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"US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2016-10-08 15:02 -0500
"US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-08 14:31 -0700
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2016-10-08 16:47 -0500
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" Mr Flibble <flibble@i42.co.uk> - 2016-10-08 23:06 +0100
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" woodbrian77@gmail.com - 2016-10-08 18:52 -0700
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" red floyd <no.spam@its.invalid> - 2016-10-10 10:23 -0700
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" woodbrian77@gmail.com - 2016-10-10 14:45 -0700
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-10 15:57 -0700
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" woodbrian77@gmail.com - 2016-10-10 18:11 -0700
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-08 15:50 -0700
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" woodbrian77@gmail.com - 2016-10-08 18:50 -0700
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-08 21:38 -0700
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" Christian Gollwitzer <auriocus@gmx.de> - 2016-10-09 09:17 +0200
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-09 04:32 -0700
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2016-10-09 20:27 +0100
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-09 12:44 -0700
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2016-10-09 15:07 -0500
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-10-09 17:51 -0700
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-09 18:07 -0700
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-10-09 18:12 -0700
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-09 18:43 -0700
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-10-09 18:46 -0700
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-09 18:52 -0700
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-10-09 18:53 -0700
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2016-10-09 22:00 -0500
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-10-09 23:31 -0400
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2016-10-10 18:49 +0100
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-10 11:04 -0700
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-10-10 17:08 -0400
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-10 03:23 -0700
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-10-10 11:56 -0700
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-10 12:05 -0700
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-10-10 12:09 -0700
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-10 12:23 -0700
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-10-10 12:32 -0700
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-10 12:38 -0700
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-10-10 12:48 -0700
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-10 12:55 -0700
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-10-10 13:02 -0700
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-10-10 22:12 +0200
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-10 13:18 -0700
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-10-11 15:21 -0700
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-10-10 22:10 +0200
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-10-10 17:17 -0400
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-10 13:01 -0700
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-10-10 21:58 +0200
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-10 13:08 -0700
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-10-10 22:46 +0200
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-10-10 17:15 -0400
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-10-10 21:56 +0200
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-10-10 13:07 -0700
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-10-10 22:16 +0200
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-10-11 15:34 -0700
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 15:42 -0700
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-10-11 15:49 -0700
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-10-11 21:06 -0400
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-10-11 20:57 -0700
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-10 12:46 -0700
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-10-10 17:12 -0400
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-10-10 16:22 -0700
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" Ike Naar <ike@iceland.freeshell.org> - 2016-10-11 18:38 +0000
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2016-10-11 15:33 -0700
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-10-10 21:12 +0200
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-10 12:17 -0700
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-10-10 21:28 +0200
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-10 12:31 -0700
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-10-10 19:56 +0000
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-10-10 17:20 -0400
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2016-10-10 14:37 -0500
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" legalize+jeeves@mail.xmission.com (Richard) - 2016-10-10 19:40 +0000
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-10-10 22:03 +0200
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-10 12:41 -0700
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-10-10 22:06 +0200
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-10-10 17:21 -0400
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-10-10 18:41 -0700
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" woodbrian77@gmail.com - 2016-10-10 18:46 -0700
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-10-10 18:53 -0700
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-10-11 04:02 +0200
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-10-11 15:22 -0700
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-10-10 19:02 -0700
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 05:03 -0700
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-10-11 15:23 -0700
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-10-12 16:01 -0700
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 17:20 -0700
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-10-12 18:18 -0700
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 18:26 -0700
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-10-13 12:44 +0000
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-13 06:50 -0700
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-13 14:26 -0700
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2016-10-09 18:42 -0400
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-09 17:48 -0700
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" Real Troll <real.troll@trolls.com> - 2016-10-09 16:20 -0400
Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2016-10-10 14:38 -0500
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| From | Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-08 15:02 -0500 |
| Subject | "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" |
| Message-ID | <ntbjdg$vua$1@dont-email.me> |
"US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" http://www.osnews.com/story/29432/US_judge_end_software_patents_copyright_is_sufficient Finally. Lynn
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| From | "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-08 14:31 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <a2455729-49df-483d-a946-7d479f2528f6@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #45383 |
Lynn McGuire wrote: > "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" > > Finally. We will never truly be free until all copyright claims are also abolished. It is enough to require acknowledgement of the originating authors and those of derived works, but we must all be completely free to build atop the works of others, as God has given unto man, through man, separately and distinctly, so we would work togethetlr, with our goals being to work together for our mutual benefit and growth. We are one race, one blood, one family of man. We must work together to solve our problems and meet our needs. It is the only way that will endure, and it is the way and teaching of Jesus Christ: mankind unity through truth, through Him. Best regards, Rick C. Hodgin
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| From | Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-08 16:47 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <ntbpjf$kdl$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #45387 |
On 10/8/2016 4:31 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: > Lynn McGuire wrote: >> "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" >> >> Finally. > > We will never truly be free until all copyright claims are also > abolished. It is enough to require acknowledgement > of the originating authors and those of derived works, but we > must all be completely free to build atop the works of others, > as God has given unto man, through man, separately and > distinctly, so we would work togethetlr, with our goals being to > work together for our mutual benefit and growth. > > We are one race, one blood, one family of man. We must work > together to solve our problems and meet our needs. It is the > only way that will endure, and it is the way and teaching of Jesus > Christ: mankind unity through truth, through Him. > > Best regards, > Rick C. Hodgin Are you saying that software companies should not be able to sell their software ? Lynn
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| From | Mr Flibble <flibble@i42.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2016-10-08 23:06 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <MKudnVJNC6Ji8GTKnZ2dnUU78K3NnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #45388 |
On 08/10/2016 22:47, Lynn McGuire wrote: > On 10/8/2016 4:31 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: >> Lynn McGuire wrote: >>> "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" >>> >>> Finally. >> >> We will never truly be free until all copyright claims are also >> abolished. It is enough to require acknowledgement >> of the originating authors and those of derived works, but we >> must all be completely free to build atop the works of others, >> as God has given unto man, through man, separately and >> distinctly, so we would work togethetlr, with our goals being to >> work together for our mutual benefit and growth. >> >> We are one race, one blood, one family of man. We must work >> together to solve our problems and meet our needs. It is the >> only way that will endure, and it is the way and teaching of Jesus >> Christ: mankind unity through truth, through Him. >> >> Best regards, >> Rick C. Hodgin > > Are you saying that software companies should not be able to sell their > software ? He doesn't want coders to earn a living from their software. He doesn't want painters to earn a living from their paintings. He doesn't want sculptors to earn a living form their sculptures. He doesn't want authors to earn a living from their books. He thinks we should all be beggars as if God's grace is enough for anyone. The guy is a hypocritical bigoted fuckwit. /Flibble
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| From | woodbrian77@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2016-10-08 18:52 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <53d38bc5-6a18-4cd2-9071-df1c848de0f2@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #45389 |
On Saturday, October 8, 2016 at 5:07:06 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote: Leigh, please don't swear here. Brian Ebenezer Enterprises - Sheep may safely graze. http://webEbenezer.net
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| From | red floyd <no.spam@its.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-10-10 10:23 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <ntgiqp$vcs$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #45394 |
On 10/8/2016 6:52 PM, woodbrian77@gmail.com wrote: > On Saturday, October 8, 2016 at 5:07:06 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote: > > Leigh, please don't swear here. > > Brian > Ebenezer Enterprises - Sheep may safely graze. > http://webEbenezer.net > Fuck off with your religious shit.
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| From | woodbrian77@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2016-10-10 14:45 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <16687e22-7824-441d-ae9b-e4f96a56c08c@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #45426 |
On Monday, October 10, 2016 at 12:24:03 PM UTC-5, red floyd wrote: Even though your name is Red, I hope you won't leave this group and go to Reddit where sheep aren't able to safely graze. Brian Ebenezer Enterprises http://webEbenezer.net
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| From | "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-10 15:57 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <400156d2-f097-42da-83ec-06e32f731243@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #45470 |
We read:
http://biblehub.com/kjv/1_corinthians/10-24.htm
24 Let no man seek his own, but
every man another's wealth.
Our goals are to improve other people's lives, to increase their substance,
because our acts of giving are repaid by God in Heaven, and they
endure forever. If we receive payment here, we have our reward in
full.
Satan robs us blind by having us seek worldly gain. He wants even
those who are saved to enter eternity bankrupt (figuratively speaking):
http://biblehub.com/kjv/matthew/6.htm
19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth
and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and
steal:
20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither
moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break
through nor steal:
21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin
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| From | woodbrian77@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2016-10-10 18:11 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <7865f74c-6ac8-45d0-b956-7f1010816148@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #45474 |
On Monday, October 10, 2016 at 5:57:20 PM UTC-5, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: > We read: > > http://biblehub.com/kjv/1_corinthians/10-24.htm > > 24 Let no man seek his own, but > every man another's wealth. The King James Version is poetic and all, but isn't that great in my opinion. The New American Standard Bible translates that last verse like this: "Let no one seek his own good, but that of his neighbor." And I think writing it as: Let no one only seek his own good, but that of his neighbor. may be close to the intent. Brian
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| From | "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-08 15:50 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <6cf0129c-259f-45bc-bdbf-f017f25194d6@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #45388 |
Lynn McGuire wrote:
> Are you saying that software companies should not be able
> to sell their software ?
The Bible teaches us that we are to be paid for labor, for a service we
provide. A software app takes time to develop. Recovering that
investment is appropriate, in that it cost $10K in labor to create,
and you expect to have 10K people use it, sell it for $1 per copy,
and once you've recovered your investment, switch to a donation-
only model.
Software (and digital media in general) is also different than other
things. A person can spend a year accomplishing development
on some product, to then achieve the final form. They then, becauss
of the properties of digital media, give copies to every person with a
computer on the entire planet, and still have theirs too. This is
not true with chairs, or plates, or ties, or dog collars. It automatically
places software / digital media into another realm which must be
recognized for what it is, a preview of Heaven:
(1) Use without consumption (Moses, burning bush was not
consumed).
(2) A pattern and prompting of how to be: creating, having,
and sharing / giving.
(3) Does not degrade. Only the media it's on degrades. A
software program written in 1960 would still run the
same today on equal hardware. No rusting, no aging,
but rather it is how things will be in Heaven.
The enemy of this world twists God's gift in this area to try to be like
worldly things, when it shares none of the fundamental attributes
with them save one: our involvement in creating new things.
Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin
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| From | woodbrian77@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2016-10-08 18:50 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <53342cde-be95-4c6b-b675-fd5e0ef150d9@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #45390 |
On Saturday, October 8, 2016 at 5:52:04 PM UTC-5, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: > Lynn McGuire wrote: > > Are you saying that software companies should not be able > > to sell their software ? > > The Bible teaches us that we are to be paid for labor, for a service we > provide. A software app takes time to develop. Recovering that > investment is appropriate, in that it cost $10K in labor to create, > and you expect to have 10K people use it, sell it for $1 per copy, > and once you've recovered your investment, switch to a donation- > only model. People should be free to set prices however they want. I know it sometimes leads to high prices, but the alternative is worse -- e.g. Venezuela. Brian Ebenezer Enterprises - In G-d we trust. http://webEbenezer.net
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| From | "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-08 21:38 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <167e1703-b4f0-4ae2-aaed-b6810958e4cd@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #45393 |
Brian wrote: > People should be free to set prices however they want. The Lord commanded Adam that he would labor by the sweat of his brow until he returned to the ground. This decree by God was never rescinded, and it is evil to continue to receive gain from prior efforts of labor without ongoing labor (selling software after it's labor investment has been returned). It leads to laziness, idle hands, and all manner of time-filling activities, which are easily pursued into inappropriateness (sin). We are one people. We are supposed to be working together for the betterment of others, not ourselves, because in helping others, we also help ourselves. Not money pursuits. But people pursuits. People are alive, and money is without life, cold and static. Look at what money pursuits have done. Apple, billions cash on hand, could single-handidly initiate programs to literally end world hunger, let alone with a corporate community involvement with multiple parties. Instead, investors get rich. Apple hoards its wealth. People die by their riches. It's not supposed to be like this. The love of money is the root of all evil. And God cursed the ground for Adam's sake, to keep him busy, occupied with necessity, focused on needs, not resting in non-labor (the equivalent of selling software ongoing from prior work, no new labor, same big price). Our purposes, our goals, are people, in making their lives better. You cannot do that with a focus on money, because you cannot serve both God and money. Best regards, Rick C. Hodgin
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| From | Christian Gollwitzer <auriocus@gmx.de> |
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| Date | 2016-10-09 09:17 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <ntcquh$3ng$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #45390 |
Am 09.10.16 um 00:50 schrieb Rick C. Hodgin: > (3) Does not degrade. Only the media it's on degrades. A > software program written in 1960 would still run the > same today on equal hardware. No rusting, no aging, > but rather it is how things will be in Heaven. Have you ever heard of "software rot" or "bitrot"? The software in itself does not degrade, but the environment evolves, and at some point you can't successfully run the software any longer. Christian
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| From | "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-09 04:32 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <f5cc51ae-6e19-4337-bc8a-0049e4eb159e@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #45396 |
Christian Gollwitzer wrote: > Rick C. Hodgin wrote: > > (3) Does not degrade. Only the media it's on degrades. A > > software program written in 1960 would still run the > > same today on equal hardware. No rusting, no aging, > > but rather it is how things will be in Heaven. > > Have you ever heard of "software rot" or "bitrot"? The > software in itself does not degrade, but the environment > evolves, and at some point you can't successfully run the > software any longer. That's why I wrote, "on equal hardware." And to clarify further, digital media doesn't degrade through use. A song may be played 10K times, a program may be run a thousand times a second, it doesn't degrade. Only the hardware they run on degrades. Copy to another machine, as strong as on day one. Try that with a rug, blender, or pair of shoes. Digital media is on a whole separate realm from material things. Best regards, Rick C. Hodgin
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| From | Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-10-09 20:27 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <9vCdnYH81f2oB2fKnZ2dnUU78e-dnZ2d@brightview.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #45398 |
On 09/10/2016 12:32, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: > Digital media is on a whole separate realm from material things. It's no different to books or music, where copyright has been in place for hundreds of years. Andy
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| From | "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-09 12:44 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <00130d6e-8bd8-42a2-bbd3-491798b155c4@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #45408 |
Vir Campestris wrote: > Rick C. Hodgin wrote: > > Digital media is on a whole separate realm from material things. > > It's no different to books or music, where copyright has been > in place for hundreds of years. Books must be printed. They require harnessing of raw materials, mechanical setup, printing, shipping, distribution, and stores for sales. They wear out. Can be damaged. Digital content can be copied at leisure using the same equipment for all forms. One copy, a billion copies, one type of digital content, different types, no difference in conveyance, unlike tangible books which require libraries to have all of them sometimes. One modern hard drive can hold how many books? And with the Internet and servers, how many can receive instant copies? Everyone with a computer. Totally new paradigm in a device. Best regards, Rick C. Hodgin
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| From | Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-09 15:07 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <nte81c$sof$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #45390 |
On 10/8/2016 5:50 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: > Lynn McGuire wrote: >> Are you saying that software companies should not be able >> to sell their software ? > > The Bible teaches us that we are to be paid for labor, for a service we > provide. A software app takes time to develop. Recovering that > investment is appropriate, in that it cost $10K in labor to create, > and you expect to have 10K people use it, sell it for $1 per copy, > and once you've recovered your investment, switch to a donation- > only model. > > Software (and digital media in general) is also different than other > things. A person can spend a year accomplishing development > on some product, to then achieve the final form. They then, becauss > of the properties of digital media, give copies to every person with a > computer on the entire planet, and still have theirs too. This is > not true with chairs, or plates, or ties, or dog collars. It automatically > places software / digital media into another realm which must be > recognized for what it is, a preview of Heaven: > > (1) Use without consumption (Moses, burning bush was not > consumed). > (2) A pattern and prompting of how to be: creating, having, > and sharing / giving. > (3) Does not degrade. Only the media it's on degrades. A > software program written in 1960 would still run the > same today on equal hardware. No rusting, no aging, > but rather it is how things will be in Heaven. > > The enemy of this world twists God's gift in this area to try to be like > worldly things, when it shares none of the fundamental attributes > with them save one: our involvement in creating new things. > > Best regards, > Rick C. Hodgin Wow, that is a twisted reality. You are falsely teaching that profit is bad. I feed my family and my nine employees families with our software sales of over a million dollars per year. We do not do this for free. And my investors demand a profit. Lynn
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| From | "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-10-09 17:51 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <nteol2$e99$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #45410 |
On 10/9/2016 1:07 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote: > On 10/8/2016 5:50 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: >> Lynn McGuire wrote: >>> Are you saying that software companies should not be able >>> to sell their software ? >> >> The Bible teaches us that we are to be paid for labor, for a service we >> provide. A software app takes time to develop. Recovering that >> investment is appropriate, in that it cost $10K in labor to create, >> and you expect to have 10K people use it, sell it for $1 per copy, >> and once you've recovered your investment, switch to a donation- >> only model. >> >> Software (and digital media in general) is also different than other >> things. A person can spend a year accomplishing development >> on some product, to then achieve the final form. They then, becauss >> of the properties of digital media, give copies to every person with a >> computer on the entire planet, and still have theirs too. This is >> not true with chairs, or plates, or ties, or dog collars. It >> automatically >> places software / digital media into another realm which must be >> recognized for what it is, a preview of Heaven: >> >> (1) Use without consumption (Moses, burning bush was not >> consumed). >> (2) A pattern and prompting of how to be: creating, having, >> and sharing / giving. >> (3) Does not degrade. Only the media it's on degrades. A >> software program written in 1960 would still run the >> same today on equal hardware. No rusting, no aging, >> but rather it is how things will be in Heaven. >> >> The enemy of this world twists God's gift in this area to try to be like >> worldly things, when it shares none of the fundamental attributes >> with them save one: our involvement in creating new things. >> >> Best regards, >> Rick C. Hodgin > > Wow, that is a twisted reality. You are falsely teaching that profit is > bad. > > I feed my family and my nine employees families with our software sales > of over a million dollars per year. We do not do this for free. And my > investors demand a profit. Good for you. I wish you all the luck in the world, and more money in the future. Now, Rick wants God to be some sort of hardcore communist hive mind?
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| From | "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-09 18:07 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <f819089a-0f42-4328-8cdb-3c6a17050a92@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #45410 |
Lynn McGuire wrote: > Wow, that is a twisted reality. You are falsely teaching that profit > is bad. Profit isn't bad. A purposed pursuit of profit without labor is bad. And it's something different if you're handed wealth. Such unexpected gifts are to be uses to help God's people, to employ, gift, etc. > I feed my family and my nine employees families with our > software sales of over a million dollars per year. We do not do > this for free. There's nothing wrong with being paid for labor or service. By improving your software and offering maintenance releases, while selling new copies with the enhancements ... that's what we're supposed to do. It's ongoing labor applied to the return. The things I'm talking about are continuing to sell a product from a prior labor effort, without new labor being added to improve or fix the product, once the cost of investment is recovered. That's an active pursuit of profit beyond labor, and that's at issue. The cost of labor can also include total expenses beyond labor which are part of the cost of production. > And my investors demand a profit. This is where it can turn into something bad (if it enters into levels beyond usury, such as above savings account interest rates). It then becomes a way to retrieve new money without new labor. Best regards, Rick C. Hodgin
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| From | "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-10-09 18:12 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <ntepu0$95f$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #45416 |
On 10/9/2016 6:07 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: > Lynn McGuire wrote: [...] >> And my investors demand a profit. > > This is where it can turn into something bad (if it enters into levels > beyond usury, such as above savings account interest rates). It > then becomes a way to retrieve new money without new labor. Selling copies makes God angry? You need to get a grip on you insanity man! Is God a communist or not? A hive mind perhaps?
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