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| Started by | Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2021-09-20 22:43 +0200 |
| Last post | 2021-10-28 20:29 -0700 |
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Tricky ... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-09-20 22:43 +0200
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-09-23 10:38 -0700
Re: Tricky ... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-09-23 20:29 +0200
Re: Tricky ... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-09-23 20:30 +0200
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-09-24 18:48 -0700
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-09-24 18:56 -0700
Re: Tricky ... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-09-25 07:24 +0200
Re: Tricky ... Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@gmail.com> - 2021-09-25 12:28 +0000
Re: Tricky ... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-09-25 15:57 +0200
Re: Tricky ... Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@gmail.com> - 2021-09-25 13:59 +0000
Re: Tricky ... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-09-25 16:09 +0200
Re: Tricky ... Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@gmail.com> - 2021-09-25 17:13 +0000
Re: Tricky ... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-09-25 19:15 +0200
Re: Tricky ... Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@gmail.com> - 2021-09-25 17:22 +0000
Re: Tricky ... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-09-26 05:46 +0200
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-04 01:19 -0700
Re: Tricky ... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-10-04 13:50 +0200
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-04 10:08 -0700
Re: Tricky ... Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2021-10-04 08:50 -0700
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-04 10:07 -0700
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-09-25 13:34 -0700
Re: Tricky ... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-09-26 05:48 +0200
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-09-27 22:46 -0700
Re: Tricky ... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-09-28 08:34 +0200
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-09-28 00:05 -0700
Re: Tricky ... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-09-28 12:06 +0200
Re: Tricky ... David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-09-28 16:05 +0200
Re: Tricky ... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-09-28 18:46 +0200
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-09-28 14:02 -0700
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-09-28 14:42 -0700
Re: Tricky ... red floyd <no.spam.here@its.invalid> - 2021-09-28 17:05 -0700
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-09-28 19:28 -0700
Re: Tricky ... David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-09-29 08:35 +0200
Re: Tricky ... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-09-29 12:42 +0200
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-09-29 12:04 -0700
Re: Tricky ... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-09-29 12:41 +0200
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-09-29 12:05 -0700
Re: Tricky ... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-09-30 03:33 +0200
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-09-29 18:43 -0700
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-09-29 19:47 -0700
Re: Tricky ... David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-09-30 09:10 +0200
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-01 18:00 -0700
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-01 18:01 -0700
Re: Tricky ... Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@gmail.com> - 2021-09-29 02:32 +0000
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-09-29 12:05 -0700
Re: Tricky ... HorseyWorsey@the_stables.com - 2021-09-30 09:35 +0000
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-01 13:19 -0700
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-09-27 00:18 -0700
Re: Tricky ... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-09-27 14:44 +0200
Re: Tricky ... red floyd <no.spam.here@its.invalid> - 2021-09-27 10:54 -0700
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-09-27 14:10 -0700
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-09-27 14:06 -0700
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-09-27 16:09 -0700
Re: Tricky ... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-09-28 06:57 +0200
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-09-27 22:28 -0700
Re: Tricky ... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-09-28 08:33 +0200
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-09-28 00:03 -0700
Re: Tricky ... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-09-28 12:05 +0200
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-09-29 21:57 -0700
Re: Tricky ... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-09-30 08:16 +0200
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-09-30 01:19 -0700
Re: Tricky ... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-09-30 12:39 +0200
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-09-30 13:20 -0700
Re: Tricky ... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-10-01 03:32 +0200
Re: Tricky ... Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2021-10-01 04:43 -0700
Re: Tricky ... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-10-01 14:59 +0200
Re: Tricky ... Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-01 13:10 +0000
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-01 13:04 -0700
Re: Tricky ... Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-01 20:53 +0000
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-01 14:24 -0700
Re: Tricky ... Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-01 22:13 +0000
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-01 17:14 -0700
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-01 17:16 -0700
Re: Tricky ... Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-02 01:44 +0000
Re: Tricky ... Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-02 02:14 +0000
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-01 19:33 -0700
Re: Tricky ... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 06:39 +0200
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-01 22:12 -0700
Re: Tricky ... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 07:35 +0200
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-01 22:49 -0700
Re: Tricky ... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 08:00 +0200
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-01 23:12 -0700
Re: Tricky ... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 08:38 +0200
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-01 23:39 -0700
Re: Tricky ... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 08:46 +0200
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-01 23:50 -0700
Re: Tricky ... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 08:52 +0200
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 00:01 -0700
Re: Tricky ... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 09:12 +0200
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 00:26 -0700
Re: Tricky ... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 11:16 +0200
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 03:03 -0700
Re: Tricky ... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 13:06 +0200
Re: Tricky ... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 13:07 +0200
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-06 18:22 -0700
Re: Tricky ... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-10-09 09:38 +0200
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-09 12:29 -0700
Re: Tricky ... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-10-09 21:59 +0200
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-09 13:13 -0700
Re: Tricky ... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-10-10 06:42 +0200
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-09 22:04 -0700
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-01 13:20 -0700
Re: Tricky ... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 06:40 +0200
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-01 22:12 -0700
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-01 22:14 -0700
Re: Tricky ... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 07:36 +0200
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-01 22:55 -0700
Re: Tricky ... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 08:00 +0200
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-01 23:08 -0700
Re: Tricky ... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 08:38 +0200
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-01 23:41 -0700
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-01 23:44 -0700
Re: Tricky ... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 08:47 +0200
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-01 23:51 -0700
Re: Tricky ... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 08:53 +0200
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 00:04 -0700
Re: Tricky ... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 09:13 +0200
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 00:20 -0700
Re: Tricky ... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 09:30 +0200
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 00:32 -0700
Re: Tricky ... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 10:27 +0200
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-04 11:31 -0700
Re: Tricky ... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-10-05 07:13 +0200
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-06 12:22 -0700
Re: Tricky ... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-10-07 08:36 +0200
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-07 00:31 -0700
Re: Tricky ... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-10-07 12:15 +0200
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-07 12:21 -0700
Re: Tricky ... Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-07 20:14 +0000
Re: Tricky ... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-10-08 07:52 +0200
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-08 12:56 -0700
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 00:24 -0700
Re: Tricky ... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 09:31 +0200
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 00:32 -0700
Re: Tricky ... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 10:27 +0200
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 01:36 -0700
Re: Tricky ... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 10:57 +0200
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-06 17:19 -0700
Re: Tricky ... Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-07 02:17 +0000
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-06 19:38 -0700
Re: Tricky ... Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-07 02:45 +0000
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-06 20:01 -0700
Re: Tricky ... Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-07 03:24 +0000
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-08 13:13 -0700
Re: Tricky ... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-10-07 08:37 +0200
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-07 01:15 -0700
Re: Tricky ... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-10-07 12:16 +0200
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-07 12:26 -0700
Re: Tricky ... Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-07 20:16 +0000
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-07 14:27 -0700
Re: Tricky ... Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-07 23:27 +0000
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-08 15:24 -0700
Re: Tricky ... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-10-08 07:53 +0200
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-08 12:53 -0700
Re: Tricky ... Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-01 13:08 +0000
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 00:31 -0700
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 00:52 -0700
Re: Tricky ... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-09-28 06:55 +0200
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-09-27 22:27 -0700
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-09-27 22:49 -0700
Re: Tricky ... Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@gmail.com> - 2021-09-29 02:31 +0000
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-09-28 20:14 -0700
Re: Tricky ... Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-09-28 08:33 +0200
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-09-28 00:06 -0700
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-09-29 12:09 -0700
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-09-30 13:00 -0700
Re: Tricky ... RadicalRabbit@theburrow.co.uk - 2021-10-01 09:17 +0000
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-01 13:11 -0700
Re: Tricky ... RadicalRabbit@theburrow.co.uk - 2021-10-03 08:25 +0000
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 13:21 -0700
Re: Tricky ... Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 21:06 +0000
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 14:33 -0700
Re: Tricky ... Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-04 04:42 +0000
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-06 18:11 -0700
Re: Tricky ... Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-07 02:20 +0000
Re: Tricky ... Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2021-10-07 22:26 +1300
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-08 14:07 -0700
Re: Tricky ... Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-01 13:07 +0000
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-01 13:08 -0700
Re: Tricky ... Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-01 20:54 +0000
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 13:33 -0700
Re: Tricky ... Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 21:07 +0000
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 14:51 -0700
Re: Tricky ... Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-04 04:44 +0000
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-08 13:05 -0700
Re: Tricky ... Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-09 07:29 +0000
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-09 19:55 -0700
Re: Tricky ... Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-11 05:21 +0000
Re: Tricky ... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-28 13:49 -0700
Re: Tricky ... "daniel...@gmail.com" <danielaparker@gmail.com> - 2021-10-28 20:29 -0700
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| From | Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2021-10-02 10:27 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <sj9557$235$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81774 |
Am 02.10.2021 um 09:32 schrieb Chris M. Thomasson: > On 10/2/2021 12:30 AM, Bonita Montero wrote: >> Am 02.10.2021 um 09:20 schrieb Chris M. Thomasson: >> >>>> A mutex isn't a lock-free structure because is _also_ has a >>>> slow path. >>> >>> It can have a very nice fast-path... Have you ever created one? >> >> That's not what we're talking about. >> > > I am talking about the nice fast-path being totally lock/wait-free. It > can! Think about it some more. Lock-free is when you only have a fast path - and no slow path.
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| From | "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-10-04 11:31 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <sjfha3$1ok2$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #81777 |
On 10/2/2021 1:27 AM, Bonita Montero wrote: > Am 02.10.2021 um 09:32 schrieb Chris M. Thomasson: >> On 10/2/2021 12:30 AM, Bonita Montero wrote: >>> Am 02.10.2021 um 09:20 schrieb Chris M. Thomasson: >>> >>>>> A mutex isn't a lock-free structure because is _also_ has a >>>>> slow path. >>>> >>>> It can have a very nice fast-path... Have you ever created one? >>> >>> That's not what we're talking about. >>> >> >> I am talking about the nice fast-path being totally lock/wait-free. It >> can! Think about it some more. > > Lock-free is when you only have a fast path - and no slow path. Why not combine the two? Ahhh, the futex, or eventcount.
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| From | Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-10-05 07:13 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <sjgmtr$565$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81844 |
Am 04.10.2021 um 20:31 schrieb Chris M. Thomasson: > On 10/2/2021 1:27 AM, Bonita Montero wrote: >> Am 02.10.2021 um 09:32 schrieb Chris M. Thomasson: >>> On 10/2/2021 12:30 AM, Bonita Montero wrote: >>>> Am 02.10.2021 um 09:20 schrieb Chris M. Thomasson: >>>> >>>>>> A mutex isn't a lock-free structure because is _also_ has a >>>>>> slow path. >>>>> >>>>> It can have a very nice fast-path... Have you ever created one? >>>> >>>> That's not what we're talking about. >>>> >>> >>> I am talking about the nice fast-path being totally lock/wait-free. >>> It can! Think about it some more. >> >> Lock-free is when you only have a fast path - and no slow path. > > Why not combine the two? Ahhh, the futex, or eventcount. Then it's not lock-free anymore.
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| From | "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-10-06 12:22 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <sjkt23$18c2$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #81851 |
On 10/4/2021 10:13 PM, Bonita Montero wrote: > Am 04.10.2021 um 20:31 schrieb Chris M. Thomasson: >> On 10/2/2021 1:27 AM, Bonita Montero wrote: >>> Am 02.10.2021 um 09:32 schrieb Chris M. Thomasson: >>>> On 10/2/2021 12:30 AM, Bonita Montero wrote: >>>>> Am 02.10.2021 um 09:20 schrieb Chris M. Thomasson: >>>>> >>>>>>> A mutex isn't a lock-free structure because is _also_ has a >>>>>>> slow path. >>>>>> >>>>>> It can have a very nice fast-path... Have you ever created one? >>>>> >>>>> That's not what we're talking about. >>>>> >>>> >>>> I am talking about the nice fast-path being totally lock/wait-free. >>>> It can! Think about it some more. >>> >>> Lock-free is when you only have a fast path - and no slow path. >> >> Why not combine the two? Ahhh, the futex, or eventcount. > > Then it's not lock-free anymore. However, it has lock-free fast-paths. That is a huge advantage!
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| From | Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-10-07 08:36 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <sjm4h3$uh$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81879 |
Am 06.10.2021 um 21:22 schrieb Chris M. Thomasson: > On 10/4/2021 10:13 PM, Bonita Montero wrote: >> Am 04.10.2021 um 20:31 schrieb Chris M. Thomasson: >>> On 10/2/2021 1:27 AM, Bonita Montero wrote: >>>> Am 02.10.2021 um 09:32 schrieb Chris M. Thomasson: >>>>> On 10/2/2021 12:30 AM, Bonita Montero wrote: >>>>>> Am 02.10.2021 um 09:20 schrieb Chris M. Thomasson: >>>>>> >>>>>>>> A mutex isn't a lock-free structure because is _also_ has a >>>>>>>> slow path. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It can have a very nice fast-path... Have you ever created one? >>>>>> >>>>>> That's not what we're talking about. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I am talking about the nice fast-path being totally lock/wait-free. >>>>> It can! Think about it some more. >>>> >>>> Lock-free is when you only have a fast path - and no slow path. >>> >>> Why not combine the two? Ahhh, the futex, or eventcount. >> >> Then it's not lock-free anymore. > > However, it has lock-free fast-paths. That is a huge advantage! Then you could call every mutex lock-free. But no one does that.
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| From | "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-10-07 00:31 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <sjm7pa$1622$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #81902 |
On 10/6/2021 11:36 PM, Bonita Montero wrote: > Am 06.10.2021 um 21:22 schrieb Chris M. Thomasson: >> On 10/4/2021 10:13 PM, Bonita Montero wrote: >>> Am 04.10.2021 um 20:31 schrieb Chris M. Thomasson: >>>> On 10/2/2021 1:27 AM, Bonita Montero wrote: >>>>> Am 02.10.2021 um 09:32 schrieb Chris M. Thomasson: >>>>>> On 10/2/2021 12:30 AM, Bonita Montero wrote: >>>>>>> Am 02.10.2021 um 09:20 schrieb Chris M. Thomasson: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> A mutex isn't a lock-free structure because is _also_ has a >>>>>>>>> slow path. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It can have a very nice fast-path... Have you ever created one? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That's not what we're talking about. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I am talking about the nice fast-path being totally >>>>>> lock/wait-free. It can! Think about it some more. >>>>> >>>>> Lock-free is when you only have a fast path - and no slow path. >>>> >>>> Why not combine the two? Ahhh, the futex, or eventcount. >>> >>> Then it's not lock-free anymore. >> >> However, it has lock-free fast-paths. That is a huge advantage! > > Then you could call every mutex lock-free. But no one does that. > You can call access to an unlocked mutex a fast-path. It sounds like you have never heard of a benaphore before. Too bad.
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| From | Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-10-07 12:15 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <sjmhbn$csk$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81907 |
Am 07.10.2021 um 09:31 schrieb Chris M. Thomasson: > On 10/6/2021 11:36 PM, Bonita Montero wrote: >> Am 06.10.2021 um 21:22 schrieb Chris M. Thomasson: >>> On 10/4/2021 10:13 PM, Bonita Montero wrote: >>>> Am 04.10.2021 um 20:31 schrieb Chris M. Thomasson: >>>>> On 10/2/2021 1:27 AM, Bonita Montero wrote: >>>>>> Am 02.10.2021 um 09:32 schrieb Chris M. Thomasson: >>>>>>> On 10/2/2021 12:30 AM, Bonita Montero wrote: >>>>>>>> Am 02.10.2021 um 09:20 schrieb Chris M. Thomasson: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> A mutex isn't a lock-free structure because is _also_ has a >>>>>>>>>> slow path. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It can have a very nice fast-path... Have you ever created one? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That's not what we're talking about. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am talking about the nice fast-path being totally >>>>>>> lock/wait-free. It can! Think about it some more. >>>>>> >>>>>> Lock-free is when you only have a fast path - and no slow path. >>>>> >>>>> Why not combine the two? Ahhh, the futex, or eventcount. >>>> >>>> Then it's not lock-free anymore. >>> >>> However, it has lock-free fast-paths. That is a huge advantage! >> >> Then you could call every mutex lock-free. But no one does that. >> > > You can call access to an unlocked mutex a fast-path. Yes, but because of that fast path a mutex isn't lock-free. You say that everything having a fast path could be called lock-free.
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| From | "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-10-07 12:21 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <sjnhba$1gvq$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #81911 |
On 10/7/2021 3:15 AM, Bonita Montero wrote: > Am 07.10.2021 um 09:31 schrieb Chris M. Thomasson: >> On 10/6/2021 11:36 PM, Bonita Montero wrote: >>> Am 06.10.2021 um 21:22 schrieb Chris M. Thomasson: >>>> On 10/4/2021 10:13 PM, Bonita Montero wrote: >>>>> Am 04.10.2021 um 20:31 schrieb Chris M. Thomasson: >>>>>> On 10/2/2021 1:27 AM, Bonita Montero wrote: >>>>>>> Am 02.10.2021 um 09:32 schrieb Chris M. Thomasson: >>>>>>>> On 10/2/2021 12:30 AM, Bonita Montero wrote: >>>>>>>>> Am 02.10.2021 um 09:20 schrieb Chris M. Thomasson: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> A mutex isn't a lock-free structure because is _also_ has a >>>>>>>>>>> slow path. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It can have a very nice fast-path... Have you ever created one? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> That's not what we're talking about. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am talking about the nice fast-path being totally >>>>>>>> lock/wait-free. It can! Think about it some more. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Lock-free is when you only have a fast path - and no slow path. >>>>>> >>>>>> Why not combine the two? Ahhh, the futex, or eventcount. >>>>> >>>>> Then it's not lock-free anymore. >>>> >>>> However, it has lock-free fast-paths. That is a huge advantage! >>> >>> Then you could call every mutex lock-free. But no one does that. >>> >> >> You can call access to an unlocked mutex a fast-path. > > Yes, but because of that fast path a mutex isn't lock-free. > You say that everything having a fast path could be called lock-free. I am saying the fast-path is lock/wait-free. Then there is the slow-path... A completely different story. A futex and eventcount are used to allow the data-structure to be waited on. A futex is much lower level than eventcount. An eventcount is kind of akin to a condvar for lock/wait-free algorithms. A futex can be used to build an eventcount.
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| From | Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> |
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| Date | 2021-10-07 20:14 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <4zI7J.12564$fZ.3817@fx06.iad> |
| In reply to | #81914 |
On 2021-10-07, Chris M. Thomasson <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> wrote: >> Yes, but because of that fast path a mutex isn't lock-free. >> You say that everything having a fast path could be called lock-free. > > I am saying the fast-path is lock/wait-free. Then there is the > slow-path... A completely different story. A futex and eventcount are > used to allow the data-structure to be waited on. A futex is much lower > level than eventcount. An eventcount is kind of akin to a condvar for > lock/wait-free algorithms. A futex can be used to build an eventcount. Well only thing you can do is sleep not to overheat :P -- 7-77-777 Evil Sinner! with software, you repeat same experiment, expecting different results...
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| From | Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-10-08 07:52 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <sjomag$750$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81914 |
Am 07.10.2021 um 21:21 schrieb Chris M. Thomasson: > I am saying the fast-path is lock/wait-free. No one calls sth. with a fast path and a slow path lock-free. Lock-free is _only_ without a slow path. Idiot !
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| From | "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-10-08 12:56 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <sjq7q5$1dsa$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #81923 |
On 10/7/2021 10:52 PM, Bonita Montero wrote: > Am 07.10.2021 um 21:21 schrieb Chris M. Thomasson: > >> I am saying the fast-path is lock/wait-free. > > No one calls sth. with a fast path and a slow path lock-free. > Lock-free is _only_ without a slow path. Idiot ! Sigh. Never mind. I am casting my pearls before, well, whatever.
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| From | "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-10-02 00:24 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <sj91f3$1fi7$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #81767 |
On 10/2/2021 12:13 AM, Bonita Montero wrote: > Am 02.10.2021 um 09:04 schrieb Chris M. Thomasson: >> On 10/1/2021 11:53 PM, Bonita Montero wrote: >>> Am 02.10.2021 um 08:51 schrieb Chris M. Thomasson: >>>> On 10/1/2021 11:47 PM, Bonita Montero wrote: >>>>> Am 02.10.2021 um 08:41 schrieb Chris M. Thomasson: >>>>>> On 10/1/2021 11:38 PM, Bonita Montero wrote: >>>>>>> Am 02.10.2021 um 08:08 schrieb Chris M. Thomasson: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> One cal use lock-free in user-space! A futex or eventcount can >>>>>>>> be used to help it out. You know, if it must wait on an empty >>>>>>>> condition, well, it can without spinning around. If the >>>>>>>> queue/stack is empty, we can wait! Or not. Up to the programmer. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you have a slow path you don't have a lock-free algorithm. >>>>>> >>>>>> Why not? The slow-path can be avoided, from time to time. ... >>>>> >>>>> Lock-free is without locking all the time. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Think of fast path vs slow path. You have a lot to learn! >>> >>> I know the difference. But lock-free algorithms are >>> _always_ non-blocking and _never_ have a slow path. >> >> ARGH! You are a pain to talk to. There is a way to use this even in >> mutex logic. The slow path of a mutex is when its locked, and we have >> a choice to wait, or perhaps try to do something else... Think >> about it! > > A mutex isn't a lock-free structure because is _also_ has a > slow path. Have you ever experimented with trying to do something else instead of waiting on a mutex?
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| From | Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-10-02 09:31 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <sj91t8$eeh$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81769 |
Am 02.10.2021 um 09:24 schrieb Chris M. Thomasson: >> A mutex isn't a lock-free structure because is _also_ has a >> slow path. > > Have you ever experimented with trying to do something else instead of > waiting on a mutex? That's not what we're talking about. Lock-free is when there is never any waiting in the kernel.
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| From | "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-10-02 00:32 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <sj91vb$1fi7$5@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #81772 |
On 10/2/2021 12:31 AM, Bonita Montero wrote: > Am 02.10.2021 um 09:24 schrieb Chris M. Thomasson: > >>> A mutex isn't a lock-free structure because is _also_ has a >>> slow path. >> >> Have you ever experimented with trying to do something else instead of >> waiting on a mutex? > > That's not what we're talking about. > Lock-free is when there is never any waiting in the kernel. Lock-free is when its lock-free. Ugh!
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| From | Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-10-02 10:27 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <sj955q$235$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81775 |
Am 02.10.2021 um 09:32 schrieb Chris M. Thomasson: > On 10/2/2021 12:31 AM, Bonita Montero wrote: >> Am 02.10.2021 um 09:24 schrieb Chris M. Thomasson: >> >>>> A mutex isn't a lock-free structure because is _also_ has a >>>> slow path. >>> >>> Have you ever experimented with trying to do something else instead >>> of waiting on a mutex? >> >> That's not what we're talking about. >> Lock-free is when there is never any waiting in the kernel. > > Lock-free is when its lock-free. Ugh! Lock-free is when you only have a fast path - and no slow path.
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| From | "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-10-02 01:36 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <sj95ln$566$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81778 |
On 10/2/2021 1:27 AM, Bonita Montero wrote: > Am 02.10.2021 um 09:32 schrieb Chris M. Thomasson: >> On 10/2/2021 12:31 AM, Bonita Montero wrote: >>> Am 02.10.2021 um 09:24 schrieb Chris M. Thomasson: >>> >>>>> A mutex isn't a lock-free structure because is _also_ has a >>>>> slow path. >>>> >>>> Have you ever experimented with trying to do something else instead >>>> of waiting on a mutex? >>> >>> That's not what we're talking about. >>> Lock-free is when there is never any waiting in the kernel. >> >> Lock-free is when its lock-free. Ugh! > > Lock-free is when you only have a fast path - and no slow path. Why do you make me want to cough when I read some of your comments? The idea is to try to minimize slow-paths... Think about it! Damn it... ;^o Maximizing Lock/Wait free fast-paths is the main goal here. Gosh... ;^) So lock/wait free algorithms are of great use! Not, what did you say, idiotic? Wow.
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| From | Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-10-02 10:57 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <sj96uf$cfp$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81779 |
Am 02.10.2021 um 10:36 schrieb Chris M. Thomasson: > Why do you make me want to cough when I read some of your comments? The > idea is to try to minimize slow-paths... Think about it! Damn it... ;^o The idea of lock-free algorithms is not to have slow paths at all. Otherwise they wouldn't be lock-free. > So lock/wait free algorithms are of great use! Not, what did you say, > idiotic? Wow. No, lock-free algortims involve polling because there is never any kernel-waiting. And polling is out of question.
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| From | "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-10-06 17:19 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <sjleeb$1kg4$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #81780 |
On 10/2/2021 1:57 AM, Bonita Montero wrote: > Am 02.10.2021 um 10:36 schrieb Chris M. Thomasson: > >> Why do you make me want to cough when I read some of your comments? >> The idea is to try to minimize slow-paths... Think about it! Damn >> it... ;^o > > The idea of lock-free algorithms is not to have slow paths at all. Why not? You have a very narrow view. A pure lock-free fast-path is ideal. A wait-free fast-path is even better! > Otherwise they wouldn't be lock-free. Forgot about that all or nothing line of thought for a moment. Think outside of the box, so to speak... > >> So lock/wait free algorithms are of great use! Not, what did you say, >> idiotic? Wow. > > No, lock-free algortims involve polling because there is never any > kernel-waiting. And polling is out of question. ARGH! Try to pull your head out of the proverbial sand for a moment? A lock/wait-free fast-path is great!
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| From | Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> |
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| Date | 2021-10-07 02:17 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <KMs7J.43796$tA2.6357@fx02.iad> |
| In reply to | #81890 |
On 2021-10-07, Chris M. Thomasson <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> wrote: > ideal. A wait-free fast-path is even better! > Then, you have to think what to do, when there is is nothing to do :P -- 7-77-777 Evil Sinner! to weak you should be meek, and you should brainfuck stronger https://github.com/rofl0r/chaos-pp
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| From | "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-10-06 19:38 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <sjlmjh$1v9v$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #81893 |
On 10/6/2021 7:17 PM, Branimir Maksimovic wrote: > On 2021-10-07, Chris M. Thomasson <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> wrote: >> ideal. A wait-free fast-path is even better! >> > Then, you have to think what to do, when there is is nothing > to do :P > When the fast-path fails, we can choose to try to wait. Usually on a Futex or Eventcount. The main idea is under periods of load, when the structure is not empty, we can fly along lock/wait-free paths.
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