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  A plea... Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2022-07-17 03:24 +0100
    Re: A plea... olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2022-07-16 21:32 -0500
      Re: A plea... Skep Dick <skepdick22@gmail.com> - 2022-07-17 03:35 -0700
        Re: A plea... olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2022-07-17 07:51 -0500
    Re: A plea... Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid> - 2022-07-17 14:38 +0000
      Re: A plea... Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2022-07-18 01:24 +0100
        Re: A plea... olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2022-07-17 19:43 -0500
          Re: A plea... Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-07-17 22:44 -0400
            Re: A plea... Manfred <noname@add.invalid> - 2022-07-18 05:34 +0200
              Re: A plea... olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2022-07-17 22:39 -0500
            Re: A plea... olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2022-07-17 22:35 -0500
        Re: A plea... Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid> - 2022-07-18 05:28 +0000
          Re: A plea... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2022-07-18 13:49 -0700
        Which newsreader (was Re: A plea...) Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-18 22:03 +0100
          Re: Which newsreader (was Re: A plea...) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2022-07-18 23:39 +0100
            Re: Which newsreader (was Re: A plea...) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2022-07-18 17:27 -0700
              Re: Which newsreader (was Re: A plea...) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2022-07-19 09:23 +0200
                Re: Which newsreader (was Re: A plea...) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2022-07-19 15:37 -0700
              Re: Which newsreader (was Re: A plea...) Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2022-07-19 08:29 +0000
                Re: Which newsreader (was Re: A plea...) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2022-07-19 14:06 +0200
                  Re: Which newsreader (was Re: A plea...) Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2022-07-19 14:54 +0000
                Re: Which newsreader (was Re: A plea...) Ralf Fassel <ralfixx@gmx.de> - 2022-07-19 14:34 +0200
                  Re: Which newsreader (was Re: A plea...) Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2022-07-19 14:56 +0000
              Re: Which newsreader (was Re: A plea...) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2022-07-20 01:27 +0100
                Re: Which newsreader (was Re: A plea...) Manfred <noname@add.invalid> - 2022-07-20 03:09 +0200
                I addressed your plea Can you please review my work again if I post the source-code? olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2022-07-21 14:11 -0500
          Re: Which newsreader (was Re: A plea...) Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2022-07-19 08:30 +0000
          Re: Which newsreader (was Re: A plea...) Jack Lemmon <invalid@invalid.net> - 2022-07-19 19:50 +0100
            Re: Which newsreader (was Re: A plea...) Jim the Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> - 2022-07-20 00:49 +0100
            Re: Which newsreader (was Re: A plea...) Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-25 12:11 +0100
    Re: A plea... olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2022-07-18 07:58 -0500

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#85479 — Re: Which newsreader (was Re: A plea...)

On Tue, 19 Jul 2022 14:06:34 +0200
David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:
>On 19/07/2022 10:29, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>> On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 17:27:03 -0700
>> Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> writes:
>>>> Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> Which newsreader are you using? It doesn't plant the agent name.
>>>>
>>>> Gnus.  I thought it did announce itself, or I'd have said.  Maybe
>>>> something has changed over the years.
>>>
>>> That's odd.  I use Gnus, and it inserts this header line:
>>>
>>>     User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (gnu/linux)
>> 
>> Emacs? Don't tell me its now a newsreader too?
>> 
>
>As the saying goes, the only difference between Emacs and a complete OS 
>is the lack of a simple text editor. 

:o)

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#85478 — Re: Which newsreader (was Re: A plea...)

* Muttley@dastardlyhq.com
| >That's odd.  I use Gnus, and it inserts this header line:
| >
| >    User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (gnu/linux)
>
| Emacs? Don't tell me its now a newsreader too?

#define 'now'...  Gnus in Emacs is around since about 1995...

R'

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#85480 — Re: Which newsreader (was Re: A plea...)

On Tue, 19 Jul 2022 14:34:45 +0200
Ralf Fassel <ralfixx@gmx.de> wrote:
>* Muttley@dastardlyhq.com
>| >That's odd.  I use Gnus, and it inserts this header line:
>| >
>| >    User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (gnu/linux)
>>
>| Emacs? Don't tell me its now a newsreader too?
>
>#define 'now'...  Gnus in Emacs is around since about 1995...

I tried emacs once as a student and fled back to vi. Never used it since so
I wouldn't even know if it had gained sentience and run for office never 
mind what its built in utilities are.

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#85489 — Re: Which newsreader (was Re: A plea...)

Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> writes:

> Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> writes:
>> Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> writes:
>>
>>> Which newsreader are you using? It doesn't plant the agent name.
>>
>> Gnus.  I thought it did announce itself, or I'd have said.  Maybe
>> something has changed over the years.
>
> That's odd.  I use Gnus, and it inserts this header line:
>
>     User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (gnu/linux)

I think I turned it off...  I've been fiddling with Gnus/Emacs for
years.

-- 
Ben.

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#85491 — Re: Which newsreader (was Re: A plea...)

On 7/20/2022 2:27 AM, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
> Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> writes:
> 
>> Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> writes:
>>> Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> writes:
>>>
>>>> Which newsreader are you using? It doesn't plant the agent name.
>>>
>>> Gnus.  I thought it did announce itself, or I'd have said.  Maybe
>>> something has changed over the years.
>>
>> That's odd.  I use Gnus, and it inserts this header line:
>>
>>      User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (gnu/linux)
> 
> I think I turned it off...  I've been fiddling with Gnus/Emacs for
> years.
> 

That makes sense. I guess the entertaining part, now, is figuring out 
how to turn it back on..

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#85529 — I addressed your plea Can you please review my work again if I post the source-code?

On 7/19/2022 7:27 PM, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
> Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> writes:
> 
>> Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> writes:
>>> Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> writes:
>>>
>>>> Which newsreader are you using? It doesn't plant the agent name.
>>>
>>> Gnus.  I thought it did announce itself, or I'd have said.  Maybe
>>> something has changed over the years.
>>
>> That's odd.  I use Gnus, and it inserts this header line:
>>
>>      User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (gnu/linux)
> 
> I think I turned it off...  I've been fiddling with Gnus/Emacs for
> years.
> 

*I addressed your plea*

*Can you please begin reviewing my work again on comp.theory?*
*I just got out of the hospital I was very sick*
I will post the full C source-code of the halt decider.

Primarily I want it addressed as software engineering.
H(P,P)==0 is correct even if H is not a computable function.

Only after it is *fully reviewed* at the software engineering
level (which might be a breakthrough in the field of termination 
analysis) then I want it reviewed as a computable function.



-- 
Copyright 2022 Pete Olcott

"Talent hits a target no one else can hit;
  Genius hits a target no one else can see."
  Arthur Schopenhauer

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#85476 — Re: Which newsreader (was Re: A plea...)

On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 22:03:26 +0100
Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>On 18/07/2022 01:24, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>> My newsreader has a scoring system that is far more sophisticated than a
>> kill file.  I can even "score down" sub-threads where PO jumps in to
>> poison the thread.  The trouble is that newbies don't do this sort of
>> thing.  One look at comp.lang.c++ in GG and they will go elsewhere.
>
>Which newsreader are you using? It doesn't plant the agent name.
>
>(I'm using Thunderbird which has developed a really annoying bug. It 
>hides all threads, not just the unread ones, and forgets the sort 
>settings. For some groups at random...)

This sort of thing is why I wrote my own usenet utilities. NNTP is a pretty
simple protocol so anyone with network programming experience should have
no problem doing the same.

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#85481 — Re: Which newsreader (was Re: A plea...)

On 18/07/2022 22:03, Vir Campestris wrote:
>
>
> (I'm using Thunderbird which has developed a really annoying bug. It 
> hides all threads, not just the unread ones, and forgets the sort 
> settings. For some groups at random...)
>
>

Perhaps you should post this to Thunderbird Newsgroup where they might 
tell you what your mistakes. Thunderbird is pretty robust newsreader.

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#85486 — Re: Which newsreader (was Re: A plea...)

In article <tb6ujm$3hi4a$1@paganini.bofh.team>, invalid@invalid.net 
says...
> 
> On 18/07/2022 22:03, Vir Campestris wrote:
> >
> >
> > (I'm using Thunderbird which has developed a really annoying bug. It 
> > hides all threads, not just the unread ones, and forgets the sort 
> > settings. For some groups at random...)
> >
> >
> 
> Perhaps you should post this to Thunderbird Newsgroup where they might 
> tell you what your mistakes. Thunderbird is pretty robust newsreader.

Or try Gravity

-- 
Jim the Geordie

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#85608 — Re: Which newsreader (was Re: A plea...)

On 19/07/2022 19:50, Jack Lemmon wrote:
> On 18/07/2022 22:03, Vir Campestris wrote:
>>
>>
>> (I'm using Thunderbird which has developed a really annoying bug. It
>> hides all threads, not just the unread ones, and forgets the sort
>> settings. For some groups at random...)
>>
>>
> 
> Perhaps you should post this to Thunderbird Newsgroup where they might
> tell you what your mistakes. Thunderbird is pretty robust newsreader.
> 
> 
> 
I did. I even raised a formal bug, and found other people reporting the 
same thing.

Sadly the Thunderbird team seem more interested in new features.

I might get around to downloading the source and investigating, but 
despite having just retired I don't seem to have the time.

Andy

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#85459

On 7/18/2022 4:54 AM, Mark Bluemel wrote:
> On Sunday, 17 July 2022 at 03:24:47 UTC+1, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>> Please don't respond to Peter Olcott's posts here.
> 
> Vain hope. Even threads not initially about his vacuous waffle are now
> being subverted by the monomaniac and his enablers
> 
> The age of the functional unmoderated forum appears over.
> 
> Can the last to leave please turn the lights out.

I already got them to move to comp.theory because of Ben's plea.

-- 
Copyright 2022 Pete Olcott

"Talent hits a target no one else can hit;
  Genius hits a target no one else can see."
  Arthur Schopenhauer

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