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  best way to pass a multiple dimension variable to a method Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2022-12-21 14:37 -0600
    Re: best way to pass a multiple dimension variable to a method Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-12-21 17:10 -0500
    Re: best way to pass a multiple dimension variable to a method Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2022-12-21 16:18 -0600
      Re: best way to pass a multiple dimension variable to a method Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2022-12-21 18:03 -0800
        Re: best way to pass a multiple dimension variable to a method David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2022-12-22 15:03 +0100
      Re: best way to pass a multiple dimension variable to a method Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2022-12-22 03:02 +0000
        Re: best way to pass a multiple dimension variable to a method Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2022-12-22 02:01 -0600
          Re: best way to pass a multiple dimension variable to a method Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2022-12-22 00:25 -0800
          Re: best way to pass a multiple dimension variable to a method Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2022-12-22 12:13 +0000
    Re: best way to pass a multiple dimension variable to a method Paavo Helde <eesnimi@osa.pri.ee> - 2022-12-22 09:07 +0200
    Re: best way to pass a multiple dimension variable to a method Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2022-12-22 22:10 -0600
    Re: best way to pass a multiple dimension variable to a method Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2022-12-22 22:23 -0600

#88207 — best way to pass a multiple dimension variable to a method

What is the best way to pass a multiple dimension variable to a method 
in C++ ?

For instance, in C you could do the following:

	double xyz [5] [2] [14];
	...
	amethod (xyz, ...);

Thanks,
Lynn

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#88208

On 12/21/22 3:37 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> What is the best way to pass a multiple dimension variable to a method 
> in C++ ?
> 
> For instance, in C you could do the following:
> 
>      double xyz [5] [2] [14];
>      ...
>      amethod (xyz, ...);
> 
> Thanks,
> Lynn
> 

You can do the same thing in C++ with a primative array, or
you can define a container that acts like a multidimensional object, or
you can use something like a vector of vectors (or array object of array 
objects)

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#88209

On 12/21/2022 2:37 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> What is the best way to pass a multiple dimension variable to a method 
> in C++ ?
> 
> For instance, in C you could do the following:
> 
>      double xyz [5] [2] [14];
>      ...
>      amethod (xyz, ...);
> 
> Thanks,
> Lynn

I am looking at
    https://www.educba.com/3d-arrays-in-c-plus-plus/
and
 
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/8767166/passing-a-2d-array-to-a-c-function

Thanks,
Lynn

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#88210

On Thursday, 22 December 2022 at 00:18:46 UTC+2, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 12/21/2022 2:37 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote: 
> > What is the best way to pass a multiple dimension variable to a method 
> > in C++ ? 
> > 
> > For instance, in C you could do the following: 
> > 
> >     double xyz [5] [2] [14]; 
> >     ... 
> >     amethod (xyz, ...); 
> > 
> > Thanks, 
> > Lynn
> I am looking at 
> https://www.educba.com/3d-arrays-in-c-plus-plus/ 
> and 
> 
> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/8767166/passing-a-2d-array-to-a-c-function 

If the xyz is raw fixed dimension array then passing by reference is best as it
is not losing any dimension information.
void amethod(double (&xyz)[5][2][14], ...)  

About "multiple dimension variable"  it depends on properties and usage.
What dimensions you want to be dynamic if any and with what algorithms
you want to process it. With little object of 140 doubles the usage does not
matter but if it is far bigger than 500 doubles then cache-friendliness of data
layout for processing can show noticeable differences.

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#88221

On 22/12/2022 03:03, Öö Tiib wrote:
> On Thursday, 22 December 2022 at 00:18:46 UTC+2, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> On 12/21/2022 2:37 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>> What is the best way to pass a multiple dimension variable to a method
>>> in C++ ?
>>>
>>> For instance, in C you could do the following:
>>>
>>>      double xyz [5] [2] [14];
>>>      ...
>>>      amethod (xyz, ...);
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Lynn
>> I am looking at
>> https://www.educba.com/3d-arrays-in-c-plus-plus/
>> and
>>
>> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/8767166/passing-a-2d-array-to-a-c-function
> 
> If the xyz is raw fixed dimension array then passing by reference is best as it
> is not losing any dimension information.
> void amethod(double (&xyz)[5][2][14], ...)
> 

I would suggest that any time you have fixed size arrays, you are better 
off using std::array<>.  Then the size is clearly fixed in the type, and 
there are no circumstances in which it "disappears" or the array decays 
into a pointer.  (As Ben pointed out in another thread, it's not always 
easy to tell when this happens.)  And you have container-style methods 
for the array if you want them, while all the time keeping the 
efficiency of a plain C array.

It can be a little ugly to use std::array's of std::arrays, so a 
wrapping class might help.  Or a template using :

template <class T, size_t x, size_t y, size_t z>
using array3d = std::array<std::array<std::array<T, z>, y>, x>;

array3d<double, 5, 2, 14> xyz;

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#88211

Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:

> On 12/21/2022 2:37 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> What is the best way to pass a multiple dimension variable to a method in C++ ?
>> For instance, in C you could do the following:
>>      double xyz [5] [2] [14];
>>      ...
>>      amethod (xyz, ...);

Best is always going to depend on lost of as yet unspecified factors.
Are the sizes (other than the "top-level" one) always know at compile
time?  Are they always the same?

> I am looking at
>    https://www.educba.com/3d-arrays-in-c-plus-plus/

That hardly scratches the surface!

> and
>
> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/8767166/passing-a-2d-array-to-a-c-function

C has variably modified types which means you can pass run-time array
sizes to a C function.  C++ does not have this feature, but then that
page includes some C++ and does not use variably modified types (as far
as I could see).

You probably need to say more about your constraints to get better advice.

-- 
Ben.

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#88215

On 12/21/2022 9:02 PM, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
> 
>> On 12/21/2022 2:37 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>> What is the best way to pass a multiple dimension variable to a method in C++ ?
>>> For instance, in C you could do the following:
>>>       double xyz [5] [2] [14];
>>>       ...
>>>       amethod (xyz, ...);
> 
> Best is always going to depend on lost of as yet unspecified factors.
> Are the sizes (other than the "top-level" one) always know at compile
> time?  Are they always the same?
> 
>> I am looking at
>>     https://www.educba.com/3d-arrays-in-c-plus-plus/
> 
> That hardly scratches the surface!
> 
>> and
>>
>> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/8767166/passing-a-2d-array-to-a-c-function
> 
> C has variably modified types which means you can pass run-time array
> sizes to a C function.  C++ does not have this feature, but then that
> page includes some C++ and does not use variably modified types (as far
> as I could see).
> 
> You probably need to say more about your constraints to get better advice.

I don't know if the array sizes are always known at compile time.  I 
suspect that they are but I am far from sure.

I am moving a 750,000 line F77 / C calculation engine to C++ using a 
modified version of F2C.  F2C converts all multiple dimension arrays to 
single dimension arrays.  Sometimes I convert them back.  Still a few 
unknowns to work out.

Thanks,
Lynn

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#88216

On Thursday, 22 December 2022 at 10:02:02 UTC+2, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 12/21/2022 9:02 PM, Ben Bacarisse wrote: 
> > Lynn McGuire <lynnmc...@gmail.com> writes: 
> > 
> >> On 12/21/2022 2:37 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote: 
> >>> What is the best way to pass a multiple dimension variable to a method in C++ ? 
> >>> For instance, in C you could do the following: 
> >>>     double xyz [5] [2] [14]; 
> >>>     ... 
> >>>     amethod (xyz, ...); 
> > 
> > Best is always going to depend on lost of as yet unspecified factors. 
> > Are the sizes (other than the "top-level" one) always know at compile 
> > time? Are they always the same? 
> > 
> >> I am looking at 
> >> https://www.educba.com/3d-arrays-in-c-plus-plus/ 
> > 
> > That hardly scratches the surface! 
> > 
> >> and 
> >> 
> >> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/8767166/passing-a-2d-array-to-a-c-function 
> > 
> > C has variably modified types which means you can pass run-time array 
> > sizes to a C function. C++ does not have this feature, but then that 
> > page includes some C++ and does not use variably modified types (as far 
> > as I could see). 
> > 
> > You probably need to say more about your constraints to get better advice.
> I don't know if the array sizes are always known at compile time. I 
> suspect that they are but I am far from sure. 
> 
> I am moving a 750,000 line F77 / C calculation engine to C++ using a 
> modified version of F2C. F2C converts all multiple dimension arrays to 
> single dimension arrays. Sometimes I convert them back. Still a few 
> unknowns to work out. 

On such cases where we are transpiling and rearranging handling of
arrays it is worth to write some tests to verify correctness of result and
also to profile its efficiency.

Issue is that Fortran keeps arrays always in column-major order C keeps
arrays always in row-major order. Code of either can be optimised to take
that into account. 

In C++ it is possible to design classes agnostic about that ordering. We
can see that in several linear algebra libraries. Matrices choose ordering
based on what was most efficient to get from algorithm and then
choose algorithms based on ordering what is most efficient to process
and that all is hidden behind scenes so user should not care.  
  

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#88217

Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:

> On 12/21/2022 9:02 PM, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
>> 
>>> On 12/21/2022 2:37 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>> What is the best way to pass a multiple dimension variable to a method in C++ ?
>>>> For instance, in C you could do the following:
>>>>       double xyz [5] [2] [14];
>>>>       ...
>>>>       amethod (xyz, ...);
>> Best is always going to depend on lost of as yet unspecified factors.
>> Are the sizes (other than the "top-level" one) always know at compile
>> time?  Are they always the same?
>> 
>>> I am looking at
>>>     https://www.educba.com/3d-arrays-in-c-plus-plus/
>> That hardly scratches the surface!
>> 
>>> and
>>>
>>> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/8767166/passing-a-2d-array-to-a-c-function
>> C has variably modified types which means you can pass run-time array
>> sizes to a C function.  C++ does not have this feature, but then that
>> page includes some C++ and does not use variably modified types (as far
>> as I could see).
>> You probably need to say more about your constraints to get better advice.
>
> I don't know if the array sizes are always known at compile time.  I
> suspect that they are but I am far from sure.
>
> I am moving a 750,000 line F77 / C calculation engine to C++ using a
> modified version of F2C.  F2C converts all multiple dimension arrays
> to single dimension arrays.  Sometimes I convert them back.  Still a
> few unknowns to work out.

You may better off just passing a pointer to the correct amount of space
and doing the indexing "by hand".

Do you ever need slices like column of row arrays?  That might be
another reason to do the index arithmetic yourself.

-- 
Ben.

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#88213

21.12.2022 22:37 Lynn McGuire kirjutas:
> What is the best way to pass a multiple dimension variable to a method 
> in C++ ?
> 
> For instance, in C you could do the following:
> 
>      double xyz [5] [2] [14];
>      ...
>      amethod (xyz, ...);
> 

This C approach only really works as long as the dimensions are known at 
compile time and the arrays are small (larger arrays won't fit on stack).

In C++, suggesting a custom class containing a plain std::vector for 
data storage and separate dimension info, providing some kind of 3D 
interface on top of that.

Details depend on whether you prefer simple nice interfaces over speed, 
what are your typical dimensions, and what are your typical operations.

In case you are interested in nice interfaces, one can provide nice 
operator[] overloads with proxies, so that you can access elements of 
your array via nice arr[x][y][z], or technically simpler arr.Elem(x, y, z).

In case you are interested in performance, one needs to avoid arithmetic 
or multiple indirections when accessing single elements, and one needs 
to take care about memory locality. This in general means that the 3D 
abstraction becomes leaky; the algorithm working on the data would need 
to take out pointers to the whole linear array, or to the most tightly 
packed linear stretches, and iterate over them by itself. A single pixel 
access function like arr[x][y][z] or arr.Elem(x, y, z) would be pretty 
useless.

No doubt there are already a myriad of multidimensional array libraries 
out there, but as the right solution depends on your needs, data, and 
usage, finding a suitable library might be more complicated than writing 
your own class suited to your needs.

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#88236

On 12/21/2022 2:37 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> What is the best way to pass a multiple dimension variable to a method 
> in C++ ?
> 
> For instance, in C you could do the following:
> 
>      double xyz [5] [2] [14];
>      ...
>      amethod (xyz, ...);
> 
> Thanks,
> Lynn

Thanks to all !  I am slowly puzzling my way through this.

Thanks,
Lynn

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#88237

On 12/21/2022 2:37 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> What is the best way to pass a multiple dimension variable to a method 
> in C++ ?
> 
> For instance, in C you could do the following:
> 
>      double xyz [5] [2] [14];
>      ...
>      amethod (xyz, ...);
> 
> Thanks,
> Lynn

BTW, I am also looking at this:
 
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/13326021/how-to-pass-a-3d-array-as-a-parameter-to-function-c-also-do-global-variables

Thanks,
Lynn

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