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"CppCon 2019: Herb Sutter “De-fragmenting C++: Making Exceptions and RTTI More Affordable and Usable”"

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First post2019-09-26 17:37 -0500
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  "CppCon 2019: Herb Sutter “De-fragmenting C++: Making Exceptions and RTTI More Affordable and Usable”" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2019-09-26 17:37 -0500
    Re: "CppCon 2019: Herb Sutter “De-fragmenting C++: Making Exceptions and RTTI More Affordable and Usable”" woodbrian77@gmail.com - 2019-09-27 09:24 -0700
    Re: "CppCon 2019: Herb Sutter “De-fragmenting C++: Making Exceptions and RTTI More Affordable and Usable”" rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com - 2019-09-27 09:54 -0700
      Re: "CppCon 2019: Herb Sutter “De-fragmenting C++: Making Exceptions and RTTI More Affordable and Usable”" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-09-27 19:30 +0200
        Re: "CppCon 2019: Herb Sutter “De-fragmenting C++: Making Exceptions and RTTI More Affordable and Usable”" Christian Gollwitzer <auriocus@gmx.de> - 2019-09-28 08:25 +0200
          Re: "CppCon 2019: Herb Sutter “De-fragmenting C++: Making Exceptions and RTTI More Affordable and Usable”" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-09-28 10:35 +0200
            Re: "CppCon 2019: Herb Sutter “De-fragmenting C++: Making Exceptions and RTTI More Affordable and Usable”" "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2019-09-28 01:51 -0700
              Re: "CppCon 2019: Herb Sutter “De-fragmenting C++: Making Exceptions and RTTI More Affordable and Usable”" rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com - 2019-09-28 04:55 -0700
                Re: "CppCon 2019: Herb Sutter “De-fragmenting C++: Making Exceptions and RTTI More Affordable and Usable”" Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk> - 2019-09-28 22:08 +0100
                Re: "CppCon 2019: Herb Sutter “De-fragmenting C++: Making Exceptions and RTTI More Affordable and Usable”" Frederick Gotham <cauldwell.thomas@gmail.com> - 2019-09-30 02:16 -0700
                  Re: "CppCon 2019: Herb Sutter “De-fragmenting C++: Making Exceptions and RTTI More Affordable and Usable”" rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com - 2019-09-30 02:59 -0700
                    Re: "CppCon 2019: Herb Sutter “De-fragmenting C++: Making Exceptions and RTTI More Affordable and Usable”" Frederick Gotham <cauldwell.thomas@gmail.com> - 2019-09-30 03:31 -0700
                      Re: "CppCon 2019: Herb Sutter “De-fragmenting C++: Making Exceptions and RTTI More Affordable and Usable”" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-09-30 15:22 +0200
            Re: "CppCon 2019: Herb Sutter “De-fragmenting C++: Making Exceptions and RTTI More Affordable and Usable”" Christian Gollwitzer <auriocus@gmx.de> - 2019-09-28 13:33 +0200
              Re: "CppCon 2019: Herb Sutter “De-fragmenting C++: Making Exceptions and RTTI More Affordable and Usable”" Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2019-09-28 12:37 -0700
                Re: "CppCon 2019: Herb Sutter ???De-fragmenting C++: Making Exceptions and RTTI More Affordable and Usable???" Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid> - 2019-09-29 10:09 +0000
                  Re: "CppCon 2019: Herb Sutter ???De-fragmenting C++: Making Exceptions and RTTI More Affordable and Usable???" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-09-29 12:48 +0200
                    Re: "CppCon 2019: Herb Sutter ???De-fragmenting C++: Making Exceptions and RTTI More Affordable and Usable???" legalize+jeeves@mail.xmission.com (Richard) - 2019-09-30 19:38 +0000
                      Re: "CppCon 2019: Herb Sutter ???De-fragmenting C++: Making Exceptions and RTTI More Affordable and Usable???" "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2019-09-30 13:38 -0700
                        Re: "CppCon 2019: Herb Sutter ???De-fragmenting C++: Making Exceptions and RTTI More Affordable and Usable???" "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2019-09-30 13:42 -0700
                      Re: "CppCon 2019: Herb Sutter ???De-fragmenting C++: Making Exceptions and RTTI More Affordable and Usable???" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-01 09:20 +0200
                        Re: "CppCon 2019: Herb Sutter ???De-fragmenting C++: Making Exceptions and RTTI More Affordable and Usable???" Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2019-10-01 00:58 -0700
                          Re: "CppCon 2019: Herb Sutter ???De-fragmenting C++: Making Exceptions and RTTI More Affordable and Usable???" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-01 10:58 +0200
                          Re: "CppCon 2019: Herb Sutter ???De-fragmenting C++: Making Exceptions and RTTI More Affordable and Usable???" Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2019-10-07 21:23 +0000
                            Re: "CppCon 2019: Herb Sutter ???De-fragmenting C++: Making Exceptions and RTTI More Affordable and Usable???" scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2019-10-07 22:20 +0000
                            Re: "CppCon 2019: Herb Sutter ???De-fragmenting C++: Making Exceptions and RTTI More Affordable and Usable???" Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid> - 2019-10-08 09:23 +0000
                              Re: "CppCon 2019: Herb Sutter ???De-fragmenting C++: Making Exceptions and RTTI More Affordable and Usable???" Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2019-10-08 19:47 +0000
                                Re: "CppCon 2019: Herb Sutter ???De-fragmenting C++: Making Exceptions and RTTI More Affordable and Usable???" legalize+jeeves@mail.xmission.com (Richard) - 2019-10-08 19:53 +0000
                                Re: "CppCon 2019: Herb Sutter ???De-fragmenting C++: Making Exceptions and RTTI More Affordable and Usable???" Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid> - 2019-10-09 07:02 +0000
                                  Re: "CppCon 2019: Herb Sutter ???De-fragmenting C++: Making Exceptions and RTTI More Affordable and Usable???" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-09 10:06 +0200
                                    Re: "CppCon 2019: Herb Sutter ???De-fragmenting C++: Making Exceptions and RTTI More Affordable and Usable???" Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid> - 2019-10-09 13:57 +0000
                                      Re: "CppCon 2019: Herb Sutter ???De-fragmenting C++: Making Exceptions and RTTI More Affordable and Usable???" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-09 17:29 +0200
                                  Re: "CppCon 2019: Herb Sutter ???De-fragmenting C++: Making Exceptions and RTTI More Affordable and Usable???" Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2019-10-09 09:00 +0000
                                  Re: "CppCon 2019: Herb Sutter ???De-fragmenting C++: Making Exceptions and RTTI More Affordable and Usable???" James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2019-10-09 11:09 -0400
                                    Re: "CppCon 2019: Herb Sutter ???De-fragmenting C++: Making Exceptions and RTTI More Affordable and Usable???" legalize+jeeves@mail.xmission.com (Richard) - 2019-10-09 15:40 +0000
                                      Re: "CppCon 2019: Herb Sutter ???De-fragmenting C++: Making Exceptions and RTTI More Affordable and Usable???" Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk> - 2019-10-09 17:11 +0100
                                      Re: "CppCon 2019: Herb Sutter ???De-fragmenting C++: Making Exceptions and RTTI More Affordable and Usable???" Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid> - 2019-10-10 09:32 +0000
                        Re: "CppCon 2019: Herb Sutter ???De-fragmenting C++: Making Exceptions and RTTI More Affordable and Usable???" Manfred <noname@add.invalid> - 2019-10-01 15:20 +0200
                  Re: "CppCon 2019: Herb Sutter ???De-fragmenting C++: Making Exceptions and RTTI More Affordable and Usable???" seeplus <boardmounrt@gmail.com> - 2019-09-29 05:02 -0700
            Re: "CppCon 2019: Herb Sutter “De-fragmenting C++: Making Exceptions and RTTI More Affordable and Usable”" Manfred <noname@invalid.add> - 2019-09-28 18:49 +0200
              Re: "CppCon 2019: Herb Sutter “De-fragmenting C++: Making Exceptions and RTTI More Affordable and Usable”" Manfred <noname@add.invalid> - 2019-09-28 19:50 +0200
            Re: "CppCon 2019: Herb Sutter ???De-fragmenting C++: Making Exceptions and RTTI More Affordable and Usable???" Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid> - 2019-09-29 10:06 +0000
              Re: "CppCon 2019: Herb Sutter ???De-fragmenting C++: Making Exceptions and RTTI More Affordable and Usable???" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-09-29 14:21 +0200
                Re: "CppCon 2019: Herb Sutter ???De-fragmenting C++: Making Exceptions and RTTI More Affordable and Usable???" Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid> - 2019-09-29 13:33 +0000
                  Re: "CppCon 2019: Herb Sutter ???De-fragmenting C++: Making Exceptions and RTTI More Affordable and Usable???" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-09-29 15:46 +0200
                Re: "CppCon 2019: Herb Sutter ???De-fragmenting C++: Making Exceptions and RTTI More Affordable and Usable???" Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> - 2019-09-29 15:43 +0100
          Re: "CppCon 2019: Herb Sutter “De-fragmenting C++: Making Exceptions and RTTI More Affordable and Usable”" rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com - 2019-09-28 05:05 -0700
            Re: "CppCon 2019: Herb Sutter “De-fragmenting C++: Making Exceptions and RTTI More Affordable and Usable”" Christian Gollwitzer <auriocus@gmx.de> - 2019-09-28 15:52 +0200
              Re: "CppCon 2019: Herb Sutter “De-fragmenting C++: Making Exceptions and RTTI More Affordable and Usable”" rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com - 2019-09-28 07:34 -0700
                Re: "CppCon 2019: Herb Sutter “De-fragmenting C++: Making Exceptions and RTTI More Affordable and Usable”" Bo Persson <bo@bo-persson.se> - 2019-09-28 16:47 +0200
                  Re: "CppCon 2019: Herb Sutter “De-fragmenting C++: Making Exceptions and RTTI More Affordable and Usable”" rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com - 2019-09-28 08:39 -0700
        Re: "CppCon 2019: Herb Sutter “De-fragmenting C++: Making Exceptions and RTTI More Affordable and Usable”" Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2019-09-29 04:40 -0700
      Re: "CppCon 2019: Herb Sutter “De-fragmenting C++: Making Exceptions and RTTI More Affordable and Usable”" Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2019-09-28 07:43 +1200
        Re: "CppCon 2019: Herb Sutter “De-fragmenting C++: Making Exceptions and RTTI More Affordable and Usable”" rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com - 2019-09-27 13:01 -0700
        Re: "CppCon 2019: Herb Sutter “De-fragmenting C++: Making Exceptions and RTTI More Affordable and Usable”" red floyd <dont.bother@its.invalid> - 2019-09-27 14:38 -0700
          Re: "CppCon 2019: Herb Sutter “De-fragmenting C++: Making Exceptions and RTTI More Affordable and Usable”" Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2019-09-28 10:51 +1200
            Re: "CppCon 2019: Herb Sutter “De-fragmenting C++: Making Exceptions and RTTI More Affordable and Usable”" rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com - 2019-09-27 16:11 -0700
            Re: "CppCon 2019: Herb Sutter ???De-fragmenting C++: Making Exceptions and RTTI More Affordable and Usable???" Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid> - 2019-09-29 10:17 +0000
              Re: "CppCon 2019: Herb Sutter ???De-fragmenting C++: Making Exceptions and RTTI More Affordable and Usable???" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-09-29 14:34 +0200
              Re: "CppCon 2019: Herb Sutter ???De-fragmenting C++: Making Exceptions and RTTI More Affordable and Usable???" Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2019-09-29 09:49 -0700
                Re: "CppCon 2019: Herb Sutter ???De-fragmenting C++: Making Exceptions and RTTI More Affordable and Usable???" "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2019-09-29 12:59 -0400

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#68705 — "CppCon 2019: Herb Sutter “De-fragmenting C++: Making Exceptions and RTTI More Affordable and Usable”"

FromLynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com>
Date2019-09-26 17:37 -0500
Subject"CppCon 2019: Herb Sutter “De-fragmenting C++: Making Exceptions and RTTI More Affordable and Usable”"
Message-ID<qmjeij$m4k$1@dont-email.me>
"CppCon 2019: Herb Sutter “De-fragmenting C++: Making Exceptions and 
RTTI More Affordable and Usable”"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARYP83yNAWk&t=1s

That is a 1.5 hour speech !

Lynn

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#68710

Fromwoodbrian77@gmail.com
Date2019-09-27 09:24 -0700
Message-ID<ac052cd5-0f4e-4dbd-a22c-37643b783d0c@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#68705
On Thursday, September 26, 2019 at 5:37:20 PM UTC-5, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> "CppCon 2019: Herb Sutter “De-fragmenting C++: Making Exceptions and 
> RTTI More Affordable and Usable”"
>     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARYP83yNAWk&t=1s
> 
> That is a 1.5 hour speech !
> 
  

I'm not keen on the title either.  It's more like De-fragmenting
programming.  If this goes well, we can reach out to those
who have considered C++, but chosen other languages.


Brian
Ebenezer Enterprises - Enjoying programming again.
http://webEbenezer.net

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#68712

Fromrick.c.hodgin@gmail.com
Date2019-09-27 09:54 -0700
Message-ID<11c9bfbd-0b8d-4c12-8dee-34e90776014c@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#68705
On Thursday, September 26, 2019 at 6:37:20 PM UTC-4, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> "CppCon 2019: Herb Sutter “De-fragmenting C++: Making Exceptions and 
> RTTI More Affordable and Usable”"
>     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARYP83yNAWk&t=1s
> 
> That is a 1.5 hour speech !
> 
> Lynn

The keynote with Bjarne Stroustrup was prefaced by a boy in drag.

I contacted the CppCon and told them it was inappropriate, and I would
not be watching any of their videos from that point forward.

My loss in C++ technical content.  Will have to rely on second-hand
recounts.

-- 
Rick C. Hodgin

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#68713

FromDavid Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Date2019-09-27 19:30 +0200
Message-ID<qmlgvj$8r6$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#68712
On 27/09/2019 18:54, rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, September 26, 2019 at 6:37:20 PM UTC-4, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> "CppCon 2019: Herb Sutter “De-fragmenting C++: Making Exceptions and
>> RTTI More Affordable and Usable”"
>>      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARYP83yNAWk&t=1s
>>
>> That is a 1.5 hour speech !
>>
>> Lynn
> 
> The keynote with Bjarne Stroustrup was prefaced by a boy in drag.
> 
> I contacted the CppCon and told them it was inappropriate, and I would
> not be watching any of their videos from that point forward.
> 
> My loss in C++ technical content.  Will have to rely on second-hand
> recounts.
> 

I know you don't read my posts, I know this is off-topic, and I know it 
might provoke another ridiculous sermon.  But it bothers me too much to 
see prejudice left uncommented.

The man introducing the speaker has long hair.  That is /all/.

Please stop being so judgemental and trying to find something to hate in 
everything and everyone.

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#68725

FromChristian Gollwitzer <auriocus@gmx.de>
Date2019-09-28 08:25 +0200
Message-ID<qmmud1$tbe$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#68713
Am 27.09.19 um 19:30 schrieb David Brown:
> On 27/09/2019 18:54, rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> The keynote with Bjarne Stroustrup was prefaced by a boy in drag.
>>
>> I contacted the CppCon and told them it was inappropriate

> I know you don't read my posts, I know this is off-topic, and I know it 
> might provoke another ridiculous sermon.  But it bothers me too much to 
> see prejudice left uncommented.
> 
> The man introducing the speaker has long hair.  That is /all/.

I think he was referring to that video:

https://youtu.be/u_ij0YNkFUs?t=30

The teenage boy here wears a dress.

> Please stop being so judgemental and trying to find something to hate in 
> everything and everyone.

Fully agreed. And even if one believes that God created man and woman, 
there is not the slightest indication that he created dresses 
exclusively for women. Dresses were created by humans, and Gods most 
probably as well.

	Christian

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#68727

FromDavid Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Date2019-09-28 10:35 +0200
Message-ID<qmn610$31e$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#68725
On 28/09/2019 08:25, Christian Gollwitzer wrote:
> Am 27.09.19 um 19:30 schrieb David Brown:
>> On 27/09/2019 18:54, rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> The keynote with Bjarne Stroustrup was prefaced by a boy in drag.
>>>
>>> I contacted the CppCon and told them it was inappropriate
> 
>> I know you don't read my posts, I know this is off-topic, and I know 
>> it might provoke another ridiculous sermon.  But it bothers me too 
>> much to see prejudice left uncommented.
>>
>> The man introducing the speaker has long hair.  That is /all/.
> 
> I think he was referring to that video:
> 
> https://youtu.be/u_ij0YNkFUs?t=30

That wasn't the video linked.

> 
> The teenage boy here wears a dress.

Yes.  So what?  People can wear what they want, dress as they like, 
within the standards considered acceptable to the people around in the 
context in question.  His clothes are entirely respectable - merely a 
little unusual.

And if Rick thinks that is "drag" - well, I think he should probably get 
out a bit more.  Perhaps he should go and see a real drag show, or maybe 
even /talk/ with some people who don't share his bigotry and fanaticism. 
  Perhaps he would learn that they are normal, friendly people just like 
most others.

> 
>> Please stop being so judgemental and trying to find something to hate 
>> in everything and everyone.
> 
> Fully agreed. And even if one believes that God created man and woman, 
> there is not the slightest indication that he created dresses 
> exclusively for women. Dresses were created by humans, and Gods most 
> probably as well.
> 

If you believe that a god created people as either male or female, 
falling in strict categories for biology, appearance, sexuality, 
behaviour - you have your eyes closed to reality.  And if you believe 
that a god is ordering you to hate and mistreat people who don't match 
your blinkered black-or-white viewpoint, you have misunderstood the 
message from that god.

(If you want to believe in a god that created the wide variety of people 
we see around us, and that we should be as good people as we can towards 
them all, then that's great.)

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#68728

From"Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com>
Date2019-09-28 01:51 -0700
Message-ID<qmn6uv$1vn4$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#68727
On 9/28/2019 1:35 AM, David Brown wrote:
> On 28/09/2019 08:25, Christian Gollwitzer wrote:
>> Am 27.09.19 um 19:30 schrieb David Brown:
>>> On 27/09/2019 18:54, rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The keynote with Bjarne Stroustrup was prefaced by a boy in drag.
>>>>
>>>> I contacted the CppCon and told them it was inappropriate
>>
>>> I know you don't read my posts, I know this is off-topic, and I know 
>>> it might provoke another ridiculous sermon.  But it bothers me too 
>>> much to see prejudice left uncommented.
>>>
>>> The man introducing the speaker has long hair.  That is /all/.
>>
>> I think he was referring to that video:
>>
>> https://youtu.be/u_ij0YNkFUs?t=30
> 
> That wasn't the video linked.
> 
>>
>> The teenage boy here wears a dress.
> 
> Yes.  So what?  People can wear what they want, dress as they like, 

Hey man, that kilt looks like some sort of dress... Now we must attach 
the scarlet letter. It reminds me of deductive reasoning:

https://youtu.be/H9PY_3E3h2c

This part:

https://youtu.be/H9PY_3E3h2c?t=202

[...]

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#68730

Fromrick.c.hodgin@gmail.com
Date2019-09-28 04:55 -0700
Message-ID<e01fbc14-d143-4010-aa09-01560c55a958@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#68728
Many people will consider this post "the usual drivel."  And
whereas it is along the lines of what I would post regarding
our (man's) need for salvation through Jesus Christ, it is
not "drivel."  There is ONE VOICE teaching you that it is
drivel, and that voice comes from the enemy of God, who is
actively at work in this world deceiving everyone, and all
who will not seek the truth will be deceived.

I advise you to go on a fact-finding mission to PROVE TO
YOURSELF if what I teach you is accurate or not.  Go to the
Bible with a TRUTH-SEEKING heart and a strong desire to
learn if there really is this division in man, between the
saved and the unsaved, and if you really are on either one
side or the other.

Seek like if you knew there was gold in a field and you
were digging to find it.  Uncover the things the enemy has
perverted in your knowledge in this world.  Have the goal
in your heart of NOT BEING DECEIVED, so that you will come
to the truth ... because that truth WILL make you FREE.

Consider:  I'm not asking you for money.  I'm not asking
you to join MY cause.  I'm asking you to seek THE TRUTH.
I'm asking you to investigate FOR YOURSELF with that full
truth-seeking heart.

When you do, you will find what I'm talking about, and not
because I say so, but because it's all real.

God really does exist.  He really does have a purpose for
your life.  He really is revealed in scripture, which all
points to His Son Jesus Christ, who really did come into
the world to take our sin away so we could be saved from
that judgment for sin, the righteous One entering in to
the corruption of this world to become that corruption in
our place, thereby taking it away from us, and setting us
free from it.

Look around you and see the corruption everywhere.  Even
in your own body as you get cancer, or you need glasses,
or any other host of things.

God's Kingdom is not like that.  SIN has brought about
this vile wicked world.  And God came here to save us
from it.

Put your full faith and trust in Jesus Christ.  Lean into
Him with all your weight.  He is stable and is able to
bear it all without shaking, without flinching, without a
second thought of negativity toward you regarding for all
that you place upon His shoulders.  It is His great pleasure
to set us free from sin, and bear our burdens, so that we
can be set free in this world from the weight of those bur-
dens, so that we can see the down payment of what He's given
us eternity, even while we yet remain in this world for a
time.

Read on and seek the full truth in these words:

===>

On 9/28/2019 4:51 AM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> Hey man, that kilt looks like some sort of dress... Now we must attach 
> the scarlet letter. It reminds me of deductive reasoning:
> 
> [...]

The Bible teaches that a man is not to wear a woman's clothing:

    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy+22%3A5&version=NIV;KJV

Now that is under the Law of Moses, which we are NOT under when
under the Grace of Jesus Christ, but it provides us with infor-
mation on the character and intent of God regarding us.  And just
as many things in the Old Testament and Old Covenant are still
called for Christians to do in the New Covenant, each of them
conveys the intent of God regarding our lives.

IIRC, the cross-dressing male in that video was introduced and
identified himself as "Rachel."

It was only a few years ago in this country (USA) that such a
position would've been deemed a medical condition.  It still is
actually in several circles, as not everyone buys into the new
political agenda of self-gendering as both being normal and a
right.  It is not.

God made them male and female for a reason.  It is a preface, a
preview, an example we can relate to, of what we will be (the
bride of Christ) to Jesus (our Bridegroom) in eternity, for the
Bible teaches there will be a marriage, and just as marriages
are here on Earth where all the woman has becomes the man's,
and all the man has becomes the woman's, and the two are joined
together to be one ... so it will be with us and God.

This is the promise Jesus gives us in the New Testament, in the
Bible in general, and it is the enemy of God, literally Satan
himself and his demon army, who are teaching otherwise.

Satan is a defeated foe.  Anyone following after Satan's guid-
ance will share in that defeat on the Day of Judgment.  What
Jesus offers us is salvation from that judgment, and the full
and complete redemption and restoration of our souls to the
rightful place in Heaven God created us to occupy.

God's goals for us are glorious beyond words.  Remember that
when you look out into the blue sky and the green trees and
the sandy beaches, and remember that He made ALL of this as a
mere LIFE SUPPORT SYSTEM for us.  None of that STUFF matters.

What matters is YOU.  And God is calling you to be a part of
His eternal Kingdom, restored to our true nature, which is not
just this physical flesh, but involves the spirit.

For those of you who have no idea what the spirit is, it's us
in another form.  If you've ever seen the TV show Andromeda,
where Romy is in physical form, but she's also a hologram,
and she's also the ship, that's kind of like it wish us.  We
are our soul (the ship), we are our spirit (the hologram), and
we are our body (the android).

On Star Wars, some members of council were there in physical
form.  Some came through via holograms.  That's like our phys-
ical and spiritual selves.

It's not the same, but it's something unsaved people can wrap
their thoughts around to kind of convey what it's like.  You
can read about what Jesus teaches about the flesh and spirit
in John 3:

    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+3&version=NIV;KJV

Heaven will not be like the Earth.  God didn't create a place
for us to be where there's pain, suffering, agony, hate, etc.
Sin has brought all of that about, and the enemy of God has
done his level best to convince us this is all God's doing,
when it's really his doing.

If you read the Bible on a "fact-finding mission" with a
"truth-seeking heart," then you will uncover the TRUE nature
of the things God has in store for us, and not the lies of
the enemy taught to each of us by our society, our media,
hand-me-down tales, etc.

If you think God is anything less than being EXACTLY what
you, your family, your co-workers, your friends, your neigh-
bors, everyone needs, then you do not yet understand properly.

If there was one thing that was the best thing for you, it is
literally Jesus.  He's better for you than a loving spouse.
He's better for you than a high paying job that explores your
full range of abilities and interests with grandeur.  He's
more important to you than food, or water, or even air, for
in Him (in Jesus) is the ONE WAY God has provided to restore
you from sin, to save you from judgment, to give you a path
back to His Kingdom in eternity, for we are all ALREADY on
the path to Hell, even if we don't realize it yet, and it is
exactly because of sin and the cancerous deception that sin
brings, which is so pervasive it COMPLETELY DESTROYS every-
thing it touches, which is why God has isolated it into a
sole place in His creation, the place called Hell.  Nothing
entering into Hell will EVER come out.  It is a hard barrier
between the full-on goodness and truth of His creation, and
the full-on badness and falseness of those who embrace sin.

Stop listening to the enemy's voice about who God is.  Pick
up a Bible and begin reading.  Give yourself license to go
on that fact-finding mission, to seek out the truth with
real earnest zeal.  Do not relent until you demand of what
God has provided for us the FULL TRUTH to answer every one
of your questions.  I promise you, you will find everything
you seek written within, and not all of it will come from
words on the page, but through the spirit I mentioned above,
a pledge of earnest for our full inheritance.  We will re-
ceive now, in this world, that earnest, a deposit, a type
of guarantee of what we will receive once we shed our mor-
tality, shed our corruption, and put on immortality and
incorruption.

God is real.  He's loving.  He's provisioning.  He's given
us more than we realize, including the opportunity to COME
BACK to Him despite our guilt in sin.  He doesn't want to
judge us.  He wants to forgive us.  But it will be one or
the other for every human soul.

-----
Be one who is saved.  Do not be one who is judged.  Humble
yourself before God.  Acknowledge your sin, your guilt,
and ask Jesus to save you.  He will, because it is His great
pleasure to receive a soul back into His Kingdom when they
come to repentance.  It would be like you receiving your son
or daughter back after they stopped doing the criminal or
self-destructive thing they've been doing.  To have that pre-
viously lost soul back in your life ... oh the joy!  And it
is God's great pleasure to extend to us that reception back
into His Kingdom, so that His joy may abound, as well as
ours.

Consider your future.  Everybody dies, but not everybody
needs to fear death.  Death is the gateway between our cor-
ruption and mortality here, and the incorruption and im-
mortality there.  You can read about this in Paul's writ-
ings in Ephesians and 1 Corinthians:

    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians+1%3A13-14%2C+1+Corinthians+15%3A53-55&version=NIV;KJV

There is so much information in the Bible.  It's spread out
in importance, some given here, some given there, so that
the one who looks deeply into it will see it, but the one
who casually glances only at the surface will never see it.

Seek after the TRUE KNOWLEDGE of God with a discerning
heart and a focused will.  Do it on purpose to learn the
truth and you will find it.  That's a promise from God.
And I bear witness of that promise.

-- 
Rick C. Hodgin

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#68741

FromMr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk>
Date2019-09-28 22:08 +0100
Message-ID<aZPjF.55620$F35.11803@fx14.fr7>
In reply to#68730
On 28/09/2019 12:55, rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com wrote:
> God made them male and female for a reason.
And Satan invented fossils, yes?

Will the real, bigoted, misogynist, homophobic and fucktarded Rick C. 
Hodgin please fuck off.

/Flibble

-- 
"Snakes didn't evolve, instead talking snakes with legs changed into 
snakes." - Rick C. Hodgin

“You won’t burn in hell. But be nice anyway.” – Ricky Gervais

“I see Atheists are fighting and killing each other again, over who 
doesn’t believe in any God the most. Oh, no..wait.. that never happens.” – 
Ricky Gervais

"Suppose it's all true, and you walk up to the pearly gates, and are 
confronted by God," Bryne asked on his show The Meaning of Life. "What 
will Stephen Fry say to him, her, or it?"
"I'd say, bone cancer in children? What's that about?" Fry replied.
"How dare you? How dare you create a world to which there is such misery 
that is not our fault. It's not right, it's utterly, utterly evil."
"Why should I respect a capricious, mean-minded, stupid God who creates a 
world that is so full of injustice and pain. That's what I would say."

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#68769

FromFrederick Gotham <cauldwell.thomas@gmail.com>
Date2019-09-30 02:16 -0700
Message-ID<b5741987-9538-4c13-b3f4-a7572d92445e@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#68730
On Saturday, September 28, 2019 at 12:55:24 PM UTC+1, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:

> When you do, you will find what I'm talking about, and not
> because I say so, but because it's all real.


Rick, are you doing anything in December from 20th til 30th?

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#68770

Fromrick.c.hodgin@gmail.com
Date2019-09-30 02:59 -0700
Message-ID<167ef71d-e81d-4e56-ae51-616dc447c153@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#68769
On Monday, September 30, 2019 at 5:17:06 AM UTC-4, Frederick Gotham wrote:
> On Saturday, September 28, 2019 at 12:55:24 PM UTC+1, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > When you do, you will find what I'm talking about, and not
> > because I say so, but because it's all real.
> 
> Rick, are you doing anything in December from 20th til 30th?


Private inquiries can be asked and addressed in email.

-- 
Rick C. Hodgin

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#68771

FromFrederick Gotham <cauldwell.thomas@gmail.com>
Date2019-09-30 03:31 -0700
Message-ID<33c9abd5-7a2b-4bd1-a57f-7612ff8d65ca@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#68770
On Monday, September 30, 2019 at 11:00:00 AM UTC+1, rick....@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, September 30, 2019 at 5:17:06 AM UTC-4, Frederick Gotham wrote:
> > On Saturday, September 28, 2019 at 12:55:24 PM UTC+1, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > > When you do, you will find what I'm talking about, and not
> > > because I say so, but because it's all real.
> > 
> > Rick, are you doing anything in December from 20th til 30th?
> 
> 
> Private inquiries can be asked and addressed in email.
> 


I propose to you that we discuss this publicly in the midst of the disbelievers.

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#68777

FromDavid Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Date2019-09-30 15:22 +0200
Message-ID<qmsvja$f69$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#68771
On 30/09/2019 12:31, Frederick Gotham wrote:
> On Monday, September 30, 2019 at 11:00:00 AM UTC+1, rick....@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Monday, September 30, 2019 at 5:17:06 AM UTC-4, Frederick Gotham wrote:
>>> On Saturday, September 28, 2019 at 12:55:24 PM UTC+1, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>>> When you do, you will find what I'm talking about, and not
>>>> because I say so, but because it's all real.
>>>
>>> Rick, are you doing anything in December from 20th til 30th?
>>
>>
>> Private inquiries can be asked and addressed in email.
>>
> 
> 
> I propose to you that we discuss this publicly in the midst of the disbelievers.
> 

I suspect you'll find the disbelievers will be happier for you to 
discuss private inquiries by email.

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#68729

FromChristian Gollwitzer <auriocus@gmx.de>
Date2019-09-28 13:33 +0200
Message-ID<qmnge2$u5e$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#68727
Am 28.09.19 um 10:35 schrieb David Brown:
> On 28/09/2019 08:25, Christian Gollwitzer wrote:
>> Am 27.09.19 um 19:30 schrieb David Brown:
>>> On 27/09/2019 18:54, rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The keynote with Bjarne Stroustrup was prefaced by a boy in drag.
>>>>
>>>> I contacted the CppCon and told them it was inappropriate
>>
>>> I know you don't read my posts, I know this is off-topic, and I know 
>>> it might provoke another ridiculous sermon.  But it bothers me too 
>>> much to see prejudice left uncommented.
>>>
>>> The man introducing the speaker has long hair.  That is /all/.
>>
>> I think he was referring to that video:
>>
>> https://youtu.be/u_ij0YNkFUs?t=30
> 
> That wasn't the video linked.
> 

Correct, but he referred to "the keynote with Bjarne Stroustrup" (see 
above) which was probably suggested by Youtube to him from the linked 
one. I merely tried to supplement the missing citation.

	Christian

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#68738

FromKeith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org>
Date2019-09-28 12:37 -0700
Message-ID<ln7e5s43he.fsf@kst-u.example.com>
In reply to#68729
And yet again, a bigoted troll has succeeded in turning this newsgroup's
attention to the irrelevant issues he cares about.

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org  <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
Will write code for food.
void Void(void) { Void(); } /* The recursive call of the void */

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#68749 — Re: "CppCon 2019: Herb Sutter ???De-fragmenting C++: Making Exceptions and RTTI More Affordable and Usable???"

FromJuha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid>
Date2019-09-29 10:09 +0000
SubjectRe: "CppCon 2019: Herb Sutter ???De-fragmenting C++: Making Exceptions and RTTI More Affordable and Usable???"
Message-ID<qmpvtk$u09$1@adenine.netfront.net>
In reply to#68738
Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> wrote:
> And yet again, a bigoted troll has succeeded in turning this newsgroup's
> attention to the irrelevant issues he cares about.

That's what happens when conferences that have absolutely nothing to
do with identity politics, or politics of any kind, feel the need to
virtue-signal and show off their token minority people, just to show
how virtuous and progressive they are. They end up alienating people
for no good reason, even though the conference, once again, has
absolutely nothing to do with it.

They could have left their virtue-signaling out of it, and everybody
would have been just fine with it, and no controversy of any kind would
happen. But no. They had to virtue-signal. They had to show how virtuous
and progressive they are. They had to try to score virtue points, and
introduce politics into something that doesn't need it.

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#68751 — Re: "CppCon 2019: Herb Sutter ???De-fragmenting C++: Making Exceptions and RTTI More Affordable and Usable???"

FromDavid Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Date2019-09-29 12:48 +0200
SubjectRe: "CppCon 2019: Herb Sutter ???De-fragmenting C++: Making Exceptions and RTTI More Affordable and Usable???"
Message-ID<qmq268$m5l$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#68749
On 29/09/2019 12:09, Juha Nieminen wrote:
> Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> wrote:
>> And yet again, a bigoted troll has succeeded in turning this newsgroup's
>> attention to the irrelevant issues he cares about.
> 
> That's what happens when conferences that have absolutely nothing to
> do with identity politics, or politics of any kind, feel the need to
> virtue-signal and show off their token minority people, just to show
> how virtuous and progressive they are. They end up alienating people
> for no good reason, even though the conference, once again, has
> absolutely nothing to do with it.
> 
> They could have left their virtue-signaling out of it, and everybody
> would have been just fine with it, and no controversy of any kind would
> happen. But no. They had to virtue-signal. They had to show how virtuous
> and progressive they are. They had to try to score virtue points, and
> introduce politics into something that doesn't need it.
> 

The programming world has a big problem with its image, and often it is 
seen as not being inclusive enough.  The majority of programmers are 
male, nerdy, and white.  It does no harm to make it clear that the 
programming community is happy to include people that don't match the 
"programmer norm".

Of course, the /real/ minorities that should be actively encouraged at 
programmers conventions are football fans - that must be the smallest 
minority in the programming world, compared to their proportion in the 
population at large :-)


I actually agree with you that "virtue signalling" is not a good thing 
by itself - a little subtle inclusiveness is fine, but don't go 
overboard with it.  I don't mind the alienating here - people who feel 
alienated by a guy wearing a dress can go home and few people will miss 
them.  But if people feel "we came to hear about C++, not about how its 
fine to wear different clothes", then it has gone way too far.  (Those 
that think the same thing applies to this newsgroup should learn where 
their "kill thread" newsreader command is.)


However, I for one don't know if this was a case of "virtue signalling". 
  I haven't watched the videos or investigated who this person is - so I 
can't say.  All I have to go on is Manfred's posts - where he first 
suggested it was "virtue signally", and then suggested he had been mistaken.

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#68817 — Re: "CppCon 2019: Herb Sutter ???De-fragmenting C++: Making Exceptions and RTTI More Affordable and Usable???"

Fromlegalize+jeeves@mail.xmission.com (Richard)
Date2019-09-30 19:38 +0000
SubjectRe: "CppCon 2019: Herb Sutter ???De-fragmenting C++: Making Exceptions and RTTI More Affordable and Usable???"
Message-ID<qmtlkc$659$1@news.xmission.com>
In reply to#68751
[Please do not mail me a copy of your followup]

David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> spake the secret code
<qmq268$m5l$1@dont-email.me> thusly:

>The programming world has a big problem with its image, and often it is 
>seen as not being inclusive enough.

The programming community is as inclusive as it needs to be in that
it doesn't exclude anyone.  You got the skills and the motivation
and you're in.  It's as simple as that.  It has always been this way.
Maybe in the deep south during the Jim Crow era, you would be refused
a job as a programmer in a "data center", but everyone has access to
computers and programming has never been easier and the Jim Crow era
is a distant memory to anyone who was alive at the time.

At this point, the barrier is one of individual motivation and
interest and nothing more.
-- 
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            The Terminals Wiki <http://terminals-wiki.org>
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#68821 — Re: "CppCon 2019: Herb Sutter ???De-fragmenting C++: Making Exceptions and RTTI More Affordable and Usable???"

From"Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com>
Date2019-09-30 13:38 -0700
SubjectRe: "CppCon 2019: Herb Sutter ???De-fragmenting C++: Making Exceptions and RTTI More Affordable and Usable???"
Message-ID<qmtp38$1otj$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#68817
On 9/30/2019 12:38 PM, Richard wrote:
> [Please do not mail me a copy of your followup]
> 
> David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> spake the secret code
> <qmq268$m5l$1@dont-email.me> thusly:
> 
>> The programming world has a big problem with its image, and often it is
>> seen as not being inclusive enough.
> 
> The programming community is as inclusive as it needs to be in that
> it doesn't exclude anyone. 

It language itself is 100% innocent. Anybody can choose to learn it. The 
language is fine with that.



> You got the skills and the motivation
> and you're in.  It's as simple as that.  It has always been this way.
> Maybe in the deep south during the Jim Crow era, you would be refused
> a job as a programmer in a "data center", but everyone has access to
> computers and programming has never been easier and the Jim Crow era
> is a distant memory to anyone who was alive at the time.
> 
> At this point, the barrier is one of individual motivation and
> interest and nothing more.
> 

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#68822 — Re: "CppCon 2019: Herb Sutter ???De-fragmenting C++: Making Exceptions and RTTI More Affordable and Usable???"

From"Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com>
Date2019-09-30 13:42 -0700
SubjectRe: "CppCon 2019: Herb Sutter ???De-fragmenting C++: Making Exceptions and RTTI More Affordable and Usable???"
Message-ID<qmtpb8$1qq1$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#68821
On 9/30/2019 1:38 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> On 9/30/2019 12:38 PM, Richard wrote:
>> [Please do not mail me a copy of your followup]
>>
>> David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> spake the secret code
>> <qmq268$m5l$1@dont-email.me> thusly:
>>
>>> The programming world has a big problem with its image, and often it is
>>> seen as not being inclusive enough.
>>
>> The programming community is as inclusive as it needs to be in that
>> it doesn't exclude anyone. 
> 
> It language itself is 100% innocent. Anybody can choose to learn it. The 
> language is fine with that.

Actually, every language is innocent. How many of them say to a person 
thinking about using it: "Well, you must fill out the following forms 
before you can program using myself.". None.



> 
> 
> 
>> You got the skills and the motivation
>> and you're in.  It's as simple as that.  It has always been this way.
>> Maybe in the deep south during the Jim Crow era, you would be refused
>> a job as a programmer in a "data center", but everyone has access to
>> computers and programming has never been easier and the Jim Crow era
>> is a distant memory to anyone who was alive at the time.
>>
>> At this point, the barrier is one of individual motivation and
>> interest and nothing more.
>>
> 

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