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"Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile"

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First post2026-01-23 21:35 -0600
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  "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-01-23 21:35 -0600
    Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-24 04:46 +0000
      Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Gary Scott <garylscott@sbcglobal.net> - 2026-01-24 10:11 -0600
    Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-01-25 17:13 +0000
      Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-01-25 15:21 -0600
        Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-01-26 01:00 +0100
          Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-26 15:04 +0000
        Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-26 01:42 +0000
          Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-01-26 00:45 -0600
            Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-01-26 14:17 +0200
              Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-01-26 16:50 -0600
          Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-01-26 09:07 +0100
            Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Paavo Helde <eesnimi@osa.pri.ee> - 2026-01-30 14:56 +0200
              Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-01-30 14:37 +0100
            Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-01-30 20:28 +0000
              Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-01-31 12:50 +0100
                Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" G <g@nowhere.invalid> - 2026-01-31 18:50 +0000
                  Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Gary Scott <garylscott@sbcglobal.net> - 2026-01-31 16:10 -0600
                    Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" ImperiusDamian <dgwrightauthor@gmail.com> - 2026-01-31 21:08 -0500
                    Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-01 09:06 +0000
                      Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2026-02-02 11:18 +0100
                        Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-02 21:23 +0000
                          Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2026-02-03 10:33 +0100
                            Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-03 21:29 +0000
                    Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-02-01 11:18 +0100
                      Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Gary Scott <garylscott@sbcglobal.net> - 2026-02-01 08:28 -0600
                Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-02-01 09:42 +0000
                  Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-02-01 11:35 +0100
                    Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-02-01 12:21 -0500
                      Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-02-01 23:01 +0100
                        Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-02-01 19:11 -0500
                          Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-02 04:31 +0000
                          Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-02-02 11:27 +0100
                            Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-02-02 12:49 +0200
                              Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-02-02 13:14 +0100
                                Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-02-02 16:07 +0100
                            Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-02-02 09:36 -0500
                              Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-02-02 16:01 +0100
                                Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-02-02 16:19 +0100
        Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-01-26 22:47 +0000
          Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-01-26 16:51 -0600
          Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-27 05:17 +0000
            Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-01-27 06:45 +0000
              Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-01-27 01:46 -0600
                Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-01-27 00:14 -0800
                  Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-27 15:22 +0000
                    Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-01-27 12:33 -0800
                Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-01-27 11:04 +0200
                  Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Gary Scott <garylscott@sbcglobal.net> - 2026-01-27 08:35 -0600
            Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-27 15:21 +0000
    Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2026-01-31 02:06 +0000
    Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> - 2026-02-02 21:02 +0100
      Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> - 2026-02-02 21:13 +0100
      Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-02 21:25 +0000
      Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-02-03 10:54 +0200
        Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> - 2026-02-03 10:44 +0100
          Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-02-03 09:47 -0500
            Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> - 2026-02-03 16:02 +0100
              Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-02-04 08:45 -0500
          Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-03 21:32 +0000
            Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> - 2026-02-03 22:56 +0100
              Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-04 00:15 +0000
                Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> - 2026-02-04 09:37 +0100
        Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-02-03 17:28 -0600
          Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-04 00:14 +0000
            Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-02-03 20:17 -0600
              Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-04 04:57 +0000
                Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-02-04 08:54 -0500
                  Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-02-04 16:43 -0600
                    Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-05 09:09 +0000
                      Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-02-05 15:47 -0600
                        Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-05 22:35 +0000
            Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-02-04 15:44 +0000
              Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-02-04 16:53 -0600
                Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-05 09:10 +0000
                  Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-02-05 12:10 +0200
                Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-02-07 09:23 +0000
                  Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-02-09 15:25 -0600
          Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-02-04 14:24 +0200
            Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> - 2026-02-04 16:57 +0100
            Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> - 2026-02-04 17:16 +0100
              Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-02-04 16:57 -0600
                Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-05 09:11 +0000
            Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-02-04 16:55 -0600
              Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-02-05 12:24 +0200
          Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-02-04 19:20 +0000
            Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-02-04 17:07 -0600
              Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-02-05 07:23 +0000
                Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-05 09:14 +0000
                  Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-02-05 16:01 -0600
                    Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-05 22:30 +0000
                      Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-02-05 20:22 -0600
                        Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-06 04:50 +0000
                          Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-02-05 23:52 -0600
                        Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Harold Stevens <wookie@aspen.localdomain> - 2026-02-06 04:24 -0600
                Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-02-05 12:02 +0200
                  Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-02-05 18:38 +0000
                    Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-02-13 17:21 -0600
                Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-02-05 11:13 +0100
                Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-02-05 15:58 -0600
                  Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-02-07 19:15 +0000
                    Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-07 20:34 +0000
                      Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-02-08 08:58 +0000
                        Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-02-08 04:07 -0800
                          Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-02-08 15:39 +0200
                        Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-08 23:35 +0000
                      Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-02-09 15:33 -0600
                        Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-10 20:55 +0000
                          Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-02-10 18:57 -0600
                            Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-11 05:57 +0000
                              Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-02-11 14:32 +0100
                                Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-02-11 20:46 +0000
                    Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-02-09 15:29 -0600
                      Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-02-10 06:10 +0000
                    Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-02-09 15:32 -0600
                      Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-02-10 06:07 +0000
                      Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-10 20:17 +0000
                        Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-02-10 20:07 -0600
                          Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-11 05:54 +0000
                            Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-02-11 14:42 +0100
      Re: "Internationalis(z)ing Code - Computerphile" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-02-03 17:32 -0600

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#123388

From"Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl>
Date2026-02-02 11:18 +0100
Message-ID<10lptks$hm30$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#123378
Op 01.feb.2026 om 10:06 schreef Lawrence D’Oliveiro:
> On Sat, 31 Jan 2026 16:10:38 -0600, Gary Scott wrote:
> 
>> Flexibility is taken to a bit extreme in GINO graphics libraries (a
>> UK product), with a calendar that goes all the way back to 1066...:)
> 
>      ldo@theon:~> date -d "1-Jan-1066"
>      Mon 01 Jan 1066 00:00:00 LMT
>      ldo@theon:~> date -d "1-Jan-966"
>      Wed 01 Jan 0966 00:00:00 LMT
>      ldo@theon:~> date -d "1-Jan-866"
>      Fri 01 Jan 0866 00:00:00 LMT

Now it becomes important to indicate whether the Gregorian or the Julian 
calendar is used. Not all countries switched at the same date. That is 
missing in the notation above, so I am not sure about the names of the days.

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#123399

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2026-02-02 21:23 +0000
Message-ID<10lr4k0$vgkr$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#123388
On Mon, 2 Feb 2026 11:18:03 +0100, Fred. Zwarts wrote:

> Op 01.feb.2026 om 10:06 schreef Lawrence D’Oliveiro:
>>
>> On Sat, 31 Jan 2026 16:10:38 -0600, Gary Scott wrote:
>>
>>> Flexibility is taken to a bit extreme in GINO graphics libraries
>>> (a UK product), with a calendar that goes all the way back to
>>> 1066...:)
>>
>>      ldo@theon:~> date -d "1-Jan-1066"
>>      Mon 01 Jan 1066 00:00:00 LMT
>>      ldo@theon:~> date -d "1-Jan-966"
>>      Wed 01 Jan 0966 00:00:00 LMT
>>      ldo@theon:~> date -d "1-Jan-866"
>>      Fri 01 Jan 0866 00:00:00 LMT
>
> Now it becomes important to indicate whether the Gregorian or the Julian
> calendar is used.

    ldo@theon:~> date -d 4-oct-1582
    Mon 04 Oct 1582 00:00:00 LMT
    ldo@theon:~> date -d 15-oct-1582
    Fri 15 Oct 1582 00:00:00 LMT

Proleptic Gregorian.

> Not all countries switched at the same date.

    ldo@theon:~> ncal -s IT oct 1582
        October 1582      
    Mo  1 18 25         
    Tu  2 19 26         
    We  3 20 27         
    Th  4 21 28         
    Fr 15 22 29         
    Sa 16 23 30         
    Su 17 24 31         
    ldo@theon:~> ncal -s GB oct 1582
        October 1582      
    Mo  1  8 15 22 29   
    Tu  2  9 16 23 30   
    We  3 10 17 24 31   
    Th  4 11 18 25      
    Fr  5 12 19 26      
    Sa  6 13 20 27      
    Su  7 14 21 28      
    ldo@theon:~> ncal -s GB sep 1752
        September 1752    
    Mo    18 25         
    Tu  1 19 26         
    We  2 20 27         
    Th 14 21 28         
    Fr 15 22 29         
    Sa 16 23 30         
    Su 17 24            

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#123402

From"Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl>
Date2026-02-03 10:33 +0100
Message-ID<10lsfe5$1c4po$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#123399
Op 02.feb.2026 om 22:23 schreef Lawrence D’Oliveiro:
> On Mon, 2 Feb 2026 11:18:03 +0100, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
> 
>> Op 01.feb.2026 om 10:06 schreef Lawrence D’Oliveiro:
>>>
>>> On Sat, 31 Jan 2026 16:10:38 -0600, Gary Scott wrote:
>>>
>>>> Flexibility is taken to a bit extreme in GINO graphics libraries
>>>> (a UK product), with a calendar that goes all the way back to
>>>> 1066...:)
>>>
>>>       ldo@theon:~> date -d "1-Jan-1066"
>>>       Mon 01 Jan 1066 00:00:00 LMT
>>>       ldo@theon:~> date -d "1-Jan-966"
>>>       Wed 01 Jan 0966 00:00:00 LMT
>>>       ldo@theon:~> date -d "1-Jan-866"
>>>       Fri 01 Jan 0866 00:00:00 LMT
>>
>> Now it becomes important to indicate whether the Gregorian or the Julian
>> calendar is used.
> 
>      ldo@theon:~> date -d 4-oct-1582
>      Mon 04 Oct 1582 00:00:00 LMT
>      ldo@theon:~> date -d 15-oct-1582
>      Fri 15 Oct 1582 00:00:00 LMT
> 
> Proleptic Gregorian.
> 
>> Not all countries switched at the same date.
> 
>      ldo@theon:~> ncal -s IT oct 1582
>          October 1582
>      Mo  1 18 25
>      Tu  2 19 26
>      We  3 20 27
>      Th  4 21 28
>      Fr 15 22 29
>      Sa 16 23 30
>      Su 17 24 31
>      ldo@theon:~> ncal -s GB oct 1582
>          October 1582
>      Mo  1  8 15 22 29
>      Tu  2  9 16 23 30
>      We  3 10 17 24 31
>      Th  4 11 18 25
>      Fr  5 12 19 26
>      Sa  6 13 20 27
>      Su  7 14 21 28
>      ldo@theon:~> ncal -s GB sep 1752
>          September 1752
>      Mo    18 25
>      Tu  1 19 26
>      We  2 20 27
>      Th 14 21 28
>      Fr 15 22 29
>      Sa 16 23 30
>      Su 17 24

What I meant is that the calender should be added in the output. We add 
a time-zone to avoid confusion, for such old dates the calendar should 
be added as well to avoid confusion.
When the country, e.g. IT is known, then we don't need a time zone or 
calendar, strictly speaking, because it can be looked up somewhere, but 
not everyone knows the time zone and the calendar switch by heart and it 
saves time to add them both.
Another thing is that time zones did not exist centuries ago. Every 
place had its own local time.
But how serious should we be?

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#123406

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2026-02-03 21:29 +0000
Message-ID<10ltpb7$1qnh3$5@dont-email.me>
In reply to#123402
On Tue, 3 Feb 2026 10:33:55 +0100, Fred. Zwarts wrote:

> What I meant is that the calender should be added in the output.

The usual assumption (at least internationally) is proleptic
Gregorian, unless otherwise stated.

Also, this:

    ldo@theon:~> TZ=UTC date -d 01-jan-0
    Sat 01 Jan 0000 00:00:00 UTC
    ldo@theon:~> TZ=UTC date -d 01-jan-0 +%s
    -62167219200
    ldo@theon:~> TZ=UTC date -d '@-62167219100'
    Sat 01 Jan 0000 00:01:40 UTC
    ldo@theon:~> TZ=UTC date -d '@-62167219300'
    Fri 31 Dec -001 23:58:20 UTC

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#123380

FromDavid Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Date2026-02-01 11:18 +0100
Message-ID<10ln990$3khd0$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#123375
On 31/01/2026 23:10, Gary Scott wrote:
> On 1/31/2026 12:50 PM, G wrote:
>> In comp.lang.c David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:
>>> On 30/01/2026 21:28, Thomas Koenig wrote:

>>>> I have not yet succeeded in getting LibreOffice to display a decimal
>>>> point with German settings, and when I use US English I get inches
>>>> for paper sizes :-(
>>>>
>>>
>>> Use UK settings, not US settings.  Then at least you get sane paper
>>> sizes and measurement units.
>>>
>> and sane dates...

Indeed.  Some countries use little-endian dates, some use big-endian 
dates, and one country likes muddled-endian dates :-)

> 
> Date format is adjustable in many applications.  Choose the one you 
> want.  Flexibility is taken to a bit extreme in GINO graphics libraries 
> (a UK product), with a calendar that goes all the way back to 1066...:)
> 

Dates from long ago can be very important, and challenging to get right. 
  But I doubt that there is a lot of overlap between people interested 
in programming with graphics libraries and people trying to match up 
exact dates a millennium ago!

(In the MS Office vs. LibreOffice comparison, Excel famously thinks 1900 
was a leap year.  And rather than fix the problem, MS bullied it in as 
an ISO standard.)

>>
>>> LibreOffice has its faults and weaknesses, but it is still far ahead of
>>> MS Office in many aspects.  (Or perhaps "less terrible" is more 
>>> accurate?)
> 

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#123382

FromGary Scott <garylscott@sbcglobal.net>
Date2026-02-01 08:28 -0600
Message-ID<10lnnu3$3q724$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#123380
On 2/1/2026 4:18 AM, David Brown wrote:
> On 31/01/2026 23:10, Gary Scott wrote:
>> On 1/31/2026 12:50 PM, G wrote:
>>> In comp.lang.c David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:
>>>> On 30/01/2026 21:28, Thomas Koenig wrote:
> 
>>>>> I have not yet succeeded in getting LibreOffice to display a decimal
>>>>> point with German settings, and when I use US English I get inches
>>>>> for paper sizes :-(
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Use UK settings, not US settings.  Then at least you get sane paper
>>>> sizes and measurement units.
>>>>
>>> and sane dates...
> 
> Indeed.  Some countries use little-endian dates, some use big-endian 
> dates, and one country likes muddled-endian dates :-)
> 
>>
>> Date format is adjustable in many applications.  Choose the one you 
>> want.  Flexibility is taken to a bit extreme in GINO graphics 
>> libraries (a UK product), with a calendar that goes all the way back 
>> to 1066...:)
>>
> 
> Dates from long ago can be very important, and challenging to get right. 
>   But I doubt that there is a lot of overlap between people interested 
> in programming with graphics libraries and people trying to match up 
> exact dates a millennium ago!

It's part of the graphing/charting library.  It's targeted at 
engineers/scientists/academics.

> 
> (In the MS Office vs. LibreOffice comparison, Excel famously thinks 1900 
> was a leap year.  And rather than fix the problem, MS bullied it in as 
> an ISO standard.)
> 
>>>
>>>> LibreOffice has its faults and weaknesses, but it is still far ahead of
>>>> MS Office in many aspects.  (Or perhaps "less terrible" is more 
>>>> accurate?)
>>
> 

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#123379

FromThomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de>
Date2026-02-01 09:42 +0000
Message-ID<10ln76a$3jree$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#123373
David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> schrieb:
> On 30/01/2026 21:28, Thomas Koenig wrote:

>> I have not yet succeeded in getting LibreOffice to display a decimal
>> point with German settings, and when I use US English I get inches
>> for paper sizes :-(
>> 
>
> Use UK settings, not US settings.  Then at least you get sane paper 
> sizes and measurement units.

That is better, thanks!


> LibreOffice has its faults and weaknesses, but it is still far ahead of 
> MS Office in many aspects.  (Or perhaps "less terrible" is more accurate?)

I find Impress to be very difficult to work with, compared to
PowerPoint.  But the most recent thing that drove me up the wall
was Excel's inability to display a bar graph with non-overlapping
bars for a primary and secondary axis, so I can display data like

a	2	0.1
b	3	0.3
c	5	0.2

in a sane way.  Libreoffice Calc can actually do this.
-- 
This USENET posting was made without artificial intelligence,
artificial impertinence, artificial arrogance, artificial stupidity,
artificial flavorings or artificial colorants.

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#123381

FromDavid Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Date2026-02-01 11:35 +0100
Message-ID<10lnaa2$3khd0$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#123379
On 01/02/2026 10:42, Thomas Koenig wrote:
> David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> schrieb:
>> On 30/01/2026 21:28, Thomas Koenig wrote:
> 
>>> I have not yet succeeded in getting LibreOffice to display a decimal
>>> point with German settings, and when I use US English I get inches
>>> for paper sizes :-(
>>>
>>
>> Use UK settings, not US settings.  Then at least you get sane paper
>> sizes and measurement units.
> 
> That is better, thanks!

I fully understand why many people from non-English-speaking countries 
sometimes find it best to have an English locale or language settings on 
their systems.  But I have never understood why they pick US English for 
the purpose.  Despite the Brexit madness, UK standards are far closer to 
European norms than the US standards are.  And for many purposes, those 
norms are nearly global - the US is the only one that is different. 
(Although for dates, China and Japan and a few other countries use YMD 
ordering daily, while most of the world only uses it for more technical 
documents.)

> 
>> LibreOffice has its faults and weaknesses, but it is still far ahead of
>> MS Office in many aspects.  (Or perhaps "less terrible" is more accurate?)
> 
> I find Impress to be very difficult to work with, compared to
> PowerPoint.

 From my limited experience in that area, I agree - PowerPoint is the 
one part of MS Office that is a lot better than LibreOffice.

>  But the most recent thing that drove me up the wall
> was Excel's inability to display a bar graph with non-overlapping
> bars for a primary and secondary axis, so I can display data like
> 
> a	2	0.1
> b	3	0.3
> c	5	0.2
> 
> in a sane way.  Libreoffice Calc can actually do this.

Another difference I have seen is in graphs with some missing data. 
Excel fills in the gaps with 0, while LibreOffice draws the graphs with 
appropriate gaps.

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#123383

FromJames Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu>
Date2026-02-01 12:21 -0500
Message-ID<10lo232$3ups0$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#123381
On 2026-02-01 05:35, David Brown wrote:
...
> I fully understand why many people from non-English-speaking countries 
> sometimes find it best to have an English locale or language settings on 
> their systems.  But I have never understood why they pick US English for 
> the purpose.  Despite the Brexit madness, UK standards are far closer to 
> European norms than the US standards are.  And for many purposes, those 
> norms are nearly global - the US is the only one that is different. 
Because the US is fairly big, and has economic power disproportionate to
it's size, so it's peculiarities get catered to more often than might
otherwise seem justified. I am a US citizen, but I'm not endorsing this,
merely describing it.

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#123384

FromDavid Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Date2026-02-01 23:01 +0100
Message-ID<10loifs$4qre$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#123383
On 01/02/2026 18:21, James Kuyper wrote:
> On 2026-02-01 05:35, David Brown wrote:
> ...
>> I fully understand why many people from non-English-speaking countries
>> sometimes find it best to have an English locale or language settings on
>> their systems.  But I have never understood why they pick US English for
>> the purpose.  Despite the Brexit madness, UK standards are far closer to
>> European norms than the US standards are.  And for many purposes, those
>> norms are nearly global - the US is the only one that is different.
> Because the US is fairly big, and has economic power disproportionate to
> it's size, so it's peculiarities get catered to more often than might
> otherwise seem justified. I am a US citizen, but I'm not endorsing this,
> merely describing it.

Sure - the US has a lot of influence on the rest of the world for a 
great many reasons (some good, some bad, with that judgement being 
highly subjective).  We are using a protocol written in the USA, 
transported over a network system developed (at least initially) in the 
USA, to discuss a programming language from the USA.  I've no problem 
with that.

But when people in other countries want to choose an English language 
environment (because English has a lot of influence on the world - for 
good reasons and bad reasons), why pick an environment that has more 
incompatibilities and baggage than necessary?  I expect it is mostly a 
matter of sticking to default choices unless you know you need something 
different, and simply not thinking about the alternatives.

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#123385

FromJames Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu>
Date2026-02-01 19:11 -0500
Message-ID<10loq3n$3ups0$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#123384
On 2026-02-01 17:01, David Brown wrote:
...
> But when people in other countries want to choose an English language
> environment (because English has a lot of influence on the world - for
> good reasons and bad reasons), why pick an environment that has more
> incompatibilities and baggage than necessary? I expect it is mostly a
> matter of sticking to default choices unless you know you need
> something different, and simply not thinking about the alternatives.

The US has three times as many native speakers of English than the
entire rest of the world combined, including the entire British
Commonwealth. When someone from a non-English speaking country sets up
an English compatible environment, there's a pretty good chance he's
doing so to communicate with people in the US, rather than other parts
of English-speaking world.

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#123387

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2026-02-02 04:31 +0000
Message-ID<10lp9bc$bgk5$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#123385
On Sun, 1 Feb 2026 19:11:35 -0500, James Kuyper wrote:

> The US has three times as many native speakers of English than the
> entire rest of the world combined, including the entire British
> Commonwealth.

But they’re almost all concentrated in one place.

This is like the issue with Mandarin, which has more speakers than
English, but they are largely confined to one country.

British English (and its offshoots) remain the most widely spoken
language, not purely by numbers, but by sheer distribution.

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#123389

FromDavid Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Date2026-02-02 11:27 +0100
Message-ID<10lpu79$hqcs$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#123385
On 02/02/2026 01:11, James Kuyper wrote:
> On 2026-02-01 17:01, David Brown wrote:
> ...
>> But when people in other countries want to choose an English language
>> environment (because English has a lot of influence on the world - for
>> good reasons and bad reasons), why pick an environment that has more
>> incompatibilities and baggage than necessary? I expect it is mostly a
>> matter of sticking to default choices unless you know you need
>> something different, and simply not thinking about the alternatives.
> 
> The US has three times as many native speakers of English than the
> entire rest of the world combined, including the entire British
> Commonwealth. 

There are about 400 million native English speakers around the world, of 
which about 230 are in the USA.  Of course any such numbers will be 
estimates, with surveys being from different years, but it certainly 
looks like you overestimate the numerical ratios.

Still, the native speaker numbers are not the relevant numbers here - it 
is primarily the second language users that matter.  That is, of course, 
even more difficult to judge well - there is no consensus on how well a 
second language must be understood to count as an English speaker.  Best 
guesses, as far as I can see, are about 1.1 billion.

> When someone from a non-English speaking country sets up
> an English compatible environment, there's a pretty good chance he's
> doing so to communicate with people in the US, rather than other parts
> of English-speaking world.
> 

No, by far the most likely reason for a non-native English speaker to 
speak English is to communicate with another non-native English speaker. 
  English is the lingua franca of the world.

But my point was more about the factors /other/ than the language.  The 
whole world, other than the USA, uses metric for everything technical. 
The whole world, other than the USA, Canada and Mexico uses A4 and 
related paper sizes.  The whole world, other than the USA, uses either 
little-endian or big-endian dates.

Thus for perhaps 80% of people in the world using a computer and 
communicating in English, UK locale settings are a better fit than US 
locale settings.  (For many, perhaps most, other English variants - like 
Indian English locale, would be even better.)



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#123390

FromMichael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com>
Date2026-02-02 12:49 +0200
Message-ID<20260202124922.00001913@yahoo.com>
In reply to#123389
On Mon, 2 Feb 2026 11:27:53 +0100
David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:

> On 02/02/2026 01:11, James Kuyper wrote:
> > On 2026-02-01 17:01, David Brown wrote:
> > ...  
> >> But when people in other countries want to choose an English
> >> language environment (because English has a lot of influence on
> >> the world - for good reasons and bad reasons), why pick an
> >> environment that has more incompatibilities and baggage than
> >> necessary? I expect it is mostly a matter of sticking to default
> >> choices unless you know you need something different, and simply
> >> not thinking about the alternatives.  
> > 
> > The US has three times as many native speakers of English than the
> > entire rest of the world combined, including the entire British
> > Commonwealth.   
> 
> There are about 400 million native English speakers around the world,
> of which about 230 are in the USA.  Of course any such numbers will
> be estimates, with surveys being from different years, but it
> certainly looks like you overestimate the numerical ratios.
> 
> Still, the native speaker numbers are not the relevant numbers here -
> it is primarily the second language users that matter.  That is, of
> course, even more difficult to judge well - there is no consensus on
> how well a second language must be understood to count as an English
> speaker.  Best guesses, as far as I can see, are about 1.1 billion.
> 
> > When someone from a non-English speaking country sets up
> > an English compatible environment, there's a pretty good chance he's
> > doing so to communicate with people in the US, rather than other
> > parts of English-speaking world.
> >   
> 
> No, by far the most likely reason for a non-native English speaker to 
> speak English is to communicate with another non-native English
> speaker. English is the lingua franca of the world.
> 
> But my point was more about the factors /other/ than the language.
> The whole world, other than the USA, uses metric for everything
> technical. The whole world, other than the USA, Canada and Mexico
> uses A4 and related paper sizes.  The whole world, other than the
> USA, uses either little-endian or big-endian dates.
> 
> Thus for perhaps 80% of people in the world using a computer and 
> communicating in English, UK locale settings are a better fit than US 
> locale settings.  (For many, perhaps most, other English variants -
> like Indian English locale, would be even better.)
> 
> 
> 
> 

That sounds about right except for keyboard layout.
For majority of non-native English user (not necessarily speakers, many
computer users can't speak English, even more can't understand English
spoken by natives, but they read and write English not too badly) US
layout would be more practical than UK layout.


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#123391

FromDavid Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Date2026-02-02 13:14 +0100
Message-ID<10lq4f8$jpvv$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#123390
On 02/02/2026 11:49, Michael S wrote:
> On Mon, 2 Feb 2026 11:27:53 +0100
> David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:
> 
>> On 02/02/2026 01:11, James Kuyper wrote:
>>> On 2026-02-01 17:01, David Brown wrote:
>>> ...
>>>> But when people in other countries want to choose an English
>>>> language environment (because English has a lot of influence on
>>>> the world - for good reasons and bad reasons), why pick an
>>>> environment that has more incompatibilities and baggage than
>>>> necessary? I expect it is mostly a matter of sticking to default
>>>> choices unless you know you need something different, and simply
>>>> not thinking about the alternatives.
>>>
>>> The US has three times as many native speakers of English than the
>>> entire rest of the world combined, including the entire British
>>> Commonwealth.
>>
>> There are about 400 million native English speakers around the world,
>> of which about 230 are in the USA.  Of course any such numbers will
>> be estimates, with surveys being from different years, but it
>> certainly looks like you overestimate the numerical ratios.
>>
>> Still, the native speaker numbers are not the relevant numbers here -
>> it is primarily the second language users that matter.  That is, of
>> course, even more difficult to judge well - there is no consensus on
>> how well a second language must be understood to count as an English
>> speaker.  Best guesses, as far as I can see, are about 1.1 billion.
>>
>>> When someone from a non-English speaking country sets up
>>> an English compatible environment, there's a pretty good chance he's
>>> doing so to communicate with people in the US, rather than other
>>> parts of English-speaking world.
>>>    
>>
>> No, by far the most likely reason for a non-native English speaker to
>> speak English is to communicate with another non-native English
>> speaker. English is the lingua franca of the world.
>>
>> But my point was more about the factors /other/ than the language.
>> The whole world, other than the USA, uses metric for everything
>> technical. The whole world, other than the USA, Canada and Mexico
>> uses A4 and related paper sizes.  The whole world, other than the
>> USA, uses either little-endian or big-endian dates.
>>
>> Thus for perhaps 80% of people in the world using a computer and
>> communicating in English, UK locale settings are a better fit than US
>> locale settings.  (For many, perhaps most, other English variants -
>> like Indian English locale, would be even better.)
>>
>>
>>
>>
> 
> That sounds about right except for keyboard layout.
> For majority of non-native English user (not necessarily speakers, many
> computer users can't speak English, even more can't understand English
> spoken by natives, but they read and write English not too badly) US
> layout would be more practical than UK layout.
> 

If that is the case, then that is a good reason for choosing US layout. 
But AFAIK the differences between the US and the UK layouts are very 
small.  And a large proportion of computer users use Latin keyboards, 
even if their native languages use significantly different writing 
systems.  So keyboard layout is often partially independent of other 
language and locale choices.  For example, I use a Norwegian layout 
keyboard, but have my locale set to UK (with the region set to Norway). 
Changing to the UK keyboard layout would be silly - it would mean some 
symbols are in a different place, and I could not type the Norwegian 
letters I need when writing in Norwegian.  Changing to US layout would 
be a step sillier, and there would be no advantages.

If you are used to a keyboard with a different writing system - say, 
Greek - then you might find it convenient to change to a Latin based 
layout for writing in English.  But I see no reason why you might have a 
preference for US layout over UK - either would be fine.

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#123394

FromJanis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com>
Date2026-02-02 16:07 +0100
Message-ID<10lqek5$5he9$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#123391
On 2026-02-02 13:14, David Brown wrote:
> 
> If that is the case, then that is a good reason for choosing US layout. 
> But AFAIK the differences between the US and the UK layouts are very 
> small.  And a large proportion of computer users use Latin keyboards, 
> even if their native languages use significantly different writing 
> systems.  So keyboard layout is often partially independent of other 
> language and locale choices. 

Yes.

> For example, I use a Norwegian layout 
> keyboard, but have my locale set to UK (with the region set to Norway). 

It seems to be similar to, e.g., a German keyboard...

> Changing to the UK keyboard layout would be silly - it would mean some 
> symbols are in a different place, and I could not type the Norwegian 
> letters I need when writing in Norwegian. 

...where the German specific letters are in the same place as the
Norwegian specific letters. Exceptions are the location/ordering
of quite some of the punctuation characters. (And of course the
infamous QWERTZ vs. QWERTY cultural detail.)

> Changing to US layout would 
> be a step sillier, and there would be no advantages.

Well, an advantage - and here we're getting on-topic again - is
writing programs in C-like languages; the access to the braces and
brackets is a pain (IMO) with those "Latin based" layouts.

That's why I'm running two keyboards in parallel on my system, one
with DE and one with US layout. - But in practice I rarely use the
US keyboard - despite its advantage for C-like programming - because
of the mentioned differences of many important control characters
(and the Y/Z placement); my muscle memory would make too many typing
mistakes.

> 
> If you are used to a keyboard with a different writing system - say, 
> Greek - then you might find it convenient to change to a Latin based 
> layout for writing in English. 

Actually many Greek letters are "naturally" transcribed to Latin
(Alpha, Sigma, Delta, Phi, Gamma, etc. to A, S, D, F, G, etc.), so
it's not much hassle to use one or the other keyboard type. (But
some letters, Latin or Greek, don't exist in the other language and
will be mapped to use their respective places on the other type of
keyboard.)

> But I see no reason why you might have a 
> preference for US layout over UK - either would be fine.

The locale issues are of course another thing. I'm using a mixture
of 3 or 4 locales in my system defaults; for example: LC_NUMERIC=C
(for the numeric dot), en_DK (for the time format), en_US (basically),
de_DE (for the writing). - This mixed setting somehow feels wrong to
me. Since what I want to set and use is in principle neither language
specific nor country specific (although cultures associated with
language and countries use specific conventions reflected in their
locale setting). I'd probably want something like "iso_UN" (not really
but that may come close); using ISO dates and time, DIN paper sizes,
SI units, and my language specific collate setting (which varies when
I'm writing in more than one language).

Janis

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#123392

FromJames Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu>
Date2026-02-02 09:36 -0500
Message-ID<10lqcpl$3uprv$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#123389
On 2026-02-02 05:27, David Brown wrote:
> On 02/02/2026 01:11, James Kuyper wrote:
...
>> The US has three times as many native speakers of English than the
>> entire rest of the world combined, including the entire British
>> Commonwealth. 
> 
> There are about 400 million native English speakers around the world, of 
> which about 230 are in the USA.  Of course any such numbers will be 
> estimates, with surveys being from different years, but it certainly 
> looks like you overestimate the numerical ratios.

I looked at the Wikipedia article on English (language), which says that
US has 244,079,241 native speakers of English, and that the world has
391,286,346. When I did the calculations last night, that, came out to
75%, but for some reason it's 62% this morning. Perhaps I shouldn't post
that late at night.
It's still more US speakers than non-US speakers.

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#123393

FromDavid Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Date2026-02-02 16:01 +0100
Message-ID<10lqe7m$mpj0$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#123392
On 02/02/2026 15:36, James Kuyper wrote:
> On 2026-02-02 05:27, David Brown wrote:
>> On 02/02/2026 01:11, James Kuyper wrote:
> ...
>>> The US has three times as many native speakers of English than the
>>> entire rest of the world combined, including the entire British
>>> Commonwealth.
>>
>> There are about 400 million native English speakers around the world, of
>> which about 230 are in the USA.  Of course any such numbers will be
>> estimates, with surveys being from different years, but it certainly
>> looks like you overestimate the numerical ratios.
> 
> I looked at the Wikipedia article on English (language), which says that
> US has 244,079,241 native speakers of English, and that the world has
> 391,286,346. When I did the calculations last night, that, came out to
> 75%, but for some reason it's 62% this morning. Perhaps I shouldn't post
> that late at night.

I also got my numbers from Wikipedia.  I think there are a variety of 
numbers, depending on the dates and the source of the numbers.

> It's still more US speakers than non-US speakers.

For native speakers, all the numbers I have seen support that, yes.  But 
native speakers are not the numbers of interest here.  Native English 
speakers will, for the most part, have their locales and settings for 
their locale English variant.

But this is all getting wildly off-topic for these newsgroups, and I 
don't think we are likely to get anything but speculation and anecdotal 
examples.  My speculation is that the reason non-native English users 
might be more likely to pick US locales than anything else is simply 
that it is the default for a lot of software and OS's, and it's usually 
not difficult to change things like paper sizes manually.

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#123395

FromJanis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com>
Date2026-02-02 16:19 +0100
Message-ID<10lqfa8$5he9$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#123393
On 2026-02-02 16:01, David Brown wrote:
> On 02/02/2026 15:36, James Kuyper wrote:
>>
>> I looked at the Wikipedia article on English (language), [...]
> 
> I also got my numbers from Wikipedia.  I think there are a variety of 
> numbers, depending on the dates and the source of the numbers.

In the past I occasionally inquired the CIA's "The World Factbook"
for actual numbers and other cultural, demographic, etc. details;
the data I retrieved from there appeared reliable and accurate (as
far as I could tell). - Just mentioning another public data source.

Janis

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#123344

FromThomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de>
Date2026-01-26 22:47 +0000
Message-ID<10l8qu5$2sse8$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#123335
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> schrieb:

> I started writing Fortran code in 1975 for one of my dad's programmers 
> when I was 14.  Dad was always selling the future capabilities of the 
> software, more than the software did or was even designed to do.

Sounds an awful lot like Bill Gates, but he even sold software
that had not even been written.  There is a story where he wrote a
Fortran compiler, which failed tests and was therefore not accepted,
and he refused to fix the bugs.

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