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| From | "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.misc, comp.lang.c++ |
| Subject | Re: Learning to code by reading code |
| Date | 2012-02-20 17:36 -0500 |
| Organization | Aioe.org NNTP Server |
| Message-ID | <jhuhvb$6sr$1@speranza.aioe.org> (permalink) |
| References | (7 earlier) <assembly-20120219023621@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de> <jhqde4$grl$1@speranza.aioe.org> <d3b454ac-ae8e-4bd6-b67e-2e8e4050f849@w4g2000vbc.googlegroups.com> <jht2uv$qnq$1@speranza.aioe.org> <2bc2a617-e283-44c7-9fd3-63d2887b896e@y10g2000vbn.googlegroups.com> |
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"Nick Keighley" <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:2bc2a617-e283-44c7-9fd3-63d2887b896e@y10g2000vbn.googlegroups.com... > On Feb 20, 9:14 am, "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_h...@noavailemail.cmm> > wrote: ... > > [a Clike language] most likely inherited the basic > > functionality that a programmer needs to know. > > exceptions, closures, continuations, modads, > > lost of stuff C doesn't provide. Don't you mean: lots of stuff C doesn't need? ... How many of the languages which have a language feature that is "missing" from C are compiled to C or once were? (The great majority of them do or did. That includes C++ at one point in time via Cfront. Nearly all modern dynamicly typed languages do.) > > How do you know your compiler is compliant with a specification, > > or your compiler accurately implements what you expect your code > > to do? Testing only? What if you missed something you could've > > caught had you simply just read the assembly? > > in my experience compiler bugs are very rare Well, you must not have much experience. Or, you've just never noticed the errors because 1) you've never studied or verified the assembly output and 2) the error was never "triggered". I've found either compilation errors or library coding errors with most of the C compilers I've used. One compiler optimized away code that shouldn't have been, but only for one intermediate optimization level. All optimization levels above or below the intermediate level worked correctly. Another had type conversion errors in the assembly when a specific type was used with any other type. In one library, an erroneously coded function was supposed to return three states, but returned only two. Issues like these were not found in compilers where you'd expect them, say SmallC, but in quality compilers, like GNU C, OpenWatcom, etc. The problem with not looking at the assembly is that errors can exist for exceptionally long time periods before being noticed. Rod Pemberton
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Re: The way to read STL source code Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-02-18 14:13 +1300
Re: Learning to code by reading code (was: The way to read STL source code) "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2012-02-18 19:00 -0500
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Re: Learning to code by reading code "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2012-02-19 03:54 -0500
Re: Learning to code by reading code "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> - 2012-02-19 10:42 +0100
Re: Learning to code by reading code "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2012-02-20 03:39 -0500
Re: Learning to code by reading code "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2012-02-19 03:54 -0500
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Re: Learning to code by reading code "MikeWhy" <boat042-nospam@yahoo.com> - 2012-02-19 13:17 -0600
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Re: Learning to code by reading code "io_x" <a@b.c.invalid> - 2012-02-20 13:02 +0100
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Re: Learning to code by reading code "io_x" <a@b.c.invalid> - 2012-02-20 13:02 +0100
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Re: Learning to code by reading code "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-02-20 13:53 +0000
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Re: Learning to code by reading code Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-02-21 08:40 -0800
Re: Learning to code by reading code "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2012-02-20 17:36 -0500
Re: Learning to code by reading code Mike McCarty <mcmccarty@gmail.com> - 2012-02-20 15:27 -0800
Re: Learning to code by reading code Dombo <dombo@disposable.invalid> - 2012-02-21 00:45 +0100
Re: Learning to code by reading code "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2012-02-21 04:35 -0500
Re: Learning to code by reading code Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-02-21 08:48 -0800
Re: Learning to code by reading code Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-02-22 00:12 -0800
Re: Learning to code by reading code "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2012-02-22 06:12 -0500
Re: Learning to code by reading code Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-02-22 04:30 -0800
Re: Learning to code by reading code Geoff <geoff@invalid.invalid> - 2012-02-22 10:45 -0800
Re: Learning to code by reading code Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-02-23 01:12 -0800
Re: Learning to code by reading code "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2012-02-23 07:34 -0500
Re: Learning to code by reading code Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-02-23 05:46 -0800
Re: Learning to code by reading code "io_x" <a@b.c.invalid> - 2012-02-24 08:38 +0100
Re: Learning to code by reading code "io_x" <a@b.c.invalid> - 2012-02-24 08:40 +0100
Re: Learning to code by reading code "io_x" <a@b.c.invalid> - 2012-02-24 09:38 +0100
Re: Learning to code by reading code "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2012-02-25 05:25 -0500
Re: Learning to code by reading code Dombo <dombo@disposable.invalid> - 2012-02-25 12:50 +0100
Re: Learning to code by reading code Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-02-25 06:13 -0800
Re: Learning to code by reading code Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2012-02-26 07:20 +0000
Re: Learning to code by reading code Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid> - 2012-02-21 08:23 +0000
Re: Learning to code by reading code Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid> - 2012-02-21 08:43 +0000
Re: Learning to code by reading code "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2012-02-21 04:47 -0500
Re: Learning to code by reading code Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid> - 2012-02-21 10:09 +0000
Re: Learning to code by reading code "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2012-02-22 05:38 -0500
Re: Learning to code by reading code "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2012-02-21 04:31 -0500
Re: Learning to code by reading code Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid> - 2012-02-21 10:05 +0000
Re: Learning to code by reading code "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> - 2012-02-21 12:21 +0100
Re: Learning to code by reading code "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2012-02-22 06:04 -0500
Re: Learning to code by reading code "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-02-21 11:01 +0000
Re: Learning to code by reading code "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2012-02-22 05:59 -0500
Re: Learning to code by reading code Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-02-21 01:27 -0800
Re: Learning to code by reading code Peter Remmers <p.remmers@expires-2011-04-30.arcornews.de> - 2012-02-20 22:25 +0100
Re: Learning to code by reading code Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2012-02-26 08:47 +0000
Re: Learning to code by reading code "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-02-26 10:55 +0000
Re: Learning to code by reading code Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2012-02-22 08:59 +0100
Re: Learning to code by reading code "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2012-02-22 05:59 -0500
Re: Learning to code by reading code Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2012-02-22 13:47 +0100
Re: Learning to code by reading code "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2012-02-23 06:21 -0500
Re: Learning to code by reading code Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-02-22 00:08 -0800
Re: Learning to code by reading code "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2012-02-19 03:54 -0500
Re: Learning to code by reading code Stanley Rice <heconghui@gmail.com> - 2012-02-19 05:24 -0800
Re: Learning to code by reading code Marco van de Voort <marcov@toad.stack.nl> - 2012-02-19 11:27 +0000
Re: Learning to code by reading code (was: The way to read STL source code) Ebenezer <woodbrian77@gmail.com> - 2012-02-18 20:02 -0800
Re: Learning to code by reading code (was: The way to read STL source code) 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2012-02-18 21:51 -0800
Re: Learning to code by reading code (was: The way to read STL source code) "Bo Persson" <bop@gmb.dk> - 2012-02-19 16:10 +0100
Re: The way to read STL source code Mark Elston <m.elston@advantest-ard.com> - 2012-02-21 16:40 -0800
Re: The way to read STL source code Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-02-17 01:06 -0800
Re: The way to read STL source code Goran <goran.pusic@gmail.com> - 2012-02-16 23:36 -0800
Re: The way to read STL source code Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-02-17 01:12 -0800
Re: The way to read STL source code Goran <goran.pusic@gmail.com> - 2012-02-17 03:57 -0800
Re: The way to read STL source code Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-02-17 05:15 -0800
Re: The way to read STL source code Goran <goran.pusic@gmail.com> - 2012-02-17 06:02 -0800
Re: The way to read STL source code Stanley Rice <heconghui@gmail.com> - 2012-02-17 17:08 -0800
Re: The way to read STL source code Dombo <dombo@disposable.invalid> - 2012-02-19 16:52 +0100
Re: The way to read STL source code Krice <paulkp@mbnet.fi> - 2012-02-24 00:38 -0800
Re: The way to read STL source code 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2012-02-25 10:46 -0800
Re: The way to read STL source code 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2012-02-26 14:57 -0800
Re: The way to read STL source code Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-02-27 03:02 -0800
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