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  Re: comp.lang.c blocked on Google Groups Switch to free (Thunderbird and eternal-september) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2021-07-05 08:31 -0500
    Re: comp.lang.c blocked on Google Groups James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2021-07-05 16:26 +0100
      Re: comp.lang.c blocked on Google Groups Sam <sam@email-scan.com> - 2021-07-05 12:52 -0400
      Re: comp.lang.c blocked on Google Groups "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-07-05 12:55 -0700
    Re: comp.lang.c blocked on Google Groups Switch to free (Thunderbird and eternal-september) "Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach@gmail.com> - 2021-07-05 18:39 +0200
      Re: comp.lang.c blocked on Google Groups Switch to free (Thunderbird and eternal-september) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2021-07-05 11:50 -0500
      Re: comp.lang.c blocked on Google Groups https://www.usenetarchives.com/ olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2021-07-05 11:56 -0500
      Re: comp.lang.c blocked on Google Groups Switch to free (Thunderbird and eternal-september) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2021-07-05 14:13 -0700
        Re: comp.lang.c blocked on Google Groups Switch to free (Thunderbird and eternal-september) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-07-05 15:32 -0700
          Re: comp.lang.c blocked on Google Groups Switch to free (Thunderbird and eternal-september) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-07-05 15:34 -0700
        Re: comp.lang.c blocked on Google Groups Switch to free (Thunderbird and eternal-september) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-07-06 08:22 +0200
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                                          Re: Wheel re-invention (Was: comp.lang.c blocked on Google Groups "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-07-19 00:53 -0700
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                            Re: Wheel re-invention (Was: comp.lang.c blocked on Google Groups Switch to free (Thunderbird) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2021-07-14 21:03 +0000
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    Re: comp.lang.c blocked on Google Groups Switch to free (Thunderbird and eternal-september) Real Troll <real.troll@trolls.com> - 2021-07-05 17:00 +0000
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#80666 — Re: comp.lang.c blocked on Google Groups Switch to free (Thunderbird and eternal-september)

On 6/9/2021 5:37 AM, James Harris wrote:
> Censorious Big Tech has now reached the point of Google blocking access 
> to comp.lang.c.
> 
> If I try to access clc from Google Groups I get told the following.
> 
> 
> 
> Banned content warning
> comp.lang.c has been identified as containing spam, malware or other 
> malicious content.
> 
> For more information about content policies on Google Groups, see our 
> Help Centre article on abuse and our Terms of Service.
> 
> 
> 
> 

Switch to free (Thunderbird and eternal-september)

Free newsgroup host
https://www.eternal-september.org/

Free newsgroup client
https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/

-- 
Copyright 2021 Pete Olcott

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre 
minds." Einstein

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#80667 — Re: comp.lang.c blocked on Google Groups

On 05/07/2021 14:31, olcott wrote:
> On 6/9/2021 5:37 AM, James Harris wrote:
>> Censorious Big Tech has now reached the point of Google blocking 
>> access to comp.lang.c.
>>
>> If I try to access clc from Google Groups I get told the following.
>>
>>
>>
>> Banned content warning
>> comp.lang.c has been identified as containing spam, malware or other 
>> malicious content.
>>
>> For more information about content policies on Google Groups, see our 
>> Help Centre article on abuse and our Terms of Service.
>>
>>
>>
>>
> 
> Switch to free (Thunderbird and eternal-september)
> 
> Free newsgroup host
> https://www.eternal-september.org/
> 
> Free newsgroup client
> https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/
> 

I use Thunderbird and Eternal September when I'm at home. But an 
internet service like Google Groups is useful for when travelling.


-- 
James Harris

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#80670 — Re: comp.lang.c blocked on Google Groups

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James Harris writes:

> I use Thunderbird and Eternal September when I'm at home. But an internet  
> service like Google Groups is useful for when travelling.

There are nntp clients for Android. I never used them; they seem to be  
mostly oriented towards snarfing binaries, but they might prove to be a  
decent reader.

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#80674 — Re: comp.lang.c blocked on Google Groups

On 7/5/2021 8:26 AM, James Harris wrote:
> On 05/07/2021 14:31, olcott wrote:
>> On 6/9/2021 5:37 AM, James Harris wrote:
>>> Censorious Big Tech has now reached the point of Google blocking 
>>> access to comp.lang.c.
>>>
>>> If I try to access clc from Google Groups I get told the following.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Banned content warning
>>> comp.lang.c has been identified as containing spam, malware or other 
>>> malicious content.
>>>
>>> For more information about content policies on Google Groups, see our 
>>> Help Centre article on abuse and our Terms of Service.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Switch to free (Thunderbird and eternal-september)
>>
>> Free newsgroup host
>> https://www.eternal-september.org/
>>
>> Free newsgroup client
>> https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/
>>
> 
> I use Thunderbird and Eternal September when I'm at home. But an 
> internet service like Google Groups is useful for when travelling.
> 
> 

GG was nice to be able to provide a link that anybody could go to and 
read content, even if they never heard about usenet before. Now, all of 
those links are dead in the water! That sucks. Grrrr. ;^(

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#80668

On 5 Jul 2021 15:31, olcott wrote:
> On 6/9/2021 5:37 AM, James Harris wrote:
>> Censorious Big Tech has now reached the point of Google blocking 
>> access to comp.lang.c.
>>
>> If I try to access clc from Google Groups I get told the following.
>>
>>
>>
>> Banned content warning
>> comp.lang.c has been identified as containing spam, malware or other 
>> malicious content.
>>
>> For more information about content policies on Google Groups, see our 
>> Help Centre article on abuse and our Terms of Service.
>>
>>
>>
>>
> 
> Switch to free (Thunderbird and eternal-september)
> 
> Free newsgroup host
> https://www.eternal-september.org/
> 
> Free newsgroup client
> https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/
> 

As I recall Google has deleted the GG comp.lang.c archives. Half a year 
ago? A year? And ditto for comp.lang.java? Not sure.

At the time, in a Facebook posting I compared that to the Nazi's book 
burning.

For, it's about the same idea: remove all knowledge that one doesn't 
like. Except that it's probably an automated system, an Artificial 
Idiot, that's doing this, so "like" is probably a misnomer. But sort of.

Anyway that's breaking the promise Google made when they acquired 
DejaNews in 2001, and it shows a total lack of commitment to original 
Google values and goals.

No longer is Google collecting, storing and distributing the knowledge 
of the world.

I believe the Norwegian national digital archive still archives most of 
the old Usenet, but I'm not sure.

Also, there is an archive at the Internet Archive, <url: 
https://archive.org/details/usenet>. But I don't know what it covers or 
whether it's a still ongoing effort.


- Alf

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#80669

On 7/5/2021 11:39 AM, Alf P. Steinbach wrote:
> On 5 Jul 2021 15:31, olcott wrote:
>> On 6/9/2021 5:37 AM, James Harris wrote:
>>> Censorious Big Tech has now reached the point of Google blocking 
>>> access to comp.lang.c.
>>>
>>> If I try to access clc from Google Groups I get told the following.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Banned content warning
>>> comp.lang.c has been identified as containing spam, malware or other 
>>> malicious content.
>>>
>>> For more information about content policies on Google Groups, see our 
>>> Help Centre article on abuse and our Terms of Service.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Switch to free (Thunderbird and eternal-september)
>>
>> Free newsgroup host
>> https://www.eternal-september.org/
>>
>> Free newsgroup client
>> https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/
>>
> 
> As I recall Google has deleted the GG comp.lang.c archives. Half a year 
> ago? A year? And ditto for comp.lang.java? Not sure.
> 
> At the time, in a Facebook posting I compared that to the Nazi's book 
> burning.
> 
> For, it's about the same idea: remove all knowledge that one doesn't 
> like. Except that it's probably an automated system, an Artificial 
> Idiot, that's doing this, so "like" is probably a misnomer. But sort of.
> 
> Anyway that's breaking the promise Google made when they acquired 
> DejaNews in 2001, and it shows a total lack of commitment to original 
> Google values and goals.
> 
> No longer is Google collecting, storing and distributing the knowledge 
> of the world.
> 
> I believe the Norwegian national digital archive still archives most of 
> the old Usenet, but I'm not sure.
> 
> Also, there is an archive at the Internet Archive, <url: 
> https://archive.org/details/usenet>. But I don't know what it covers or 
> whether it's a still ongoing effort.
> 
> 
> - Alf


The archive is distributed many places. Personally I use Giganews and 
their archive goes back to 2004: $4.99 per month. All of my very old 
messages still show up in Google groups.

https://cacm.acm.org/news/248041-21-million-of-the-oldest-internet-posts-are-now-online-for-anyone-to-read/fulltext 


-- 
"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre 
minds." Einstein

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#80671 — Re: comp.lang.c blocked on Google Groups https://www.usenetarchives.com/

On 7/5/2021 11:39 AM, Alf P. Steinbach wrote:
> On 5 Jul 2021 15:31, olcott wrote:
>> On 6/9/2021 5:37 AM, James Harris wrote:
>>> Censorious Big Tech has now reached the point of Google blocking 
>>> access to comp.lang.c.
>>>
>>> If I try to access clc from Google Groups I get told the following.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Banned content warning
>>> comp.lang.c has been identified as containing spam, malware or other 
>>> malicious content.
>>>
>>> For more information about content policies on Google Groups, see our 
>>> Help Centre article on abuse and our Terms of Service.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Switch to free (Thunderbird and eternal-september)
>>
>> Free newsgroup host
>> https://www.eternal-september.org/
>>
>> Free newsgroup client
>> https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/
>>
> 
> As I recall Google has deleted the GG comp.lang.c archives. Half a year 
> ago? A year? And ditto for comp.lang.java? Not sure.
> 
> At the time, in a Facebook posting I compared that to the Nazi's book 
> burning.
> 
> For, it's about the same idea: remove all knowledge that one doesn't 
> like. Except that it's probably an automated system, an Artificial 
> Idiot, that's doing this, so "like" is probably a misnomer. But sort of.
> 
> Anyway that's breaking the promise Google made when they acquired 
> DejaNews in 2001, and it shows a total lack of commitment to original 
> Google values and goals.
> 
> No longer is Google collecting, storing and distributing the knowledge 
> of the world.
> 
> I believe the Norwegian national digital archive still archives most of 
> the old Usenet, but I'm not sure.
> 
> Also, there is an archive at the Internet Archive, <url: 
> https://archive.org/details/usenet>. But I don't know what it covers or 
> whether it's a still ongoing effort.
> 
> 
> - Alf

This archive seems to have full text from the earliest years of USENET.
https://www.usenetarchives.com/

comp.lang.c goes back to 1986
https://www.usenetarchives.com/threads.php?id=comp.lang.c&y=0&r=0&p=1

comp.lang.java goes back to 1995
https://www.usenetarchives.com/threads.php?id=comp.lang.java&y=0&r=0&p=1

-- 
Copyright 2021 Pete Olcott

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre 
minds." Einstein

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#80675

"Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach@gmail.com> writes:
[...]
> As I recall Google has deleted the GG comp.lang.c archives. Half a
> year ago? A year? And ditto for comp.lang.java? Not sure.
[...]

Please take a moment to check before making claims like that.

I just did a search on group.google.com for articles posted to
comp.lang.c in 1998, and got 14,528 results:

https://groups.google.com/g/comp.lang.c/search?q=after%3A1998-01-01%20before%3A1998-12-31

A bit of browing leads me to suspect that the archive may be
incomplete, but it definitely exists.

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com
Working, but not speaking, for Philips
void Void(void) { Void(); } /* The recursive call of the void */

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#80676

On 7/5/2021 2:13 PM, Keith Thompson wrote:
> "Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach@gmail.com> writes:
> [...]
>> As I recall Google has deleted the GG comp.lang.c archives. Half a
>> year ago? A year? And ditto for comp.lang.java? Not sure.
> [...]
> 
> Please take a moment to check before making claims like that.
> 
> I just did a search on group.google.com for articles posted to
> comp.lang.c in 1998, and got 14,528 results:
> 
> https://groups.google.com/g/comp.lang.c/search?q=after%3A1998-01-01%20before%3A1998-12-31
> 
> A bit of browing leads me to suspect that the archive may be
> incomplete, but it definitely exists.
> 

That link works, and goes to content! Thanks Keith.

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#80677

On 7/5/2021 3:32 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> On 7/5/2021 2:13 PM, Keith Thompson wrote:
>> "Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach@gmail.com> writes:
>> [...]
>>> As I recall Google has deleted the GG comp.lang.c archives. Half a
>>> year ago? A year? And ditto for comp.lang.java? Not sure.
>> [...]
>>
>> Please take a moment to check before making claims like that.
>>
>> I just did a search on group.google.com for articles posted to
>> comp.lang.c in 1998, and got 14,528 results:
>>
>> https://groups.google.com/g/comp.lang.c/search?q=after%3A1998-01-01%20before%3A1998-12-31 
>>
>>
>> A bit of browing leads me to suspect that the archive may be
>> incomplete, but it definitely exists.
>>
> 
> That link works, and goes to content! Thanks Keith.

I need to check one of my links... Can you get it to work?

https://groups.google.com/g/comp.lang.c/c/a53VxN8cwkY/m/XKl1-0a8DAAJ

This must mean that comp.lang.c is back up online wrt GG! Nice!

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#80678

On 05/07/2021 23:13, Keith Thompson wrote:
> "Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach@gmail.com> writes:
> [...]
>> As I recall Google has deleted the GG comp.lang.c archives. Half a
>> year ago? A year? And ditto for comp.lang.java? Not sure.
> [...]
> 
> Please take a moment to check before making claims like that.

In particular, there is a vast difference between "deleted" and "made
temporarily inaccessible".  Google disabled access to c.l.c and various
other groups via their groups interface.  This was, as we all know, a
completely idiotic "throw out the baby instead of the bathwater"
solution to some bad posts.  But to my knowledge, they did not /delete/
anything.  (Well, they might have deleted a few crazy conspiracy posts,
but no one will cry long about that.)

> 
> I just did a search on group.google.com for articles posted to
> comp.lang.c in 1998, and got 14,528 results:
> 
> https://groups.google.com/g/comp.lang.c/search?q=after%3A1998-01-01%20before%3A1998-12-31
> 
> A bit of browing leads me to suspect that the archive may be
> incomplete, but it definitely exists.
> 

I'm not sure it if was ever complete - did you (or anyone else) happen
to test it /before/ this nonsense?

It's good to see it is back online, anyway.

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#80679

On 7/6/21 2:22 AM, David Brown wrote:
> On 05/07/2021 23:13, Keith Thompson wrote:
...
>> I just did a search on group.google.com for articles posted to
>> comp.lang.c in 1998, and got 14,528 results:
>>
>> https://groups.google.com/g/comp.lang.c/search?q=after%3A1998-01-01%20before%3A1998-12-31
>>
>> A bit of browing leads me to suspect that the archive may be
>> incomplete, but it definitely exists.
>>
> 
> I'm not sure it if was ever complete - did you (or anyone else) happen
> to test it /before/ this nonsense?

I've been participating in Usenet newsgroups since the early 90's, and
I've tried save copies of all of my posts. Sometimes I forgot, and
sometimes I lost saved archives, but I still have 10's of thousands of
messages saved. At one time, a decade or so ago, I did spot comparisons
of my archive with Google's. For randomly chosen messages from my
archive, about 80% were available in Google. For randomly chosen
messages in Google's archives, about 90% were available in my archive.
Those numbers rough guestimates from unreliable wetware memory - if I
ever wrote my results down, I no longer remember where I saved them.

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#80681

On 06/07/2021 20:32, DFS wrote:
>
>
> How are you saving your own posts?
>
> I have various python code to pull posts off newsservers, if you're 
> interested. 


You don't need anything elaborate. When you post anything to the 
newsgroups, a copy also goes into the Sent folder by default. You can 
configure how this handled instead of everything saved to Sent folder 
but it is a different topic for Thunderbird or for any newsclient you 
are using.

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#80699

In article <sc2cng$14hm$1@gioia.aioe.org>,
Real Troll  <real.troll@trolls.com> wrote:
>On 06/07/2021 20:32, DFS wrote:
>>
>>
>> How are you saving your own posts?
>>
>> I have various python code to pull posts off newsservers, if you're 
>> interested. 
>
>
>You don't need anything elaborate. When you post anything to the 
>newsgroups, a copy also goes into the Sent folder by default. You can 
>configure how this handled instead of everything saved to Sent folder 
>but it is a different topic for Thunderbird or for any newsclient you 
>are using.

Yeah, but...

That works reasonably well, provided you are talking about the world, post,
say, about 2010, and that you are, in fact, using a Windows GUI newsclient
thingie, like, say, Thunderbird.

But, remember, the poster in question says he's been doing this since the
early 90s, and, also, at least some of us are still using basically the
same technology today to read and post to Usenet as we (and everyone else)
did in the early 90s.

-- 
The randomly chosen signature file that would have appeared here is more than 4
lines long.  As such, it violates one or more Usenet RFCs.  In order to remain
in compliance with said RFCs, the actual sig can be found at the following URL:
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#80700

On 13/07/2021 05:37, Kenny McCormack wrote:
> But, remember, the poster in question says he's been doing this since the
> early 90s, and, also, at least some of us are still using basically the
> same technology today to read and post to Usenet as we (and everyone else)
> did in the early 90s.

Surely, all news client must have a facility to save messages somewhere 
when the user sends something. Even in the 90s when Netscape and Outlook 
Express were two GUI news clients had a facility to save messages in 
sent folder.

Now in the 21st century, there is even a better way to save all your 
sent messages. The method I use is to initially save the messages in the 
local folders and on a weekly basis, I drag the messages from sent 
folder to my Yahoo account. Yahoo gives you 1TB of disk space free of 
charge so make use of it. If they decide to close their free service 
then they will give you at least 30 days notice so you'll need to find 
other means of saving your messages.

However, if you are talking of very old messages and your copies are 
lost then there is no way to get them back. In any case what is the 
point of reading what happened in 1990. The technology have changed 
quite a lot.

I am currently using Mozilla Thunderbird so it has better features and 
easy to master. there is a newsgroup for Thunderbird here: 
<news://news.aioe.org/alt.comp.software.thunderbird>. Or you could 
search for: "alt.comp.software.thunderbird" in your news client. Your 
service provider must have this newsgroup.

You can't rely on Google Groups because they are likely to be shut down 
because Google is making a loss on them. There are no ads on that news 
portal so why should they continue running it. Google is a business so 
bottom line comes before anything else.

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#80701

Real Troll <real.troll@trolls.com> writes:
>On 13/07/2021 05:37, Kenny McCormack wrote:
>> But, remember, the poster in question says he's been doing this since the
>> early 90s, and, also, at least some of us are still using basically the
>> same technology today to read and post to Usenet as we (and everyone else)
>> did in the early 90s.
>
>Surely, all news client must have a facility to save messages somewhere 
>when the user sends something. 

Nope.   See headers.  Mine will save cancelled posts to ~/dead.letter
however.

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#80702 — Re: comp.lang.c blocked on Google Groups Switch to free (Thunderbird

On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 16:45:00 +0000
Real Troll <real.troll@trolls.com> wrote:
>On 13/07/2021 05:37, Kenny McCormack wrote:
>> But, remember, the poster in question says he's been doing this since the
>> early 90s, and, also, at least some of us are still using basically the
>> same technology today to read and post to Usenet as we (and everyone else)
>> did in the early 90s.
>
>Surely, all news client must have a facility to save messages somewhere 
>when the user sends something. Even in the 90s when Netscape and Outlook 
>Express were two GUI news clients had a facility to save messages in 
>sent folder.
>
>Now in the 21st century, there is even a better way to save all your 
>sent messages. The method I use is to initially save the messages in the 
>local folders and on a weekly basis, I drag the messages from sent 
>folder to my Yahoo account. Yahoo gives you 1TB of disk space free of 
>charge so make use of it. If they decide to close their free service 
>then they will give you at least 30 days notice so you'll need to find 
>other means of saving your messages.

Given how many apparent geniuses subscribe to comp.lang.c++ I'm amazed none
of them have written their own newsreader. NNTP is quite a simple protocol
after all. I did and I'm using it now. Ok, its command line, not GUI but it
does the job and I can make it do whatever I want.

>You can't rely on Google Groups because they are likely to be shut down 
>because Google is making a loss on them. There are no ads on that news 
>portal so why should they continue running it. Google is a business so 
>bottom line comes before anything else.

Lets hope they sell/give it away first instead of just binning the entire
Dejanews archive.

However if you want a free news server use aioe.org. Obviously being an
apparent hobby server it might vanish too suddenly but I've been using it
for at least 10 years now and its still going strong.

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#80703 — Re: comp.lang.c blocked on Google Groups Switch to free (Thunderbird

MrSpud_0wmge0me@1luxp5mj4a5obrr0ws.net writes:
>On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 16:45:00 +0000

>Given how many apparent geniuses subscribe to comp.lang.c++ I'm amazed none
>of them have written their own newsreader. NNTP is quite a simple protocol
>after all. I did and I'm using it now. Ok, its command line, not GUI but it
>does the job and I can make it do whatever I want.
>

What makes you think we haven't?

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#80704 — Re: comp.lang.c blocked on Google Groups Switch to free (Thunderbird

On Wed, 14 Jul 2021 15:07:16 GMT
scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote:
>MrSpud_0wmge0me@1luxp5mj4a5obrr0ws.net writes:
>>On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 16:45:00 +0000
>
>>Given how many apparent geniuses subscribe to comp.lang.c++ I'm amazed none
>>of them have written their own newsreader. NNTP is quite a simple protocol
>>after all. I did and I'm using it now. Ok, its command line, not GUI but it
>>does the job and I can make it do whatever I want.
>>
>
>What makes you think we haven't?

Maybe some people have, but I get the impression most haven't.

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#80705 — Wheel re-invention (Was: comp.lang.c blocked on Google Groups Switch to free (Thunderbird)

In article <scn1sn$1bjk$1@gioia.aioe.org>,  <MrSpud_6q@rm5.biz> wrote:
>On Wed, 14 Jul 2021 15:07:16 GMT
>scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote:
>>MrSpud_0wmge0me@1luxp5mj4a5obrr0ws.net writes:
>>>On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 16:45:00 +0000
>>
>>>Given how many apparent geniuses subscribe to comp.lang.c++ I'm amazed none
>>>of them have written their own newsreader. NNTP is quite a simple protocol
>>>after all. I did and I'm using it now. Ok, its command line, not GUI but it
>>>does the job and I can make it do whatever I want.
>>>
>>
>>What makes you think we haven't?
>
>Maybe some people have, but I get the impression most haven't.
>

There's no need to.  Really, talk about wheel re-invention.  Hey, here's an
idea, why not write a new OS?  Who needs Linux?  Who need z/OS?  (etc)

trn (and similar, such as "tin") does everything you need, so why not use
it?  You'd spend a lot of time, just to get up to the level of
functionality of trn.  Why go through the hassle?

-- 
Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich.

	- Napoleon Bonaparte -

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