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  Re: My Delphi projects work with C++Builder.. Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-11-16 17:31 +0100
    Re: My Delphi projects work with C++Builder.. Wisdom90 <d@d.d> - 2019-11-16 11:34 -0500
      Re: My Delphi projects work with C++Builder.. Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-11-16 17:42 +0100
    Re: My Delphi projects work with C++Builder.. Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2019-11-16 17:42 +0000
      Re: My Delphi projects work with C++Builder.. David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-11-16 19:19 +0100
        Re: My Delphi projects work with C++Builder.. Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-11-16 19:30 +0100
          Re: My Delphi projects work with C++Builder.. David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-11-16 21:50 +0100
            Re: My Delphi projects work with C++Builder.. Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-11-17 09:12 +0100
              Re: My Delphi projects work with C++Builder.. David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-11-17 11:12 +0100
      Re: My Delphi projects work with C++Builder.. Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2019-11-17 07:49 +1300
        Re: My Delphi projects work with C++Builder.. Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2019-11-16 19:41 +0000
    Re: My Delphi projects work with C++Builder.. Cholo Lennon <chololennon@hotmail.com> - 2019-11-16 15:09 -0300
      Re: My Delphi projects work with C++Builder.. Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-11-16 19:32 +0100
        Re: My Delphi projects work with C++Builder.. Wisdom90 <d@d.d> - 2019-11-16 14:54 -0500
          Re: My Delphi projects work with C++Builder.. Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-11-16 20:56 +0100
        Re: My Delphi projects work with C++Builder.. Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk> - 2019-11-16 20:36 +0000
        Re: My Delphi projects work with C++Builder.. Cholo Lennon <chololennon@hotmail.com> - 2019-11-16 17:41 -0300
        Re: My Delphi projects work with C++Builder.. David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-11-16 21:55 +0100
          Re: My Delphi projects work with C++Builder.. Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2019-11-16 21:27 +0000
            Re: My Delphi projects work with C++Builder.. Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2019-11-16 23:08 +0000
            Re: My Delphi projects work with C++Builder.. David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-11-17 00:06 +0100
          Re: My Delphi projects work with C++Builder.. Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2019-11-16 13:35 -0800
            Re: My Delphi projects work with C++Builder.. Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2019-11-16 23:00 +0000
            Re: My Delphi projects work with C++Builder.. Bo Persson <bo@bo-persson.se> - 2019-11-16 23:59 +0100
              Re: My Delphi projects work with C++Builder.. Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2019-11-16 23:06 +0000
          Re: My Delphi projects work with C++Builder.. Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-11-17 09:11 +0100
            Re: My Delphi projects work with C++Builder.. Bo Persson <bo@bo-persson.se> - 2019-11-17 09:40 +0100

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#69841

On 16/11/2019 22:27, Melzzzzz wrote:
> 
> Delphi is for small one shot projects... usefull for single developer
> when she wants to deliver fast. Used C++ Builder in 90es. Served it's
> purpose...

It is - and perhaps that is mostly the case.  But it is also used in 
some massive projects (I know of a few).  When it came out, the only 
serious RAD tool for Windows was Visual Basic.  There was nothing 
remotely similar for C++.  If you wanted to be able to make a GUI 
program for Windows without a great deal of manual labour, and you 
wanted a strongly typed, structured compiled programming language, 
Delphi was your tool of choice.

Its heyday has long past, but projects often have history - there are a 
lot of programs that continue to be developed in Delphi simply because 
they were originally developed in Delphi.  It is a lot less common as a 
choice for new software projects.

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#69834

On Saturday, 16 November 2019 22:55:30 UTC+2, David Brown  wrote:
> 
> COBOL is massively relevant - even today.  I am not convinced by the 
> estimates I have read of the quantity of COBOL code written in recent 
> years, but even if they are out by a couple of orders of magnitude, 
> COBOL is still a huge industry and a major programming language.

Lot of companies that are more than 35 years old have some part of
their bookkeeping written in COBOL. In my experience it is so more
often than not with such companies. And our worldly economy stands
on shoulders of companies that are more than 35 years old (and people
who are more than 35 years old). In effort to modernize COBOL it was
AFAIK standardized to be object-oriented since 2002.

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#69837

On 2019-11-16, Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> wrote:
> On Saturday, 16 November 2019 22:55:30 UTC+2, David Brown  wrote:
>> 
>> COBOL is massively relevant - even today.  I am not convinced by the 
>> estimates I have read of the quantity of COBOL code written in recent 
>> years, but even if they are out by a couple of orders of magnitude, 
>> COBOL is still a huge industry and a major programming language.
>
> Lot of companies that are more than 35 years old have some part of
> their bookkeeping written in COBOL. In my experience it is so more
> often than not with such companies. And our worldly economy stands
> on shoulders of companies that are more than 35 years old (and people
> who are more than 35 years old). In effort to modernize COBOL it was
> AFAIK standardized to be object-oriented since 2002.

Much older then 35 years, actually in pension maybe, by now..


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#69838

On 2019-11-16 at 22:35, Öö Tiib wrote:
> On Saturday, 16 November 2019 22:55:30 UTC+2, David Brown  wrote:
>>
>> COBOL is massively relevant - even today.  I am not convinced by the
>> estimates I have read of the quantity of COBOL code written in recent
>> years, but even if they are out by a couple of orders of magnitude,
>> COBOL is still a huge industry and a major programming language.
> 
> Lot of companies that are more than 35 years old have some part of
> their bookkeeping written in COBOL. In my experience it is so more
> often than not with such companies. And our worldly economy stands
> on shoulders of companies that are more than 35 years old (and people
> who are more than 35 years old). In effort to modernize COBOL it was
> AFAIK standardized to be object-oriented since 2002.
> 

And not only bookkeeping.  :-)

I recently worked for a bank with about 500 COBOL developers doing all 
the heavy data lifting.

Even when you have a smart phone app accessing a server written in Java, 
the Java code will send all the transactions to the COBOL back end for 
validation and data base accesses.

This doesn't show up in the Tiobe index, because it is all closed source 
and the 50 year old developers don't ask COBOL questions on any net 
forum.  :-)


    Bo Persson

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#69839

On 2019-11-16, Bo Persson <bo@bo-persson.se> wrote:
> On 2019-11-16 at 22:35, Öö Tiib wrote:
>> On Saturday, 16 November 2019 22:55:30 UTC+2, David Brown  wrote:
>>>
>>> COBOL is massively relevant - even today.  I am not convinced by the
>>> estimates I have read of the quantity of COBOL code written in recent
>>> years, but even if they are out by a couple of orders of magnitude,
>>> COBOL is still a huge industry and a major programming language.
>> 
>> Lot of companies that are more than 35 years old have some part of
>> their bookkeeping written in COBOL. In my experience it is so more
>> often than not with such companies. And our worldly economy stands
>> on shoulders of companies that are more than 35 years old (and people
>> who are more than 35 years old). In effort to modernize COBOL it was
>> AFAIK standardized to be object-oriented since 2002.
>> 
>
> And not only bookkeeping.  :-)
>
> I recently worked for a bank with about 500 COBOL developers doing all 
> the heavy data lifting.
>
> Even when you have a smart phone app accessing a server written in Java, 
> the Java code will send all the transactions to the COBOL back end for 
> validation and data base accesses.
>
> This doesn't show up in the Tiobe index, because it is all closed source 
> and the 50 year old developers don't ask COBOL questions on any net 
> forum.  :-)

I have 50 years and Cobol programers now enjoying pension...
>
>
>     Bo Persson
>


-- 
press any key to continue or any other to quit...
U ničemu ja ne uživam kao u svom statusu INVALIDA -- Zli Zec
Svi smo svedoci - oko 3 godine intenzivne propagande je dovoljno da jedan narod poludi --  Zli Zec
Na divljem zapadu i nije bilo tako puno nasilja, upravo zato jer su svi 
bili naoruzani. -- Mladen Gogala

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#69854

> COBOL is massively relevant - even today.

When I check sites that offer jobs I find two magnitudes more offers
for Java-developers than for COBOL-developers (C++ has almost vanished).

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#69855

On 2019-11-17 at 09:11, Bonita Montero wrote:
>> COBOL is massively relevant - even today.
> 
> When I check sites that offer jobs I find two magnitudes more offers
> for Java-developers than for COBOL-developers (C++ has almost vanished).
> 

That's because you can get Java-developers just out of school by putting 
out job ads.

The COBOL guys are mostly older and not particularly looking for new 
jobs - so not reading the ads anyway. If you want to find one, you have 
to head-hunt.


Making lots of noise on the internet isn't the best measure of popularity.



    Bo Persson

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