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  How stupid ARE people? Joe Snodgrass <joe.snod@yahoo.com> - 2011-04-30 12:14 -0700
    Re: How stupid ARE people? Deeyana <d.awlberg@hotmail.invalid> - 2011-04-30 19:48 +0000
      Re: How stupid ARE people? David Lamb <dalamb@cs.queensu.ca> - 2011-04-30 19:03 -0400
        Re: How stupid ARE people? "Twayne" <nobody@devnull.spamcop.net> - 2011-04-30 19:26 -0400
          Re: How stupid ARE people? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2011-04-30 20:08 -0400
            Re: How stupid ARE people? Unrest <unrest@nullvector.org> - 2011-05-01 05:27 +0000
              Re: How stupid ARE people? David Lamb <dalamb@cs.queensu.ca> - 2011-05-01 09:15 -0400
                Re: How stupid ARE people? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2011-05-01 09:28 -0400
            Re: How stupid ARE people? "Twayne" <nobody@devnull.spamcop.net> - 2011-05-02 12:11 -0400
              Re: How stupid ARE people? Tim Streater <timstreater@waitrose.com> - 2011-05-02 17:18 +0100
                Re: How stupid ARE people? "Twayne" <nobody@devnull.spamcop.net> - 2011-05-03 10:33 -0400
                  Re: How stupid ARE people? Tim Streater <timstreater@waitrose.com> - 2011-05-03 16:58 +0100
                  Re: How stupid ARE people? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2011-05-03 18:15 -0400
                    Re: How stupid ARE people? "Twayne" <nobody@devnull.spamcop.net> - 2011-05-04 19:46 -0400
                      Re: How stupid ARE people? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2011-05-04 23:14 -0400
                      Re: How stupid ARE people? "Mr. B-o-B" <mr.chew.baka@gmail.com> - 2011-05-05 10:23 -0500
                      Re: How stupid ARE people? Michael Fesser <netizen@gmx.de> - 2011-05-05 22:44 +0200
              Re: How stupid ARE people? Michael Fesser <netizen@gmx.de> - 2011-05-02 18:45 +0200
    Re: How stupid ARE people? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2011-05-01 00:27 +0000
      Re: How stupid ARE people? Joe Snodgrass <joe.snod@yahoo.com> - 2011-05-03 06:33 -0700
        Re: How stupid ARE people? Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2011-05-03 06:55 -0700
          Re: How stupid ARE people? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2011-05-03 16:21 +0100
        Re: How stupid ARE people? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2011-05-03 16:48 +0000

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#4530 — How stupid ARE people?

After all the scary news about smart phones broadcasting people's
locations, I can't believe that

1) Some genius doesn't build a smart phone with no location tracking
and corner the market on people who want no part of it.  There's money
to be made, genius!

2) Manufacturers don't put a control (preferably a hardware switch) on
the annoying things to *reliably* leave the feature turned off.

3) Customers don't raise a ruckus and demand that the feature be put
under their control, or else.

Americans are heroin addicts, who will suck up anything, as long as
they get their shot every half hour.

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#4532

On Sat, 30 Apr 2011 12:14:58 -0700, Joe Snodgrass wrote:

> After all the scary news about smart phones broadcasting people's
> locations, I can't believe that
> 
> 1) Some genius doesn't build a smart phone with no location tracking and
> corner the market on people who want no part of it.  There's money to be
> made, genius!
> 
> 2) Manufacturers don't put a control (preferably a hardware switch) on
> the annoying things to *reliably* leave the feature turned off.
> 
> 3) Customers don't raise a ruckus and demand that the feature be put
> under their control, or else.
> 
> Americans are heroin addicts, who will suck up anything, as long as they
> get their shot every half hour.

What does any of that have to do with Java, C++, or PHP, Snodgrass?

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#4535

On 30/04/2011 3:48 PM, Deeyana wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Apr 2011 12:14:58 -0700, Joe Snodgrass wrote:
>
>> After all the scary news about smart phones broadcasting people's
>> locations, I can't believe that
>>
>> 1) Some genius doesn't build a smart phone with no location tracking and
>> corner the market on people who want no part of it.  There's money to be
>> made, genius!
> What does any of that have to do with Java, C++, or PHP, Snodgrass?

Perhaps we can help the OP learn some systems design? Making location 
tracking impossible means no app-readable GPS, which eliminates so many 
useful apps nobody would buy said smartphone.

Does any smartphone use php?

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#4537

In news:1z0vp.5524$Du7.4253@newsfe04.iad,
David Lamb <dalamb@cs.queensu.ca> typed:
> On 30/04/2011 3:48 PM, Deeyana wrote:
>> On Sat, 30 Apr 2011 12:14:58 -0700, Joe Snodgrass wrote:
>>
>>> After all the scary news about smart phones
>>> broadcasting people's locations, I can't believe that
>>>
>>> 1) Some genius doesn't build a smart phone with no
>>> location tracking and corner the market on people who
>>> want no part of it.  There's money to be made, genius!
>> What does any of that have to do with Java, C++, or PHP,
>> Snodgrass?
>
> Perhaps we can help the OP learn some systems design?
> Making location tracking impossible means no app-readable
> GPS, which eliminates so many useful apps nobody would
> buy said smartphone.
> Does any smartphone use php?

Don't see why not. PHP runs server-side, not client side. It's the website 
that determines whether PHP runs or not and it has nothing to do wth the 
client side, or smartfone.

HTH,

Twayne`

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#4538

On 4/30/2011 7:26 PM, Twayne wrote:
> In news:1z0vp.5524$Du7.4253@newsfe04.iad,
> David Lamb<dalamb@cs.queensu.ca>  typed:
>> On 30/04/2011 3:48 PM, Deeyana wrote:
>>> On Sat, 30 Apr 2011 12:14:58 -0700, Joe Snodgrass wrote:
>>>
>>>> After all the scary news about smart phones
>>>> broadcasting people's locations, I can't believe that
>>>>
>>>> 1) Some genius doesn't build a smart phone with no
>>>> location tracking and corner the market on people who
>>>> want no part of it.  There's money to be made, genius!
>>> What does any of that have to do with Java, C++, or PHP,
>>> Snodgrass?
>>
>> Perhaps we can help the OP learn some systems design?
>> Making location tracking impossible means no app-readable
>> GPS, which eliminates so many useful apps nobody would
>> buy said smartphone.
>> Does any smartphone use php?
>
> Don't see why not. PHP runs server-side, not client side. It's the website
> that determines whether PHP runs or not and it has nothing to do wth the
> client side, or smartfone.
>
> HTH,
>
> Twayne`
>
>

Incorrect.  PHP scripts can easily run on the client.

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#4542

Indeed. "PHP4Android" on "Scripting Layer for Android".

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#4551

On 01/05/2011 1:27 AM, Unrest wrote:
> Indeed. "PHP4Android" on "Scripting Layer for Android".

So, even an originally-off-topic posting can lead to (some of) us 
learning something.

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#4552

On 5/1/2011 9:15 AM, David Lamb wrote:
> On 01/05/2011 1:27 AM, Unrest wrote:
>> Indeed. "PHP4Android" on "Scripting Layer for Android".
>
> So, even an originally-off-topic posting can lead to (some of) us
> learning something.

Not really.  If you wanted to know that PHP was available for Android, a 
quick search would tell you.  And if you don't need to know, you 
probably don't care.

It's no reason to clutter up a newsgroup with off-topic crap.

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#4576

In news:ipi8ac$ufm$1@dont-email.me,
Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> typed:
> On 4/30/2011 7:26 PM, Twayne wrote:
>> In news:1z0vp.5524$Du7.4253@newsfe04.iad,
>> David Lamb<dalamb@cs.queensu.ca>  typed:
>>> On 30/04/2011 3:48 PM, Deeyana wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 30 Apr 2011 12:14:58 -0700, Joe Snodgrass
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> After all the scary news about smart phones
>>>>> broadcasting people's locations, I can't believe that
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) Some genius doesn't build a smart phone with no
>>>>> location tracking and corner the market on people who
>>>>> want no part of it.  There's money to be made, genius!
>>>> What does any of that have to do with Java, C++, or
>>>> PHP, Snodgrass?
>>>
>>> Perhaps we can help the OP learn some systems design?
>>> Making location tracking impossible means no
>>> app-readable GPS, which eliminates so many useful apps
>>> nobody would buy said smartphone.
>>> Does any smartphone use php?
>>
>> Don't see why not. PHP runs server-side, not client
>> side. It's the website that determines whether PHP runs
>> or not and it has nothing to do wth the client side, or
>> smartfone. HTH,
>>
>> Twayne`
>>
>>
>
> Incorrect.  PHP scripts can easily run on the client.

Your half-misinformation does no one any good, including yourself. Without 
PHP and a server present, which is the norm for many people, what happens 
then? They'll still run the PHP? I don't THINK so! 

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#4577

In article <ipml3r$7bg$1@dont-email.me>,
 "Twayne" <nobody@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote:

> In news:ipi8ac$ufm$1@dont-email.me,
> Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> typed:
> > On 4/30/2011 7:26 PM, Twayne wrote:
> >> In news:1z0vp.5524$Du7.4253@newsfe04.iad,
> >> David Lamb<dalamb@cs.queensu.ca>  typed:
> >>> On 30/04/2011 3:48 PM, Deeyana wrote:
> >>>> On Sat, 30 Apr 2011 12:14:58 -0700, Joe Snodgrass
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>> After all the scary news about smart phones
> >>>>> broadcasting people's locations, I can't believe that
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 1) Some genius doesn't build a smart phone with no
> >>>>> location tracking and corner the market on people who
> >>>>> want no part of it.  There's money to be made, genius!
> >>>> What does any of that have to do with Java, C++, or
> >>>> PHP, Snodgrass?
> >>>
> >>> Perhaps we can help the OP learn some systems design?
> >>> Making location tracking impossible means no
> >>> app-readable GPS, which eliminates so many useful apps
> >>> nobody would buy said smartphone.
> >>> Does any smartphone use php?
> >>
> >> Don't see why not. PHP runs server-side, not client
> >> side. It's the website that determines whether PHP runs
> >> or not and it has nothing to do wth the client side, or
> >> smartfone. HTH,

> > Incorrect.  PHP scripts can easily run on the client.
> 
> Your half-misinformation does no one any good, including yourself. Without 
> PHP and a server present, which is the norm for many people, what happens 
> then? They'll still run the PHP? I don't THINK so! 

Why would PHP not be available on my own machine. I run PHP scripts all 
the time.

-- 
Tim

"That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed,
nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted"  --  Bill of Rights 1689

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#4622

In news:timstreater-732456.17181402052011@news.individual.net,
Tim Streater <timstreater@waitrose.com> typed:
> In article <ipml3r$7bg$1@dont-email.me>,
> "Twayne" <nobody@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote:
>

...

>
> Why would PHP not be available on my own machine. I run
> PHP scripts all the time.

I can't really say since you gave no information at all. A lot of 'nix 
bundles might include it but Windows for instance does not. And unless you 
have installed a server installed locally on your machine, PHP scripts are 
not running on your machine. All you'll get when it runs is a page showing 
the PHP script, but no PHP results. Once you're into production mode, then 
the PHP is running on whatever server you are using for your production 
site/s.
   So you have actually not said anything but a few words with nothing to 
describe what you're doing. That of course if of absolutely no use to 
newbies and the inexperienced users looking to get into PHP programming.

HTH,

Twayne`

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#4624

In article <ipp3or$fj0$1@dont-email.me>,
 "Twayne" <nobody@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote:

> In news:timstreater-732456.17181402052011@news.individual.net,
> Tim Streater <timstreater@waitrose.com> typed:
> > In article <ipml3r$7bg$1@dont-email.me>,
> > "Twayne" <nobody@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote:

> > Why would PHP not be available on my own machine. I run
> > PHP scripts all the time.
> 
> I can't really say since you gave no information at all. A lot of 'nix 
> bundles might include it but Windows for instance does not. And unless you 
> have installed a server installed locally on your machine, PHP scripts are 
> not running on your machine. All you'll get when it runs is a page showing 
> the PHP script, but no PHP results. Once you're into production mode, then 
> the PHP is running on whatever server you are using for your production 
> site/s.
>    So you have actually not said anything but a few words with nothing to 
> describe what you're doing. That of course if of absolutely no use to 
> newbies and the inexperienced users looking to get into PHP programming.

OK, I'll add a few words to the second sentence, and a third sentence:

I run PHP scripts from the command prompt all the time. I can do this 
whether or apache happens to be running at that moment (in fact it 
usually is since an instance of apache is a component of my email 
client, but the command line scripts, of course, don't care about that).

-- 
Tim

"That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed,
nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted"  --  Bill of Rights 1689

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#4651

On 5/3/2011 10:33 AM, Twayne wrote:
> In news:timstreater-732456.17181402052011@news.individual.net,
> Tim Streater<timstreater@waitrose.com>  typed:
>> In article<ipml3r$7bg$1@dont-email.me>,
>> "Twayne"<nobody@devnull.spamcop.net>  wrote:
>>
>
> ...
>
>>
>> Why would PHP not be available on my own machine. I run
>> PHP scripts all the time.
>
> I can't really say since you gave no information at all. A lot of 'nix
> bundles might include it but Windows for instance does not. And unless you
> have installed a server installed locally on your machine, PHP scripts are
> not running on your machine. All you'll get when it runs is a page showing
> the PHP script, but no PHP results. Once you're into production mode, then
> the PHP is running on whatever server you are using for your production
> site/s.
>     So you have actually not said anything but a few words with nothing to
> describe what you're doing. That of course if of absolutely no use to
> newbies and the inexperienced users looking to get into PHP programming.
>
> HTH,
>
> Twayne`
>
>

PHP scripts run fine on Windows without a web server.

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#4700

In news:ippupp$6e1$1@dont-email.me,
Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> typed:
> On 5/3/2011 10:33 AM, Twayne wrote:
>> In
>> news:timstreater-732456.17181402052011@news.individual.net,
>> Tim Streater<timstreater@waitrose.com>  typed:
>>> In article<ipml3r$7bg$1@dont-email.me>,
>>> "Twayne"<nobody@devnull.spamcop.net>  wrote:
>>>
>>
>> ...
>>
>>>
>>> Why would PHP not be available on my own machine. I run
>>> PHP scripts all the time.
>>
>> I can't really say since you gave no information at all.
>> A lot of 'nix bundles might include it but Windows for
>> instance does not. And unless you have installed a
>> server installed locally on your machine, PHP scripts
>> are not running on your machine. All you'll get when it
>> runs is a page showing the PHP script, but no PHP
>> results. Once you're into production mode, then the PHP
>>     is running on whatever server you are using for your
>> production site/s. So you have actually not said
>> anything but a few words with nothing to describe what
>> you're doing. That of course if of absolutely no use to
>> newbies and the inexperienced users looking to get into
>> PHP programming.   HTH,
>>
>> Twayne`
>>
>>
>
> PHP scripts run fine on Windows without a web server.

More half-information and useless to boot.

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#4702

On 5/4/2011 7:46 PM, Twayne wrote:
> In news:ippupp$6e1$1@dont-email.me,
> Jerry Stuckle<jstucklex@attglobal.net>  typed:
>> On 5/3/2011 10:33 AM, Twayne wrote:
>>> In
>>> news:timstreater-732456.17181402052011@news.individual.net,
>>> Tim Streater<timstreater@waitrose.com>   typed:
>>>> In article<ipml3r$7bg$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>> "Twayne"<nobody@devnull.spamcop.net>   wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why would PHP not be available on my own machine. I run
>>>> PHP scripts all the time.
>>>
>>> I can't really say since you gave no information at all.
>>> A lot of 'nix bundles might include it but Windows for
>>> instance does not. And unless you have installed a
>>> server installed locally on your machine, PHP scripts
>>> are not running on your machine. All you'll get when it
>>> runs is a page showing the PHP script, but no PHP
>>> results. Once you're into production mode, then the PHP
>>>      is running on whatever server you are using for your
>>> production site/s. So you have actually not said
>>> anything but a few words with nothing to describe what
>>> you're doing. That of course if of absolutely no use to
>>> newbies and the inexperienced users looking to get into
>>> PHP programming.   HTH,
>>>
>>> Twayne`
>>>
>>>
>>
>> PHP scripts run fine on Windows without a web server.
>
> More half-information and useless to boot.
>
>

Only for an idiot troll like you.

For intelligent people, PHP scripts run fine on Windows without a server.

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#4723

Twayne cried from the depths of the abyss...

>> PHP scripts run fine on Windows without a web server.
>
> More half-information and useless to boot.

As many other have already mentioned in this thread, you 
can run PHP on any server w/o a web server installed.

http://php.net/manual/en/features.commandline.php

Wow, that's just great!  You mean php can do more than just create 
web pages?

I use php a lot at work on boxes that have no web server installed.  It's a 
great language for processing information to/from databases/other 
applications I find (over other system languages).  I have many cron jobs 
(scheduled takes) that fire up php script to process all kinds of things that a human used to have to do manually.

Just because you don't like Jerry please try to pay attention.  Any n00b 
reading this thread would have already learned that PHP can run w/o a 
web server (starting with Jerry's post & the others that followed with 
more detail).

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#4739

.oO(Twayne)

>In news:ippupp$6e1$1@dont-email.me,
>Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> typed:
>
>> PHP scripts run fine on Windows without a web server.
>
>More half-information and useless to boot.

Even this is possible:

| PHP-GTK is a PHP extension that implements language bindings for GTK+.
| It provides an object-oriented interface to GTK+ classes and functions
| and greatly simplifies writing client side cross-platform GUI
| applications.

PHP is a multi-purpose language and can run in every environment, as
long as there's a compiler/interpreter available. It can run with or
without a webserver, directly in a shell, as a GUI application, even
client-side in a browser if you want (yes, such plugins exist).

Micha

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#4578

.oO(Twayne)

>In news:ipi8ac$ufm$1@dont-email.me,
>Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> typed:
>>
>> Incorrect.  PHP scripts can easily run on the client.
>
>Your half-misinformation does no one any good, including yourself. Without 
>PHP and a server present, which is the norm for many people, what happens 
>then? They'll still run the PHP? I don't THINK so! 

You can use PHP for many more things, which don't require a webserver.

Micha

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#4539

In comp.lang.php Joe Snodgrass <joe.snod@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> After all the scary news about smart phones broadcasting people's
> locations, I can't believe that
> 
> 1) Some genius doesn't build a smart phone with no location tracking
> and corner the market on people who want no part of it.  There's money
> to be made, genius!
> 
> 2) Manufacturers don't put a control (preferably a hardware switch) on
> the annoying things to *reliably* leave the feature turned off.
> 
> 3) Customers don't raise a ruckus and demand that the feature be put
> under their control, or else.
> 
> Americans are heroin addicts, who will suck up anything, as long as
> they get their shot every half hour.

The FCC has required that all cell phone companies be able to trace
cell phone calls to a location since 2005.

You can thank 9/11 for that rule.

Only whether or not the user can access the tracking data is optional.

The only money to be made with a phone with no location tracking is in
the fines and penalties you will get for selling it.


-- 
Jim Pennino

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#4619

On Apr 30, 8:27 pm, j...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> In comp.lang.phpJoeSnodgrass<joe.s...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > After all the scary news about smart phones broadcasting people's
> > locations, I can't believe that
>
> > 1) Some genius doesn't build a smart phone with no location tracking
> > and corner the market on people who want no part of it.  There's money
> > to be made, genius!
>
> > 2) Manufacturers don't put a control (preferably a hardware switch) on
> > the annoying things to *reliably* leave the feature turned off.
>
> > 3) Customers don't raise a ruckus and demand that the feature be put
> > under their control, or else.
>
> > Americans are heroin addicts, who will suck up anything, as long as
> > they get their shot every half hour.
>
> The FCC has required that all cell phone companies be able to trace
> cell phone calls to a location since 2005.
>
> You can thank 9/11 for that rule.
>
> Only whether or not the user can access the tracking data is optional.
>
> The only money to be made with a phone with no location tracking is in
> the fines and penalties you will get for selling it.

Then the only alternative is to try disconnect the GPS chip.  I
suppose that it's too much to ask for the chip to have little legs, so
you can just cut it off the circuit by snipping the power pin.  I
wonder if the OS is robust enough to tolerate a loss of that signal or
if you'd get the cellphone equivalent of a BSOD.

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