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"US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient"

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First post2016-10-08 15:02 -0500
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  "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2016-10-08 15:02 -0500
    "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-08 14:31 -0700
      Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2016-10-08 16:47 -0500
        Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" Mr Flibble <flibble@i42.co.uk> - 2016-10-08 23:06 +0100
          Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" woodbrian77@gmail.com - 2016-10-08 18:52 -0700
            Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" red floyd <no.spam@its.invalid> - 2016-10-10 10:23 -0700
              Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" woodbrian77@gmail.com - 2016-10-10 14:45 -0700
                Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-10 15:57 -0700
                  Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" woodbrian77@gmail.com - 2016-10-10 18:11 -0700
        Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-08 15:50 -0700
          Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" woodbrian77@gmail.com - 2016-10-08 18:50 -0700
            Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-08 21:38 -0700
          Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" Christian Gollwitzer <auriocus@gmx.de> - 2016-10-09 09:17 +0200
            Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-09 04:32 -0700
              Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2016-10-09 20:27 +0100
                Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-09 12:44 -0700
          Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2016-10-09 15:07 -0500
            Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-10-09 17:51 -0700
            Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-09 18:07 -0700
              Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-10-09 18:12 -0700
                Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-09 18:43 -0700
                  Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-10-09 18:46 -0700
                    Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-09 18:52 -0700
                      Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-10-09 18:53 -0700
              Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2016-10-09 22:00 -0500
                Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-10-09 23:31 -0400
                  Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2016-10-10 18:49 +0100
                  Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-10 11:04 -0700
                    Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-10-10 17:08 -0400
                Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-10 03:23 -0700
                  Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-10-10 11:56 -0700
                    Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-10 12:05 -0700
                      Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-10-10 12:09 -0700
                        Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-10 12:23 -0700
                          Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-10-10 12:32 -0700
                            Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-10 12:38 -0700
                              Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-10-10 12:48 -0700
                                Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-10 12:55 -0700
                                  Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-10-10 13:02 -0700
                                    Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-10-10 22:12 +0200
                                    Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-10 13:18 -0700
                                      Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-10-11 15:21 -0700
                                  Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-10-10 22:10 +0200
                                  Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-10-10 17:17 -0400
                                Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-10 13:01 -0700
                              Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-10-10 21:58 +0200
                                Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-10 13:08 -0700
                                  Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-10-10 22:46 +0200
                              Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-10-10 17:15 -0400
                            Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-10-10 21:56 +0200
                              Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-10-10 13:07 -0700
                                Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-10-10 22:16 +0200
                                  Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-10-11 15:34 -0700
                                    Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 15:42 -0700
                                      Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-10-11 15:49 -0700
                                        Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-10-11 21:06 -0400
                                          Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-10-11 20:57 -0700
                          Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-10 12:46 -0700
                        Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-10-10 17:12 -0400
                          Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-10-10 16:22 -0700
                        Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" Ike Naar <ike@iceland.freeshell.org> - 2016-10-11 18:38 +0000
                          Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2016-10-11 15:33 -0700
                      Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-10-10 21:12 +0200
                        Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-10 12:17 -0700
                          Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-10-10 21:28 +0200
                            Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-10 12:31 -0700
                          Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-10-10 19:56 +0000
                          Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-10-10 17:20 -0400
                    Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2016-10-10 14:37 -0500
                      Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" legalize+jeeves@mail.xmission.com (Richard) - 2016-10-10 19:40 +0000
                        Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-10-10 22:03 +0200
                      Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-10 12:41 -0700
                        Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-10-10 22:06 +0200
                      Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-10-10 17:21 -0400
              Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-10-10 18:41 -0700
                Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" woodbrian77@gmail.com - 2016-10-10 18:46 -0700
                  Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-10-10 18:53 -0700
                    Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-10-11 04:02 +0200
                      Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-10-11 15:22 -0700
                Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-10-10 19:02 -0700
                  Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 05:03 -0700
                    Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-10-11 15:23 -0700
                    Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-10-12 16:01 -0700
                      Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 17:20 -0700
                        Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-10-12 18:18 -0700
                          Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 18:26 -0700
                            Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-10-13 12:44 +0000
                              Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-13 06:50 -0700
                                Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-13 14:26 -0700
      Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2016-10-09 18:42 -0400
        Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-09 17:48 -0700
    Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" Real Troll <real.troll@trolls.com> - 2016-10-09 16:20 -0400
      Re: "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2016-10-10 14:38 -0500

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#45383 — "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient"

FromLynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com>
Date2016-10-08 15:02 -0500
Subject"US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient"
Message-ID<ntbjdg$vua$1@dont-email.me>
"US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient"
 
http://www.osnews.com/story/29432/US_judge_end_software_patents_copyright_is_sufficient

Finally.

Lynn

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#45387

From"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>
Date2016-10-08 14:31 -0700
Message-ID<a2455729-49df-483d-a946-7d479f2528f6@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#45383
Lynn McGuire wrote:
> "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient"
>
> Finally.

We will never truly be free until all copyright claims are also
abolished. It is enough to require acknowledgement
of the originating authors and those of derived works, but we
must all be completely free to build atop the works of others,
as God has given unto man, through man, separately and
distinctly, so we would work togethetlr, with our goals being to
work together for our mutual benefit and growth.

We are one race, one blood, one family of man. We must work
together to solve our problems and meet our needs. It is the
only way that will endure, and it is the way and teaching of Jesus
Christ: mankind unity through truth, through Him.

Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin

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#45388

FromLynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com>
Date2016-10-08 16:47 -0500
Message-ID<ntbpjf$kdl$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#45387
On 10/8/2016 4:31 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient"
>>
>> Finally.
>
> We will never truly be free until all copyright claims are also
> abolished. It is enough to require acknowledgement
> of the originating authors and those of derived works, but we
> must all be completely free to build atop the works of others,
> as God has given unto man, through man, separately and
> distinctly, so we would work togethetlr, with our goals being to
> work together for our mutual benefit and growth.
>
> We are one race, one blood, one family of man. We must work
> together to solve our problems and meet our needs. It is the
> only way that will endure, and it is the way and teaching of Jesus
> Christ: mankind unity through truth, through Him.
>
> Best regards,
> Rick C. Hodgin

Are you saying that software companies should not be able to sell their 
software ?

Lynn

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#45389

FromMr Flibble <flibble@i42.co.uk>
Date2016-10-08 23:06 +0100
Message-ID<MKudnVJNC6Ji8GTKnZ2dnUU78K3NnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#45388
On 08/10/2016 22:47, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 10/8/2016 4:31 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>> Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>> "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient"
>>>
>>> Finally.
>>
>> We will never truly be free until all copyright claims are also
>> abolished. It is enough to require acknowledgement
>> of the originating authors and those of derived works, but we
>> must all be completely free to build atop the works of others,
>> as God has given unto man, through man, separately and
>> distinctly, so we would work togethetlr, with our goals being to
>> work together for our mutual benefit and growth.
>>
>> We are one race, one blood, one family of man. We must work
>> together to solve our problems and meet our needs. It is the
>> only way that will endure, and it is the way and teaching of Jesus
>> Christ: mankind unity through truth, through Him.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Rick C. Hodgin
>
> Are you saying that software companies should not be able to sell their
> software ?

He doesn't want coders to earn a living from their software.  He doesn't 
want painters to earn a living from their paintings.  He doesn't want 
sculptors to earn a living form their sculptures.  He doesn't want 
authors to earn a living from their books.  He thinks we should all be 
beggars as if God's grace is enough for anyone.  The guy is a 
hypocritical bigoted fuckwit.

/Flibble

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#45394

Fromwoodbrian77@gmail.com
Date2016-10-08 18:52 -0700
Message-ID<53d38bc5-6a18-4cd2-9071-df1c848de0f2@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#45389
On Saturday, October 8, 2016 at 5:07:06 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:

Leigh, please don't swear here.

Brian
Ebenezer Enterprises - Sheep may safely graze.
http://webEbenezer.net

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#45426

Fromred floyd <no.spam@its.invalid>
Date2016-10-10 10:23 -0700
Message-ID<ntgiqp$vcs$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#45394
On 10/8/2016 6:52 PM, woodbrian77@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, October 8, 2016 at 5:07:06 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
>
> Leigh, please don't swear here.
>
> Brian
> Ebenezer Enterprises - Sheep may safely graze.
> http://webEbenezer.net
>
Fuck off with your religious shit.

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#45470

Fromwoodbrian77@gmail.com
Date2016-10-10 14:45 -0700
Message-ID<16687e22-7824-441d-ae9b-e4f96a56c08c@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#45426
On Monday, October 10, 2016 at 12:24:03 PM UTC-5, red floyd wrote:

Even though your name is Red, I hope you won't
leave this group and go to Reddit where sheep
aren't able to safely graze.


Brian
Ebenezer Enterprises
http://webEbenezer.net

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#45474

From"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>
Date2016-10-10 15:57 -0700
Message-ID<400156d2-f097-42da-83ec-06e32f731243@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#45470
We read:

    http://biblehub.com/kjv/1_corinthians/10-24.htm

    24 Let no man seek his own, but
       every man another's wealth.

Our goals are to improve other people's lives, to increase their substance,
because our acts of giving are repaid by God in Heaven, and they
endure forever.  If we receive payment here, we have our reward in
full.

Satan robs us blind by having us seek worldly gain.  He wants even
those who are saved to enter eternity bankrupt (figuratively speaking):

    http://biblehub.com/kjv/matthew/6.htm

     19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth
       and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and
       steal:
    20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither
       moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break
       through nor steal:
    21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also. 

Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin

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#45477

Fromwoodbrian77@gmail.com
Date2016-10-10 18:11 -0700
Message-ID<7865f74c-6ac8-45d0-b956-7f1010816148@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#45474
On Monday, October 10, 2016 at 5:57:20 PM UTC-5, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> We read:
> 
>     http://biblehub.com/kjv/1_corinthians/10-24.htm
> 
>     24 Let no man seek his own, but
>        every man another's wealth.

The King James Version is poetic and all, but
isn't that great in my opinion.  The New American
Standard Bible translates that last verse like this:

"Let no one seek his own good, but that of his neighbor."

And I think writing it as:

Let no one only seek his own good, but that of his neighbor.

may be close to the intent.


Brian

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#45390

From"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>
Date2016-10-08 15:50 -0700
Message-ID<6cf0129c-259f-45bc-bdbf-f017f25194d6@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#45388
Lynn McGuire wrote:
> Are you saying that software companies should not be able
> to sell their software ?

The Bible teaches us that we are to be paid for labor, for a service we
provide.  A software app takes time to develop.  Recovering that
investment is appropriate, in that it cost $10K in labor to create,
and you expect to have 10K people use it, sell it for $1 per copy,
and once you've recovered your investment, switch to a donation-
only model.

Software (and digital media in general) is also different than other
things.  A person can spend a year accomplishing development
on some product, to then achieve the final form.  They then, becauss
of the properties of digital media, give copies to every person with a
computer on the entire planet, and still have theirs too.  This is
not true with chairs, or plates, or ties, or dog collars.  It automatically
places software / digital media into another realm which must be
recognized for what it is, a preview of Heaven:

    (1)  Use without consumption (Moses, burning bush was not
         consumed).
    (2)  A pattern and prompting of how to be:  creating, having,
         and sharing / giving.
    (3)  Does not degrade.  Only the media it's on degrades.  A
         software program written in 1960 would still run the
         same today on equal hardware.  No rusting, no aging,
         but rather it is how things will be in Heaven.

The enemy of this world twists God's gift in this area to try to be like
worldly things, when it shares none of the fundamental attributes
with them save one:  our involvement in creating new things.

Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin

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#45393

Fromwoodbrian77@gmail.com
Date2016-10-08 18:50 -0700
Message-ID<53342cde-be95-4c6b-b675-fd5e0ef150d9@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#45390
On Saturday, October 8, 2016 at 5:52:04 PM UTC-5, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> Lynn McGuire wrote:
> > Are you saying that software companies should not be able
> > to sell their software ?
> 
> The Bible teaches us that we are to be paid for labor, for a service we
> provide.  A software app takes time to develop.  Recovering that
> investment is appropriate, in that it cost $10K in labor to create,
> and you expect to have 10K people use it, sell it for $1 per copy,
> and once you've recovered your investment, switch to a donation-
> only model.

People should be free to set prices however they want.
I know it sometimes leads to high prices, but the alternative 
is worse -- e.g. Venezuela.

Brian
Ebenezer Enterprises - In G-d we trust.
http://webEbenezer.net

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#45395

From"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>
Date2016-10-08 21:38 -0700
Message-ID<167e1703-b4f0-4ae2-aaed-b6810958e4cd@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#45393
Brian wrote:
> People should be free to set prices however they want.

The Lord commanded Adam that he would labor by the sweat of
his brow until he returned to the ground.  This decree by God was
never rescinded, and it is evil to continue to receive gain from prior
efforts of labor without ongoing labor (selling software after it's labor
investment has been returned).  It leads to laziness, idle hands, and
all manner of time-filling activities, which are easily pursued into
inappropriateness (sin).

We are one people.  We are supposed to be working together
for the betterment of others, not ourselves, because in helping
others, we also help ourselves.

Not money pursuits.  But people pursuits.  People are alive, and
money is without life, cold and static.

Look at what money pursuits have done.  Apple, billions cash on
hand, could single-handidly initiate programs to literally end world
hunger, let alone with a corporate community involvement with
multiple parties.  Instead, investors get rich.  Apple hoards its
wealth.  People die by their riches.

It's not supposed to be like this.  The love of money is the root
of all evil.  And God cursed the ground for Adam's sake, to keep
him busy, occupied with necessity, focused on needs, not resting in
non-labor (the equivalent of selling software ongoing from prior
work, no new labor, same big price).

Our purposes, our goals, are people, in making their lives better.
You cannot do that with a focus on money, because you cannot
serve both God and money.

Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin

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#45396

FromChristian Gollwitzer <auriocus@gmx.de>
Date2016-10-09 09:17 +0200
Message-ID<ntcquh$3ng$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#45390
Am 09.10.16 um 00:50 schrieb Rick C. Hodgin:
>     (3)  Does not degrade.  Only the media it's on degrades.  A
>          software program written in 1960 would still run the
>          same today on equal hardware.  No rusting, no aging,
>          but rather it is how things will be in Heaven.

Have you ever heard of "software rot" or "bitrot"? The software in 
itself does not degrade, but the environment evolves, and at some point 
you can't successfully run the software any longer.

	Christian

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#45398

From"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>
Date2016-10-09 04:32 -0700
Message-ID<f5cc51ae-6e19-4337-bc8a-0049e4eb159e@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#45396
Christian Gollwitzer wrote:
> Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > (3) Does not degrade. Only the media it's on degrades. A
> > software program written in 1960 would still run the
> > same today on equal hardware. No rusting, no aging,
> > but rather it is how things will be in Heaven.
>
> Have you ever heard of "software rot" or "bitrot"? The
> software in itself does not degrade, but the environment
> evolves, and at some point you can't successfully run the
> software any longer.

That's why I wrote, "on equal hardware."

And to clarify further, digital media doesn't degrade through use.
A song may be played 10K times, a program may be run a thousand
times a second, it doesn't degrade.  Only the hardware they run on
degrades.  Copy to another machine, as strong as on day one.

Try that with a rug, blender, or pair of shoes.

Digital media is on a whole separate realm from material things.

Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin

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#45408

FromVir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid>
Date2016-10-09 20:27 +0100
Message-ID<9vCdnYH81f2oB2fKnZ2dnUU78e-dnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>
In reply to#45398
On 09/10/2016 12:32, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> Digital media is on a whole separate realm from material things.

It's no different to books or music, where copyright has been in place 
for hundreds of years.

Andy

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#45409

From"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>
Date2016-10-09 12:44 -0700
Message-ID<00130d6e-8bd8-42a2-bbd3-491798b155c4@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#45408
Vir Campestris wrote:
> Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > Digital media is on a whole separate realm from material things.
>
> It's no different to books or music, where copyright has been
> in place for hundreds of years.

Books must be printed.  They require harnessing of raw materials,
mechanical setup, printing, shipping, distribution, and stores for sales.  They wear out.  Can be damaged.

Digital content can be copied at leisure using the same equipment
for all forms.  One copy, a billion copies, one type of digital content,
different types, no difference in conveyance, unlike tangible books
which require libraries to have all of them sometimes.

One modern hard drive can hold how many books?  And with
the Internet and servers, how many can receive instant copies?
Everyone with a computer.

Totally new paradigm in a device.

Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin

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#45410

FromLynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com>
Date2016-10-09 15:07 -0500
Message-ID<nte81c$sof$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#45390
On 10/8/2016 5:50 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> Are you saying that software companies should not be able
>> to sell their software ?
>
> The Bible teaches us that we are to be paid for labor, for a service we
> provide.  A software app takes time to develop.  Recovering that
> investment is appropriate, in that it cost $10K in labor to create,
> and you expect to have 10K people use it, sell it for $1 per copy,
> and once you've recovered your investment, switch to a donation-
> only model.
>
> Software (and digital media in general) is also different than other
> things.  A person can spend a year accomplishing development
> on some product, to then achieve the final form.  They then, becauss
> of the properties of digital media, give copies to every person with a
> computer on the entire planet, and still have theirs too.  This is
> not true with chairs, or plates, or ties, or dog collars.  It automatically
> places software / digital media into another realm which must be
> recognized for what it is, a preview of Heaven:
>
>     (1)  Use without consumption (Moses, burning bush was not
>          consumed).
>     (2)  A pattern and prompting of how to be:  creating, having,
>          and sharing / giving.
>     (3)  Does not degrade.  Only the media it's on degrades.  A
>          software program written in 1960 would still run the
>          same today on equal hardware.  No rusting, no aging,
>          but rather it is how things will be in Heaven.
>
> The enemy of this world twists God's gift in this area to try to be like
> worldly things, when it shares none of the fundamental attributes
> with them save one:  our involvement in creating new things.
>
> Best regards,
> Rick C. Hodgin

Wow, that is a twisted reality.  You are falsely teaching that profit is 
bad.

I feed my family and my nine employees families with our software sales 
of over a million dollars per year.  We do not do this for free.  And my 
investors demand a profit.

Lynn

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#45415

From"Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid>
Date2016-10-09 17:51 -0700
Message-ID<nteol2$e99$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#45410
On 10/9/2016 1:07 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 10/8/2016 5:50 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>> Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>> Are you saying that software companies should not be able
>>> to sell their software ?
>>
>> The Bible teaches us that we are to be paid for labor, for a service we
>> provide.  A software app takes time to develop.  Recovering that
>> investment is appropriate, in that it cost $10K in labor to create,
>> and you expect to have 10K people use it, sell it for $1 per copy,
>> and once you've recovered your investment, switch to a donation-
>> only model.
>>
>> Software (and digital media in general) is also different than other
>> things.  A person can spend a year accomplishing development
>> on some product, to then achieve the final form.  They then, becauss
>> of the properties of digital media, give copies to every person with a
>> computer on the entire planet, and still have theirs too.  This is
>> not true with chairs, or plates, or ties, or dog collars.  It
>> automatically
>> places software / digital media into another realm which must be
>> recognized for what it is, a preview of Heaven:
>>
>>     (1)  Use without consumption (Moses, burning bush was not
>>          consumed).
>>     (2)  A pattern and prompting of how to be:  creating, having,
>>          and sharing / giving.
>>     (3)  Does not degrade.  Only the media it's on degrades.  A
>>          software program written in 1960 would still run the
>>          same today on equal hardware.  No rusting, no aging,
>>          but rather it is how things will be in Heaven.
>>
>> The enemy of this world twists God's gift in this area to try to be like
>> worldly things, when it shares none of the fundamental attributes
>> with them save one:  our involvement in creating new things.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Rick C. Hodgin
>
> Wow, that is a twisted reality.  You are falsely teaching that profit is
> bad.
>
> I feed my family and my nine employees families with our software sales
> of over a million dollars per year.  We do not do this for free.  And my
> investors demand a profit.

Good for you. I wish you all the luck in the world, and more money in 
the future.

Now, Rick wants God to be some sort of hardcore communist hive mind?

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#45416

From"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>
Date2016-10-09 18:07 -0700
Message-ID<f819089a-0f42-4328-8cdb-3c6a17050a92@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#45410
Lynn McGuire wrote:
> Wow, that is a twisted reality. You are falsely teaching that profit
> is bad.

Profit isn't bad.  A purposed pursuit of profit without labor is bad.
And it's something different if you're handed wealth.  Such unexpected
gifts are to be uses to help God's people, to employ, gift, etc.

> I feed my family and my nine employees families with our
> software sales of over a million dollars per year. We do not do
> this for free.

There's nothing wrong with being paid for labor or service.  By improving
your software and offering maintenance releases, while selling new
copies with the enhancements ... that's what we're supposed to do.
It's ongoing labor applied to the return.

The things I'm talking about are continuing to sell a product from a
prior labor effort, without new labor being added to improve or
fix the product, once the cost of investment is recovered.  That's an
active pursuit of profit beyond labor, and that's at issue.  The cost of
labor can also include total expenses beyond labor which are part
of the cost of production.

> And my investors demand a profit.

This is where it can turn into something bad (if it enters into levels
beyond usury, such as above savings account interest rates).  It
then becomes a way to retrieve new money without new labor.

Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin

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#45417

From"Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid>
Date2016-10-09 18:12 -0700
Message-ID<ntepu0$95f$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#45416
On 10/9/2016 6:07 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> Lynn McGuire wrote:
[...]
>> And my investors demand a profit.
>
> This is where it can turn into something bad (if it enters into levels
> beyond usury, such as above savings account interest rates).  It
> then becomes a way to retrieve new money without new labor.

Selling copies makes God angry? You need to get a grip on you insanity man!

Is God a communist or not? A hive mind perhaps?

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