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Is this safe?

Started byMuttley@dastardlyhq.com
First post2023-02-20 16:45 +0000
Last post2023-02-21 08:15 -0800
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  Is this safe? Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2023-02-20 16:45 +0000
    Re: Is this safe? Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-02-20 18:34 +0100
      Re: Is this safe? Chris Vine <vine24683579@gmail.com> - 2023-02-20 11:16 -0800
        Re: Is this safe? Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-02-20 21:39 +0100
          Re: Is this safe? Chris Vine <vine24683579@gmail.com> - 2023-02-20 12:56 -0800
            Re: Is this safe? Tony Oliver <guinness.tony@gmail.com> - 2023-02-20 16:17 -0800
              Re: Is this safe? Manu Raju <MR@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-21 01:57 +0000
                Re: Is this safe? Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2023-02-21 09:15 +0000
                  Re: Is this safe? Paavo Helde <eesnimi@osa.pri.ee> - 2023-02-21 12:31 +0200
            Re: Is this safe? Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-02-21 05:36 +0100
              Re: Is this safe? Chris Vine <vine24683579@gmail.com> - 2023-02-21 02:19 -0800
                Re: Is this safe? Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-02-21 14:16 +0100
                  Re: Is this safe? Ralf Goertz <me@myprovider.invalid> - 2023-02-21 14:40 +0100
                  Re: Is this safe? Chris Vine <vine24683579@gmail.com> - 2023-02-21 05:51 -0800
                  Re: Is this safe? Paavo Helde <eesnimi@osa.pri.ee> - 2023-02-21 15:58 +0200
                    Re: Is this safe? Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2023-02-21 14:55 +0000
                      Re: Is this safe? Paavo Helde <eesnimi@osa.pri.ee> - 2023-02-21 19:02 +0200
                        Re: Is this safe? Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2023-02-21 17:13 +0000
                          Re: Is this safe? Paavo Helde <eesnimi@osa.pri.ee> - 2023-02-21 19:58 +0200
                            Re: Is this safe? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-02-21 12:15 -0800
                              Re: Is this safe? Paavo Helde <eesnimi@osa.pri.ee> - 2023-02-21 23:41 +0200
                                Re: Is this safe? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-03-03 12:57 -0800
        Re: Is this safe? Tony Oliver <guinness.tony@gmail.com> - 2023-02-20 16:14 -0800
          Re: Is this safe? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2023-02-20 23:48 -0500
        Re: Is this safe? Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2023-02-21 00:05 -0800
      Re: Is this safe? Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2023-02-21 09:14 +0000
    Re: Is this safe? Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-02-20 21:18 -0500
    Re: Is this safe? Andrey Tarasevich <andreytarasevich@hotmail.com> - 2023-02-20 20:38 -0800
      Re: Is this safe? Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2023-02-21 09:18 +0000
        Re: Is this safe? "Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach@gmail.com> - 2023-02-21 15:12 +0100
          Re: Is this safe? Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2023-02-21 14:53 +0000
            Re: Is this safe? "james...@alumni.caltech.edu" <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2023-02-21 10:35 -0800
              Re: Is this safe? Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2023-02-22 09:25 +0000
                Re: Is this safe? "Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach@gmail.com> - 2023-02-22 22:33 +0100
                  Re: Is this safe? Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2023-02-23 09:25 +0000
                    Re: Is this safe? Andrey Tarasevich <andreytarasevich@hotmail.com> - 2023-02-23 07:05 -0800
                Re: Is this safe? "james...@alumni.caltech.edu" <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2023-02-22 21:21 -0800
                Re: Is this safe? Paavo Helde <eesnimi@osa.pri.ee> - 2023-02-23 09:39 +0200
                  Re: Is this safe? Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2023-02-23 09:35 +0000
                    Re: Is this safe? Paavo Helde <eesnimi@osa.pri.ee> - 2023-02-23 12:30 +0200
                      Re: Is this safe? Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2023-02-23 10:34 +0000
                        Re: Is this safe? Paavo Helde <eesnimi@osa.pri.ee> - 2023-02-23 13:20 +0200
                          Re: Is this safe? Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2023-02-23 16:00 +0000
                            Re: Is this safe? Paavo Helde <eesnimi@osa.pri.ee> - 2023-02-23 18:24 +0200
                              Re: Is this safe? Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2023-02-23 16:28 +0000
                                Re: Is this safe? Paavo Helde <eesnimi@osa.pri.ee> - 2023-02-23 19:01 +0200
                              Re: Is this safe? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2023-02-23 11:57 -0500
                                Re: Is this safe? Paavo Helde <eesnimi@osa.pri.ee> - 2023-02-23 19:12 +0200
                          Re: Is this safe? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2023-02-23 11:57 -0500
                            Re: Is this safe? Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-02-23 12:20 -0500
                              Re: Is this safe? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-02-24 02:15 +0000
                                Re: Is this safe? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-02-24 15:24 -0800
                              Re: Is this safe? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2023-02-24 02:14 -0500
                        Re: Is this safe? Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-02-23 07:18 -0500
                          Re: Is this safe? Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2023-02-23 16:01 +0000
                            Re: Is this safe? Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-02-23 11:50 -0500
                              Re: Is this safe? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-02-23 14:41 -0800
                            Re: Is this safe? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-02-23 19:44 +0100
                        Re: Is this safe? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-02-23 15:02 +0100
                          Re: Is this safe? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-02-23 14:49 +0000
                            Re: Is this safe? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-02-23 16:25 +0100
                          Re: Is this safe? Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2023-02-23 16:10 +0000
                            Re: Is this safe? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-02-23 20:46 +0100
                              Re: Is this safe? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-02-23 20:05 +0000
                                Re: Is this safe? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-02-23 14:48 -0800
                                  Re: Is this safe? Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-02-23 22:12 -0500
                                  Re: Is this safe? Paavo Helde <eesnimi@osa.pri.ee> - 2023-02-24 10:49 +0200
                                Re: Is this safe? Ralf Fassel <ralfixx@gmx.de> - 2023-02-24 11:36 +0100
                                  Re: Is this safe? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-02-24 15:39 +0000
                              Re: Is this safe? Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2023-02-24 10:29 +0000
                                Re: Is this safe? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-02-24 17:20 +0100
                                  Re: Is this safe? Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2023-02-24 17:09 +0000
                                    Re: Is this safe? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-02-24 17:32 +0000
                                      Re: Is this safe? Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2023-02-25 11:56 +0000
                                        Re: Is this safe? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-02-25 16:04 +0100
                                          Re: Is this safe? Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2023-02-25 15:47 +0000
                                            Re: Is this safe? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-02-25 19:13 +0100
                                              Re: Is this safe? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-02-25 19:00 +0000
                                              Re: Is this safe? Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2023-02-27 08:43 +0000
                                                Re: Is this safe? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-02-27 10:31 +0100
                                          Re: Is this safe? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-02-25 16:40 +0000
                                    Re: Is this safe? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-02-24 18:42 +0100
                                      Re: Is this safe? Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2023-02-25 11:58 +0000
                                        Re: Is this safe? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-02-25 16:25 +0100
                                          Re: Is this safe? Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2023-02-25 15:45 +0000
                                            Re: Is this safe? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-02-25 19:15 +0100
                                              Re: Is this safe? Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2023-02-27 08:44 +0000
                                                Re: Is this safe? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-02-27 10:40 +0100
                                                  Re: Is this safe? Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2023-02-27 10:24 +0000
                                                    Re: Is this safe? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-02-27 18:31 +0100
                                                      Re: Is this safe? Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2023-02-28 08:38 +0000
                                                        Re: Is this safe? Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2023-02-28 01:33 -0800
                                                          Re: Is this safe? Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2023-02-28 10:17 +0000
                                                            Re: Is this safe? Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2023-02-28 02:43 -0800
                                                              Re: Is this safe? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-02-28 16:50 +0100
                                                        Re: Is this safe? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-02-28 03:19 -0800
                                                          Re: Is this safe? Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-02-28 08:10 -0500
                                                            Re: Is this safe? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-02-28 05:42 -0800
                                                              Re: Is this safe? Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-02-28 09:39 -0500
                                                                Re: Is this safe? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-02-28 07:12 -0800
                                                                  Re: Is this safe? Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-02-28 11:29 -0500
                                                              Re: Is this safe? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-02-28 16:45 +0100
                                                                Re: Is this safe? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-02-28 11:31 -0800
                                                                  Re: Is this safe? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-02-28 20:59 +0100
                                                              Re: Is this safe? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-03-01 14:29 -0800
                                                        Re: Is this safe? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-02-28 16:37 +0100
                                                          Re: Is this safe? Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2023-02-28 15:56 +0000
                                                            Re: Is this safe? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-02-28 18:34 +0100
                                                              Re: Is this safe? Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2023-03-01 09:37 +0000
                                                                Re: Is this safe? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-03-01 02:29 -0800
                                                                  Re: Is this safe? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-03-01 19:56 +0000
                                                                    Re: Is this safe? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-03-01 12:53 -0800
                                                                      Re: Is this safe? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-03-01 21:13 +0000
                                                                        Re: Is this safe? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-03-02 01:48 -0800
                                                                          Re: Is this safe? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-03-03 21:44 +0000
                                                                            Re: Is this safe? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-03-03 20:16 -0800
                                                                              Re: Is this safe? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-03-04 22:55 +0000
                                                                                Re: Is this safe? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-03-05 07:11 -0800
                                                                                  Re: Is this safe? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-03-05 20:44 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Is this safe? Mr Flibble <flibble2@reddwarf.jmc.corp> - 2023-03-05 21:00 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Is this safe? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-03-05 13:59 -0800
                                                                                        Re: Is this safe? Mr Flibble <flibble2@reddwarf.jmc.corp> - 2023-03-05 23:07 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Is this safe? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-03-06 00:22 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Is this safe? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-03-05 14:26 -0800
                                                                                      Re: Is this safe? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-03-06 00:51 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Is this safe? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-03-06 02:17 -0800
                                                                              Re: Is this safe? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-03-05 08:13 -0800
                                                                                Re: Is this safe? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-03-05 09:05 -0800
                                                                        Re: Is this safe? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-03-14 09:47 -0700
                                                                      Re: Is this safe? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-03-01 14:40 -0800
                                                                      Re: Is this safe? Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2023-03-02 09:07 +0000
                                                                  Re: Is this safe? Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-03-01 21:37 -0500
                                                                    Re: Is this safe? Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2023-03-01 22:30 -0800
                                                                Re: Is this safe? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-03-01 14:27 +0100
                                                                  Re: Is this safe? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-03-01 10:48 -0800
                                                                    Re: Is this safe? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-03-02 10:29 +0100
                                                                Re: Is this safe? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-03-01 19:53 +0000
                                                                  Re: Is this safe? Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2023-03-02 09:08 +0000
                                                                    Re: Is this safe? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-03-02 01:32 -0800
                                                                      Re: Is this safe? Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2023-03-02 09:56 +0000
                                                                        Re: Is this safe? Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2023-03-02 04:02 -0800
                                                                          Re: Is this safe? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-03-02 15:00 +0100
                                                                            Re: Is this safe? Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2023-03-02 07:59 -0800
                                                                          Re: Is this safe? Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2023-03-02 15:38 +0000
                                                                            Re: Is this safe? "james...@alumni.caltech.edu" <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2023-03-02 11:16 -0800
                                                                    Re: Is this safe? "james...@alumni.caltech.edu" <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2023-03-02 11:08 -0800
                                                                      Re: Is this safe? Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2023-03-03 09:53 +0000
                                                                        Re: Is this safe? "james...@alumni.caltech.edu" <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2023-03-04 06:47 -0800
                                                                    Re: Is this safe? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-03-02 19:35 +0000
                                                        Re: Is this safe? "Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach@gmail.com> - 2023-02-28 17:40 +0100
                                  Re: Is this safe? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2023-02-24 12:16 -0500
                                    Re: Is this safe? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-02-24 18:39 +0100
                                      Re: Is this safe? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-02-24 10:03 -0800
                                        Re: Is this safe? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-02-24 19:59 +0100
                                      Re: Is this safe? "Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach@gmail.com> - 2023-02-25 06:47 +0100
                                        Re: Is this safe? Paavo Helde <eesnimi@osa.pri.ee> - 2023-02-25 10:23 +0200
                        Re: Is this safe? Andrey Tarasevich <andreytarasevich@hotmail.com> - 2023-02-23 07:16 -0800
                          Re: Is this safe? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-02-23 14:31 -0800
                        Re: Is this safe? "Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach@gmail.com> - 2023-02-23 16:34 +0100
                          Re: Is this safe? Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2023-02-23 16:15 +0000
                            Re: Is this safe? "Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach@gmail.com> - 2023-02-24 12:17 +0100
                              Re: Is this safe? Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2023-02-24 12:24 +0000
                                Re: Is this safe? Paavo Helde <eesnimi@osa.pri.ee> - 2023-02-24 15:18 +0200
                                  Re: Is this safe? Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2023-02-24 15:55 +0000
                                    Re: Is this safe? Paavo Helde <eesnimi@osa.pri.ee> - 2023-02-24 18:20 +0200
                                      Re: Is this safe? Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2023-02-24 17:05 +0000
                                        Re: Is this safe? Paavo Helde <eesnimi@osa.pri.ee> - 2023-02-24 19:24 +0200
                                        Re: Is this safe? "james...@alumni.caltech.edu" <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2023-02-24 09:46 -0800
                                Re: Is this safe? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-02-24 17:30 +0100
                        Re: Is this safe? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-02-23 17:12 +0000
                    Re: Is this safe? Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2023-02-23 02:47 -0800
                      Re: Is this safe? Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2023-02-23 15:59 +0000
                        Re: Is this safe? Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-02-23 11:55 -0500
                    Re: Is this safe? "james...@alumni.caltech.edu" <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2023-02-23 08:37 -0800
                      Re: Is this safe? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-02-23 14:19 -0800
                  Re: Is this safe? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-02-23 17:09 +0000
                    Re: Is this safe? Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-02-23 12:21 -0500
                      Re: Is this safe? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-02-23 17:55 +0000
                        Re: Is this safe? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-02-23 13:57 -0800
                          Re: Is this safe? Andrey Tarasevich <andreytarasevich@hotmail.com> - 2023-02-23 17:28 -0800
                            Re: Is this safe? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-02-23 21:44 -0800
                              Re: Is this safe? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-02-24 08:48 -0800
            Re: Is this safe? "james...@alumni.caltech.edu" <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2023-02-21 10:58 -0800
              Re: Is this safe? Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2023-02-22 09:26 +0000
                Re: Is this safe? "Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach@gmail.com> - 2023-02-22 22:34 +0100
                  Re: Is this safe? Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2023-02-23 09:29 +0000
                    Re: Is this safe? "james...@alumni.caltech.edu" <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2023-02-23 08:28 -0800
                      Re: Is this safe? Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2023-02-23 17:16 +0000
                        Re: Is this safe? "james...@alumni.caltech.edu" <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2023-02-23 22:24 -0800
                Re: Is this safe? "james...@alumni.caltech.edu" <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2023-02-22 21:30 -0800
                  Re: Is this safe? Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2023-02-23 09:31 +0000
                    Re: Is this safe? "james...@alumni.caltech.edu" <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2023-02-23 22:00 -0800
                      Re: Is this safe? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-02-23 22:20 -0800
                        Re: Is this safe? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2023-02-24 01:34 -0500
                      Re: Is this safe? Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2023-02-24 10:32 +0000
                        Re: Is this safe? "james...@alumni.caltech.edu" <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2023-02-25 00:19 -0800
              Re: Is this safe? Andrey Tarasevich <andreytarasevich@hotmail.com> - 2023-02-22 08:09 -0800
          Re: Is this safe? Andrey Tarasevich <andreytarasevich@hotmail.com> - 2023-02-21 22:32 -0800
            Re: Is this safe? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-02-22 08:32 -0800
              Re: Is this safe? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-02-22 09:17 -0800
                Re: Is this safe? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-04-04 23:28 -0700
                  Re: Is this safe? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-04-05 11:08 -0700
                    Re: Is this safe? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-07-20 09:22 -0700
                      Re: Is this safe? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-07-20 16:42 -0700
                        Re: Is this safe? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-08-08 05:46 -0700
        Re: Is this safe? Andrey Tarasevich <andreytarasevich@hotmail.com> - 2023-02-21 08:15 -0800

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FromTim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com>
Date2023-04-04 23:28 -0700
Message-ID<86355e7sgo.fsf@linuxsc.com>
In reply to#89208
Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> writes:

> Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> writes:
>
>> Andrey Tarasevich <andreytarasevich@hotmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> On 02/21/23 6:12 AM, Alf P. Steinbach wrote:
>>>
>>>> Not what you're asking, but the common convention in C++ is to
>>>> separate the type specification from the variable, i.e. `auto& c`
>>>> not `auto &c`.
>>>>
>>>> But on the third and gripping hand, in this case I'd write `char&
>>>> c`, since there's no advantage in `auto` here and it obscures
>>>> things.
>>>
>>> Not really.  This is a misleading "convention" that has no reason to
>>> exist.  In this case the `&` is a part of an individual declarator,
>>> not a part of decl-specifier-seq.  There's no reason to group the
>>> syntactic elements differently.  It achieves nothing.
>>
>> I would say it achieves less than nothing, because it's misleading.
>> It's like writing a+b * c ;  the grouping suggested by the spacing
>> doesn't match the actual precedence.  In almost all cases it's a
>> mistake to use "contra-syntactic" spacing, and attaching '&' or '*'
>> to a type specifier is definitely one of those mistakes.
>
> I prefer the "int *foo;" spacing (conventional in C) because it follows
> the syntax, but the "int* foo;" spacing has become a convention in C++
> (probably because Stroustrup uses it in his books), and I use it in C++
> for that reason.  I also avoid declarations where it would make a
> difference to a human reader, like "int* foo, bar;".
>
> Most development is on existing code.  It would be poor practice to use
> the "better" spacing on new code while leaving the existing code (which
> most likely uses the C++ conventional spacing) as it is.  It would also
> be poor practice to change all the spacing in a large body of existing
> code.

I'm sure there are lots of people who agree with that opinion,
but that doesn't make it anything more than just an opinion.

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#89930

FromKeith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com>
Date2023-04-05 11:08 -0700
Message-ID<87ileagq15.fsf@nosuchdomain.example.com>
In reply to#89916
Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> writes:
> Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> writes:
>> Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> writes:
>>> Andrey Tarasevich <andreytarasevich@hotmail.com> writes:
>>>> On 02/21/23 6:12 AM, Alf P. Steinbach wrote:
>>>>> Not what you're asking, but the common convention in C++ is to
>>>>> separate the type specification from the variable, i.e. `auto& c`
>>>>> not `auto &c`.
>>>>>
>>>>> But on the third and gripping hand, in this case I'd write `char&
>>>>> c`, since there's no advantage in `auto` here and it obscures
>>>>> things.
>>>>
>>>> Not really.  This is a misleading "convention" that has no reason to
>>>> exist.  In this case the `&` is a part of an individual declarator,
>>>> not a part of decl-specifier-seq.  There's no reason to group the
>>>> syntactic elements differently.  It achieves nothing.
>>>
>>> I would say it achieves less than nothing, because it's misleading.
>>> It's like writing a+b * c ;  the grouping suggested by the spacing
>>> doesn't match the actual precedence.  In almost all cases it's a
>>> mistake to use "contra-syntactic" spacing, and attaching '&' or '*'
>>> to a type specifier is definitely one of those mistakes.
>>
>> I prefer the "int *foo;" spacing (conventional in C) because it follows
>> the syntax, but the "int* foo;" spacing has become a convention in C++
>> (probably because Stroustrup uses it in his books), and I use it in C++
>> for that reason.  I also avoid declarations where it would make a
>> difference to a human reader, like "int* foo, bar;".
>>
>> Most development is on existing code.  It would be poor practice to use
>> the "better" spacing on new code while leaving the existing code (which
>> most likely uses the C++ conventional spacing) as it is.  It would also
>> be poor practice to change all the spacing in a large body of existing
>> code.
>
> I'm sure there are lots of people who agree with that opinion,
> but that doesn't make it anything more than just an opinion.

Obviously.

Did you have anything *useful* to add?

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com
Working, but not speaking, for XCOM Labs
void Void(void) { Void(); } /* The recursive call of the void */

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#91163

FromTim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com>
Date2023-07-20 09:22 -0700
Message-ID<86wmyuzh71.fsf@linuxsc.com>
In reply to#89930
Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> writes:

> Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> writes:
>
>> Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> Andrey Tarasevich <andreytarasevich@hotmail.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> On 02/21/23 6:12 AM, Alf P. Steinbach wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Not what you're asking, but the common convention in C++ is to
>>>>>> separate the type specification from the variable, i.e. `auto& c`
>>>>>> not `auto &c`.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But on the third and gripping hand, in this case I'd write `char&
>>>>>> c`, since there's no advantage in `auto` here and it obscures
>>>>>> things.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not really.  This is a misleading "convention" that has no reason to
>>>>> exist.  In this case the `&` is a part of an individual declarator,
>>>>> not a part of decl-specifier-seq.  There's no reason to group the
>>>>> syntactic elements differently.  It achieves nothing.
>>>>
>>>> I would say it achieves less than nothing, because it's misleading.
>>>> It's like writing a+b * c ;  the grouping suggested by the spacing
>>>> doesn't match the actual precedence.  In almost all cases it's a
>>>> mistake to use "contra-syntactic" spacing, and attaching '&' or '*'
>>>> to a type specifier is definitely one of those mistakes.
>>>
>>> I prefer the "int *foo;" spacing (conventional in C) because it follows
>>> the syntax, but the "int* foo;" spacing has become a convention in C++
>>> (probably because Stroustrup uses it in his books), and I use it in C++
>>> for that reason.  I also avoid declarations where it would make a
>>> difference to a human reader, like "int* foo, bar;".
>>>
>>> Most development is on existing code.  It would be poor practice to use
>>> the "better" spacing on new code while leaving the existing code (which
>>> most likely uses the C++ conventional spacing) as it is.  It would also
>>> be poor practice to change all the spacing in a large body of existing
>>> code.
>>
>> I'm sure there are lots of people who agree with that opinion,
>> but that doesn't make it anything more than just an opinion.
>
> Obviously.
>
> Did you have anything *useful* to add?

As a rule I don't like to participate in discussions of programming
style that are purely subjective.

I object to assertions that are solely statements of opinion being
made as though they were something more than that.

When you have something to say that is more than simply statements
of personal opinion, then I expect I might have something useful
to say about it.

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#91172

FromKeith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com>
Date2023-07-20 16:42 -0700
Message-ID<87lefaqhez.fsf@nosuchdomain.example.com>
In reply to#91163
Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> writes:
> Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> writes:
>> Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> writes:
>>> Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> writes:
>>>> Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> writes:
>>>>> Andrey Tarasevich <andreytarasevich@hotmail.com> writes:
>>>>>> On 02/21/23 6:12 AM, Alf P. Steinbach wrote:
>>>>>>> Not what you're asking, but the common convention in C++ is to
>>>>>>> separate the type specification from the variable, i.e. `auto& c`
>>>>>>> not `auto &c`.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But on the third and gripping hand, in this case I'd write `char&
>>>>>>> c`, since there's no advantage in `auto` here and it obscures
>>>>>>> things.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not really.  This is a misleading "convention" that has no reason to
>>>>>> exist.  In this case the `&` is a part of an individual declarator,
>>>>>> not a part of decl-specifier-seq.  There's no reason to group the
>>>>>> syntactic elements differently.  It achieves nothing.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would say it achieves less than nothing, because it's misleading.
>>>>> It's like writing a+b * c ;  the grouping suggested by the spacing
>>>>> doesn't match the actual precedence.  In almost all cases it's a
>>>>> mistake to use "contra-syntactic" spacing, and attaching '&' or '*'
>>>>> to a type specifier is definitely one of those mistakes.
>>>>
>>>> I prefer the "int *foo;" spacing (conventional in C) because it follows
>>>> the syntax, but the "int* foo;" spacing has become a convention in C++
>>>> (probably because Stroustrup uses it in his books), and I use it in C++
>>>> for that reason.  I also avoid declarations where it would make a
>>>> difference to a human reader, like "int* foo, bar;".
>>>>
>>>> Most development is on existing code.  It would be poor practice to use
>>>> the "better" spacing on new code while leaving the existing code (which
>>>> most likely uses the C++ conventional spacing) as it is.  It would also
>>>> be poor practice to change all the spacing in a large body of existing
>>>> code.
>>>
>>> I'm sure there are lots of people who agree with that opinion,
>>> but that doesn't make it anything more than just an opinion.
>>
>> Obviously.
>>
>> Did you have anything *useful* to add?
>
> As a rule I don't like to participate in discussions of programming
> style that are purely subjective.

Then by all means don't.

> I object to assertions that are solely statements of opinion being
> made as though they were something more than that.

I don't believe I did that.  What I wrote (several months ago)
was partly my opinion, partly what I believe to be facts.  I did
not intend to present it as anything else.  (And I don't think what
I wrote was particularly controversial.)

> When you have something to say that is more than simply statements
> of personal opinion, then I expect I might have something useful
> to say about it.

If you have nothing useful to say, as appears to be the case here, I
suggest saying nothing.

Should I configure my newsreader to add an "X-In-My-Opinion:"
header to everything I post?  (To be clear, I will not do so.)

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com
Will write code for food.
void Void(void) { Void(); } /* The recursive call of the void */

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#91212

FromTim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com>
Date2023-08-08 05:46 -0700
Message-ID<86ttt9bt1x.fsf@linuxsc.com>
In reply to#91172
Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> writes:

> If you have nothing useful to say, as appears to be the case
> here, I suggest saying nothing.

I follow my own judgment as to whether what I say is
relevant or useful.  I expect you do likewise.

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#89185

FromAndrey Tarasevich <andreytarasevich@hotmail.com>
Date2023-02-21 08:15 -0800
Message-ID<tt2qnf$166v7$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#89175
On 02/21/23 1:18 AM, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
> I can't believe I needed to explain what I meant by safe. I was not talking
> about character encoding FFS, I simply used toupper as an example.
> 
> Ok, is this safe:
> 
>     for(auto &c: s) c = 'x';
> 
> Or will it screw up the string object or have no effect in some cases just
> as altering the contents returned by the c_str() pointer can sometimes have?

What you do need to explain is the underlying roots/origins of your 
question. For anyone familiar with the language the above question will 
seem trivial, meaning that people will normally assume that you meant 
something more elaborate than the above.

Yes, the above is fine.

And, BTW, the original `c_str()` issue is no longer relevant. Starting 
from C++11 `c_str()` points to the same location as `data()`, i.e. it is 
required to point to the same controlled sequence that you access by all 
other means.

-- 
Best regards,
Andrey

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