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MIT Professor Michael Sipser validates the notion of a simulating halt decider V2

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  MIT Professor Michael Sipser validates the notion of a simulating halt decider V2 olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-10-16 10:16 -0500
    Re: MIT Professor Michael Sipser validates the notion of a simulating halt decider V2 Mr Flibble <flibble@reddwarf.jmc.corp> - 2022-10-16 16:37 +0100
      Re: MIT Professor Michael Sipser validates the notion of a simulating halt decider V2 olcott <none-ya@beez-waxes.com> - 2022-10-16 10:44 -0500

#87015 — MIT Professor Michael Sipser validates the notion of a simulating halt decider V2

Fromolcott <polcott2@gmail.com>
Date2022-10-16 10:16 -0500
SubjectMIT Professor Michael Sipser validates the notion of a simulating halt decider V2
Message-ID<tih792$35k10$3@dont-email.me>
<Sipser approved abstract>
MIT Professor Michael Sipser has agreed that the following verbatim 
paragraph is correct (he has not agreed to anything else in this paper):

If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its input D until H 
correctly determines that its simulated D would never stop running 
unless aborted then H can abort its simulation of D and correctly report 
that D specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations.
</Sipser approved abstract>

to this paper:

*Rebutting the Sipser Halting Problem Proof*
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/364302709_Rebutting_the_Sipser_Halting_Problem_Proof

The proof that the simulation of D by H is correct and that this 
correctly simulated D would never stop running unless aborted is on page 
3 of the above paper. People that fail to comprehend the technical 
details of page 3 are unqualified to assess the correctness of page 3.

The technical prerequisites for page 3 are expert knowledge of the C 
programming language, knowledge of x86 assembly language and how the C 
calling conventions are implemented in x86 assembly language.

Page 4 shows the application of a simulating halt decider to the Peter 
Linz proof proving that the "impossible" input ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ to the embedded 
copy of Linz H contained within Linz Ĥ is correctly construed as 
specifying non-halting sequence of configurations.

-- 
Copyright 2022 Pete Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit;
Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

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#87017

FromMr Flibble <flibble@reddwarf.jmc.corp>
Date2022-10-16 16:37 +0100
Message-ID<20221016163736.00007b9f@reddwarf.jmc.corp>
In reply to#87015
On Sun, 16 Oct 2022 10:16:48 -0500
olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> wrote:

> <Sipser approved abstract>
> MIT Professor Michael Sipser has agreed that the following verbatim 
> paragraph is correct (he has not agreed to anything else in this
> paper):
> 
> If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its input D until H 
> correctly determines that its simulated D would never stop running 
> unless aborted then H can abort its simulation of D and correctly
> report that D specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations.
> </Sipser approved abstract>
> 
> to this paper:
> 
> *Rebutting the Sipser Halting Problem Proof*
> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/364302709_Rebutting_the_Sipser_Halting_Problem_Proof
> 
> The proof that the simulation of D by H is correct and that this 
> correctly simulated D would never stop running unless aborted is on
> page 3 of the above paper. People that fail to comprehend the
> technical details of page 3 are unqualified to assess the correctness
> of page 3.
> 
> The technical prerequisites for page 3 are expert knowledge of the C 
> programming language, knowledge of x86 assembly language and how the
> C calling conventions are implemented in x86 assembly language.
> 
> Page 4 shows the application of a simulating halt decider to the
> Peter Linz proof proving that the "impossible" input ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ to the
> embedded copy of Linz H contained within Linz Ĥ is correctly
> construed as specifying non-halting sequence of configurations.

You have been told multiple times now that you are not doing a correct
simulation of D so it doesn't matter what Sipser says.

The correct simulation of D by H is D behaving as if there was a
direction execution of D(D).

/Flibble 

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#87018

Fromolcott <none-ya@beez-waxes.com>
Date2022-10-16 10:44 -0500
Message-ID<tih8t9$1hp2$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#87017
On 10/16/2022 10:37 AM, Mr Flibble wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Oct 2022 10:16:48 -0500
> olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> <Sipser approved abstract>
>> MIT Professor Michael Sipser has agreed that the following verbatim
>> paragraph is correct (he has not agreed to anything else in this
>> paper):
>>
>> If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its input D until H
>> correctly determines that its simulated D would never stop running
>> unless aborted then H can abort its simulation of D and correctly
>> report that D specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations.
>> </Sipser approved abstract>
>>
>> to this paper:
>>
>> *Rebutting the Sipser Halting Problem Proof*
>> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/364302709_Rebutting_the_Sipser_Halting_Problem_Proof
>>
>> The proof that the simulation of D by H is correct and that this
>> correctly simulated D would never stop running unless aborted is on
>> page 3 of the above paper. People that fail to comprehend the
>> technical details of page 3 are unqualified to assess the correctness
>> of page 3.
>>
>> The technical prerequisites for page 3 are expert knowledge of the C
>> programming language, knowledge of x86 assembly language and how the
>> C calling conventions are implemented in x86 assembly language.
>>
>> Page 4 shows the application of a simulating halt decider to the
>> Peter Linz proof proving that the "impossible" input ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ to the
>> embedded copy of Linz H contained within Linz Ĥ is correctly
>> construed as specifying non-halting sequence of configurations.
> 
> You have been told multiple times now that you are not doing a correct
> simulation of D 

By people not having the technical competence (see above technical 
prerequisites) to verify that this simulation is correct.

-- 
Copyright 2022 Pete Olcott

"Talent hits a target no one else can hit;
  Genius hits a target no one else can see."
  Arthur Schopenhauer

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