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| From | Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.c |
| Subject | Re: John McCarthy died today. |
| Date | 2011-11-04 17:58 +0000 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <20111104135545.861@kylheku.com> (permalink) |
| References | (1 earlier) <j8hdc9$tbd$1@news.albasani.net> <slrnjaof9n.1aaf.willem@toad.stack.nl> <j90aoo$jom$1@news.albasani.net> <20111104115106.357@kylheku.com> <4EB40FC0.8090206@verizon.net> |
On 2011-11-04, James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> wrote:
> On 11/04/2011 11:53 AM, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
>> On 2011-11-04, Ark <akhasin@macroexpressions.com> wrote:
>>> The fact that in
>>> C (and descendants) the assignment operator is an expression is indeed
>>> unfortunate and has lead to innumerable bugs stemming from clever
>>> coding.
>>
>> This is the consequence of how the operator is spelled, not what kind
>> of expression it is. Doh!
>
> I thought it was a consequence of the grammar, not the spelling of the
> operator. The problem is due entirely to the fact that there is such a
> thing in C as an expression that performs assignment, while C has no
> such thing as an assignment statement - the closest it comes is an
> expression-statement where the relevant expression is an assignment
> expression. Those facts are completely independent of the spelling of
> the assignment operator.
Which problem?
I'm thinking of accidental assignments:
if (defence_condition = UNDER_NUCLEAR_ATTACK)
launch_full_counterstrike();
This problem is caused by the similarity of == and =, but, sure, it would also
go away if you couldn't have an assignment in that context.
Other languages have assignment expressions, but programmers don't make these
mistakes.
;; Lisp
;; actually wanted EQ, but wrote SETF? Vanishingly unlikely.
(when (setf defence-condition :under-nuclear-attack) ...)
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