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Re: 'Leap Second' to Be Added on New Year's Eve This Year

From Kaz Kylheku <221-501-9011@kylheku.com>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c, comp.programming
Subject Re: 'Leap Second' to Be Added on New Year's Eve This Year
Followup-To comp.programming
Date 2017-01-08 06:16 +0000
Organization Aioe.org NNTP Server
Message-ID <20170107221219.331@kylheku.com> (permalink)
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On 2017-01-08, James R. Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> wrote:
> On 01/07/2017 05:57 PM, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
>> On 2017-01-07, Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> wrote:
>>> On 01/04/2017 04:32 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
>>>> On 01/04/2017 11:34 AM, James R. Kuyper wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> As an
>>>>> atheist, I certainly deny that Christ was divine, or even divinely
>>>>> inspired.
>>>>
>>>> I don't deny that Christ was divine. I can't, considering that both
>>>> "Christ" and "divine" are only religious words which have no meaning
>>>> outside that belief system. The words would have to MEAN SOMETHING for
>>>> that to be denied.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Just because you don't believe in the concepts that they
>>> refer to doesn't mean they have no meaning.
>>> You know exactly what they refer to so they even have
>>> meaning to you.
>>
>> "outside that belief system"
>
> Noted, and rejected: you don't have to share someone's belief in 
> something in order to understand the meaning of that belief well enough 
> to say "I don't believe in that". It's not that "Christ" and "divine" 
> don't have meaning to non-believers. They do have a meaning; what they 
> lack, in the opinion of the non-believer, is a referent.

They have a meaning inside the belief system. Thinking inside the
belief system to grok the meaning doesn't require one to be a believer.

>> I know what that refers to because I'm able to put myself
>> into that scope.
>
> You should also be able to put yourself in the scope of understanding 
> the meaning of religious beliefs that you don't share, despite the fact 
> that you don't share them.

Bingo.

However, that meaning consists of connections entirely inside that
system.

The only connection between those words and the real world is that they
are related to certain ritualistic behaviors, and cultural artifacts.

Those connections are self-referential.

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'Leap Second' to Be Added on New Year's Eve This Year "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-12-22 21:43 +0800
  Re: 'Leap Second' to Be Added on New Year's Eve This Year Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-22 05:48 -0800
    Re: 'Leap Second' to Be Added on New Year's Eve This Year "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-12-22 22:09 +0800
    Re: 'Leap Second' to Be Added on New Year's Eve This Year Krzysztof Mitko <invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> - 2016-12-24 13:47 +0100
      Re: 'Leap Second' to Be Added on New Year's Eve This Year Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-24 05:39 -0800
  Re: 'Leap Second' to Be Added on New Year's Eve This Year Mark Lloyd <not@mail.invalid> - 2016-12-22 14:31 -0600
    Re: 'Leap Second' to Be Added on New Year's Eve This Year Mark Storkamp <mstorkamp@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-23 08:34 -0600
      Re: 'Leap Second' to Be Added on New Year's Eve This Year "J-P. Rosen" <rosen@adalog.fr> - 2016-12-23 16:55 +0100
      Re: 'Leap Second' to Be Added on New Year's Eve This Year Ken Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2016-12-30 11:17 -0500
        Re: 'Leap Second' to Be Added on New Year's Eve This Year Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-12-30 09:38 -0800
          Re: 'Leap Second' to Be Added on New Year's Eve This Year hah <hah@no.email.stupid.invalid> - 2016-12-30 15:59 -0600
        Re: 'Leap Second' to Be Added on New Year's Eve This Year Mark Lloyd <not@mail.invalid> - 2016-12-30 15:47 -0600
        Re: 'Leap Second' to Be Added on New Year's Eve This Year Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2016-12-30 15:14 -0700
          Re: 'Leap Second' to Be Added on New Year's Eve This Year Kaz Kylheku <221-501-9011@kylheku.com> - 2016-12-30 23:26 +0000
    Re: 'Leap Second' to Be Added on New Year's Eve This Year "James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2017-01-03 20:46 -0500
  Re: 'Leap Second' to Be Added on New Year's Eve This Year Jason <jason_warren@ieee.DELETE.org> - 2016-12-22 17:14 -0500
    Re: 'Leap Second' to Be Added on New Year's Eve This Year "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-12-22 14:38 -0800
    Re: 'Leap Second' to Be Added on New Year's Eve This Year "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2016-12-22 17:40 -0500
      Re: 'Leap Second' to Be Added on New Year's Eve This Year Jason <jason_warren@ieee.org> - 2016-12-23 19:57 -0500
        Re: 'Leap Second' to Be Added on New Year's Eve This Year Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2016-12-23 21:44 -0600
          Re: 'Leap Second' to Be Added on New Year's Eve This Year "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2016-12-31 23:42 +0000
    Re: 'Leap Second' to Be Added on New Year's Eve This Year Ken Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2016-12-30 11:16 -0500
      Re: 'Leap Second' to Be Added on New Year's Eve This Year Mark Lloyd <not@mail.invalid> - 2016-12-30 15:58 -0600
        Re: 'Leap Second' to Be Added on New Year's Eve This Year Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-12-30 14:37 -0800
          Re: 'Leap Second' to Be Added on New Year's Eve This Year Mark Lloyd <not@mail.invalid> - 2016-12-30 19:16 -0600
            Re: 'Leap Second' to Be Added on New Year's Eve This Year Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-12-30 17:48 -0800
              Re: 'Leap Second' to Be Added on New Year's Eve This Year Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2016-12-31 10:08 +0000
              Re: 'Leap Second' to Be Added on New Year's Eve This Year Mark Lloyd <not@mail.invalid> - 2016-12-31 14:20 -0600
              Re: 'Leap Second' to Be Added on New Year's Eve This Year Mark Lloyd <not@mail.invalid> - 2016-12-31 14:34 -0600
                Re: 'Leap Second' to Be Added on New Year's Eve This Year Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-12-31 16:45 -0500
                Re: 'Leap Second' to Be Added on New Year's Eve This Year Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2016-12-31 16:34 -0700
                Re: 'Leap Second' to Be Added on New Year's Eve This Year "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-12-31 17:15 -0800
                Re: 'Leap Second' to Be Added on New Year's Eve This Year Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-12-31 20:52 -0500
                Re: 'Leap Second' to Be Added on New Year's Eve This Year Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-01-01 12:22 +0000
                Re: 'Leap Second' to Be Added on New Year's Eve This Year Mark Lloyd <not@mail.invalid> - 2017-01-01 15:47 -0600
                Re: 'Leap Second' to Be Added on New Year's Eve This Year Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-12-31 13:59 -0800
              Re: 'Leap Second' to Be Added on New Year's Eve This Year Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2017-01-01 13:46 -0500
                Re: 'Leap Second' to Be Added on New Year's Eve This Year Mark Lloyd <not@mail.invalid> - 2017-01-01 16:12 -0600
                Re: 'Leap Second' to Be Added on New Year's Eve This Year Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2017-01-01 19:44 -0500
                Re: 'Leap Second' to Be Added on New Year's Eve This Year Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2017-01-01 22:31 -0500
                Re: 'Leap Second' to Be Added on New Year's Eve This Year Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2017-01-02 11:23 -0700
                Re: 'Leap Second' to Be Added on New Year's Eve This Year Mark Lloyd <not@mail.invalid> - 2017-01-02 19:03 -0600
                Re: 'Leap Second' to Be Added on New Year's Eve This Year Mark Storkamp <mstorkamp@yahoo.com> - 2017-01-02 13:46 -0600
                Re: 'Leap Second' to Be Added on New Year's Eve This Year Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2017-01-02 14:55 -0500
                Re: 'Leap Second' to Be Added on New Year's Eve This Year Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2017-01-02 20:00 +0000
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                Re: 'Leap Second' to Be Added on New Year's Eve This Year Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2017-01-03 14:25 -0500
                Re: 'Leap Second' to Be Added on New Year's Eve This Year "James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2017-01-03 17:34 -0500
                Re: 'Leap Second' to Be Added on New Year's Eve This Year Mark Storkamp <mstorkamp@yahoo.com> - 2017-01-02 14:20 -0600
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                Re: 'Leap Second' to Be Added on New Year's Eve This Year "James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2017-01-04 12:09 -0500
                Re: 'Leap Second' to Be Added on New Year's Eve This Year Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2017-01-04 19:12 -0500
                Re: 'Leap Second' to Be Added on New Year's Eve This Year Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2017-01-02 15:06 -0500
                Re: 'Leap Second' to Be Added on New Year's Eve This Year Mark Lloyd <not@mail.invalid> - 2017-01-02 19:10 -0600
                Re: 'Leap Second' to Be Added on New Year's Eve This Year Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2017-01-02 22:56 -0500
                Re: 'Leap Second' to Be Added on New Year's Eve This Year "James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2017-01-04 12:34 -0500
                Re: 'Leap Second' to Be Added on New Year's Eve This Year Mark Lloyd <not@mail.invalid> - 2017-01-04 15:32 -0600
                Re: 'Leap Second' to Be Added on New Year's Eve This Year Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-01-04 13:51 -0800
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                Re: 'Leap Second' to Be Added on New Year's Eve This Year Mark Lloyd <not@mail.invalid> - 2017-01-04 22:37 -0600
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                Re: 'Leap Second' to Be Added on New Year's Eve This Year Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2017-01-05 09:20 -0800
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                [OT] Meaning and truth (Was Re: 'Leap Second' to Be Added on New Year's Eve This Year) Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2017-01-05 13:34 -0500
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                Re: 'Leap Second' to Be Added on New Year's Eve This Year Kaz Kylheku <221-501-9011@kylheku.com> - 2017-01-07 22:57 +0000
                Re: 'Leap Second' to Be Added on New Year's Eve This Year "James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2017-01-07 19:06 -0500
                Re: 'Leap Second' to Be Added on New Year's Eve This Year Kaz Kylheku <221-501-9011@kylheku.com> - 2017-01-08 06:16 +0000
                Re: 'Leap Second' to Be Added on New Year's Eve This Year "James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2017-01-08 11:19 -0500
                Re: 'Leap Second' to Be Added on New Year's Eve This Year Mark Lloyd <not@mail.invalid> - 2017-01-02 19:05 -0600
                Re: 'Leap Second' to Be Added on New Year's Eve This Year "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-01-04 00:28 +0000
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      Re: 'Leap Second' to Be Added on New Year's Eve This Year Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-01-04 16:17 +0000
        Re: 'Leap Second' to Be Added on New Year's Eve This Year "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-01-04 21:03 +0000
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