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“The end of software secrecy is almost upon us"

Started byLynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com>
First post2026-10-13 23:18 -0500
Last post2026-11-02 10:30 +0100
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  “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-10-13 23:18 -0500
    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-14 18:30 +0800
      Transpiling from Pascal to Rust (was: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us") ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-10-14 11:35 +0000
      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" "De ongekruisigde ds." <ongekruisigde-ds@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-14 11:37 +0000
        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-14 19:59 +0800
          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-14 07:35 -0700
            Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-14 11:57 -0400
          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-10-14 13:07 -0400
            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Gary Scott <garylscott@sbcglobal.net> - 2026-10-14 14:04 -0500
              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-14 19:34 +0000
                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-15 05:55 +0800
                  Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2026-10-14 22:11 +0000
              Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-14 20:42 -0400
                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-10-14 21:43 -0500
                  Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-15 11:22 -0400
                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Gary Scott <garylscott@sbcglobal.net> - 2026-10-15 10:40 -0500
                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-18 09:20 +0000
                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-18 10:34 -0400
                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-19 06:57 +0000
                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-19 15:44 -0400
                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-19 20:09 +0000
                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-10-19 16:10 -0500
                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-19 18:08 -0400
                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-10-19 17:10 -0500
                              Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-19 18:57 -0400
                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-20 05:28 +0000
                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> - 2026-10-20 18:46 +1300
                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 13:20 -0400
                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-21 01:27 +0800
                                      Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@battlestar.co.uk - 2026-10-20 18:14 +0000
                                        Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-20 14:22 -0400
                                          Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@battlestar.co.uk - 2026-10-20 18:29 +0000
                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 15:06 -0500
                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-20 20:20 +0000
                                              Re: The end of software secrecy is almost upon Rosario19 <Ros@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-02 10:54 +0100
                                                Re: The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2026-11-02 11:11 +0100
                                                  Re: The end of software secrecy is almost upon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-02 16:51 +0000
                                                    Re: The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-02 20:06 +0000
                                                    Re: The end of software secrecy is almost upon Rosario19 <Ros@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-07 13:35 +0100
                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 19:32 -0400
                                              Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-10-21 03:31 +0000
                                                Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2026-10-21 04:31 +0000
                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Radey Shouman <shouman@comcast.net> - 2026-10-21 10:41 -0400
                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-21 14:53 +0000
                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2026-10-21 15:57 +0000
                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2026-10-21 16:02 +0000
                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-22 00:37 +0000
                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-22 11:05 +0800
                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-21 20:07 -0700
                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-22 14:22 +0800
                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2026-10-22 04:22 +0000
                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-21 07:37 -0700
                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-21 12:17 -0700
                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-22 00:36 +0000
                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-22 09:21 +0800
                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 16:40 -0400
                                            Re: The end of software secrecy is almost upon Rosario19 <Ros@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-02 10:58 +0100
                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-20 19:04 +0000
                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-20 19:54 +0000
                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-20 20:00 +0000
                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-20 23:18 +0000
                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-21 01:27 +0000
                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-21 03:22 +0000
                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-21 05:35 +0000
                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-21 20:09 +0800
                                              Re: The end of software secrecy is almost upon Rosario19 <Ros@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-06 12:43 +0100
                                                Re: The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-11-06 16:38 +0000
                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Steven G. Kargl" <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> - 2026-10-20 23:20 +0000
                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 16:49 -0400
                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-21 01:15 +0100
                                        Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-20 20:49 +0000
                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 14:36 -0400
                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> - 2026-10-21 16:11 +1300
                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-21 05:37 +0000
                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 00:48 -0500
                                  Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-20 09:39 -0400
                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-20 21:51 +0800
                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-20 15:50 +0000
                                      Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-20 16:41 -0400
                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 16:48 -0700
                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 14:48 -0400
                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-20 17:15 +0000
                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@battlestar.co.uk - 2026-10-20 17:24 +0000
                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-20 20:50 +0200
                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 19:06 -0700
                                        Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@battlestar.co.uk - 2026-10-21 07:47 +0000
                                          Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-21 11:06 -0400
                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-21 23:10 +0800
                                              Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-21 12:29 -0400
                                            Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@battlestar.co.uk - 2026-10-21 17:50 +0000
                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-21 14:12 -0700
                                                Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@battlestar.co.uk - 2026-10-22 14:51 +0000
                                                  Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-22 12:19 -0400
                                                    Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-23 08:01 +0000
                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-23 16:15 +0800
                                                        Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-23 08:16 +0000
                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-23 09:06 -0700
                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-23 16:37 +0000
                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 10:32 -0700
                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-23 14:09 -0400
                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 12:02 -0700
                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-23 20:36 +0000
                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-23 20:28 +0000
                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-24 13:47 -0400
                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-24 21:38 +0000
                                                                  Re: �The end of software secrecy is almost upon Jerry Brown <jerry@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> - 2026-10-25 08:11 +0000
                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-25 09:30 +0000
                                                                      Re: The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-25 08:37 -0700
                                                                        Re: The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-25 08:42 -0700
                                                                      Re: ?The end of software secrecy is almost upon Jerry Brown <jerry@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> - 2026-10-26 07:59 +0000
                                                                        Re: ?The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-26 10:33 +0000
                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 19:30 +0000
                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-23 20:28 +0000
                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 22:50 +0000
                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-24 08:18 +0000
                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 14:49 -0500
                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 19:59 +0000
                                                          Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-24 08:20 +0000
                                                            Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-24 13:53 -0400
                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Blaine <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-24 12:07 -0600
                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Ian <${send-direct-email-to-news1021-at-jusme-dot-com-if-you-must}@jusme.com> - 2026-10-25 08:22 +0000
                                                              Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-25 08:32 +0000
                                                                Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-25 08:10 -0400
                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 13:58 -0400
                                                                    Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-25 19:06 -0400
                                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 17:07 -0700
                                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 22:54 -0400
                                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-26 03:47 +0000
                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-10-26 08:29 +1100
                                                          Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2026-10-25 20:10 -0400
                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Gary R. Schmidt" <grschmidt@acm.org> - 2026-10-25 01:03 +1100
                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 17:08 -0500
                                                      Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-23 14:01 -0400
                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 13:02 -0700
                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 22:57 +0000
                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-23 23:31 +0000
                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-23 17:04 -0700
                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-24 03:44 +0000
                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-24 13:04 -0700
                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-24 21:38 +0000
                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 19:43 -0700
                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-22 19:05 +0000
                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-22 22:48 +0300
                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-23 08:05 +0000
                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-23 11:42 +0300
                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-23 09:18 +0000
                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 12:57 -0400
                                                            Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-23 18:24 +0000
                                                            Whilst All The Computer Experts are Visiting r.a.sf.w. Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> - 2026-10-24 16:12 +1300
                                                              Re: Whilst All The Computer Experts are Visiting r.a.sf.w. Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-24 15:22 +0800
                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 17:40 -0400
                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-10-23 18:50 -0400
                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 16:56 -0700
                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-10-22 16:27 -0400
                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-10-22 15:36 -0500
                                              Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-21 19:20 -0400
                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-21 17:57 +0200
                                            Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@battlestar.co.uk - 2026-10-21 18:02 +0000
                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-21 20:26 +0200
                                                Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@battlestar.co.uk - 2026-10-21 18:48 +0000
                                                  Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-21 19:01 +0000
                                                    Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@battlestar.co.uk - 2026-10-22 14:50 +0000
                                                      Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-22 16:02 +0000
                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-10-22 16:25 -0400
                                                          Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-22 22:01 +0000
                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-23 11:28 +0200
                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-10-23 10:21 -0400
                                                              Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-23 20:49 +0000
                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-23 00:23 +0100
                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-23 00:41 +0000
                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-23 12:06 +0300
                                                        Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-23 07:58 +0000
                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-23 16:06 +0800
                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-23 11:56 +0300
                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-23 17:15 +0800
                                                      Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-22 16:22 +0000
                                                        Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-23 08:03 +0000
                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 12:58 -0700
                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 14:06 -0700
                                                          Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-23 20:45 +0000
                                                            Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-24 08:21 +0000
                                                              Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-24 14:25 +0000
                                                                Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-24 14:51 +0000
                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-24 22:55 +0800
                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-24 13:07 -0700
                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-24 07:26 -0700
                                                                Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-24 13:57 -0400
                                                                  Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-25 08:34 +0000
                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 14:19 -0700
                                                                      Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-26 10:01 +0000
                                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 13:03 -0700
                                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-26 21:59 +0000
                                                                          Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-28 09:01 +0000
                                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Blaine <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-28 09:47 -0600
                                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-28 14:04 -0700
                                                                              Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-29 16:19 +0000
                                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-29 12:49 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-30 11:21 +0000
                                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-26 22:09 +0200
                                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 20:16 -0700
                                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-28 09:08 +0000
                                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-28 22:05 +0200
                                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-29 16:16 +0000
                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 14:21 -0700
                                                              Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-24 16:41 +0000
                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-24 12:17 -0700
                                                                  Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-24 21:24 +0000
                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-25 01:11 +0300
                                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-25 00:28 +0000
                                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-25 08:42 +0200
                                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-25 13:32 +0000
                                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-25 15:59 +0000
                                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-25 16:15 +0000
                                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-25 16:29 +0000
                                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-25 17:18 +0000
                                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-26 09:54 +0000
                                                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-26 09:50 -0400
                                                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-26 16:58 +0000
                                                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-26 15:32 -0400
                                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 14:31 -0700
                                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-25 08:41 +0000
                                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-25 13:34 +0000
                                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-25 08:41 -0700
                                                                              Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-25 17:06 +0000
                                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> - 2026-10-25 10:19 -0700
                                                                                Re: âThe end of software secrecy is almost upon Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 14:03 -0400
                                                                                  Re: âThe end of software secrecy is almost upon Blaine <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-25 12:21 -0600
                                                                                Re: âThe end of software secrecy is almost upon David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-25 19:26 +0100
                                                                                  Re: âThe end of software secrecy is almost upon Blaine <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-25 12:29 -0600
                                                                                    Re: âThe end of software secrecy is almost upon David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-25 19:59 +0100
                                                                                Re: âThe end of software secrecy is almost upon Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> - 2026-10-26 09:43 +1300
                                                                                  Re: âThe end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-25 19:54 -0700
                                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-25 16:13 +0000
                                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-25 16:17 +0000
                                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-25 16:32 +0000
                                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-25 17:14 +0000
                                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-26 09:51 +0000
                                                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-26 22:04 +0200
                                                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-28 09:06 +0000
                                                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-28 21:47 +0200
                                                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-28 14:09 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-29 16:20 +0000
                                                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-29 23:07 +0200
                                                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-29 22:26 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-30 00:54 +0200
                                                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-30 02:22 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-30 10:59 +0200
                                                                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-30 11:25 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-30 15:23 +0200
                                                                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-30 16:07 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-10-30 20:37 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-30 22:35 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-31 04:14 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-31 05:37 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-31 09:47 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-31 19:56 +0200
                                                                                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-11-01 08:32 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-11-01 21:59 +0200
                                                                                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-11-02 15:43 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-02 16:51 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-11-04 08:48 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-11-04 11:24 +0100
                                                                                                                                    Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-11-04 16:24 +0000
                                                                                                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-11-04 23:53 +0100
                                                                                                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-11-06 15:38 +0200
                                                                                                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-11-06 16:39 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-11-02 23:46 +0200
                                                                                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-02 15:02 -0800
                                                                                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-02 15:03 -0800
                                                                                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-11-03 21:51 +0200
                                                                                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-03 13:10 -0800
                                                                                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-11-04 08:54 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-11-07 01:17 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-11-07 09:41 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-11-07 20:20 +0200
                                                                                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-07 12:19 -0800
                                                                                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-11-08 09:10 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-02 15:00 -0800
                                                                                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-02 14:59 -0800
                                                                                                                            Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-11-04 08:54 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-04 02:22 -0800
                                                                                                                                Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-11-04 16:22 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-04 10:56 -0800
                                                                                                                                    Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-11-04 19:53 +0000
                                                                                                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Gary Scott <garylscott@sbcglobal.net> - 2026-11-04 14:17 -0600
                                                                                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-04 02:24 -0800
                                                                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-01 19:40 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-02 15:06 -0800
                                                                                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-03 02:42 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-02 21:09 -0800
                                                                                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-02 21:11 -0800
                                                                                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-03 07:15 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-06 19:22 -0800
                                                                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-31 09:45 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-31 09:38 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-31 13:11 -0700
                                                                                                                  Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-11-01 08:33 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-01 18:03 -0800
                                                                                                                      Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-11-02 15:44 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-02 14:34 -0800
                                                                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-31 13:14 -0700
                                                                                                                  Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-11-01 08:34 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-01 18:04 -0800
                                                                                                                      Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-11-02 15:45 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-02 14:33 -0800
                                                                              Threads and processes (was: Re: "The end of software secrecy is almost upon) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-25 23:48 +0000
                                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-25 22:56 +0200
                                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 17:22 -0700
                                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-26 09:59 +0000
                                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-26 14:41 +0000
                                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-26 16:16 +0000
                                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-26 21:45 +0200
                                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 13:12 -0700
                                                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-26 22:40 +0200
                                                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 13:44 -0700
                                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-28 08:58 +0000
                                                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-28 14:05 -0700
                                                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-28 14:06 -0700
                                                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-29 00:06 +0200
                                                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-29 16:22 +0000
                                                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-29 22:39 +0200
                                                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-29 15:13 -0700
                                                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-29 22:25 +0000
                                                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-30 02:10 +0000
                                                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-30 11:25 +0000
                                                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-30 11:05 -0700
                                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-11-02 06:17 +0800
                                                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-02 14:54 -0800
                                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 13:05 -0700
                                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-25 10:45 +0100
                                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 20:44 -0700
                                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-27 09:06 +0100
                                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-27 10:22 +0200
                                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-27 10:40 +0000
                                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-27 15:03 +0000
                                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-04 02:34 -0800
                                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-25 15:56 +0000
                                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 19:20 -0700
                                                                    Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-25 08:37 +0000
                                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-25 22:24 +0200
                                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 19:01 -0700
                                                                  Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-25 08:42 +0000
                                                                     Re: what's a process, was The end of software secrecy is almost upon John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-10-25 18:17 +0000
                                                                      Re:  Re: what's a process, was The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-26 09:57 +0000
                                                                        Re: Re: what's a process, was The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-26 03:53 -0700
                                                                          Re: Re: what's a process, was The end of software secrecy is almost upon scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-26 14:44 +0000
                                                                            Re: what's a process, was The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-26 08:56 -0700
                                                                          Re: Re: what's a process, was The end of software secrecy is almost boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-26 16:19 +0000
                                                                            Re: what's a process, was The end of software secrecy is almost Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-26 11:46 -0700
                                                                              Re: what's a process, was The end of software secrecy is almost "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 13:19 -0700
                                                                            Re: what's a process, was The end of software secrecy is almost "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 13:19 -0700
                                                                              Re: what's a process, was The end of software secrecy is almost boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-28 09:09 +0000
                                                                                Re: what's a process, was The end of software secrecy is almost "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-28 14:10 -0700
                                                                          Re: what's a process, was The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2026-10-26 13:36 -1000
                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 19:03 -0700
                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-24 13:12 -0700
                                                                Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-25 08:31 +0000
                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 14:22 -0700
                                                                    Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-26 10:02 +0000
                                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Blaine <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-26 13:10 -0600
                                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> - 2026-10-27 08:43 +1300
                                                                        Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-28 08:57 +0000
                                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Blaine <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-28 08:39 -0600
                                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 13:20 -0700
                                                      Threads and processes (Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-10-26 19:14 -0700
                                                        Re: Threads and processes (Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-27 06:08 +0000
                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-22 09:51 +0800
                                                    Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@battlestar.co.uk - 2026-10-22 14:54 +0000
                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-22 22:44 +0300
                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-10-22 15:41 -0500
                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 03:21 +0000
                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-22 22:31 -0700
                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 06:27 +0000
                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 12:48 -0700
                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 19:56 +0000
                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 13:30 -0700
                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 12:57 -0700
                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-23 11:34 +0200
                                                          Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-23 10:11 +0000
                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-23 09:55 -0700
                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 19:25 +0000
                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-24 12:38 +0200
                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 12:55 -0700
                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 22:46 +0000
                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 16:58 -0700
                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 17:00 -0700
                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-24 03:39 +0000
                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 19:51 -0700
                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-27 05:56 +0000
                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-04 02:36 -0800
                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-23 21:00 +0000
                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-24 05:14 +0800
                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 22:49 +0000
                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-10-25 16:31 +0100
                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-25 20:07 +0000
                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 14:36 -0700
                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-23 16:02 +0800
                                                        Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-23 08:14 +0000
                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-23 16:22 +0800
                                                            Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-23 09:15 +0000
                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-23 18:15 +0800
                                                      Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-23 08:10 +0000
                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-22 09:20 +0200
                                                    Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@battlestar.co.uk - 2026-10-22 14:58 +0000
                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-23 03:52 +0800
                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-04 02:38 -0800
                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-20 12:11 -0700
                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-21 01:29 +0000
                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@battlestar.co.uk - 2026-10-21 07:42 +0000
                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-21 07:55 +0000
                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@battlestar.co.uk - 2026-10-21 08:05 +0000
                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-21 07:41 -0700
                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-22 00:40 +0000
                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-22 00:23 +0000
                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@battlestar.co.uk - 2026-10-22 14:53 +0000
                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-22 19:05 +0000
                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-21 13:27 +0000
                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-22 00:24 +0000
                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-22 09:14 +0800
                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-22 02:00 +0000
                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Steven G. Kargl" <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> - 2026-10-22 02:17 +0000
                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-22 03:35 +0000
                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Steven G. Kargl" <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> - 2026-10-22 04:33 +0000
                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-22 04:50 +0000
                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Steven G. Kargl" <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> - 2026-10-22 04:56 +0000
                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-22 14:34 +0800
                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Steven G. Kargl" <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> - 2026-10-22 07:31 +0000
                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-22 16:40 +0800
                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-10-22 11:18 -0400
                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 03:33 +0000
                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Steven G. Kargl" <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> - 2026-10-23 04:10 +0000
                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-10-22 21:21 -0700
                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-23 05:43 +0000
                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 06:29 +0000
                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 04:22 +0000
                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Steven G. Kargl" <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> - 2026-10-23 05:54 +0000
                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 19:20 +0000
                                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Steven G. Kargl" <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> - 2026-10-23 19:38 +0000
                                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-24 05:19 +0800
                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-22 07:26 -0700
                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 03:19 +0000
                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-22 22:29 -0700
                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 06:25 +0000
                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-23 11:45 +0200
                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-23 09:57 -0700
                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 13:43 -0700
                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 13:50 -0700
                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-24 12:43 +0200
                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 19:29 -0700
                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-23 09:02 -0700
                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 19:19 +0000
                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 13:56 -0700
                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 22:42 +0000
                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 17:01 -0700
                                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-24 03:33 +0000
                                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-24 13:26 -0700
                                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-24 13:27 -0700
                                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-24 22:32 +0000
                                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 19:57 -0700
                                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 20:09 -0700
                                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-24 22:32 +0000
                                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 19:28 -0700
                                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-26 03:43 +0000
                                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 13:23 -0700
                                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-26 21:46 +0000
                                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 14:51 -0700
                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 14:29 -0700
                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 22:43 +0000
                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 17:01 -0700
                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 14:00 -0700
                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 16:16 -0700
                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-26 00:42 +0000
                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 19:11 -0700
                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-26 03:39 +0000
                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 13:26 -0700
                                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-26 21:45 +0000
                                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 14:47 -0700
                                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-10-27 11:00 -0400
                                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-27 09:41 -0700
                                                                            Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-27 18:36 +0000
                                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-04 02:48 -0800
                                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-27 22:22 +0000
                                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-10-27 21:35 -0400
                                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-28 01:43 +0000
                                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-10-27 22:18 -0400
                                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-27 19:28 -0700
                                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-28 14:16 -0700
                                                                                Re: Structured Programming (was Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us”) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-01 23:38 +0000
                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 19:21 -0700
                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-26 03:40 +0000
                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 13:29 -0700
                                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 13:33 -0700
                                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-26 21:45 +0000
                                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 14:53 -0700
                                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-26 22:20 +0000
                                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 15:42 -0700
                                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 16:06 -0700
                                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-26 22:29 +0100
                                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 14:58 -0700
                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 15:46 -0700
                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-22 03:46 +0000
                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-22 04:51 +0000
                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-22 06:39 +0000
                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-10-22 16:54 -0700
                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Steven G. Kargl" <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> - 2026-10-23 01:57 +0000
                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-20 12:10 -0700
                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 15:20 -0500
                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-20 21:20 +0000
                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 16:26 -0500
                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-21 01:35 +0000
                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-21 01:30 +0000
                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-21 20:21 +0800
                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 17:03 -0400
                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Blaine <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-19 16:26 -0600
                              Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-19 19:01 -0400
                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-19 13:09 -0700
      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon  us" WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> - 2026-10-14 08:52 -0400
        Re: âThe end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-15 06:15 +0800
    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-14 14:26 -0700
    Re: The_end_of_software_secrecy_is_almost_upon_us legalize+jeeves@mail.xmission.com (Richard) - 2026-10-15 14:56 +0000
      Re: The_end_of_software_secrecy_is_almost_upon_us Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-10-15 14:07 -0500
        Re: The_end_of_software_secrecy_is_almost_upon_us ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2026-10-15 19:18 +0000
          Re: The_end_of_software_secrecy_is_almost_upon_us Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-10-15 15:02 -0500
    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-15 11:05 -0400
      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-10-15 14:13 -0500
        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Jay Morris <morrisj@epsilon3.me> - 2026-10-15 20:35 -0500
          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-10-24 00:27 -0500
    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" John Smith <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-30 05:04 +0000
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#125094 — Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2026-10-20 23:18 +0000
SubjectRe: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon
Message-ID<oFSBS.93666$Q3f.6740@fx05.iad>
In reply to#125083
On 2026-10-20, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

> On Tue, 20 Oct 2026 19:04:55 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> The undisciplined use of GOTOs is bad, agreed.
>
> Is there such a thing as a *disciplined* use of gotos?

Yes, especially in COBOL or assembly language.  For instance,
a GOTO to the end of a function ensures any of its cleanup code
gets executed, and fulfils a goal of structured proramming:
each function has one exit point.

> I find the C code I write tends to do a lot of dynamic resource
> allocations. These can sometimes fail with errors. So error recovery
> will invariably involve cleaning up those parts of the allocations
> which already succeeded. Gotos are no good for this; you need to exit
> levels of structure nesting one by one, disposing of allocations as
> you go.

I know that a lot of CS types are going to stick pins into little
dolls that look like me for saying this, but IMHO resource pointers,
handles, etc. should be global.  Possible exceptions are resources
that are going to be used solely by the current function - but even
then, if that function calls another function that fails horribly,
there's stuff that might not get cleaned up.  That's why all my
C programs contain a function quit_cleanup(char *errmsg), which
de-allocates all resources and then exits (displaying "errmsg"
if it isn't NULL).  I can call that function anywhere, safe in
the knowledge that by the time it finishes (it never returns),
everything will have be freed.

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  In this world there are
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  two kinds of people:
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  1. Those who can extrapolate
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  from incomplete data.

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#125099 — Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2026-10-21 01:27 +0000
SubjectRe: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon
Message-ID<11b94e3$3hdo3$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#125094
On Tue, 20 Oct 2026 23:18:44 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> On 2026-10-20, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>
>> I find the C code I write tends to do a lot of dynamic resource
>> allocations. These can sometimes fail with errors. So error
>> recovery will invariably involve cleaning up those parts of the
>> allocations which already succeeded. Gotos are no good for this;
>> you need to exit levels of structure nesting one by one, disposing
>> of allocations as you go.
>
> I know that a lot of CS types are going to stick pins into little
> dolls that look like me for saying this, but IMHO resource pointers,
> handles, etc. should be global.

Surely any variable which is only used locally to a particular block
should be declared local to that block. Why should resource pointers
be any different?

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#125105 — Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2026-10-21 03:22 +0000
SubjectRe: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon
Message-ID<EdWBS.93422$TYg.8089@fx21.iad>
In reply to#125099
On 2026-10-21, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

> On Tue, 20 Oct 2026 23:18:44 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> I know that a lot of CS types are going to stick pins into little
>> dolls that look like me for saying this, but IMHO resource pointers,
>> handles, etc. should be global.
>
> Surely any variable which is only used locally to a particular block
> should be declared local to that block. Why should resource pointers
> be any different?

Many resource pointers aren't local, though.  Consider a program
which loads a table from a file, then uses it for lookups while
processing data in another file.  You might decompose the program
into a function that loads the table, and another that performs
lookups.  The main routine calls the table load routine, and opens
the file to be processed.  It then loops reading records, calling
the lookup function each time.  The table, dynamically allocated by
the table load function, must remain allocated when the allocator
exits, and must be available to the lookup function on each call;
it cannot be local to either of those functions.

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  In this world there are
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  two kinds of people:
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  1. Those who can extrapolate
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  from incomplete data.

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#125109 — Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2026-10-21 05:35 +0000
SubjectRe: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon
Message-ID<11b9ivc$3l77q$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#125105
On Wed, 21 Oct 2026 03:22:12 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> On 2026-10-21, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 20 Oct 2026 23:18:44 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>>> I know that a lot of CS types are going to stick pins into little
>>> dolls that look like me for saying this, but IMHO resource
>>> pointers, handles, etc. should be global.
>>
>> Surely any variable which is only used locally to a particular
>> block should be declared local to that block. Why should resource
>> pointers be any different?
>
> Many resource pointers aren't local, though. Consider a program
> which loads a table from a file, then uses it for lookups while
> processing data in another file. You might decompose the program
> into a function that loads the table, and another that performs
> lookups. The main routine calls the table load routine, and opens
> the file to be processed. It then loops reading records, calling the
> lookup function each time. The table, dynamically allocated by the
> table load function, must remain allocated when the allocator exits,
> and must be available to the lookup function on each call; it cannot
> be local to either of those functions.

This is why OO was invented. You instantiate a Table instance, and
that loads the table contents. Call the lookup method on the instance
as many times as you need. Then, when finished with the Table
instance, dispose of it.

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#125115 — Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon

FromJohann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid>
Date2026-10-21 20:09 +0800
SubjectRe: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon
Message-ID<cY1CS.317266$UXC8.242759@fx04.ams4>
In reply to#125094
On 10/21/2026 7:18 AM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2026-10-20, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, 20 Oct 2026 19:04:55 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>>> The undisciplined use of GOTOs is bad, agreed.
>>
>> Is there such a thing as a *disciplined* use of gotos?
> 
> Yes, especially in COBOL or assembly language.  For instance,
> a GOTO to the end of a function ensures any of its cleanup code
> gets executed, and fulfils a goal of structured proramming:
> each function has one exit point.
> 
>> I find the C code I write tends to do a lot of dynamic resource
>> allocations. These can sometimes fail with errors. So error recovery
>> will invariably involve cleaning up those parts of the allocations
>> which already succeeded. Gotos are no good for this; you need to exit
>> levels of structure nesting one by one, disposing of allocations as
>> you go.
> 
> I know that a lot of CS types are going to stick pins into little
> dolls that look like me for saying this, but IMHO resource pointers,
> handles, etc. should be global.  Possible exceptions are resources
> that are going to be used solely by the current function - but even
> then, if that function calls another function that fails horribly,
> there's stuff that might not get cleaned up.  That's why all my
> C programs contain a function quit_cleanup(char *errmsg), which
> de-allocates all resources and then exits (displaying "errmsg"
> if it isn't NULL).  I can call that function anywhere, safe in
> the knowledge that by the time it finishes (it never returns),
> everything will have be freed.
> 

Side note: I chose not to comment on any of the other followups by the
less experienced coders.  I personally have no problem with your app-
roach.

That works for a single process, but once you start making libraries
like Lua that can be loaded and then unloaded the rules change somewhat.

SQLite3 can be used similarly.

Though I doubt many people load either library dynamically, and then un-
load; yet as far as I'm aware, both libraries support such usage.

I added comp.lang.misc because I'm not aware of a Lua discussion group.

Best wishes, and happy resource cleanup!	
-- 
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https://bsky.app/profile/myrkraverk.bsky.social | for ( ;; ) _:;
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#125674 — Re: The end of software secrecy is almost upon

FromRosario19 <Ros@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-11-06 12:43 +0100
SubjectRe: The end of software secrecy is almost upon
Message-ID<kterellanc36d5bku3tov78jmflfnboa42@4ax.com>
In reply to#125094
On Tue, 20 Oct 2026 23:18:44 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>On 2026-10-20, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 20 Oct 2026 19:04:55 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>>> The undisciplined use of GOTOs is bad, agreed.
>>
>> Is there such a thing as a *disciplined* use of gotos?
>
>Yes, especially in COBOL or assembly language.  For instance,
>a GOTO to the end of a function ensures any of its cleanup code
>gets executed, and fulfils a goal of structured proramming:
>each function has one exit point.
>
>> I find the C code I write tends to do a lot of dynamic resource
>> allocations. These can sometimes fail with errors. So error recovery
>> will invariably involve cleaning up those parts of the allocations
>> which already succeeded. 

> Gotos are no good for this; you need to exit
>> levels of structure nesting one by one, disposing of allocations as
>> you go.

If in the start of the function all pointer are NULL, and in the end
of the function there are all the free() 
I not have find all your problems with possibly multiple goto that
point to the end of the function

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#125678 — Re: The end of software secrecy is almost upon

Fromboltar@caprica.universe
Date2026-11-06 16:38 +0000
SubjectRe: The end of software secrecy is almost upon
Message-ID<11ckvq4$1k59e$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#125674
On Fri, 06 Nov 2026 12:43:08 +0100
Rosario19 <Ros@invalid.invalid> gabbled:
>On Tue, 20 Oct 2026 23:18:44 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>On 2026-10-20, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 20 Oct 2026 19:04:55 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>
>>>> The undisciplined use of GOTOs is bad, agreed.
>>>
>>> Is there such a thing as a *disciplined* use of gotos?
>>
>>Yes, especially in COBOL or assembly language.  For instance,
>>a GOTO to the end of a function ensures any of its cleanup code
>>gets executed, and fulfils a goal of structured proramming:
>>each function has one exit point.
>>
>>> I find the C code I write tends to do a lot of dynamic resource
>>> allocations. These can sometimes fail with errors. So error recovery
>>> will invariably involve cleaning up those parts of the allocations
>>> which already succeeded. 
>
>> Gotos are no good for this; you need to exit
>>> levels of structure nesting one by one, disposing of allocations as
>>> you go.
>
>If in the start of the function all pointer are NULL, and in the end
>of the function there are all the free() 
>I not have find all your problems with possibly multiple goto that
>point to the end of the function

This is also a reason the only-one-exit-point nonsense mentioned above is a
Very Bad Idea unless its a simple function because you may have to do a load
of checks that wouldn't be required if the flow of control left at an earlier
point. Also with too much block nesting it becomes unreadable even in the best 
IDEs.

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#125095 — Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon

From"Steven G. Kargl" <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu>
Date2026-10-20 23:20 +0000
SubjectRe: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon
Message-ID<11b8t0q$3f09k$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#125083
On Tue, 20 Oct 2026 20:00:03 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:

> On Tue, 20 Oct 2026 19:04:55 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> 
>> The undisciplined use of GOTOs is bad, agreed.
> 
> Is there such a thing as a *disciplined* use of gotos?
> 

Yes.  D. Knuth, Structured Programming with go to Statements,
ACM Computing Surveys (CSUR), Vol 6, Issue 4, Pp 261-301, 1974
https://doi.org/10.1145/356635.356640

-- 
steve

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#125090 — Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon

FromCryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com>
Date2026-10-20 16:49 -0400
SubjectRe: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon
Message-ID<11b8k4t$3cba0$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#125079
On 10/20/2026 3:04 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2026-10-20, boltar@battlestar.co.uk <boltar@battlestar.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, 20 Oct 2026 13:20:40 -0400
>>
>> Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/20/2026 1:46 AM, Titus G wrote:
>>>
>>>> I thought that what was called Structured Programming became an
>>>> inviolable law when invented by whom I do not know but suspect that
>>>> bugger for the bottle or even earlier.
>>>
>>> ITYM:
>>>
>>> Edgar Dijkstra: Go To Statement Considered Harmful
>>
>> A man who clearly never programmed in assembler.
> 
> Of course.  He was a CS weenie - any mention of low-level
> programming makes those types turn purple.
> 

There was one time when I wrote 6502 assembler including
self-modifying code. That would have made them turn
ultraviolet.

The 6502 had some indexed load and store instructions, where
the instruction contained a base address, which was indexed
with a register. To deal with a big array (bitmap of the
Apple ][ HIRES screen), I wrote code that modified the base
address in the instruction. Of course, I was careful to
reset it when done.

pt

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#125098 — Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon

FromNuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-10-21 01:15 +0100
SubjectRe: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon
Message-ID<11b9079$3fe2f$5@dont-email.me>
In reply to#125079
On 2026-10-20, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> On 2026-10-20, boltar@battlestar.co.uk <boltar@battlestar.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 20 Oct 2026 13:20:40 -0400
>>
>> Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/20/2026 1:46 AM, Titus G wrote:
>>>
>>>> I thought that what was called Structured Programming became an
>>>> inviolable law when invented by whom I do not know but suspect that
>>>> bugger for the bottle or even earlier.
>>>
>>> ITYM:
>>>
>>> Edgar Dijkstra: Go To Statement Considered Harmful
>>
>> A man who clearly never programmed in assembler.
>
> Of course.  He was a CS weenie - any mention of low-level
> programming makes those types turn purple.
>
> Although Structured Programming introduced some good concepts,
> it also built a following of fanatics more bent on crucifying
> infidels than writing good practical programs.  Some people
> came to see the number of function calls a program made as
> a figure of merit, resulting in dozens of tiny functions that
> caused control to jump all over the place (which made virtual
> memory systems thrash).  And the end result wasn't that much
> more readable.
>
> The undisciplined use of GOTOs is bad, agreed.  But the
> undisciplined use of function calls isn't a whole lot better.
> After all, a function call is just a GOTO paired with a
> "come from", so in the end it's all still spaghetti code -
> it's just that the "structured" code runs double strands.

The "come from" IIRC is the key part here. If you use a function (and
don't goto into its body, as that would undo the benefit here), you can
analyze the function as a block with clearly defined flows and
separately from the rest of the program.

The criticism isn't about not putting everything into its own function,
it's about how using functions and other flow control structures instead
of e.g. gotos makes it easier to study and reason about these parts of
the code.

-- 
Nuno Silva

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#125089 — Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon

Fromscott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
Date2026-10-20 20:49 +0000
SubjectRe: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon
Message-ID<stQBS.93249$Q3f.77012@fx05.iad>
In reply to#125073
boltar@battlestar.co.uk writes:
>On Tue, 20 Oct 2026 13:20:40 -0400
>Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
>>On 10/20/2026 1:46 AM, Titus G wrote:
>>> On 20/10/2026 18:28, Thomas Koenig wrote:
>>>> Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> schrieb:
>>>>> Lynn McGuire  <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> One of the things that I am enjoying is that F2C gets rid of about 75%
>>>>>> of the Fortran Gotos.  The remaining 25% Gotos usually make some sense.
>>>>>> Ok, a little sense that any C or C++ programmer would have never used a
>>>>>> goto there.
>>>>>
>>>>> It drives me up the wall when people use a goto to jump out of a do loop.
>>>>> The compiler is doing so much cleanup work that the programmer never sees.
>>>>
>>>> Again, care to give an example?
>>> 
>>> I thought that what was called Structured Programming became an
>>> inviolable law when invented by whom I do not know but suspect that
>>> bugger for the bottle or even earlier.
>>
>>ITYM:
>>
>>Edgar Dijkstra: Go To Statement Considered Harmful
>
>A man who clearly never programmed in assembler.
>

Actually, it's highly likely he did program in assembler.

He was a Burroughs fellow for a decade however, working
on the large systems family which did not have an
assembler - flavors of Algol were the only way to write
systems (e.g. MCP) code.

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#125076

FromWilliam Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com>
Date2026-10-20 14:36 -0400
Message-ID<11b8cb4$39a00$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#125070
Cryptoengineer wrote:
> On 10/20/2026 1:46 AM, Titus G wrote:
>> On 20/10/2026 18:28, Thomas Koenig wrote:
>>> Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> schrieb:
>>>> Lynn McGuire  <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> One of the things that I am enjoying is that F2C gets rid of about 75%
>>>>> of the Fortran Gotos.  The remaining 25% Gotos usually make some 
>>>>> sense.
>>>>> Ok, a little sense that any C or C++ programmer would have never 
>>>>> used a
>>>>> goto there.
>>>>
>>>> It drives me up the wall when people use a goto to jump out of a do 
>>>> loop.
>>>> The compiler is doing so much cleanup work that the programmer never 
>>>> sees.
>>>
>>> Again, care to give an example?
>>
>> I thought that what was called Structured Programming became an
>> inviolable law when invented by whom I do not know but suspect that
>> bugger for the bottle or even earlier.
> 
> ITYM:
> 
> Edgar Dijkstra: Go To Statement Considered Harmful
> 
> https://homepages.cwi.nl/~storm/teaching/reader/Dijkstra68.pdf
>
First year computer science prof:

"When I first learned to program I thanked god for the goto statement. 
Now I hate the very sight of it".

Luckily I took German instead.

My own code was liberally festooned with goto statments, but as far as I 
can recall I never put a pointer in common.

Using goto to exit loops?  I can't recall doing that.  But I can't rule 
it out.

William Hyde

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#125104

FromTitus G <noone@nowhere.com>
Date2026-10-21 16:11 +1300
Message-ID<11b9aj5$3ipp4$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#125070
On 21/10/2026 06:20, Cryptoengineer wrote:
> On 10/20/2026 1:46 AM, Titus G wrote:
>> On 20/10/2026 18:28, Thomas Koenig wrote:
>>> Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> schrieb:
>>>> Lynn McGuire  <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> One of the things that I am enjoying is that F2C gets rid of about 75%
>>>>> of the Fortran Gotos.  The remaining 25% Gotos usually make some
>>>>> sense.
>>>>> Ok, a little sense that any C or C++ programmer would have never
>>>>> used a
>>>>> goto there.
>>>>
>>>> It drives me up the wall when people use a goto to jump out of a do
>>>> loop.
>>>> The compiler is doing so much cleanup work that the programmer never
>>>> sees.
>>>
>>> Again, care to give an example?
>>
>> I thought that what was called Structured Programming became an
>> inviolable law when invented by whom I do not know but suspect that
>> bugger for the bottle or even earlier.
> 
> ITYM:
> 
> Edgar Dijkstra: Go To Statement Considered Harmful
> 
> https://homepages.cwi.nl/~storm/teaching/reader/Dijkstra68.pdf
> 
> pt

Not Aristotle but the date on that PDF was 1968.
Initially we used to write spaghetti in Burroughs Assembler and machine
language but after less than a year of my employment, newer larger
hardware including a reliable hard disk was purchased by the commercial
bureau and everything was rewritten using Structured Programming and
COBOL which had a marvellously fast file indexing system and it became
possible to read other programmers' programs with such advantages being
great for the bureau but not so demanding and therefore rewarding for
programmers.

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#125110

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2026-10-21 05:37 +0000
Message-ID<11b9j26$3l77q$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#125104
On Wed, 21 Oct 2026 16:11:28 +1300, Titus G wrote:

> ... everything was rewritten using Structured Programming and COBOL
> which had a marvellously fast file indexing system and it became
> possible to read other programmers' programs with such advantages
> being great for the bureau but not so demanding and therefore
> rewarding for programmers.

But then, business procedures moved away from ISAM files to embrace
relational databases instead, and it turned out COBOL was a poor fit
for managing SQL queries.

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#125065

FromLynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com>
Date2026-10-20 00:48 -0500
Message-ID<11b6vc4$2npqv$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#125061
On 10/19/2026 5:57 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
> Lynn McGuire  <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>> One of the things that I am enjoying is that F2C gets rid of about 75%
>> of the Fortran Gotos.  The remaining 25% Gotos usually make some sense.
>> Ok, a little sense that any C or C++ programmer would have never used a
>> goto there.
> 
> It drives me up the wall when people use a goto to jump out of a do loop.
> The compiler is doing so much cleanup work that the programmer never sees.
> --scott

Why do you care about unseen work that the compiler is doing?  I 
guarantee that most programmers in these 64 bit days do not care.

Lynn

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#125066

Fromkludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey)
Date2026-10-20 09:39 -0400
Message-ID<11b7qtk$cde$1@panix2.panix.com>
In reply to#125065
Lynn McGuire  <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 10/19/2026 5:57 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
>> Lynn McGuire  <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> One of the things that I am enjoying is that F2C gets rid of about 75%
>>> of the Fortran Gotos.  The remaining 25% Gotos usually make some sense.
>>> Ok, a little sense that any C or C++ programmer would have never used a
>>> goto there.
>> 
>> It drives me up the wall when people use a goto to jump out of a do loop.
>> The compiler is doing so much cleanup work that the programmer never sees.
>
>Why do you care about unseen work that the compiler is doing?  I 
>guarantee that most programmers in these 64 bit days do not care.

Because I want my code to run fast!  I do very much seem to be in the 
minority today, it is true.
--scott
-- 
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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#125067

FromJohann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid>
Date2026-10-20 21:51 +0800
Message-ID<wlKBS.73568$0_s8.2091@fx09.ams4>
In reply to#125066
On 10/20/2026 9:39 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
> Lynn McGuire  <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 10/19/2026 5:57 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
>>> Lynn McGuire  <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> One of the things that I am enjoying is that F2C gets rid of about 75%
>>>> of the Fortran Gotos.  The remaining 25% Gotos usually make some sense.
>>>> Ok, a little sense that any C or C++ programmer would have never used a
>>>> goto there.
>>>
>>> It drives me up the wall when people use a goto to jump out of a do loop.
>>> The compiler is doing so much cleanup work that the programmer never sees.
>>
>> Why do you care about unseen work that the compiler is doing?  I
>> guarantee that most programmers in these 64 bit days do not care.
> 
> Because I want my code to run fast!  I do very much seem to be in the
> minority today, it is true.
> --scott

I presume you're working on some /hot code/, and will comment according-
ly.

I've come across complaints -- that I don't have handy -- that compilers
sometimes under-optimize, or otherwise cannot be told to do the right
thing.  One memorable complaint was the inability of then-GCC to align
a specific loop to the cache -- I believe a 16 byte boundary -- it was
only everything -- with the resulting drop in performance everywhere
else -- or nothing because there was no #pragma nor [[attribute]] to say
/this loop needs to be cache aligned/.


What do you do in these circumstances?  Has this happened to you at all?
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#125068

FromThomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de>
Date2026-10-20 15:50 +0000
Message-ID<11b82jv$356cu$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#125067
Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> schrieb:

> I've come across complaints -- that I don't have handy -- that compilers
> sometimes under-optimize, or otherwise cannot be told to do the right
> thing.

https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=SUSPENDED&bug_status=WAITING&bug_status=REOPENED&cf_known_to_fail_type=allwords&cf_known_to_work_type=allwords&keywords=missed-optimization%2C%20&keywords_type=allwords&limit=0&list_id=536399&order=priority%2Cbug_severity&query_format=advanced

gives you (as of now) 4588 exammples.

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#125088

Fromkludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey)
Date2026-10-20 16:41 -0400
Message-ID<11b8jm7$8a2$1@panix2.panix.com>
In reply to#125067
Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson  <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> wrote:
>On 10/20/2026 9:39 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
>> Because I want my code to run fast!  I do very much seem to be in the
>> minority today, it is true.
>
>I presume you're working on some /hot code/, and will comment according-
>ly.

It's not super hot, but it's often pretty dense dsp stuff and requires
extensive commenting to describe exactly what equations are for and how
they are being used.

Unfortunately so much of the code I deal with has comments like

C      BRAINDAMAGE!  ROCKWELL-COLLINS BRAINDAMAGE!

Which are expressive and they are good warnings that something is about
to follow which has to do with hardware design deficiencies but not 
actually very informative about what they are.

>I've come across complaints -- that I don't have handy -- that compilers
>sometimes under-optimize, or otherwise cannot be told to do the right
>thing.  One memorable complaint was the inability of then-GCC to align
>a specific loop to the cache -- I believe a 16 byte boundary -- it was
>only everything -- with the resulting drop in performance everywhere
>else -- or nothing because there was no #pragma nor [[attribute]] to say
>/this loop needs to be cache aligned/.

There used to be a lot of complaints like that around here, but these
days gcc is so much better than it was even a decade ago.  The new 
gfortran is not perfect but it's entirely acceptable and takes advantage
of the good backend developed for gcc.  The older g77 was excruciating.
I'd read the .a files that came out and just want to hit my head on the
desk.

>What do you do in these circumstances?  Has this happened to you at all?

I go home and I have a drink and I try not to think about it.  Yes, it
could run a lot better but....
--scott

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#125097

From"Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com>
Date2026-10-20 16:48 -0700
Message-ID<11b8uji$3fjht$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#125088
On 10/20/2026 1:41 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
> Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson  <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> wrote:
>> On 10/20/2026 9:39 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
>>> Because I want my code to run fast!  I do very much seem to be in the
>>> minority today, it is true.
>>
>> I presume you're working on some /hot code/, and will comment according-
>> ly.
> 
> It's not super hot, but it's often pretty dense dsp stuff and requires
> extensive commenting to describe exactly what equations are for and how
> they are being used.
> 
> Unfortunately so much of the code I deal with has comments like
> 
> C      BRAINDAMAGE!  ROCKWELL-COLLINS BRAINDAMAGE!
> 
> Which are expressive and they are good warnings that something is about
> to follow which has to do with hardware design deficiencies but not
> actually very informative about what they are.
> 
>> I've come across complaints -- that I don't have handy -- that compilers
>> sometimes under-optimize, or otherwise cannot be told to do the right
>> thing.  One memorable complaint was the inability of then-GCC to align
>> a specific loop to the cache -- I believe a 16 byte boundary -- it was
>> only everything -- with the resulting drop in performance everywhere
>> else -- or nothing because there was no #pragma nor [[attribute]] to say
>> /this loop needs to be cache aligned/.
> 
> There used to be a lot of complaints like that around here, but these
> days gcc is so much better than it was even a decade ago.  The new
> gfortran is not perfect but it's entirely acceptable and takes advantage
> of the good backend developed for gcc.  The older g77 was excruciating.
> I'd read the .a files that came out and just want to hit my head on the
> desk.
> 
>> What do you do in these circumstances?  Has this happened to you at all?
> 
> I go home and I have a drink and I try not to think about it.  Yes, it
> could run a lot better but....
A drink? Ahh some brain coolants. Well, they are needed from time to 
time... ;^D

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