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| Started by | Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2026-01-23 21:35 -0600 |
| Last post | 2026-02-03 17:32 -0600 |
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"Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-01-23 21:35 -0600
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-24 04:46 +0000
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Gary Scott <garylscott@sbcglobal.net> - 2026-01-24 10:11 -0600
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-01-25 17:13 +0000
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-01-25 15:21 -0600
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-01-26 01:00 +0100
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-26 15:04 +0000
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-26 01:42 +0000
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-01-26 00:45 -0600
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-01-26 14:17 +0200
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-01-26 16:50 -0600
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-01-26 09:07 +0100
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Paavo Helde <eesnimi@osa.pri.ee> - 2026-01-30 14:56 +0200
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-01-30 14:37 +0100
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-01-30 20:28 +0000
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-01-31 12:50 +0100
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" G <g@nowhere.invalid> - 2026-01-31 18:50 +0000
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Gary Scott <garylscott@sbcglobal.net> - 2026-01-31 16:10 -0600
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" ImperiusDamian <dgwrightauthor@gmail.com> - 2026-01-31 21:08 -0500
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-01 09:06 +0000
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2026-02-02 11:18 +0100
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-02 21:23 +0000
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2026-02-03 10:33 +0100
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-03 21:29 +0000
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-02-01 11:18 +0100
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Gary Scott <garylscott@sbcglobal.net> - 2026-02-01 08:28 -0600
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-02-01 09:42 +0000
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-02-01 11:35 +0100
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-02-01 12:21 -0500
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-02-01 23:01 +0100
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-02-01 19:11 -0500
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-02 04:31 +0000
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-02-02 11:27 +0100
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-02-02 12:49 +0200
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-02-02 13:14 +0100
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-02-02 16:07 +0100
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-02-02 09:36 -0500
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-02-02 16:01 +0100
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-02-02 16:19 +0100
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-01-26 22:47 +0000
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-01-26 16:51 -0600
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-27 05:17 +0000
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-01-27 06:45 +0000
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-01-27 01:46 -0600
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-01-27 00:14 -0800
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-27 15:22 +0000
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-01-27 12:33 -0800
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-01-27 11:04 +0200
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Gary Scott <garylscott@sbcglobal.net> - 2026-01-27 08:35 -0600
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-27 15:21 +0000
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2026-01-31 02:06 +0000
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> - 2026-02-02 21:02 +0100
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> - 2026-02-02 21:13 +0100
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-02 21:25 +0000
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-02-03 10:54 +0200
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> - 2026-02-03 10:44 +0100
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-02-03 09:47 -0500
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> - 2026-02-03 16:02 +0100
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-02-04 08:45 -0500
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-03 21:32 +0000
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> - 2026-02-03 22:56 +0100
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-04 00:15 +0000
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> - 2026-02-04 09:37 +0100
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-02-03 17:28 -0600
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-04 00:14 +0000
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-02-03 20:17 -0600
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-04 04:57 +0000
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-02-04 08:54 -0500
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-02-04 16:43 -0600
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-05 09:09 +0000
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-02-05 15:47 -0600
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-05 22:35 +0000
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-02-04 15:44 +0000
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-02-04 16:53 -0600
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-05 09:10 +0000
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-02-05 12:10 +0200
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-02-07 09:23 +0000
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-02-09 15:25 -0600
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-02-04 14:24 +0200
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> - 2026-02-04 16:57 +0100
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> - 2026-02-04 17:16 +0100
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-02-04 16:57 -0600
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-05 09:11 +0000
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-02-04 16:55 -0600
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-02-05 12:24 +0200
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-02-04 19:20 +0000
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-02-04 17:07 -0600
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-02-05 07:23 +0000
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-05 09:14 +0000
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-02-05 16:01 -0600
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-05 22:30 +0000
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-02-05 20:22 -0600
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-06 04:50 +0000
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-02-05 23:52 -0600
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Harold Stevens <wookie@aspen.localdomain> - 2026-02-06 04:24 -0600
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-02-05 12:02 +0200
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-02-05 18:38 +0000
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-02-13 17:21 -0600
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-02-05 11:13 +0100
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-02-05 15:58 -0600
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-02-07 19:15 +0000
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-07 20:34 +0000
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-02-08 08:58 +0000
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-02-08 04:07 -0800
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-02-08 15:39 +0200
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-08 23:35 +0000
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-02-09 15:33 -0600
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-10 20:55 +0000
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-02-10 18:57 -0600
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-11 05:57 +0000
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-02-11 14:32 +0100
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-02-11 20:46 +0000
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-02-09 15:29 -0600
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-02-10 06:10 +0000
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-02-09 15:32 -0600
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-02-10 06:07 +0000
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-10 20:17 +0000
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-02-10 20:07 -0600
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-11 05:54 +0000
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-02-11 14:42 +0100
Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-02-03 17:32 -0600
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| From | Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-01-26 16:51 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <10l8r60$2tekr$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #123344 |
On 1/26/2026 4:47 PM, Thomas Koenig wrote: > Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> schrieb: > >> I started writing Fortran code in 1975 for one of my dad's programmers >> when I was 14. Dad was always selling the future capabilities of the >> software, more than the software did or was even designed to do. > > Sounds an awful lot like Bill Gates, but he even sold software > that had not even been written. There is a story where he wrote a > Fortran compiler, which failed tests and was therefore not accepted, > and he refused to fix the bugs. Powerstation. Very buggy. Several service packs. I could never get it to work properly. Lynn
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-27 05:17 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10l9hoo$3coil$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #123344 |
On Mon, 26 Jan 2026 22:47:33 -0000 (UTC), Thomas Koenig wrote: > There is a story where he wrote a Fortran compiler, which failed > tests and was therefore not accepted, and he refused to fix the > bugs. Who was dumb enough to buy that?
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| From | Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> |
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| Date | 2026-01-27 06:45 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10l9mui$3dvnh$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #123347 |
Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> schrieb: > On Mon, 26 Jan 2026 22:47:33 -0000 (UTC), Thomas Koenig wrote: > >> There is a story where he wrote a Fortran compiler, which failed >> tests and was therefore not accepted, and he refused to fix the >> bugs. > > Who was dumb enough to buy that? They didn't, it was not accepted. Unfortunately, the story itself seems to have vanished from the Internet, or at least I cannot find it with Google any more. -- This USENET posting was made without artificial intelligence, artificial impertinence, artificial arrogance, artificial stupidity, artificial flavorings or artificial colorants.
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| From | Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-01-27 01:46 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <10l9qh3$3eqo4$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #123348 |
On 1/27/2026 12:45 AM, Thomas Koenig wrote: > Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> schrieb: >> On Mon, 26 Jan 2026 22:47:33 -0000 (UTC), Thomas Koenig wrote: >> >>> There is a story where he wrote a Fortran compiler, which failed >>> tests and was therefore not accepted, and he refused to fix the >>> bugs. >> >> Who was dumb enough to buy that? > > They didn't, it was not accepted. > > Unfortunately, the story itself seems to have vanished from the > Internet, or at least I cannot find it with Google any more. If I remember correctly, Microsoft licensed somebody else's Fortran 90 compiler and relabeled it. Lynn
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| From | "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-01-27 00:14 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <10l9s5m$3f6gd$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #123349 |
On 1/26/2026 11:46 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote: > On 1/27/2026 12:45 AM, Thomas Koenig wrote: >> Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> schrieb: >>> On Mon, 26 Jan 2026 22:47:33 -0000 (UTC), Thomas Koenig wrote: >>> >>>> There is a story where he wrote a Fortran compiler, which failed >>>> tests and was therefore not accepted, and he refused to fix the >>>> bugs. >>> >>> Who was dumb enough to buy that? >> >> They didn't, it was not accepted. >> >> Unfortunately, the story itself seems to have vanished from the >> Internet, or at least I cannot find it with Google any more. > > If I remember correctly, Microsoft licensed somebody else's Fortran 90 > compiler and relabeled it. Kind of reminded me of, god what was that C++ std lib they licensed for msvc 6.0. Damn I cannot remember the name right now... search... Dinkumware! Ahhh.
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| From | scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) |
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| Date | 2026-01-27 15:22 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <dL4eR.466446$Cpid.367035@fx39.iad> |
| In reply to | #123351 |
"Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> writes: >On 1/26/2026 11:46 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote: >> On 1/27/2026 12:45 AM, Thomas Koenig wrote: >>> Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> schrieb: >>>> On Mon, 26 Jan 2026 22:47:33 -0000 (UTC), Thomas Koenig wrote: >>>> >>>>> There is a story where he wrote a Fortran compiler, which failed >>>>> tests and was therefore not accepted, and he refused to fix the >>>>> bugs. >>>> >>>> Who was dumb enough to buy that? >>> >>> They didn't, it was not accepted. >>> >>> Unfortunately, the story itself seems to have vanished from the >>> Internet, or at least I cannot find it with Google any more. >> >> If I remember correctly, Microsoft licensed somebody else's Fortran 90 >> compiler and relabeled it. > >Kind of reminded me of, god what was that C++ std lib they licensed for >msvc 6.0. Damn I cannot remember the name right now... search... >Dinkumware! Ahhh. To be fair dinkum about it, the company name was not derogatory.
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| From | "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-01-27 12:33 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <10lb7e5$3stff$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #123356 |
On 1/27/2026 7:22 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote: > "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> writes: >> On 1/26/2026 11:46 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote: >>> On 1/27/2026 12:45 AM, Thomas Koenig wrote: >>>> Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> schrieb: >>>>> On Mon, 26 Jan 2026 22:47:33 -0000 (UTC), Thomas Koenig wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> There is a story where he wrote a Fortran compiler, which failed >>>>>> tests and was therefore not accepted, and he refused to fix the >>>>>> bugs. >>>>> >>>>> Who was dumb enough to buy that? >>>> >>>> They didn't, it was not accepted. >>>> >>>> Unfortunately, the story itself seems to have vanished from the >>>> Internet, or at least I cannot find it with Google any more. >>> >>> If I remember correctly, Microsoft licensed somebody else's Fortran 90 >>> compiler and relabeled it. >> >> Kind of reminded me of, god what was that C++ std lib they licensed for >> msvc 6.0. Damn I cannot remember the name right now... search... >> Dinkumware! Ahhh. > > > To be fair dinkum about it, the company name was not derogatory. :^) Iirc, MSVC 6 seemed to have better C support than C++? God that was way back in late 1990's early 2000's. That was back when I was using NT 4.0 and Solaris a lot.
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| From | Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2026-01-27 11:04 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <20260127110436.000002b4@yahoo.com> |
| In reply to | #123349 |
On Tue, 27 Jan 2026 01:46:43 -0600 Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote: > On 1/27/2026 12:45 AM, Thomas Koenig wrote: > > Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> schrieb: > >> On Mon, 26 Jan 2026 22:47:33 -0000 (UTC), Thomas Koenig wrote: > >> > >>> There is a story where he wrote a Fortran compiler, which failed > >>> tests and was therefore not accepted, and he refused to fix the > >>> bugs. > >> > >> Who was dumb enough to buy that? > > > > They didn't, it was not accepted. > > > > Unfortunately, the story itself seems to have vanished from the > > Internet, or at least I cannot find it with Google any more. > > If I remember correctly, Microsoft licensed somebody else's Fortran > 90 compiler and relabeled it. > > Lynn > There is a big chance that you don't remember correctly. At least it is different, not to say opposite, from the story that I read in other places. They say that when Microsoft found out that support for F90 is necessary for continuation of their Fortran business then they decided that their compilers stuff has more important things to do. So they sold their compiler sources and Powerstation brand to Digital that later became Compaq and later yet before merger with HP sold it to Intel where it either replaced Intel's own Fortran compiler or was merged with it. The last part of the story is not conclusive.
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| From | Gary Scott <garylscott@sbcglobal.net> |
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| Date | 2026-01-27 08:35 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <10laifn$3loon$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #123353 |
On 1/27/2026 3:04 AM, Michael S wrote: > On Tue, 27 Jan 2026 01:46:43 -0600 > Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On 1/27/2026 12:45 AM, Thomas Koenig wrote: >>> Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> schrieb: >>>> On Mon, 26 Jan 2026 22:47:33 -0000 (UTC), Thomas Koenig wrote: >>>> >>>>> There is a story where he wrote a Fortran compiler, which failed >>>>> tests and was therefore not accepted, and he refused to fix the >>>>> bugs. >>>> >>>> Who was dumb enough to buy that? >>> >>> They didn't, it was not accepted. >>> >>> Unfortunately, the story itself seems to have vanished from the >>> Internet, or at least I cannot find it with Google any more. >> >> If I remember correctly, Microsoft licensed somebody else's Fortran >> 90 compiler and relabeled it. >> >> Lynn >> > > There is a big chance that you don't remember correctly. > At least it is different, not to say opposite, from the story that I > read in other places. > They say that when Microsoft found out that support for F90 is > necessary for continuation of their Fortran business then they > decided that their compilers stuff has more important things to > do. So they sold their compiler sources and Powerstation brand to > Digital that later became Compaq and later yet before merger with HP > sold it to Intel where it either replaced Intel's own Fortran compiler > or was merged with it. The last part of the story is not conclusive. > re: Intel: Merged is more accurate. Mostly the "front end" was retained and adjusted to produce the intel "back end" format. I used Powerstation 1.0 and 4.0 with some success. Yes, they were both buggy, but I was able to work around any issues I found.
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| From | scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) |
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| Date | 2026-01-27 15:21 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <zJ4eR.466445$Cpid.151431@fx39.iad> |
| In reply to | #123347 |
Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?= <ldo@nz.invalid> writes: >On Mon, 26 Jan 2026 22:47:33 -0000 (UTC), Thomas Koenig wrote: > >> There is a story where he wrote a Fortran compiler, which failed >> tests and was therefore not accepted, and he refused to fix the >> bugs. > >Who was dumb enough to buy that? Probably someone like you who is dumb enough to snip relevent context when replying to a post.
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| From | Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-01-31 02:06 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10ljo2o$2ig0s$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #123321 |
On 24/01/2026 03:35, Lynn McGuire wrote: > "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0j74jcxSunY > > "Catering for a global audience is difficult, Tom takes us through a > 'timezones' style explanation of the things you need to keep in mind > when internationalising your code." > > I knew it was bad, but not that bad. > > Yup, I just write and sell my software in American English. I've got > enough problems without having to deal with localization. > > One of my programmers has been working on converting our Windows user > interface, written in 450,000 lines of C++, from Ascii to Unicode for > two years now. It was a one year project to start and his latest > estimate is another year to complete. Probably the original code base was made "simple" instead of "abstract" by the influence of one of those "simpletons" that goes around saying "simple" at people. Find the simplest person you can and ask them to get you to the moon and back safely. It's not going to happen. The world just hasn't figured that out yet, bizarrely. I hope he doesn't have any text matching functionality to generalise, if his task is set to some sort of "achieve unicode" then it was set by someone that wasn't a stakeholder. Expect it to be a failure no matter how many years it takes. -- Tristan Wibberley The message body is Copyright (C) 2026 Tristan Wibberley except citations and quotations noted. All Rights Reserved except that you may, of course, cite it academically giving credit to me, distribute it verbatim as part of a usenet system or its archives, and use it to promote my greatness and general superiority without misrepresentation of my opinions other than my opinion of my greatness and general superiority which you _may_ misrepresent. You definitely MAY NOT train any production AI system with it but you may train experimental AI that will only be used for evaluation of the AI methods it implements.
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| From | 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> |
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| Date | 2026-02-02 21:02 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <muce7bF6trhU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #123321 |
W dniu 24.01.2026 o 04:35, Lynn McGuire pisze: > One of my programmers has been working on converting our Windows user > interface, written in 450,000 lines of C++, from Ascii to Unicode for > two years now. It was a one year project to start and his latest > estimate is another year to complete. I think that this task should be named "rewrite". But I recommended "clean up" instead. In the case "clean up" you have great opportunity to make your app far better than previous. Modern industry approach, is modularity. This is prove in many essential industry branch, and especially in IIww years. You can make your app "modular", by simply respect following rules: 1. Split your code in to 3 parts: 1) Business Logic classes; 2) Tool classes; 3) Window and widget classes. This is my "programming pattern" which I call TLW "tools-logics-window" pattern, and it replace more specialised MVC "model-view-controler" pattern. 2. Split your code in to few static libs. NOTE: Do not push any "business logic" in to your libs. Libs must be acted only as "tools". All "business logic" should remain in your core app. NOTE: When you have static libs, then you can develop your libs and prog. simultaneously, because they will not interfere with other projects (other projects can work normally and can be upgraded later). 3. Split your code in to many dynamically loaded plug-ins. NOTE 1: Create your plug-ins only in 3 cases: 1) for file type and network protocol formats (for tool classes); 2) for new algorithms (for logic classes); 3) for new widgets (for windows classes). Note 2: In many cases one plug-in provide together new widget and new algorithm; 4. Make your libs and plug-in rest code independent as far as possible and make them to use minimal set of 3rd party libs dependencies. NOTE: This mean that your libs and plug-ins (for tools and logic classes) should not be depended of GUI libs, nor any platform specific libs. In order to do this all build in types and used classes should be renamed. Then, if necessary, renamed type can be easily expanded by make it normal class (with earlier renamed class as a parent). NOTE: Above I invent and covered in my monograph under title "Arch. Prog. Nieuprzywilejowanych" (in eng.: "Architecture of Unprivileged Programs"). I publish it in dec. 2024, on my WWW site under URL: <https://energokod.gda.pl/monografie/Arch.%20Prog.%20Nieuprzywilejowanych.pdf> One more hint: Buy great and thin Stroustrup book "A Tour of C++ (C++ In-Depth Series" - it is all about basic C++ concepts but focused on C++20. Then consider what "C++ modern parts" are worth to apply for your project. -- Jacek Marcin Jaworski, Pruszcz Gd., woj. Pomorskie, Polska 🇵🇱, EU 🇪🇺; tel.: +48-609-170-742, najlepiej w godz.: 5:15-5:55 lub 17:15-17:55; <jmj@energokod.gda.pl>, gpg: 4A541AA7A6E872318B85D7F6A651CC39244B0BFA; Domowa s. WWW: <https://energokod.gda.pl>; Mini Netykieta: <https://energokod.gda.pl/MiniNetykieta.html>; Mailowa Samoobrona: <https://emailselfdefense.fsf.org/pl>.
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| From | 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> |
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| Date | 2026-02-02 21:13 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <mucequF6trhU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #123397 |
W dniu 2.02.2026 o 21:02, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 pisze: > which I call TLW "tools-logics-window" "tools-logics-windows" (note addes 's' in the end). > I publish it in dec. 2024, on my WWW site under URL: > > <https://energokod.gda.pl/monografie/Arch.%20Prog.%20Nieuprzywilejowanych.pdf> NOTE: in dec. 2024 I have other domain (but it still works, and will be working until 2026-12-12): <https://energokod.pl/monografie/Arch.%20Prog.%20Nieuprzywilejowanych.pdf> -- Jacek Marcin Jaworski, Pruszcz Gd., woj. Pomorskie, Polska 🇵🇱, EU 🇪🇺; tel.: +48-609-170-742, najlepiej w godz.: 5:15-5:55 lub 17:15-17:55; <jmj@energokod.gda.pl>, gpg: 4A541AA7A6E872318B85D7F6A651CC39244B0BFA; Domowa s. WWW: <https://energokod.gda.pl>; Mini Netykieta: <https://energokod.gda.pl/MiniNetykieta.html>; Mailowa Samoobrona: <https://emailselfdefense.fsf.org/pl>.
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-02-02 21:25 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10lr4nv$vgkr$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #123397 |
On Mon, 2 Feb 2026 21:02:51 +0100, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 wrote: > NOTE: Do not push any "business logic" in to your libs. Anything that is reusable is a candidate for putting in a library.
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| From | Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2026-02-03 10:54 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <20260203105402.000076d8@yahoo.com> |
| In reply to | #123397 |
On Mon, 2 Feb 2026 21:02:51 +0100 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> wrote: > W dniu 24.01.2026 o 04:35, Lynn McGuire pisze: > > One of my programmers has been working on converting our Windows > > user interface, written in 450,000 lines of C++, from Ascii to > > Unicode for two years now. It was a one year project to start and > > his latest estimate is another year to complete. > > I think that this task should be named "rewrite". But I recommended > "clean up" instead. In the case "clean up" you have great opportunity > to make your app far better than previous. Modern industry approach, > is modularity. This is prove in many essential industry branch, and > especially in IIww years. > It seems to me that industry trend in GUI programming is to stay as far away from C++ as possible. JS is a king. C#, Swift, Kotlin are second choice. Even Java is still used for new development in this feild, despite technically being almost as unsuitable as C++. But C++ is strictly legacy, no new, from scratch GUI development is done in this language for something like 15 years. Of course, the statement above is "at large". The world is a big place and one can always find one developer or one hundred or ten thousands that make unusual sub-optimal choices.
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| From | 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> |
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| Date | 2026-02-03 10:44 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <mudubhFf8rpU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #123401 |
W dniu 3.02.2026 o 09:54, Michael S pisze: > On Mon, 2 Feb 2026 21:02:51 +0100 > 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> wrote: > >> W dniu 24.01.2026 o 04:35, Lynn McGuire pisze: >>> One of my programmers has been working on converting our Windows >>> user interface, written in 450,000 lines of C++, from Ascii to >>> Unicode for two years now. It was a one year project to start and >>> his latest estimate is another year to complete. >> >> I think that this task should be named "rewrite". But I recommended >> "clean up" instead. In the case "clean up" you have great opportunity >> to make your app far better than previous. Modern industry approach, >> is modularity. This is prove in many essential industry branch, and >> especially in IIww years. >> > > It seems to me that industry trend in GUI programming is to stay as far > away from C++ as possible. > JS is a king. > C#, Swift, Kotlin are second choice. > Even Java is still used for new development in this feild, despite > technically being almost as unsuitable as C++. This is just pure hype: Apps word does not end on Android (all its apps are written in some scripts lang)!!! There are many areas where normal C++ programs are needed, and are not replaceable due to their time critical nature. Even on desktop such simple app like text editor must be coded in C++ because in JS (VS Code) programmers see noticeable lags. The same is true for huge programs like Text Processors, CAD, 3D Modeling, Graphic Editors, and many more. Summary: only silly apps can be write in JS (or in other scripting lang). Normal and professional programs must be written in compiling lang, like modern object-oriented C++. -- Jacek Marcin Jaworski, Pruszcz Gd., woj. Pomorskie, Polska 🇵🇱, EU 🇪🇺; tel.: +48-609-170-742, najlepiej w godz.: 5:15-5:55 lub 17:15-17:55; <jmj@energokod.gda.pl>, gpg: 4A541AA7A6E872318B85D7F6A651CC39244B0BFA; Domowa s. WWW: <https://energokod.gda.pl>; Mini Netykieta: <https://energokod.gda.pl/MiniNetykieta.html>; Mailowa Samoobrona: <https://emailselfdefense.fsf.org/pl>.
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| From | Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> |
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| Date | 2026-02-03 09:47 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <10lt1q1$1i423$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #123403 |
🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 wrote this post by blinking in Morse code:
> W dniu 3.02.2026 o 09:54, Michael S pisze:
>> On Mon, 2 Feb 2026 21:02:51 +0100
>> 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> wrote:
>>
>>> W dniu 24.01.2026 o 04:35, Lynn McGuire pisze:
>>>> One of my programmers has been working on converting our Windows
>>>> user interface, written in 450,000 lines of C++, from Ascii to
>>>> Unicode for two years now. It was a one year project to start and
>>>> his latest estimate is another year to complete.
450K lines??? At a minute per line (assuming all lines need the
"fix") that's 312 days.
>>> I think that this task should be named "rewrite". But I recommended
>>> "clean up" instead. In the case "clean up" you have great opportunity
>>> to make your app far better than previous. Modern industry approach,
>>> is modularity. This is prove in many essential industry branch, and
>>> especially in IIww years.
>>
>> It seems to me that industry trend in GUI programming is to stay as far
>> away from C++ as possible.
:-D
>> JS is a king.
>> C#, Swift, Kotlin are second choice.
>> Even Java is still used for new development in this feild, despite
>> technically being almost as unsuitable as C++.
:-D
<https://wiki.qt.io/List_of_Qt_Applications>
You do realize that C++ is used for performance, don't you.
That's helpful even in a GUI.
> This is just pure hype: Apps word does not end on Android (all its apps
> are written in some scripts lang)!!!
>
> There are many areas where normal C++ programs are needed, and are not
> replaceable due to their time critical nature.
> Even on desktop such simple app like text editor must be coded in C++
> because in JS (VS Code) programmers see noticeable lags. The same is
> true for huge programs like Text Processors, CAD, 3D Modeling, Graphic
> Editors, and many more.
>
> Summary: only silly apps can be write in JS (or in other scripting
> lang). Normal and professional programs must be written in compiling
> lang, like modern object-oriented C++.
Actually, Javascript is a decent language and even has some
object-oriented features. I had to use it pretty heavily in a
project at work years ago.
--
Live long and prosper.
-- Spock, "Amok Time", stardate 3372.7
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| From | 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> |
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| Date | 2026-02-03 16:02 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <mueh0vFf8rrU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #123404 |
W dniu 3.02.2026 o 15:47, Chris Ahlstrom pisze: >> Summary: only silly apps can be write in JS (or in other scripting >> lang). Normal and professional programs must be written in compiling >> lang, like modern object-oriented C++. > Actually, Javascript is a decent language and even has some > object-oriented features. I had to use it pretty heavily in a > project at work years ago. That must be night mare! But apparently you gain some wisdom and decide to learn C++. We have good proverb in polish which illustrate your experience: "Nie ma tego złego co by na dobre nie wyszło." , in eng.: "There is not such evil which finally will not turn to be good". -- Jacek Marcin Jaworski, Pruszcz Gd., woj. Pomorskie, Polska 🇵🇱, EU 🇪🇺; tel.: +48-609-170-742, najlepiej w godz.: 5:15-5:55 lub 17:15-17:55; <jmj@energokod.gda.pl>, gpg: 4A541AA7A6E872318B85D7F6A651CC39244B0BFA; Domowa s. WWW: <https://energokod.gda.pl>; Mini Netykieta: <https://energokod.gda.pl/MiniNetykieta.html>; Mailowa Samoobrona: <https://emailselfdefense.fsf.org/pl>.
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| From | Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> |
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| Date | 2026-02-04 08:45 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <10lviig$2brj9$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #123405 |
🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 wrote this post by blinking in Morse code: > W dniu 3.02.2026 o 15:47, Chris Ahlstrom pisze: >>> Summary: only silly apps can be write in JS (or in other scripting >>> lang). Normal and professional programs must be written in compiling >>> lang, like modern object-oriented C++. >> Actually, Javascript is a decent language and even has some >> object-oriented features. I had to use it pretty heavily in a >> project at work years ago. > > That must be night mare! But apparently you gain some wisdom and decide > to learn C++. I started using C++ in the early 1990s. C in the mid 1980s. > We have good proverb in polish which illustrate your > experience: > "Nie ma tego złego co by na dobre nie wyszło." > , in eng.: > "There is not such evil which finally will not turn to be good". I can think of a contrary example today. -- You will win success in whatever calling you adopt.
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-02-03 21:32 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10ltpgo$1qnh3$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #123403 |
On Tue, 3 Feb 2026 10:44:17 +0100, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 wrote: > W dniu 3.02.2026 o 09:54, Michael S pisze: >> >> Even Java is still used for new development in this feild, despite >> technically being almost as unsuitable as C++. > > This is just pure hype: Apps word does not end on Android (all its > apps are written in some scripts lang)!!! You can run code written in C, C++ and other languages that compile to machine code, on Android. <https://developer.android.com/ndk>
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