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“The end of software secrecy is almost upon us"

Started byLynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com>
First post2026-10-13 23:18 -0500
Last post2026-11-02 10:30 +0100
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  “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-10-13 23:18 -0500
    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-14 18:30 +0800
      Transpiling from Pascal to Rust (was: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us") ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-10-14 11:35 +0000
      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" "De ongekruisigde ds." <ongekruisigde-ds@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-14 11:37 +0000
        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-14 19:59 +0800
          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-14 07:35 -0700
            Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-14 11:57 -0400
          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-10-14 13:07 -0400
            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Gary Scott <garylscott@sbcglobal.net> - 2026-10-14 14:04 -0500
              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-14 19:34 +0000
                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-15 05:55 +0800
                  Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2026-10-14 22:11 +0000
              Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-14 20:42 -0400
                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-10-14 21:43 -0500
                  Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-15 11:22 -0400
                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Gary Scott <garylscott@sbcglobal.net> - 2026-10-15 10:40 -0500
                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-18 09:20 +0000
                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-18 10:34 -0400
                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-19 06:57 +0000
                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-19 15:44 -0400
                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-19 20:09 +0000
                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-10-19 16:10 -0500
                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-19 18:08 -0400
                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-10-19 17:10 -0500
                              Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-19 18:57 -0400
                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-20 05:28 +0000
                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> - 2026-10-20 18:46 +1300
                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 13:20 -0400
                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-21 01:27 +0800
                                      Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@battlestar.co.uk - 2026-10-20 18:14 +0000
                                        Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-20 14:22 -0400
                                          Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@battlestar.co.uk - 2026-10-20 18:29 +0000
                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 15:06 -0500
                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-20 20:20 +0000
                                              Re: The end of software secrecy is almost upon Rosario19 <Ros@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-02 10:54 +0100
                                                Re: The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2026-11-02 11:11 +0100
                                                  Re: The end of software secrecy is almost upon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-02 16:51 +0000
                                                    Re: The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-02 20:06 +0000
                                                    Re: The end of software secrecy is almost upon Rosario19 <Ros@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-07 13:35 +0100
                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 19:32 -0400
                                              Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-10-21 03:31 +0000
                                                Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2026-10-21 04:31 +0000
                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Radey Shouman <shouman@comcast.net> - 2026-10-21 10:41 -0400
                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-21 14:53 +0000
                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2026-10-21 15:57 +0000
                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2026-10-21 16:02 +0000
                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-22 00:37 +0000
                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-22 11:05 +0800
                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-21 20:07 -0700
                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-22 14:22 +0800
                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2026-10-22 04:22 +0000
                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-21 07:37 -0700
                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-21 12:17 -0700
                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-22 00:36 +0000
                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-22 09:21 +0800
                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 16:40 -0400
                                            Re: The end of software secrecy is almost upon Rosario19 <Ros@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-02 10:58 +0100
                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-20 19:04 +0000
                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-20 19:54 +0000
                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-20 20:00 +0000
                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-20 23:18 +0000
                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-21 01:27 +0000
                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-21 03:22 +0000
                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-21 05:35 +0000
                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-21 20:09 +0800
                                              Re: The end of software secrecy is almost upon Rosario19 <Ros@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-06 12:43 +0100
                                                Re: The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-11-06 16:38 +0000
                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Steven G. Kargl" <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> - 2026-10-20 23:20 +0000
                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 16:49 -0400
                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-21 01:15 +0100
                                        Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-20 20:49 +0000
                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 14:36 -0400
                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> - 2026-10-21 16:11 +1300
                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-21 05:37 +0000
                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 00:48 -0500
                                  Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-20 09:39 -0400
                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-20 21:51 +0800
                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-20 15:50 +0000
                                      Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-20 16:41 -0400
                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 16:48 -0700
                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 14:48 -0400
                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-20 17:15 +0000
                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@battlestar.co.uk - 2026-10-20 17:24 +0000
                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-20 20:50 +0200
                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 19:06 -0700
                                        Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@battlestar.co.uk - 2026-10-21 07:47 +0000
                                          Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-21 11:06 -0400
                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-21 23:10 +0800
                                              Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-21 12:29 -0400
                                            Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@battlestar.co.uk - 2026-10-21 17:50 +0000
                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-21 14:12 -0700
                                                Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@battlestar.co.uk - 2026-10-22 14:51 +0000
                                                  Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-22 12:19 -0400
                                                    Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-23 08:01 +0000
                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-23 16:15 +0800
                                                        Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-23 08:16 +0000
                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-23 09:06 -0700
                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-23 16:37 +0000
                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 10:32 -0700
                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-23 14:09 -0400
                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 12:02 -0700
                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-23 20:36 +0000
                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-23 20:28 +0000
                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-24 13:47 -0400
                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-24 21:38 +0000
                                                                  Re: �The end of software secrecy is almost upon Jerry Brown <jerry@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> - 2026-10-25 08:11 +0000
                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-25 09:30 +0000
                                                                      Re: The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-25 08:37 -0700
                                                                        Re: The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-25 08:42 -0700
                                                                      Re: ?The end of software secrecy is almost upon Jerry Brown <jerry@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> - 2026-10-26 07:59 +0000
                                                                        Re: ?The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-26 10:33 +0000
                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 19:30 +0000
                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-23 20:28 +0000
                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 22:50 +0000
                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-24 08:18 +0000
                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 14:49 -0500
                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 19:59 +0000
                                                          Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-24 08:20 +0000
                                                            Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-24 13:53 -0400
                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Blaine <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-24 12:07 -0600
                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Ian <${send-direct-email-to-news1021-at-jusme-dot-com-if-you-must}@jusme.com> - 2026-10-25 08:22 +0000
                                                              Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-25 08:32 +0000
                                                                Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-25 08:10 -0400
                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 13:58 -0400
                                                                    Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-25 19:06 -0400
                                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 17:07 -0700
                                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 22:54 -0400
                                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-26 03:47 +0000
                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-10-26 08:29 +1100
                                                          Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2026-10-25 20:10 -0400
                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Gary R. Schmidt" <grschmidt@acm.org> - 2026-10-25 01:03 +1100
                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 17:08 -0500
                                                      Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-23 14:01 -0400
                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 13:02 -0700
                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 22:57 +0000
                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-23 23:31 +0000
                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-23 17:04 -0700
                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-24 03:44 +0000
                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-24 13:04 -0700
                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-24 21:38 +0000
                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 19:43 -0700
                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-22 19:05 +0000
                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-22 22:48 +0300
                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-23 08:05 +0000
                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-23 11:42 +0300
                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-23 09:18 +0000
                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 12:57 -0400
                                                            Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-23 18:24 +0000
                                                            Whilst All The Computer Experts are Visiting r.a.sf.w. Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> - 2026-10-24 16:12 +1300
                                                              Re: Whilst All The Computer Experts are Visiting r.a.sf.w. Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-24 15:22 +0800
                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 17:40 -0400
                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-10-23 18:50 -0400
                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 16:56 -0700
                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-10-22 16:27 -0400
                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-10-22 15:36 -0500
                                              Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-21 19:20 -0400
                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-21 17:57 +0200
                                            Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@battlestar.co.uk - 2026-10-21 18:02 +0000
                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-21 20:26 +0200
                                                Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@battlestar.co.uk - 2026-10-21 18:48 +0000
                                                  Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-21 19:01 +0000
                                                    Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@battlestar.co.uk - 2026-10-22 14:50 +0000
                                                      Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-22 16:02 +0000
                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-10-22 16:25 -0400
                                                          Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-22 22:01 +0000
                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-23 11:28 +0200
                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-10-23 10:21 -0400
                                                              Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-23 20:49 +0000
                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-23 00:23 +0100
                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-23 00:41 +0000
                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-23 12:06 +0300
                                                        Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-23 07:58 +0000
                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-23 16:06 +0800
                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-23 11:56 +0300
                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-23 17:15 +0800
                                                      Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-22 16:22 +0000
                                                        Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-23 08:03 +0000
                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 12:58 -0700
                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 14:06 -0700
                                                          Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-23 20:45 +0000
                                                            Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-24 08:21 +0000
                                                              Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-24 14:25 +0000
                                                                Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-24 14:51 +0000
                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-24 22:55 +0800
                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-24 13:07 -0700
                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-24 07:26 -0700
                                                                Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-24 13:57 -0400
                                                                  Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-25 08:34 +0000
                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 14:19 -0700
                                                                      Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-26 10:01 +0000
                                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 13:03 -0700
                                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-26 21:59 +0000
                                                                          Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-28 09:01 +0000
                                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Blaine <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-28 09:47 -0600
                                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-28 14:04 -0700
                                                                              Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-29 16:19 +0000
                                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-29 12:49 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-30 11:21 +0000
                                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-26 22:09 +0200
                                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 20:16 -0700
                                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-28 09:08 +0000
                                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-28 22:05 +0200
                                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-29 16:16 +0000
                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 14:21 -0700
                                                              Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-24 16:41 +0000
                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-24 12:17 -0700
                                                                  Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-24 21:24 +0000
                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-25 01:11 +0300
                                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-25 00:28 +0000
                                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-25 08:42 +0200
                                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-25 13:32 +0000
                                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-25 15:59 +0000
                                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-25 16:15 +0000
                                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-25 16:29 +0000
                                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-25 17:18 +0000
                                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-26 09:54 +0000
                                                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-26 09:50 -0400
                                                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-26 16:58 +0000
                                                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-26 15:32 -0400
                                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 14:31 -0700
                                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-25 08:41 +0000
                                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-25 13:34 +0000
                                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-25 08:41 -0700
                                                                              Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-25 17:06 +0000
                                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> - 2026-10-25 10:19 -0700
                                                                                Re: âThe end of software secrecy is almost upon Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 14:03 -0400
                                                                                  Re: âThe end of software secrecy is almost upon Blaine <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-25 12:21 -0600
                                                                                Re: âThe end of software secrecy is almost upon David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-25 19:26 +0100
                                                                                  Re: âThe end of software secrecy is almost upon Blaine <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-25 12:29 -0600
                                                                                    Re: âThe end of software secrecy is almost upon David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-25 19:59 +0100
                                                                                Re: âThe end of software secrecy is almost upon Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> - 2026-10-26 09:43 +1300
                                                                                  Re: âThe end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-25 19:54 -0700
                                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-25 16:13 +0000
                                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-25 16:17 +0000
                                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-25 16:32 +0000
                                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-25 17:14 +0000
                                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-26 09:51 +0000
                                                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-26 22:04 +0200
                                                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-28 09:06 +0000
                                                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-28 21:47 +0200
                                                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-28 14:09 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-29 16:20 +0000
                                                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-29 23:07 +0200
                                                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-29 22:26 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-30 00:54 +0200
                                                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-30 02:22 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-30 10:59 +0200
                                                                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-30 11:25 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-30 15:23 +0200
                                                                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-30 16:07 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-10-30 20:37 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-30 22:35 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-31 04:14 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-31 05:37 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-31 09:47 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-31 19:56 +0200
                                                                                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-11-01 08:32 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-11-01 21:59 +0200
                                                                                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-11-02 15:43 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-02 16:51 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-11-04 08:48 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-11-04 11:24 +0100
                                                                                                                                    Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-11-04 16:24 +0000
                                                                                                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-11-04 23:53 +0100
                                                                                                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-11-06 15:38 +0200
                                                                                                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-11-06 16:39 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-11-02 23:46 +0200
                                                                                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-02 15:02 -0800
                                                                                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-02 15:03 -0800
                                                                                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-11-03 21:51 +0200
                                                                                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-03 13:10 -0800
                                                                                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-11-04 08:54 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-11-07 01:17 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-11-07 09:41 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-11-07 20:20 +0200
                                                                                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-07 12:19 -0800
                                                                                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-11-08 09:10 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-02 15:00 -0800
                                                                                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-02 14:59 -0800
                                                                                                                            Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-11-04 08:54 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-04 02:22 -0800
                                                                                                                                Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-11-04 16:22 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-04 10:56 -0800
                                                                                                                                    Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-11-04 19:53 +0000
                                                                                                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Gary Scott <garylscott@sbcglobal.net> - 2026-11-04 14:17 -0600
                                                                                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-04 02:24 -0800
                                                                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-01 19:40 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-02 15:06 -0800
                                                                                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-03 02:42 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-02 21:09 -0800
                                                                                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-02 21:11 -0800
                                                                                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-03 07:15 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-06 19:22 -0800
                                                                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-31 09:45 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-31 09:38 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-31 13:11 -0700
                                                                                                                  Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-11-01 08:33 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-01 18:03 -0800
                                                                                                                      Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-11-02 15:44 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-02 14:34 -0800
                                                                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-31 13:14 -0700
                                                                                                                  Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-11-01 08:34 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-01 18:04 -0800
                                                                                                                      Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-11-02 15:45 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-02 14:33 -0800
                                                                              Threads and processes (was: Re: "The end of software secrecy is almost upon) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-25 23:48 +0000
                                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-25 22:56 +0200
                                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 17:22 -0700
                                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-26 09:59 +0000
                                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-26 14:41 +0000
                                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-26 16:16 +0000
                                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-26 21:45 +0200
                                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 13:12 -0700
                                                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-26 22:40 +0200
                                                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 13:44 -0700
                                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-28 08:58 +0000
                                                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-28 14:05 -0700
                                                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-28 14:06 -0700
                                                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-29 00:06 +0200
                                                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-29 16:22 +0000
                                                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-29 22:39 +0200
                                                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-29 15:13 -0700
                                                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-29 22:25 +0000
                                                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-30 02:10 +0000
                                                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-30 11:25 +0000
                                                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-30 11:05 -0700
                                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-11-02 06:17 +0800
                                                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-02 14:54 -0800
                                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 13:05 -0700
                                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-25 10:45 +0100
                                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 20:44 -0700
                                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-27 09:06 +0100
                                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-27 10:22 +0200
                                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-27 10:40 +0000
                                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-27 15:03 +0000
                                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-04 02:34 -0800
                                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-25 15:56 +0000
                                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 19:20 -0700
                                                                    Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-25 08:37 +0000
                                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-25 22:24 +0200
                                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 19:01 -0700
                                                                  Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-25 08:42 +0000
                                                                     Re: what's a process, was The end of software secrecy is almost upon John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-10-25 18:17 +0000
                                                                      Re:  Re: what's a process, was The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-26 09:57 +0000
                                                                        Re: Re: what's a process, was The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-26 03:53 -0700
                                                                          Re: Re: what's a process, was The end of software secrecy is almost upon scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-26 14:44 +0000
                                                                            Re: what's a process, was The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-26 08:56 -0700
                                                                          Re: Re: what's a process, was The end of software secrecy is almost boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-26 16:19 +0000
                                                                            Re: what's a process, was The end of software secrecy is almost Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-26 11:46 -0700
                                                                              Re: what's a process, was The end of software secrecy is almost "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 13:19 -0700
                                                                            Re: what's a process, was The end of software secrecy is almost "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 13:19 -0700
                                                                              Re: what's a process, was The end of software secrecy is almost boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-28 09:09 +0000
                                                                                Re: what's a process, was The end of software secrecy is almost "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-28 14:10 -0700
                                                                          Re: what's a process, was The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2026-10-26 13:36 -1000
                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 19:03 -0700
                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-24 13:12 -0700
                                                                Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-25 08:31 +0000
                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 14:22 -0700
                                                                    Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-26 10:02 +0000
                                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Blaine <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-26 13:10 -0600
                                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> - 2026-10-27 08:43 +1300
                                                                        Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-28 08:57 +0000
                                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Blaine <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-28 08:39 -0600
                                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 13:20 -0700
                                                      Threads and processes (Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-10-26 19:14 -0700
                                                        Re: Threads and processes (Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-27 06:08 +0000
                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-22 09:51 +0800
                                                    Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@battlestar.co.uk - 2026-10-22 14:54 +0000
                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-22 22:44 +0300
                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-10-22 15:41 -0500
                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 03:21 +0000
                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-22 22:31 -0700
                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 06:27 +0000
                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 12:48 -0700
                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 19:56 +0000
                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 13:30 -0700
                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 12:57 -0700
                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-23 11:34 +0200
                                                          Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-23 10:11 +0000
                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-23 09:55 -0700
                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 19:25 +0000
                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-24 12:38 +0200
                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 12:55 -0700
                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 22:46 +0000
                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 16:58 -0700
                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 17:00 -0700
                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-24 03:39 +0000
                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 19:51 -0700
                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-27 05:56 +0000
                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-04 02:36 -0800
                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-23 21:00 +0000
                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-24 05:14 +0800
                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 22:49 +0000
                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-10-25 16:31 +0100
                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-25 20:07 +0000
                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 14:36 -0700
                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-23 16:02 +0800
                                                        Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-23 08:14 +0000
                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-23 16:22 +0800
                                                            Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-23 09:15 +0000
                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-23 18:15 +0800
                                                      Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-23 08:10 +0000
                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-22 09:20 +0200
                                                    Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@battlestar.co.uk - 2026-10-22 14:58 +0000
                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-23 03:52 +0800
                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-04 02:38 -0800
                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-20 12:11 -0700
                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-21 01:29 +0000
                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@battlestar.co.uk - 2026-10-21 07:42 +0000
                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-21 07:55 +0000
                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@battlestar.co.uk - 2026-10-21 08:05 +0000
                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-21 07:41 -0700
                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-22 00:40 +0000
                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-22 00:23 +0000
                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@battlestar.co.uk - 2026-10-22 14:53 +0000
                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-22 19:05 +0000
                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-21 13:27 +0000
                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-22 00:24 +0000
                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-22 09:14 +0800
                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-22 02:00 +0000
                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Steven G. Kargl" <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> - 2026-10-22 02:17 +0000
                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-22 03:35 +0000
                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Steven G. Kargl" <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> - 2026-10-22 04:33 +0000
                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-22 04:50 +0000
                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Steven G. Kargl" <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> - 2026-10-22 04:56 +0000
                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-22 14:34 +0800
                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Steven G. Kargl" <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> - 2026-10-22 07:31 +0000
                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-22 16:40 +0800
                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-10-22 11:18 -0400
                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 03:33 +0000
                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Steven G. Kargl" <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> - 2026-10-23 04:10 +0000
                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-10-22 21:21 -0700
                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-23 05:43 +0000
                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 06:29 +0000
                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 04:22 +0000
                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Steven G. Kargl" <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> - 2026-10-23 05:54 +0000
                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 19:20 +0000
                                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Steven G. Kargl" <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> - 2026-10-23 19:38 +0000
                                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-24 05:19 +0800
                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-22 07:26 -0700
                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 03:19 +0000
                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-22 22:29 -0700
                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 06:25 +0000
                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-23 11:45 +0200
                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-23 09:57 -0700
                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 13:43 -0700
                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 13:50 -0700
                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-24 12:43 +0200
                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 19:29 -0700
                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-23 09:02 -0700
                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 19:19 +0000
                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 13:56 -0700
                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 22:42 +0000
                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 17:01 -0700
                                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-24 03:33 +0000
                                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-24 13:26 -0700
                                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-24 13:27 -0700
                                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-24 22:32 +0000
                                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 19:57 -0700
                                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 20:09 -0700
                                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-24 22:32 +0000
                                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 19:28 -0700
                                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-26 03:43 +0000
                                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 13:23 -0700
                                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-26 21:46 +0000
                                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 14:51 -0700
                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 14:29 -0700
                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 22:43 +0000
                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 17:01 -0700
                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 14:00 -0700
                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 16:16 -0700
                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-26 00:42 +0000
                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 19:11 -0700
                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-26 03:39 +0000
                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 13:26 -0700
                                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-26 21:45 +0000
                                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 14:47 -0700
                                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-10-27 11:00 -0400
                                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-27 09:41 -0700
                                                                            Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-27 18:36 +0000
                                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-04 02:48 -0800
                                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-27 22:22 +0000
                                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-10-27 21:35 -0400
                                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-28 01:43 +0000
                                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-10-27 22:18 -0400
                                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-27 19:28 -0700
                                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-28 14:16 -0700
                                                                                Re: Structured Programming (was Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us”) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-01 23:38 +0000
                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 19:21 -0700
                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-26 03:40 +0000
                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 13:29 -0700
                                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 13:33 -0700
                                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-26 21:45 +0000
                                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 14:53 -0700
                                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-26 22:20 +0000
                                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 15:42 -0700
                                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 16:06 -0700
                                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-26 22:29 +0100
                                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 14:58 -0700
                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 15:46 -0700
                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-22 03:46 +0000
                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-22 04:51 +0000
                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-22 06:39 +0000
                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-10-22 16:54 -0700
                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Steven G. Kargl" <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> - 2026-10-23 01:57 +0000
                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-20 12:10 -0700
                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 15:20 -0500
                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-20 21:20 +0000
                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 16:26 -0500
                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-21 01:35 +0000
                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-21 01:30 +0000
                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-21 20:21 +0800
                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 17:03 -0400
                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Blaine <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-19 16:26 -0600
                              Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-19 19:01 -0400
                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-19 13:09 -0700
      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon  us" WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> - 2026-10-14 08:52 -0400
        Re: âThe end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-15 06:15 +0800
    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-14 14:26 -0700
    Re: The_end_of_software_secrecy_is_almost_upon_us legalize+jeeves@mail.xmission.com (Richard) - 2026-10-15 14:56 +0000
      Re: The_end_of_software_secrecy_is_almost_upon_us Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-10-15 14:07 -0500
        Re: The_end_of_software_secrecy_is_almost_upon_us ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2026-10-15 19:18 +0000
          Re: The_end_of_software_secrecy_is_almost_upon_us Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-10-15 15:02 -0500
    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-15 11:05 -0400
      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-10-15 14:13 -0500
        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Jay Morris <morrisj@epsilon3.me> - 2026-10-15 20:35 -0500
          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-10-24 00:27 -0500
    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" John Smith <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-30 05:04 +0000
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#125316 — Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2026-10-24 22:32 +0000
SubjectRe: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon
Message-ID<11bjbl3$340l8$6@dont-email.me>
In reply to#125310
On Sat, 24 Oct 2026 13:26:07 -0700, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

> On 10/23/2026 8:33 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 23 Oct 2026 17:01:28 -0700, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/23/2026 3:42 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The whole aim of levels of abstraction is to tame the
>>>> multi-headed beast of complexity that is computer programming.
>>>> What you are doing here is breaking down those levels, all in the
>>>> aid of, I don’t know, just to keep using gotos in your code, or
>>>> something.
>>>
>>> Well, not about goto's and such. Just so a lib can inform the
>>> caller as to what it needs to work with. The caller sets it up,
>>> then calls into the init etc. Its being used in a lot of places.
>>> Take Vulkan.
>>
>> Where in Vulkan? Exposing implementation details to the caller not
>> only increases complexity, it also limits the implementor’s ability
>> to change those details later.
>
> Iiic, vkGetBufferMemoryRequirements and
> vkGetImageMemoryRequirements, which return a VkMemoryRequirements
> struct containing size, alignment, and memoryTypeBits. The caller
> allocates the memory with vkAllocateMemory and binds it with
> vkBindBufferMemory.

I had a quick look at that. It seems to have to do with the reality of
graphics hardware implementing different kinds of memory with
different kinds of characteristics, and the impossibility of
completely such ignoring such issues in real-time 3D rendering.

I expect higher-level APIs (e.g. game engines) will wrap all this
behind their own higher-level abstractions, so regular
programmers/game creators don’t have to worry about it.

In short, it’s an abstraction that leaks that you accept only because
you have to, not because it’s a good idea for abstractions in general.
If you can successfully hide issues of memory and other resource
allocation behind your abstraction, you would still rather do it than
not.

So, to get back to my point, the technique I use is based on a form of
structured programming called a “Nassi-Shneiderman diagram”. The
overall structure looks like

    ... initialize object pointer to NULL ...
    do /*once*/
      {
        ... possible other stuff ...
        ... allocate object pointer ...
        if (error occurred)
            break;
        ... possible other stuff using object pointer ...
      }
    while (false);
    ... call free(3) (or equivalent) on object pointer ...

So you can see there is no way out of the inner block without passing
through the dispose call. Using gotos would contribute nothing except
make it harder to assure yourself of the simplicity of the control
flow.

Looks deceptively simple. But the same technique can scale up to quite
complex cases.

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#125377 — Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon

From"Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com>
Date2026-10-25 19:28 -0700
SubjectRe: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon
Message-ID<11bmdri$5umm$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#125316
On 10/24/2026 3:32 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> I had a quick look at that. It seems to have to do with the reality of
> graphics hardware implementing different kinds of memory with
> different kinds of characteristics, and the impossibility of
> completely such ignoring such issues in real-time 3D rendering.
> 
> I expect higher-level APIs (e.g. game engines) will wrap all this
> behind their own higher-level abstractions, so regular
> programmers/game creators don’t have to worry about it.
> 
> In short, it’s an abstraction that leaks that you accept only because
> you have to, not because it’s a good idea for abstractions in general.
> If you can successfully hide issues of memory and other resource
> allocation behind your abstraction, you would still rather do it than
> not.
> 
> So, to get back to my point, the technique I use is based on a form of
> structured programming called a “Nassi-Shneiderman diagram”. The
> overall structure looks like
> 
>      ... initialize object pointer to NULL ...
>      do /*once*/
>        {
>          ... possible other stuff ...
>          ... allocate object pointer ...
>          if (error occurred)
>              break;
>          ... possible other stuff using object pointer ...
>        }
>      while (false);
>      ... call free(3) (or equivalent) on object pointer ...
> 
> So you can see there is no way out of the inner block without passing
> through the dispose call. Using gotos would contribute nothing except
> make it harder to assure yourself of the simplicity of the control
> flow.
> 
> Looks deceptively simple. But the same technique can scale up to quite
> complex cases.


The graphics case is where the leak is unavoidable, but that’s not why 
I’d want it. A lib that never allocates behind your back is what you 
want in embedded, kernel, and arena code, and a foo_create wrapper on 
top gives you the hidden-allocation version for everyone else. Your 
do-once cleanup idiom works fine with it. You just call deinit and 
reclaim the block the way you made it. It’s a way to structure the 
caller’s error handling, and it doesn’t say anything about who owns the 
memory.

Say memory on a threads stack, no free needed.

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#125382 — Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2026-10-26 03:43 +0000
SubjectRe: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon
Message-ID<11bmi89$78mo$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#125377
On Sun, 25 Oct 2026 19:28:00 -0700, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

> A lib that never allocates behind your back is what you
> want in embedded, kernel, and arena code ...

Even kernels want a common memory-management architecture, so addon
modules don’t have to reinvent memory management on their own.

Think of something like allocating low-priority cache memory, for
stuff that can be dumped if necessary: that needs to be managed in the
core of the kernel, so that if apps need regular memory for things
they want to keep in memory, the kernel can free up cache as necessary
to make more memory available.

Stop trying to rationalize away the whole point of dynamic memory
allocation.

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#125415 — Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon

From"Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com>
Date2026-10-26 13:23 -0700
SubjectRe: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon
Message-ID<11boct2$ugib$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#125382
On 10/25/2026 8:43 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Oct 2026 19:28:00 -0700, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> 
>> A lib that never allocates behind your back is what you
>> want in embedded, kernel, and arena code ...
> 
> Even kernels want a common memory-management architecture, so addon
> modules don’t have to reinvent memory management on their own.
> 
> Think of something like allocating low-priority cache memory, for
> stuff that can be dumped if necessary: that needs to be managed in the
> core of the kernel, so that if apps need regular memory for things
> they want to keep in memory, the kernel can free up cache as necessary
> to make more memory available.
> 
> Stop trying to rationalize away the whole point of dynamic memory
> allocation.

If you need dynamic memory fine. If a lib allocates things for itself, 
fine. Just make sure to know how to clean it up. Also, the caller can 
use dynamic memory if it wants to. RAII is pretty nice here.

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#125424 — Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2026-10-26 21:46 +0000
SubjectRe: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon
Message-ID<11bohnl$10aqu$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#125415
On Mon, 26 Oct 2026 13:23:59 -0700, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

> If you need dynamic memory fine.

What the hell do you think we have been talking about this whole
time??

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#125426 — Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon

From"Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com>
Date2026-10-26 14:51 -0700
SubjectRe: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon
Message-ID<11boi1t$107r1$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to#125424
On 10/26/2026 2:46 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Oct 2026 13:23:59 -0700, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> 
>> If you need dynamic memory fine.
> 
> What the hell do you think we have been talking about this whole
> time??

Why do you "seem" to think we "always" need dynamic memory? Then you ask 
this gem:
__________
Does that apply to the caller of library APIs like malloc(3) and
free(3)?
__________

See, the caller is responsible for managing things. Say foo_create that 
succeeds. Well, now the caller must call foo_destroy.

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#125267 — Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon

From"Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com>
Date2026-10-23 14:29 -0700
SubjectRe: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon
Message-ID<11bgjjk$26gm8$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#125239
On 10/23/2026 12:19 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> That obviously wouldn't work, since then the caller would have to
> know something about the object beforehand.

non sequitur?

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#125270 — Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2026-10-23 22:43 +0000
SubjectRe: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon
Message-ID<11bgntv$27pn2$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#125267
On Fri, 23 Oct 2026 14:29:22 -0700, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

> On 10/23/2026 12:19 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>> That obviously wouldn't work, since then the caller would have to
>> know something about the object beforehand.
> 
> non sequitur?

I don’t care, because ... I didn’t say that.

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#125281 — Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon

From"Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com>
Date2026-10-23 17:01 -0700
SubjectRe: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon
Message-ID<11bgshf$299in$5@dont-email.me>
In reply to#125270
On 10/23/2026 3:43 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Oct 2026 14:29:22 -0700, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> 
>> On 10/23/2026 12:19 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>>>
>>> That obviously wouldn't work, since then the caller would have to
>>> know something about the object beforehand.
>>
>> non sequitur?
> 
> I don’t care, because ... I didn’t say that.

Oh sorry.

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#125261 — Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon

From"Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com>
Date2026-10-23 14:00 -0700
SubjectRe: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon
Message-ID<11bghta$25s0d$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#125228
On 10/23/2026 9:02 AM, Peter Flass wrote:
> On 10/22/26 22:29, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> On 10/22/2026 8:19 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>>> On Thu, 22 Oct 2026 07:26:21 -0700, Peter Flass wrote:
>>>
>>>> That's why I try to use PL/I AUTOMATIC (stack) storage and not
>>>> allocate a lot of stuff. You need to have a disciplined approach if
>>>> you allocate random stuff here and there.
>>>
>>> What if you’re building an object that needs to be returned to the
>>> caller?
>>
>> Have the caller have the object before hand and call a function to 
>> initialize it?
> 
> That obviously wouldn't work, since then the caller would have to know 
> something about the object beforehand. I think you'd have to depend on 
> the compiler to destroy the object when it goes out of scope, unless the 
> caller destroys it itself.

Knowing a size and an alignment requirement doesn't mean the caller 
knows how the object works or what fields it holds. It just means they 
know the dimensions of the box. They get a handle or a raw pointer, 
while the internal layout remains entirely hidden behind the API. That 
is textbook encapsulation

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#125366 — Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon

From"Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com>
Date2026-10-25 16:16 -0700
SubjectRe: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon
Message-ID<11bm2kg$2d3a$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#125197
On 10/22/2026 10:29 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> On 10/22/2026 8:19 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>> On Thu, 22 Oct 2026 07:26:21 -0700, Peter Flass wrote:
>>
>>> That's why I try to use PL/I AUTOMATIC (stack) storage and not
>>> allocate a lot of stuff. You need to have a disciplined approach if
>>> you allocate random stuff here and there.
>>
>> What if you’re building an object that needs to be returned to the
>> caller?
> 
> Have the caller have the object before hand and call a function to 
> initialize it?

Even analogous, to say, an API that says read n bytes and store into 
buffer. Well, the caller has lifetime of said buffer. The caller makes 
the buffer, calls into the function. The buffer bounds are known. Say a 
metadata stub:

struct foobar_caller_alloc_helper
{
     size_t m_size;
     size_t m_align;
};



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#125372 — Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2026-10-26 00:42 +0000
SubjectRe: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon
Message-ID<11bm7mf$3thd$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#125366
On Sun, 25 Oct 2026 16:16:26 -0700, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

> Even analogous, to say, an API that says read n bytes and store into 
> buffer. Well, the caller has lifetime of said buffer. The caller makes 
> the buffer, calls into the function.

So how is the caller supposed to manage that memory?

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#125375 — Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon

From"Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com>
Date2026-10-25 19:11 -0700
SubjectRe: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon
Message-ID<11bmctb$5l5h$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#125372
On 10/25/2026 5:42 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Oct 2026 16:16:26 -0700, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> 
>> Even analogous, to say, an API that says read n bytes and store into
>> buffer. Well, the caller has lifetime of said buffer. The caller makes
>> the buffer, calls into the function.
> 
> So how is the caller supposed to manage that memory?

Ummm, say we wanted to have a buffer and use it.

Say:

{
     char buf[2048] = { '\0' };
     size_t bytes= foo_read(self, buf, 1024);
}

A caller provided buffer is normal with a lot of API's out there.

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#125380 — Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2026-10-26 03:39 +0000
SubjectRe: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon
Message-ID<11bmi1p$78mo$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#125375
On Sun, 25 Oct 2026 19:11:48 -0700, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

> A caller provided buffer is normal with a lot of API's out there.

No it isn’t. It’s not a good way to manage things, anyway: instead of
solving the resource-allocation problem once and for all in the
library API, you are pushing the burden onto all the client code, each
one of which has to solve it for itself.

That’s a dumb way to design things.

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#125416 — Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon

From"Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com>
Date2026-10-26 13:26 -0700
SubjectRe: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon
Message-ID<11bod1u$ugib$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#125380
On 10/25/2026 8:39 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Oct 2026 19:11:48 -0700, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> 
>> A caller provided buffer is normal with a lot of API's out there.
> 
> No it isn’t. It’s not a good way to manage things, anyway: instead of
> solving the resource-allocation problem once and for all in the
> library API, you are pushing the burden onto all the client code, each
> one of which has to solve it for itself.
> 
> That’s a dumb way to design things.

HUH? How do you call say, fread without a user provided buffer?

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#125423 — Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2026-10-26 21:45 +0000
SubjectRe: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon
Message-ID<11bohmi$10aqu$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#125416
On Mon, 26 Oct 2026 13:26:38 -0700, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

> HUH? How do you call say, fread without a user provided buffer?

Relevance being?

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#125425 — Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon

From"Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com>
Date2026-10-26 14:47 -0700
SubjectRe: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon
Message-ID<11bohos$107r1$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#125423
On 10/26/2026 2:45 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Oct 2026 13:26:38 -0700, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> 
>> HUH? How do you call say, fread without a user provided buffer?
> 
> Relevance being?

Ummm... What we were talking about. You snipped a lot. See, the caller 
needs to have the buffer in order to call fread, right?

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#125450 — Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon

FromJames Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu>
Date2026-10-27 11:00 -0400
SubjectRe: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon
Message-ID<11bqe9q$1k0hc$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#125423
On 2026-10-26 17:45, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Oct 2026 13:26:38 -0700, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
[restore snippage]>> On 2026-10-25 23:39, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>>> On Sun, 25 Oct 2026 19:11:48 -0700, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>> 
>>>> A caller provided buffer is normal with a lot of API's out there.
>>> 
>>> No it isn’t. It’s not a good way to manage things, anyway: instead of
>>> solving the resource-allocation problem once and for all in the
>>> library API, you are pushing the burden onto all the client code, each
>>> one of which has to solve it for itself.
>>> 
>>> That’s a dumb way to design things.

>> HUH? How do you call say, fread without a user provided buffer?
> 
> Relevance being?

fread() uses a caller-provided buffer, which, according to your previous
comment, "push[es] the burden onto all the client code, each one of
which has to solve it for itself", so according to you, "That's a dumb
way to design things"..If that isn't your actual opinion of fread(),
your comments need to be at least a little more nuanced to avoid
applying to fread().

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#125452 — Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon

FromPeter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com>
Date2026-10-27 09:41 -0700
SubjectRe: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon
Message-ID<11bqk7c$1mc11$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#125450
On 10/27/26 08:00, James Kuyper wrote:
> On 2026-10-26 17:45, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2026 13:26:38 -0700, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> [restore snippage]>> On 2026-10-25 23:39, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 25 Oct 2026 19:11:48 -0700, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> A caller provided buffer is normal with a lot of API's out there.
>>>>
>>>> No it isn’t. It’s not a good way to manage things, anyway: instead of
>>>> solving the resource-allocation problem once and for all in the
>>>> library API, you are pushing the burden onto all the client code, each
>>>> one of which has to solve it for itself.
>>>>
>>>> That’s a dumb way to design things.
> 
>>> HUH? How do you call say, fread without a user provided buffer?
>>
>> Relevance being?
> 
> fread() uses a caller-provided buffer, which, according to your previous
> comment, "push[es] the burden onto all the client code, each one of
> which has to solve it for itself", so according to you, "That's a dumb
> way to design things"..If that isn't your actual opinion of fread(),
> your comments need to be at least a little more nuanced to avoid
> applying to fread().

The difference is that the size of the buffer for fread() is the maximum 
you want/expect to read. The size of an object is the size it is, not 
necessarily what you expect. If you don't provide enough space you will 
truncate.

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#125453 — Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon

Fromscott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
Date2026-10-27 18:36 +0000
SubjectRe: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon
Message-ID<4b6ES.2085$y_V1.536@fx12.iad>
In reply to#125452
Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> writes:
>On 10/27/26 08:00, James Kuyper wrote:
>> On 2026-10-26 17:45, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2026 13:26:38 -0700, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> [restore snippage]>> On 2026-10-25 23:39, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 25 Oct 2026 19:11:48 -0700, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> A caller provided buffer is normal with a lot of API's out there.
>>>>>
>>>>> No it isn’t. It’s not a good way to manage things, anyway: instead of
>>>>> solving the resource-allocation problem once and for all in the
>>>>> library API, you are pushing the burden onto all the client code, each
>>>>> one of which has to solve it for itself.
>>>>>
>>>>> That’s a dumb way to design things.
>> 
>>>> HUH? How do you call say, fread without a user provided buffer?
>>>
>>> Relevance being?
>> 
>> fread() uses a caller-provided buffer, which, according to your previous
>> comment, "push[es] the burden onto all the client code, each one of
>> which has to solve it for itself", so according to you, "That's a dumb
>> way to design things"..If that isn't your actual opinion of fread(),
>> your comments need to be at least a little more nuanced to avoid
>> applying to fread().
>
>The difference is that the size of the buffer for fread() is the maximum 
>you want/expect to read. The size of an object is the size it is, not 
>necessarily what you expect. If you don't provide enough space you will 
>truncate.

Which isn't a significant issue with fread, since the underlying stdio
buffer (or kernel file cache or terminal driver buffer) will hold the
unread information for the next call to fread.

fread(3) is basically obsolete for most high-performance applications
which map the file directly into the process address space (mmap).

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