10 -0800
  Re: what is the right value about a = a++; Ruben Mikkonen <camu.umac@gmail.com> - 2012-02-06 00:28 -0800
    Re: what is the right value about a = a++; Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-02-06 21:27 -0800
      Re: what is the right value about a = a++; Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2012-02-06 22:39 -0700
  Re: what is the right value about  a = a++; bert <bert.hutchings@btinternet.com> - 2012-02-06 01:45 -0800
    Re: what is the right value about a = a++; lujnan <lujnan@gmail.com> - 2012-02-06 02:33 -0800
      Re: what is the right value about a = a++; "christian.bau" <christian.bau@cbau.wanadoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-06 14:57 -0800
      Re: what is the right value about a = a++; Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2012-02-06 22:50 -0800
        Re: what is the right value about a = a++; Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2012-02-07 08:15 +0000
          Re: what is the right value about a = a++; lujnan <lujnan@gmail.com> - 2012-02-07 00:31 -0800
            Re: what is the right value about a = a++; Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-02-07 09:07 -0800
              Re: what is the right value about a = a++; Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2012-02-07 17:31 +0000
                Re: what is the right value about a = a++; Joshua Maurice <joshuamaurice@gmail.com> - 2012-02-09 17:50 -0800
                Re: what is the right value about a = a++; Phil Carmody <thefatphil_demunged@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-21 23:42 +0200
                Re: what is the right value about a = a++; Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2012-02-22 04:28 +0000
                Re: what is the right value about a = a++; Phil Carmody <thefatphil_demunged@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-25 00:01 +0200
                Re: what is the right value about a = a++; Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2012-02-25 02:25 -0500
                Re: what is the right value about a = a++; Ike Naar <ike@iceland.freeshell.org> - 2012-02-25 09:00 +0000
                Re: what is the right value about a = a++; Philip Lantz <prl@canterey.us> - 2012-02-25 11:13 -0800
                Re: what is the right value about a = a++; cri@tiac.net (Richard Harter) - 2012-02-25 19:34 +0000
                Re: what is the right value about a = a++; Kenneth Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2012-02-25 16:51 -0500
                Re: what is the right value about a = a++; lawrence.jones@siemens.com - 2012-02-27 16:12 -0500
                Re: what is the right value about a = a++; Ike Naar <ike@iceland.freeshell.org> - 2012-02-27 22:42 +0000
                Re: what is the right value about a = a++; Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2012-02-27 18:54 -0500
            Re: what is the right value about a = a++; Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2012-02-07 09:26 -0800
          Re: what is the right value about a = a++; Kenneth Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2012-02-07 15:12 -0500
            Re: what is the right value about a = a++; cri@tiac.net (Richard Harter) - 2012-02-07 21:50 +0000
              Re: what is the right value about a = a++; Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2012-02-07 16:51 -0600
                Re: what is the right value about a = a++; Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2012-02-07 22:49 -0600
                Re: what is the right value about a = a++; Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2012-02-08 14:08 -0600
                Re: what is the right value about a = a++; Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2012-02-09 00:18 +0000
                Re: what is the right value about a = a++; Kenneth Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2012-02-09 13:06 -0500
                Re: what is the right value about a = a++; Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2012-02-09 13:58 -0600
                Re: what is the right value about a = a++; Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2012-02-09 23:52 +0000
                Re: what is the right value about a = a++; jgk@panix.com (Joe keane) - 2012-02-10 21:45 +0000
                Re: what is the right value about a = a++; Phil Carmody <thefatphil_demunged@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-22 00:09 +0200
                Re: what is the right value about a = a++; Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2012-02-08 22:35 -0600
                Re: what is the right value about a = a++; Kenneth Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2012-02-08 15:42 -0500
                Re: what is the right value about a = a++; cri@tiac.net (Richard Harter) - 2012-02-08 14:47 +0000
                Re: what is the right value about a = a++; Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2012-02-08 14:29 -0600
                Re: what is the right value about a = a++; cri@tiac.net (Richard Harter) - 2012-02-10 02:27 +0000
                Re: what is the right value about a = a++; James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-02-09 23:10 -0500
                Re: what is the right value about a = a++; cri@tiac.net (Richard Harter) - 2012-02-10 09:11 +0000
                Re: what is the right value about a = a++; James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-02-10 07:26 -0500
                Re: what is the right value about a = a++; Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-02-10 13:12 +0000
                Re: what is the right value about a = a++; James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-02-10 11:07 -0500
                Re: what is the right value about a = a++; cri@tiac.net (Richard Harter) - 2012-02-10 16:27 +0000
                Re: what is the right value about a = a++; James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-02-10 12:17 -0500
                Re: what is the right value about a = a++; Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2012-02-10 12:09 -0600
                Re: what is the right value about a = a++; Kenneth Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2012-02-10 18:17 -0500
                Re: what is the right value about a = a++; Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2012-02-11 10:15 +0000
                Re: what is the right value about a = a++; Kenneth Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2012-02-13 16:04 -0500
                Re: what is the right value about a = a++; Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2012-02-10 12:30 -0600
                Re: what is the right value about a = a++; Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2012-02-09 21:30 -0500
                Re: what is the right value about a = a++; cri@tiac.net (Richard Harter) - 2012-02-10 02:48 +0000
                Re: what is the right value about a = a++; Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2012-02-10 09:49 +0000
                Re: what is the right value about a = a++; Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2012-02-09 00:15 +0000
                Re: what is the right value about a = a++; Kenneth Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2012-02-09 12:49 -0500
                Re: what is the right value about a = a++; Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2012-02-09 23:51 +0000
              Re: what is the right value about a = a++; Kenneth Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2012-02-08 15:39 -0500
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                Re: what is the right value about a = a++; Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-02-10 16:58 +0100
                Re: what is the right value about a = a++; Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2012-02-10 23:32 +0000
                Re: what is the right value about a = a++; John Bode <jfbode1029@gmail.com> - 2012-02-08 17:41 -0800
                Re: what is the right value about a = a++; James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-02-08 22:25 -0500
                Re: what is the right value about a = a++; Kenneth Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2012-02-09 13:15 -0500
                Re: what is the right value about a = a++; Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2012-02-09 23:57 +0000
                Re: what is the right value about a = a++; Kenneth Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2012-02-10 11:15 -0500
                Re: what is the right value about a = a++; Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2012-02-10 11:58 -0600
                Re: what is the right value about a = a++; Kenneth Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2012-02-10 18:14 -0500
                Re: what is the right value about a = a++; Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-02-10 22:43 +0000
                Re: what is the right value about a = a++; Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2012-02-10 11:53 -0600
                Re: what is the right value about a = a++; Joshua Maurice <joshuamaurice@gmail.com> - 2012-02-10 15:19 -0800
                Re: what is the right value about a = a++; cri@tiac.net (Richard Harter) - 2012-02-10 02:32 +0000
                Re: what is the right value about a = a++; James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-02-09 23:13 -0500
                Re: what is the right value about a = a++; cri@tiac.net (Richard Harter) - 2012-02-10 09:34 +0000
                Re: what is the right value about a = a++; James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-02-10 07:32 -0500
                Re: what is the right value about a = a++; Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2012-02-10 22:24 +0000
                Re: what is the right value about a = a++; Kenneth Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2012-02-10 11:35 -0500
                Re: what is the right value about a = a++; James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-02-10 12:23 -0500
              Re: what is the right value about a = a++; falk@rahul.net (Edward A. Falk) - 2012-02-08 20:40 +0000
                Re: what is the right value about a = a++; Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-02-08 15:00 -0800
                Re: what is the right value about a = a++; Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2012-02-09 01:10 +0000
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                Re: what is the right value about a = a++; cri@tiac.net (Richard Harter) - 2012-02-10 02:40 +0000
                Re: what is the right value about a = a++; James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-02-09 23:17 -0500
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            Re: what is the right value about a = a++; Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2012-02-08 23:42 +0000
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      Re: what is the right value about a = a++; James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-02-07 07:42 -0500
        Re: what is the right value about a = a++; Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2012-02-07 17:21 +0000
          Re: what is the right value about a = a++; Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2012-02-07 15:24 -0600
            Re: what is the right value about a = a++; Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2012-02-09 01:27 +0000
              Re: what is the right value about a = a++; Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2012-02-10 21:57 -0600
      Re: what is the right value about a = a++; "Joel C. Salomon" <joelcsalomon@gmail.com> - 2012-02-08 01:00 -0500
      Re: what is the right value about a = a++; falk@rahul.net (Edward A. Falk) - 2012-02-08 20:33 +0000
        Re: what is the right value about a = a++; Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2012-02-09 02:05 +0000
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        Re: what is the right value about  a = a++; Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2012-02-10 00:03 -0500
        Re: what is the right value about  a = a++; Philip Lantz <prl@canterey.us> - 2012-02-10 01:15 -0800
      Re: what is the right value about  a = a++; Kenneth Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2012-02-09 13:22 -0500
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      Re: what is the right value about a = a++; Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2012-02-07 15:19 -0600
        Re: what is the right value about a = a++; James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-02-07 17:00 -0500
          Re: what is the right value about a = a++; Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2012-02-10 12:05 -0600
            Re: what is the right value about a = a++; James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-02-10 13:46 -0500
  Re: what is the right value about  a = a++; Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2012-02-06 22:37 -0700
    Re: what is the right value about  a = a++; Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2012-02-07 07:22 +0000
  Re: what is the right value about  a = a++; Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2012-02-07 01:18 -0500

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