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What's your opinion? "C++ is back..."

Started byCholo Lennon <chololennon@hotmail.com>
First post2011-07-14 02:51 -0300
Last post2011-07-20 00:36 +0530
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  What's your opinion? "C++ is back..." Cholo Lennon <chololennon@hotmail.com> - 2011-07-14 02:51 -0300
    Re: What's your opinion? "C++ is back..." Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid> - 2011-07-14 09:21 +0000
    Re: What's your opinion? "C++ is back..." Lynn McGuire <lmc@winsim.com> - 2011-07-14 11:52 -0500
    Re: What's your opinion? "C++ is back..." Ebenezer <woodbrian77@gmail.com> - 2011-07-15 01:28 -0700
      Re: What's your opinion? "C++ is back..." "MikeP" <mp011011@some.org> - 2011-07-15 23:53 -0500
        Re: What's your opinion? "C++ is back..." Todd Carnes <toddcarnes@gmail.com> - 2011-07-16 12:53 +0000
          Re: What's your opinion? "C++ is back..." "MikeP" <mp011011@some.org> - 2011-07-16 15:37 -0500
            Re: What's your opinion? "C++ is back..." Todd Carnes <toddcarnes@gmail.com> - 2011-07-17 03:59 +0000
              Re: What's your opinion? "C++ is back..." "MikeP" <mp011011@some.org> - 2011-07-17 00:20 -0500
        Re: What's your opinion? "C++ is back..." Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2011-07-22 10:39 +0100
    Re: What's your opinion? "C++ is back..." David Harmon <source@netcom.com> - 2011-07-16 04:38 -0700
    Re: What's your opinion? "C++ is back..." Surinder Singh <surinder@teranews.com> - 2011-07-20 00:36 +0530

#7792 — What's your opinion? "C++ is back..."

FromCholo Lennon <chololennon@hotmail.com>
Date2011-07-14 02:51 -0300
SubjectWhat's your opinion? "C++ is back..."
Message-ID<ivm054$1js$1@speranza.aioe.org>
"C++ is Back with a Vengeance"
http://www.informit.com/guides/content.aspx?g=cplusplus&seqNum=545

What's your opinion?

Regards


PS: I'm sorry if you read comp.std.c++ (moderated) for multiposting this
message

--
Cholo Lennon
Bs.As.
ARG

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#7799

FromJuha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid>
Date2011-07-14 09:21 +0000
Message-ID<4e1eb51a$0$2835$7b1e8fa0@news.nbl.fi>
In reply to#7792
Cholo Lennon <chololennon@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "C++ is Back with a Vengeance"
> http://www.informit.com/guides/content.aspx?g=cplusplus&seqNum=545
> 
> What's your opinion?

  To be completely honest, for a time I was a bit worried that my forte,
the programming language I'm by far most fluent with, would slowly fade
into obsolescence. For many years this seemed to be strongly the case
(first with Java, although that was never the worst contended, and then
especially with C# and other higher-level .NET languages). It's nice to
see that C++ might not, after all, become obsolete anytime soon.

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#7815

FromLynn McGuire <lmc@winsim.com>
Date2011-07-14 11:52 -0500
Message-ID<ivn6sa$l3s$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#7792
On 7/14/2011 12:51 AM, Cholo Lennon wrote:
> "C++ is Back with a Vengeance"
> http://www.informit.com/guides/content.aspx?g=cplusplus&seqNum=545
>
> What's your opinion?

C++ never went away.  If you need performance, Fortran,
C and C++ are the way to go.  In fact, we are the process
of converting our fortran code to C++ for portability,
maintainability and better parallelism.

Lynn

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#7827

FromEbenezer <woodbrian77@gmail.com>
Date2011-07-15 01:28 -0700
Message-ID<c1586df3-d298-4ff3-b6b8-4c368dfb5b00@e35g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>
In reply to#7792
On Jul 14, 12:51 am, Cholo Lennon <chololen...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "C++ is Back with a Vengeance"http://www.informit.com/guides/content.aspx?g=cplusplus&seqNum=545
>
> What's your opinion?
>


C++ is still going strong.  It will be interesting to see
how things shake out.  The world isn't built on C++ though.


Brian Wood
Ebenezer Enterprises
http://webEbenezer.net

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#7862

From"MikeP" <mp011011@some.org>
Date2011-07-15 23:53 -0500
Message-ID<ivr5gb$csh$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#7827
> On Jul 14, 12:51 am, Cholo Lennon <chololen...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> "C++ is Back with a
>> Vengeance"http://www.informit.com/guides/content.aspx?g=cplusplus&seqNum=545
>>
>> What's your opinion?

It depends on what Microsoft decides. ;)

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#7873

FromTodd Carnes <toddcarnes@gmail.com>
Date2011-07-16 12:53 +0000
Message-ID<pan.2011.07.16.12.53.43@gmail.com>
In reply to#7862
On Fri, 15 Jul 2011 23:53:39 -0500, MikeP wrote:

> It depends on what Microsoft decides.

Who cares what Microsoft thinks about anything?

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#7886

From"MikeP" <mp011011@some.org>
Date2011-07-16 15:37 -0500
Message-ID<ivssq2$n3h$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#7873
Todd Carnes wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Jul 2011 23:53:39 -0500, MikeP wrote:
>
>> It depends on what Microsoft decides.
>
> Who cares what Microsoft thinks about anything?

You misquoted me: you left off the wink emoticon. To answer your question 
though, the fact is that MS has a lot of power to affect the way 
developers create software because of the omni-presence of its own 
software. If MS decides to drop C++ as a viable Windows development tool 
(incrementally maybe by creating things like "managed code" and requiring 
C++/CLI to use .Net, etc.), it can do so and you can complain all you 
want to but if you want to deploy your software on theirs, then you will 
just have to grin and bare it. (Another example: No inline assembler in 
VC++ for 64-bit Windows :( ). 

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#7902

FromTodd Carnes <toddcarnes@gmail.com>
Date2011-07-17 03:59 +0000
Message-ID<pan.2011.07.17.03.59.02@gmail.com>
In reply to#7886
On Sat, 16 Jul 2011 15:37:29 -0500, MikeP wrote:

> Todd Carnes wrote:
>> On Fri, 15 Jul 2011 23:53:39 -0500, MikeP wrote:
>>
>>> It depends on what Microsoft decides.
>>
>> Who cares what Microsoft thinks about anything?
> 
> You misquoted me: you left off the wink emoticon. 

Sorry about that. It was unintentional.

> To answer your
> question though, the fact is that MS has a lot of power to affect the
> way developers create software because of the omni-presence of its own
> software. If MS decides to drop C++ as a viable Windows development tool
> (incrementally maybe by creating things like "managed code" and
> requiring C++/CLI to use .Net, etc.), it can do so and you can complain
> all you want to but if you want to deploy your software on theirs, then
> you will just have to grin and bare it. (Another example: No inline
> assembler in VC++ for 64-bit Windows :( ).

I realize after reviewing my post that I probably came across as an 
a##hole. My question could have been worded better. Thanks responding. 
You make some good points.

Todd

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#7907

From"MikeP" <mp011011@some.org>
Date2011-07-17 00:20 -0500
Message-ID<ivtrfd$ms7$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#7902
Todd Carnes wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Jul 2011 15:37:29 -0500, MikeP wrote:
>
>> Todd Carnes wrote:
>>> On Fri, 15 Jul 2011 23:53:39 -0500, MikeP wrote:
>>>
>>>> It depends on what Microsoft decides.
>>>
>>> Who cares what Microsoft thinks about anything?
>>
>> You misquoted me: you left off the wink emoticon.
>
> Sorry about that. It was unintentional.

I was just checking. It was the important part, ya know (though you know 
now that I wasn't being COMPLETELY facetious).

>
>> To answer your
>> question though, the fact is that MS has a lot of power to affect the
>> way developers create software because of the omni-presence of its
>> own software. If MS decides to drop C++ as a viable Windows
>> development tool (incrementally maybe by creating things like
>> "managed code" and requiring C++/CLI to use .Net, etc.), it can do
>> so and you can complain all you want to but if you want to deploy
>> your software on theirs, then you will just have to grin and bare
>> it. (Another example: No inline assembler in VC++ for 64-bit Windows
>> :( ).
>
> I realize after reviewing my post that I probably came across as an
> a##hole.

It's internet, you didn't, and don't worry about it. The subtlety of text 
is EASILY misconstrued. If one WANTED to, it is EASY to make text words 
have meanings other than meant by the writer of the text. Actually, there 
are those who would/will/do EXPLOIT that subtleness. They use THEIR 
dictionairies and they own interpretations and MORE THAN SUGGEST that 
THAT is the TRUE MEANING. Forget about the writer's thoughts. The writer 
of the text is OUT OF THE EQUATION. Opportunists of evil? Indeed.

> My question could have been worded better. Thanks responding.
> You make some good points.


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#8087

FromRui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com>
Date2011-07-22 10:39 +0100
Message-ID<4e29475c$0$21649$a729d347@news.telepac.pt>
In reply to#7862
MikeP wrote:

> It depends on what Microsoft decides. ;)


Why?  In spite of microsoft's heavy investment on technologies such as C# 
and Silverlight, the market is still dominated by the incumbent 
technologies.


Rui Maciel

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#7871

FromDavid Harmon <source@netcom.com>
Date2011-07-16 04:38 -0700
Message-ID<3pCdnfG-97Du5bzTnZ2dnUVZ_s2dnZ2d@earthlink.com>
In reply to#7792
On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 02:51:32 -0300 in comp.lang.c++, Cholo Lennon
<chololennon@hotmail.com> wrote,
>"C++ is Back with a Vengeance"

"Why your next language better be C++"
http://www.i-programmer.info/professional-programmer/i-programmer/2674-why-your-next-language-better-be-c.html
  
 

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#7984

FromSurinder Singh <surinder@teranews.com>
Date2011-07-20 00:36 +0530
Message-ID<bvkVp.87844$8G4.16891@newsfe17.iad>
In reply to#7792
On 7/14/2011 11:21 AM, Cholo Lennon wrote:
> "C++ is Back with a Vengeance"
> http://www.informit.com/guides/content.aspx?g=cplusplus&seqNum=545
>
> What's your opinion?
>
> Regards
>
>
> PS: I'm sorry if you read comp.std.c++ (moderated) for multiposting this
> message
>
> --
> Cholo Lennon
> Bs.As.
> ARG
>

C++ can be pretty powerful in app design and execution. But it can also 
entangle a meek soul in memory corruptions and screwed exception 
handling across c++ libs built using different compilers.
C++ can be more punishing than Java for impulsive developers.
Java has beutiful javadocs, description for C functions is usually 
available with man pages on unix. C++ compilers should include some nice 
documentation tool with search capability. C++ certainly owns a lot of 
ground.

- Surinder

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