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Re: Idea for spin-wait loops

From "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c++
Subject Re: Idea for spin-wait loops
Date 2024-03-26 13:31 -0700
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On 3/26/2024 1:30 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> On 3/26/2024 1:23 PM, Bonita Montero wrote:
>> Am 26.03.2024 um 21:02 schrieb Chris M. Thomasson:
>>> On 3/26/2024 3:12 AM, Bonita Montero wrote:
>>>> Am 26.03.2024 um 03:48 schrieb Chris M. Thomasson:
>>>>> On 3/23/2024 11:38 PM, Bonita Montero wrote:
>>>>>> Am 23.03.2024 um 21:58 schrieb Chris M. Thomasson:
>>>>>>> On 3/23/2024 1:52 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 3/23/2024 9:53 AM, Bonita Montero wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I've got a nice idea for a new processor-extrension for spin-wait
>>>>>>>>> -loops. The idea is that a thread of a processors enters a sleep
>>>>>>>>> state if a word in memory is equal to a certain register until
>>>>>>>>> the cacheline containing the word is modified or there's a timeout
>>>>>>>>> according to the timestamp-counter's value.
>>>>>>>>> This would eliminate active spinning and polling a value in 
>>>>>>>>> memory.
>>>>>>>>> Polling would occur only if the cacheline would be modified by
>>>>>>>>> another thread.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> futex
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> MWAIT?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> MWAIT has no timeout.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Not sure how important it would be for MWAIT to have a timeout... 
>>>>> You are referring to user space, right?
>>>>
>>>> MWAIT could be used for limited spinning like glibc's pthread_mutex
>>>> is capable. The advantage of a MWAIT with timout would be much less
>>>> interconnect-traffic compared to polling.
>>>>
>>>
>>> MWAIT is meant to get around polling?
>>
>> MWAIT could replace polling / spinning on a mutex for a limited
>> time if it would have a timeout.
>>
> 
> So, you timeout, check some other stuff, then wait again. Still sounds 
> like polling?

Sounds like you want a hardware based futex.

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Idea for spin-wait loops Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2024-03-23 17:53 +0100
  Re: Idea for spin-wait loops "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-03-23 13:52 -0700
    Re: Idea for spin-wait loops "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-03-23 13:58 -0700
      Re: Idea for spin-wait loops Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2024-03-24 07:38 +0100
        Re: Idea for spin-wait loops "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-03-25 19:48 -0700
          Re: Idea for spin-wait loops Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2024-03-26 11:12 +0100
            Re: Idea for spin-wait loops "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-03-26 13:02 -0700
              Re: Idea for spin-wait loops Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2024-03-26 21:23 +0100
                Re: Idea for spin-wait loops "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-03-26 13:30 -0700
                Re: Idea for spin-wait loops "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-03-26 13:31 -0700
                Re: Idea for spin-wait loops Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2024-03-27 10:18 +0100
              Re: Idea for spin-wait loops Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-03-27 17:09 +0200
                Re: Idea for spin-wait loops "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-03-27 12:58 -0700
    Re: Idea for spin-wait loops Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2024-03-24 07:37 +0100
      Re: Idea for spin-wait loops "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-03-24 12:33 -0700
    Re: Idea for spin-wait loops scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-03-24 20:43 +0000
      Re: Idea for spin-wait loops Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2024-03-25 07:23 +0100
      Re: Idea for spin-wait loops Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-03-25 14:34 +0200
        Re: Idea for spin-wait loops Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-03-25 19:11 +0200
        Re: Idea for spin-wait loops Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2024-03-25 18:53 +0100
          Re: Idea for spin-wait loops "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-03-26 13:13 -0700

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