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Collatz Conjectur proved. wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2025-12-24 20:03 +0800
Re: Collatz Conjectur proved. wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2026-01-25 00:46 +0800
Re: Collatz Conjectur proved. wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2026-02-06 14:19 +0800
Re: Collatz Conjectur proved. red floyd <no.spam.here@its.invalid> - 2026-02-06 15:29 -0800
Re: Collatz Conjectur proved. Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2026-02-06 14:22 +0100
| From | wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-24 20:03 +0800 |
| Subject | Collatz Conjectur proved. |
| Message-ID | <3b5d9721117f3d0844e677fece39dab172de927d.camel@gmail.com> |
goolge translate is terrible recently, its output is different everytime!
I am not sure the idea will be conveyed properly, esp. for those not familiar
with the Collatz Conjecture. If not, its my failure.
While looking back, the proof of Collatz Conjecture is unbelievably simple.
I think it is because: According to the Church–Turing conjecture (and my own
conjecture): No formal language has greater expressive power than procedural
language, particular C/C++ (just imagine that if this proof was made in
traditional formalism).
But the development of C is, IMO, 'average'. C++ 'may be' still superstitous
in their 'expressive' and 'useful'....
This file is intended a proof of Collatz Conjecture. The contents may be
updated anytime.
https://sourceforge.net/projects/cscall/files/MisFiles/Coll-proof-en.txt/download
The text is converted by google translate with modest modification from
https://sourceforge.net/projects/cscall/files/MisFiles/Coll-proof-zh.txt/download
Reader might want to try different translator or different settings.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Collatz function ::=
int cop(int n) {
if(n<=1) {
return 1; // 1 is the iteration endpoint
}
if(n%2) {
return 3*n+1; // Odd number rule
} else {
return n/2; // Even number rule
}
}
Collatz number(n): If an integer n, n>=1, the cop iteration operation will
eventually calculate to 1 (i.e., cop(...cop(n))=1), then n is a Collatz
number.
Collatz Conjecture: For all integer n, n>=1, n is a Collatz number.
The cop operation can be managed to an ibp function is a combination of
(3n+1)/2 and n/2 operations. Each ibp operation is processed according to
the least significant bit (LSB) of n. 0 corresponds to the n/2 operation
and 1 corresponds to the two cop operations (3n+1)/2.
int ibp(int n) {
if(n<=1) {
return n; // 1 does not iterate
}
if(n%2) {
n= (3*n+1)/2; // Odd and even cop operations are considered as one
// ibp iteration
} else {
n/=2;
}
return n;
};
Let the bit sequence of n be abc. The ibp iteration result can be roughly
shown in the following figure ((3x+1)/2= x+⌊x/2⌋+1):
abc
1+ abc // x3+1 operation
1+ abc // If there is an even operation (i.e. n/2), delete a line
1+ abc
ABCXX // The state after ibp iteration: A,B,C represent the sum of
// bits related to a,b,c and carry. X represents carrys not
// directly related to a,b,c.
Let n=JK, J,K represent two consecutive base-2 numbers. Let |K|
represent the number of bits of the binary number of K, then after n goes
through |K| times of ibp operation process, the remaining J will be changed
to J' due to odd/even operations and carrys. However, the maximum value of
J' is approximately J*(3/2)^|K|. The maximum length of J' is approximately
log(J*(3/2)^|K|)= log(J)+ 0.4*|K|.
Prop: For any integer n, n>1, the iteration of the cop function of n will always
result in a number equal to 1.
Proof: Assume that all numbers with the bit length less than or equal to |n|
are Collatz numbers. Let the binary representation of n be 1ddd. 2n, 2n+1
be 1ddd# (# represents 0 or 1). Let the binary form of K be ddd#, J=1
(the most significant bit).
Assum J becomes J' after |K| ibp operations, |J'|= |J|+ 0.4*|K| =
1+ 0.4*|K|.
By assumption, if |J'|≤ |K|, then J' will be a Collatz number because
when |K|>=2, J' is also a Collatz number.
1+0.4*|K|≤ |K|
<=> 1 <= |K|- 0.4*|K|
<=> 1 <= 0.6*|K|
<=> 1/0.6 ≤ |K|
Thus, the cop iteration for integers 2n and 2n+1 will calculate to 1.
That is, all integers greater than 4 are Collatz numbers (since 1, 2,
and 3 are known to be Collatz numbers).
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| From | wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-01-25 00:46 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <2da40a548df52ded15ff2cbafa2f2b01d9f15a1a.camel@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #123179 |
On Wed, 2025-12-24 at 20:03 +0800, wij wrote:
I have just finished the script. Any defect,insufficiency, or typo?
------------------
This file is intended a proof of Collatz Conjecture. The contents may be
updated anytime.
https://sourceforge.net/projects/cscall/files/MisFiles/Coll-proof-en.txt/download
The text is converted by google translate with modest modification from
https://sourceforge.net/projects/cscall/files/MisFiles/Coll-proof-zh.txt/download
Reader might want to try different translator or different settings.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Collatz function ::=
int cop(int n) {
if(n<=1) {
if(n<1) {
throw Error;
}
return 1; // 1 is the iteration endpoint
}
if(n%2) {
return 3*n+1; // Odd number rule
} else {
return n/2; // Even number rule
}
}
Collatz number: If an integer n, n∈N<1,+1>, after the cop iteration will
eventually calculate to 1 (i.e., cop(...cop(n))=1), then n is a Collatz
number. Otherwise n is not a Collatz number.
Collatz Problem: For each integer n, n∈N<1,+1>, is n a Collatz number? IOW,
the question is equivalent to asking whether the following procedure rcop
terminates or not.
void rcop(int n) {
for(;n!=1;) {
n=cop(n);
}
}
Prop: cop(n) iteration contains no cycle (except for the '1-4-2-1' cycle, since
1 is the termination condition).
Proof: n can be decomposed into n= a+b. rcop(n) can be rewritten as rcop2(n):
void rcop2(int n) {
int a=n,b=0;
for(;a+b!=1;) { // a+b= n in the cop iterative process.
if((a%2)!=0) {
--a; ++b; // Adjust a and b so that a remains even and the
// following algorithm can be performed and remains
// equivalent to cop(n) iteration.
}
if((b%2)!=0) { // Equivalent to (a+b)%2 (because a is even).
a= 3*a;
b= 3*b+1; // 3*(a+b)+1= (3*a) +(3*b+1)
} else {
a= a/2;
b= b/2;
}
}
}
Let nᵢ, aᵢ, bᵢ represent the values n,a, and b in the iteration.
Assume that the cop(n) iteration is cyclic. The cycle is a fixed-length
sequence, and the process must contain the operations 3x+1 and x/2 (and
the associated operations --a and ++b, unless n is a 2^x number, but such
numbers do not cycle). Let the cyclic sequence of n be:
n₁, n₂, n₃, ..., nₓ (n=n₁).
Because --a and ++b are continuously interpolated during the cycle, if
aᵢ≠0, then bᵢ and nᵢ=aᵢ+bᵢ will increase infinitely, contradicting the
assumption that nᵢ is cyclic. Therefore, aᵢ=0 must hold during the cycle,
but the condition of aᵢ=0 only exists in 1-4-2-1, aᵢ=0 cannot cause the
non-1-4-2-1 cycle of n₁,n₂,n₃,...,nₓ.
Therefore, we can conclude that cop(n) iterations are non-cyclic.
Prop: For any n∈N<1,+1>, the cop iteration operation terminates.
Proof: Since an odd number n will always become even immediately after the
cop iteration, it must undergo n/2 iterations. Therefore, we have an
equivalent rcop3:
void rcop3(int n) {
int a=n,b=0;
for(; a+b!=1;) {
if((a%2)!=0) {
--a; ++b;
}
// a/b measure point A
if((b%2)!=0) {
a= 3*a;
b= 3*b+1;
}
a= a/2;
b= b/2;
}
}
Let n be odd and there be no `--a`, `++b` process. Assume that each odd
operation is paired with only one even operation (the actual ratio is 1.5
even operations, but 1.5 is a statistical value; the decisive inference
can only take the guaranteed value of 1). Then, at measurement point A,
we have:
a₁ = n-1
aₓ = (3*aₓ₋₁)/2 = ... = (n-1)*(3/2)ˣ⁻¹
b₁ = 1
bₓ = (3*bₓ₋₁+1)/2 = ... = 2*(3/2)ˣ⁻¹ -1
aₓ/bₓ = (aₓ₋₁)/(bₓ₋₁) = ((n-1)*(3/2)ˣ⁻¹)/(2*(3/2)ˣ⁻¹ -1)
= ... = (n-1)/(2-1/(3/2)ˣ⁻¹)
Interim summary: aₓ/bₓ < aₓ₋₁/bₓ₋₁ and lim{x->∞} aₓ/bₓ = (n-1)/2.
(After eight iterations, aₓ/bₓ is approximately 0.51. Actual iterations
may also include --a and ++b operations, so the actual value of aₓ/bₓ
will converge faster than the formula)
Let r = a/b, then n/b = (a+b)/b = a/b+1 = r+1
=> b = (a+b)/(r+1)
Assuming the cop(n) iteration does not terminate, and m is one of the
number in the iteration sequence. Therefore, we can derive the
following:
=> b = m/(r+1)
=> The limit of r+1 = (m-1)/2 + 1 = (m+1)/2
=> b = (2*m)/(m+1) = 2/(1+1/m)
=> b = 2 (the limit of b. At least it is known that m will be a large
number)
Since there is a limit (the numerical value is not important), the
iteration involves an infinite number of iterations of --a, a will
inevitably become zero, so the iteration cannot fail to meet the
iteration termination contion.
If n is even, then repeating the even operation (a finite number of times)
cop(n) will yield an odd number without affecting the termination result
as stated above. Therefore, the proposition is proved.
[Reference] Real number and infinity. Recurring decimals are irrational numbers.
https://sourceforge.net/projects/cscall/files/MisFiles/RealNumber2-en.txt/download
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| From | wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-02-06 14:19 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <538ff6c3c12ecd8cfefa45eb92f8da26a62bb1a7.camel@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #123326 |
The proof is revised (bug fixed), even shorter (109 lines)!
----------
This file is intended a proof of Collatz Conjecture. The contents may be
updated anytime.
https://sourceforge.net/projects/cscall/files/MisFiles/Coll-proof-en.txt/download
The text is converted by google translate with modest modification from
https://sourceforge.net/projects/cscall/files/MisFiles/Coll-proof-zh.txt/download
Reader might want to try different translator or different settings.
+---------+
| Preface |
+---------+
3x+1 problem: For any integer n greater than or equal to 1, if n is odd,
multiply by 3 and add 1. If n is even, divide by 2.
The question is, will all numbers be calculated to 1 using this method? The
following proof states that the answer is yes, they will always be calculated
to 1. Proving this problem using Peano's axioms like axiomatic system is
difficult (or would be very lengthy), so an algorithm (Turing machine model)
is used for proof.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Collatz function ::=
int cop(int n) {
if(n<=1) {
if(n<1) {
throw Error;
}
return 1; // 1 is the iteration endpoint
}
if(n%2) {
return 3*n+1; // Odd number rule
} else {
return n/2; // Even number rule
}
}
Collatz number: If an integer n, n∈N<1,+1>, after the cop iteration will
eventually calculate to 1 (i.e., cop(...cop(n))=1), then n is a Collatz
number. Otherwise n is not a Collatz number.
Collatz Problem: For each integer n, n∈N<1,+1>, is n a Collatz number? IOW,
the question is equivalent to asking whether the following procedure rcop
terminates or not.
void rcop(int n) {
for(;n!=1;) {
n=cop(n);
}
}
Prop: For any n∈N<1,+1>, the cop iteration operation terminates.
Proof: Let procedure rcop2 decomposes the n in rcop into n= a+b form.
void rcop2(int n) {
int a=n, b=0;
for(;a+b!=1;) { // a+b measure point A (a+b is equivalent to n in the
// cop iteration process)
if((a%2) != 0) {
--a; ++b; // a,b are adjusted so that a remains even, so that the
// following algorithm can be performed and remains
// equivalent to the cop(n) iteration.
}
// a/b measures point B
if((b%2)!=0) { // Equivalent to (a+b)%2 (because a is even)
a= 3*a;
b= 3*b+1; // 3*(a+b)+1 =(3*a) +(3*b+1)
}
a= a/2; // (a+b)/2 will be executed in each iteration
b= b/2;
}
}
Let n be odd and there be no --a, ++b process. Assume that each odd
operation is paired with an even operation. Then, at measurement point B,
we have:
a₁= n-1
aₓ= (3*aₓ₋₁)/2 =... = (n-1)*(3/2)ˣ⁻¹
b₁= 1
bₓ= (3*bₓ₋₁+1)/2=... = 2*(3/2)ˣ⁻¹ -1
aₓ/bₓ= (aₓ₋₁)/(bₓ₋₁) = ((n-1)*(3/2)ˣ⁻¹)/(2*(3/2)ˣ⁻¹ -1)
=... = (n-1)/(2- 1/(3/2)ˣ⁻¹)
Interim summary: aₓ/bₓ < aₓ₋₁/bₓ₋₁, and lim{x->∞} aₓ/bₓ = (n-1)/2.
Because "approximately half the limit value (n-1)/2" (not including the
actual iterations which involve --a and ++b operations making aₓ smaller
and bₓ larger) is recursively true, we can deduce that:
(1) The actual value of aₓ/bₓ will decrease to the final value 0, and
a=0, eventually.
(2) The number of times bₓ is odd is less than the number of times bₓ is
even (there are two, or more, consecutive even operations).
Let r= a/b, aₓ=0. The value aₓ₋₁, before iterating to 0, is 1 (measurement
point A). At this point, rₓ₋₁ is a small value, relative to the initial
value r₁ (the value of aₓ/bₓ can be considered as decreasing continuously
by (n-1)/2). When n>=5, bₓ₋₁ (=aₓ₋₁*rₓ₋₁ =rₓ₋₁) is guaranteed to be less
than n-1. Therefore, nₓ₋₁= aₓ₋₁+bₓ₋₁ < 1+(n-1) <=> nₓ₋₁<n.
From nₓ₋₁<n, we can prove by mathematical induction that the proposition
"the iterative operation of cop(n) terminates" holds true.
+------------+
| References |
+------------+
[1] Real number contains infinity. Recurring decimals are irrational numbers.
Peano-Axioms system can hardly prove ∞∉ℕ.
https://sourceforge.net/projects/cscall/files/MisFiles/RealNumber2-en.txt/download
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| From | red floyd <no.spam.here@its.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-02-06 15:29 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <10m5th6$kd0a$1@redfloyd.dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #123446 |
On 2/5/2026 10:19 PM, wij wrote: >[redacted] So submit your paper to a peer reviewed publication, and collect your Fields Medal. Stop bothering us here.
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| From | Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-02-06 14:22 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10m4pug$6i89$1@raubtier-asyl.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #123179 |
The proof the mathematicians are looking for isn't a proof for certain
numbers but *one* proof for all numbers. So far no one has found this
proof.
Am 24.12.2025 um 13:03 schrieb wij:
> goolge translate is terrible recently, its output is different everytime!
> I am not sure the idea will be conveyed properly, esp. for those not familiar
> with the Collatz Conjecture. If not, its my failure.
>
> While looking back, the proof of Collatz Conjecture is unbelievably simple.
> I think it is because: According to the Church–Turing conjecture (and my own
> conjecture): No formal language has greater expressive power than procedural
> language, particular C/C++ (just imagine that if this proof was made in
> traditional formalism).
> But the development of C is, IMO, 'average'. C++ 'may be' still superstitous
> in their 'expressive' and 'useful'....
>
>
> This file is intended a proof of Collatz Conjecture. The contents may be
> updated anytime.
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/cscall/files/MisFiles/Coll-proof-en.txt/download
>
> The text is converted by google translate with modest modification from
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/cscall/files/MisFiles/Coll-proof-zh.txt/download
> Reader might want to try different translator or different settings.
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Collatz function ::=
>
> int cop(int n) {
> if(n<=1) {
> return 1; // 1 is the iteration endpoint
> }
> if(n%2) {
> return 3*n+1; // Odd number rule
> } else {
> return n/2; // Even number rule
> }
> }
>
> Collatz number(n): If an integer n, n>=1, the cop iteration operation will
> eventually calculate to 1 (i.e., cop(...cop(n))=1), then n is a Collatz
> number.
>
> Collatz Conjecture: For all integer n, n>=1, n is a Collatz number.
>
> The cop operation can be managed to an ibp function is a combination of
> (3n+1)/2 and n/2 operations. Each ibp operation is processed according to
> the least significant bit (LSB) of n. 0 corresponds to the n/2 operation
> and 1 corresponds to the two cop operations (3n+1)/2.
>
> int ibp(int n) {
> if(n<=1) {
> return n; // 1 does not iterate
> }
> if(n%2) {
> n= (3*n+1)/2; // Odd and even cop operations are considered as one
> // ibp iteration
> } else {
> n/=2;
> }
> return n;
> };
>
> Let the bit sequence of n be abc. The ibp iteration result can be roughly
> shown in the following figure ((3x+1)/2= x+⌊x/2⌋+1):
>
> abc
> 1+ abc // x3+1 operation
> 1+ abc // If there is an even operation (i.e. n/2), delete a line
> 1+ abc
> ABCXX // The state after ibp iteration: A,B,C represent the sum of
> // bits related to a,b,c and carry. X represents carrys not
> // directly related to a,b,c.
>
> Let n=JK, J,K represent two consecutive base-2 numbers. Let |K|
> represent the number of bits of the binary number of K, then after n goes
> through |K| times of ibp operation process, the remaining J will be changed
> to J' due to odd/even operations and carrys. However, the maximum value of
> J' is approximately J*(3/2)^|K|. The maximum length of J' is approximately
> log(J*(3/2)^|K|)= log(J)+ 0.4*|K|.
>
> Prop: For any integer n, n>1, the iteration of the cop function of n will always
> result in a number equal to 1.
>
> Proof: Assume that all numbers with the bit length less than or equal to |n|
> are Collatz numbers. Let the binary representation of n be 1ddd. 2n, 2n+1
> be 1ddd# (# represents 0 or 1). Let the binary form of K be ddd#, J=1
> (the most significant bit).
>
> Assum J becomes J' after |K| ibp operations, |J'|= |J|+ 0.4*|K| =
> 1+ 0.4*|K|.
> By assumption, if |J'|≤ |K|, then J' will be a Collatz number because
> when |K|>=2, J' is also a Collatz number.
>
> 1+0.4*|K|≤ |K|
> <=> 1 <= |K|- 0.4*|K|
> <=> 1 <= 0.6*|K|
> <=> 1/0.6 ≤ |K|
>
> Thus, the cop iteration for integers 2n and 2n+1 will calculate to 1.
> That is, all integers greater than 4 are Collatz numbers (since 1, 2,
> and 3 are known to be Collatz numbers).
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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