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  sinners, repent! "Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach+usenet@gmail.com> - 2012-01-04 05:49 +0100
    Re: sinners, repent! Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-01-04 20:04 +1300
      Re: sinners, repent! "Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach+usenet@gmail.com> - 2012-01-04 09:00 +0100
        Re: sinners, repent! Goran <goran.pusic@gmail.com> - 2012-01-04 02:10 -0800
          Re: sinners, repent! "Paul" <pchrist<nospam>or@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-01-04 11:09 +0000
          Re: sinners, repent! hanukas <jukka@liimatta.org> - 2012-01-05 01:12 -0800
            Re: sinners, repent! "Paul" <pchrist<nospam>or@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-01-05 11:12 +0000
              Re: sinners, repent! hanukas <jukka@liimatta.org> - 2012-01-05 13:11 -0800
                Re: sinners, repent! Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2012-01-06 00:18 +0000
                  Re: sinners, repent! 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2012-01-06 08:18 -0800
                  Re: sinners, repent! hanukas <jukka@liimatta.org> - 2012-01-07 04:27 -0800
        Re: sinners, repent! Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2012-01-04 11:33 +0000

#13064 — sinners, repent!

I discovered that in 1997 (then as a fresh senior consultant with 
Accenture) I wrote, for personal use, a header with Lakos style include 
guards and even "using namespace std;" in the header!

And I wrote e.g. "string const &s" instead of more proper C++ mindset 
"string const& s"  --  ouch! And just blasted on with blank lines. It 
seems that I was very very much in love with blank lines then. And 
perhaps also my own name. Writing it TWICE in the header.

Well I can understand the Lakos-style guards; technology had not yet 
progressed to the point where they have no advantage. But the "using 
namespace std;"??? Did this have something to do with Visual C++ 5.0?

I shudder to think that at this point I had taught C++ at college level. 
But on the other hand, this was all before C++ was standardized. Oh 
right, that may have something to do with the namespace abuse.

Well I knew my Windows API, evidently, but not quite my C++!

On a positive note, I did already at this time use "Dependencies" and 
"Interface" comment lines in C++.

That distinction does make for a very clean structure, when one has 
background & experience from some modular language such as (in my case) 
Modula-2 and UCSD Pascal. May C++ gain a module concept soon! Real soon!


<code>
////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
//
//  Module:	APP EXCEPTIONS
//		interface
//
//  First of all, implements std operator new semantics (bad_alloc, nothrow)
//  for Visual C++ 5.0 simply by installing a throwing new-handler  --  the
//  rest is already in place (but undocumented) in the VC++ 5.0 runtime lib.
//
//  Secondly, defines an exception class [api_error] as
//
//
//      exception
//          runtime_error
//              api_error
//
//
//  Copyright (c) 1997 Alf P. Steinbach
//  Author:  Alf P. Steinbach
//

#ifdef		__APP_EXCEPTIONS_H__
#error		[app_exceptions.h] included twice.  Guard your #include's!
#else
#define		__APP_EXCEPTIONS_H__
#endif











//---------------------------------------- Dependencies:



#ifndef		_STDEXCEPT_
#include	<stdexcept>		    // runtime_error
using namespace std;
#endif



#ifndef		_NEW_
#include	<new>			    // bad_alloc
using namespace std;
#endif



#ifndef		_INC_WINDOWS
#include	<windows.h>		    // GetLastError
#endif











//---------------------------------------- Interface:




// The first constructor uses APIErrorMessage() as the string for what().
// The second constructor lets you specify the string for what().
// The APIErrorMessage() function retrieves the Windows error message text.


class api_error: public runtime_error
{

typedef	    runtime_error	super;


     // Construction & destruction:
     public:

api_error( DWORD an_api_errorcode = GetLastError() ) throw();
api_error( string const &s, DWORD an_api_errorcode = GetLastError() ) 
throw();
api_error( api_error const &rhs ) throw();
api_error& operator=( api_error const &rhs ) throw();
virtual ~api_error() throw();


     // Accessors:
     public:

virtual string const APIErrorMessage() const throw();
virtual DWORD APIErrorCode() const throw();


     // State:
     protected:

DWORD	    error_code;
};    // api_error
</code>


Cheers, & may you not, in 2012, commit the sins I did above in 1997,

- Alf

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#13065

On 01/ 4/12 05:49 PM, Alf P. Steinbach wrote:

> I discovered that in 1997 (then as a fresh senior consultant

Isn't "fresh senior consultant" an oxymoron?

-- 
Ian Collins

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#13068

On 04.01.2012 08:04, Ian Collins wrote:
> On 01/ 4/12 05:49 PM, Alf P. Steinbach wrote:
>
>> I discovered that in 1997 (then as a fresh senior consultant
>
> Isn't "fresh senior consultant" an oxymoron?
>

Not really. I came to consulting from a teaching position at Bodø 
College (now Bodø University). I started out doing Very Good Things at 
the college, then as an "amanuensis" (sort of lowest grade of professor 
in English countries, I think), like completely revamping their 
introductory programming course, and creating a new course in Windows 
GUI programming, but then the rules were changed so that had to have a 
doctorate to be employed as "amanuensis", and then consulting seemed a 
pretty good idea.

And [comp.lang.c++] played a key rôle in that profession change.

For Petter Hesselberg, then a manager at AC (now Accenture), was 
mightily impressed with what he'd read of my clc++ postings, in 
particular (which baffled me!) one answer I gave to a question (possibly 
his) about the repeat rate of the keyboard repeat on a PC (which surely 
must have been off topic). So I came to AC. And the only mention of me 
in any book, is, AFAIK, in the acknowledgments in Petter's "Programming 
Industrial Strength Windows".

Well it might seem weird to today's youngsters here that at one time one 
could actually land a job through clc++ postings.

Anyway,

Cheers, & a happy new year,

- Alf

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#13071

On Jan 4, 9:00 am, "Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach
+use...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well it might seem weird to today's youngsters here that at one time one
> could actually land a job through clc++ postings.

Actually, just that happened to me last year, much to my amazement.
Some company's recruiters approached me with the pretext that they saw
some posting(s) of mine here. Talking with the recruiter, I concluded
that she couldn't possibly understand postings here, so it must have
been company's engineering staff that ticked it. I failed to land a
job, but the offer was very real.

Goran.

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#13072

"Goran" <goran.pusic@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:4ceded04-959e-404e-a4c8-95c6cb3759ac@j9g2000vby.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 4, 9:00 am, "Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach
+use...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Well it might seem weird to today's youngsters here that at one time one
>> could actually land a job through clc++ postings.

>Actually, just that happened to me last year, much to my amazement.
>Some company's recruiters approached me with the pretext that they saw
>some posting(s) of mine here. Talking with the recruiter, I concluded
>that she couldn't possibly understand postings here, so it must have
>been company's engineering staff that ticked it. I failed to land a
>job, but the offer was very real.

Same thing happenend to me about 10 years ago. But I told them I wasn't a 
professonal. :)
Alf was a consultant back then too. 



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#13115

On Jan 4, 12:10 pm, Goran <goran.pu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 4, 9:00 am, "Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach
>
> +use...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Well it might seem weird to today's youngsters here that at one time one
> > could actually land a job through clc++ postings.
>
> Actually, just that happened to me last year, much to my amazement.
> Some company's recruiters approached me with the pretext that they saw
> some posting(s) of mine here. Talking with the recruiter, I concluded
> that she couldn't possibly understand postings here, so it must have
> been company's engineering staff that ticked it. I failed to land a
> job, but the offer was very real.
>
> Goran.

Same here; I got offer from MIPS 10+ years ago and EA 15 years ago or
so. I have never looked for a job or had a formal job interview, been
too busy for that kind of hassle.  For that reason don't have CV
(written) either. The neat thing about being fluent in C/C++ is that
the mindset of modern application developers is that it's "a crap
language" and they prefer something more "modern" (ObjectiveC, Java,
JS, you know the drill). That suits me just fine as I am not
interested in jobs where those skills are required anyway. Win-win for
everyone. ;)

I did have to learn Python recently, though. Learning new stuff is
refreshing and gives new vitalizing programming energy. I didn't learn
it because I wanted to, but because I had to-- but I'm glad that I
did. I wouldn't write driver stack for OpenGL|ES with it, but I would
write scripts for Blender with it. <-- OK, so I did write blender
scripts.. sue me.. ;)

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#13117

<snip>
>.. sue me.. ;)


How much are you worth? :-P 



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#13139

On Jan 5, 1:12 pm, "Paul" <pchrist<nospam>o...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> <snip>
>
> >.. sue me.. ;)
>
> How much are you worth? :-P

I think the penalty of writing Python is to write at least same amount
of Java code. That would be like community service, there is a certain
element of punishment to be found there.

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#13143

On Thu, 2012-01-05, hanukas wrote:
> On Jan 5, 1:12 pm, "Paul" <pchrist<nospam>o...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> <snip>
>>
>> >.. sue me.. ;)
>>
>> How much are you worth? :-P
>
> I think the penalty of writing Python is to write at least same amount
> of Java code. That would be like community service, there is a certain
> element of punishment to be found there.

Why? IMHO, Python is the perfect second language for a (Unix) C++
programmer -- for when you feel like being sloppy, or when you have to
do rapid prototyping.  Unlike with Java, you don't have to join a cult
to use it.

You have to have *some* "sloppiness language" in your toolchest, be it
Python, Perl, shell script or something Microsoft ...

/Jorgen

-- 
  // Jorgen Grahn <grahn@  Oo  o.   .     .
\X/     snipabacken.se>   O  o   .

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#13157

Jorgen Grahn於 2012年1月6日星期五UTC+8上午8時18分23秒寫道：
> On Thu, 2012-01-05, hanukas wrote:
> > On Jan 5, 1:12 pm, "Paul" 
> o....@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >> <snip>
> >>
> >> >.. sue me.. ;)
> >>
> >> How much are you worth? :-P
> >
> > I think the penalty of writing Python is to write at least same amount
> > of Java code. That would be like community service, there is a certain
> > element of punishment to be found there.
> 
> Why? IMHO, Python is the perfect second language for a (Unix) C++
> programmer -- for when you feel like being sloppy, or when you have to
> do rapid prototyping.  Unlike with Java, you don't have to join a cult
> to use it.
> 
> You have to have *some* "sloppiness language" in your toolchest, be it
> Python, Perl, shell script or something Microsoft ...
> 
> /Jorgen
> 
> -- 
>   // Jorgen Grahn <grahn@  Oo  o.   .     .
> \X/     snipabacken.se>   O  o   .
 
Python is dynamical typed but C++ is not. 

A static typed language to be used in some robot applications is 
kind of funny.

But the robot age has not prevailed yet.

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#13163

On Jan 6, 2:18 am, Jorgen Grahn <grahn+n...@snipabacken.se> wrote:
> On Thu, 2012-01-05, hanukas wrote:
> > On Jan 5, 1:12 pm, "Paul" <pchrist<nospam>o...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >> <snip>
>
> >> >.. sue me.. ;)
>
> >> How much are you worth? :-P
>
> > I think the penalty of writing Python is to write at least same amount
> > of Java code. That would be like community service, there is a certain
> > element of punishment to be found there.
>
> Why? IMHO, Python is the perfect second language for a (Unix) C++
> programmer -- for when you feel like being sloppy, or when you have to
> do rapid prototyping.  Unlike with Java, you don't have to join a cult
> to use it.
>
> You have to have *some* "sloppiness language" in your toolchest, be it
> Python, Perl, shell script or something Microsoft ...
>
> /Jorgen
>
> --
>   // Jorgen Grahn <grahn@  Oo  o.   .     .
> \X/     snipabacken.se>   O  o   .

Don't ask too many questions, I m trying to avoid being sued for $4 I
accumulated in past 20 years. Keep it quiet, please. >B)

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#13073

On Wed, 2012-01-04, Alf P. Steinbach wrote:
...
> Well it might seem weird to today's youngsters here that at one time one 
> could actually land a job through clc++ postings.

Not really -- unless you mean "through clc++ postings and nothing
else". I know more about the mindsets of many people here, than about
those of many of my coworkers.

/Jorgen

-- 
  // Jorgen Grahn <grahn@  Oo  o.   .     .
\X/     snipabacken.se>   O  o   .

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