Re: why use static_cast ?

From	Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.c++
Subject	Re: why use static_cast ?
Date	2022-11-15 17:10 -0800
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Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> writes:

> Andrey Tarasevich <andreytarasevich@hotmail.com> writes:
>
>> On 10/20/2022 4:23 AM, Paul N wrote:
>>
>>> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 6:21:25 AM UTC+1, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>
>>>> They are both pointers to 8 byte objects.  I am just declaring
>>>> that I want to use the same address as a 8 byte character string
>>>> (no null !) or a long long integer.
>>>
>>> Isn't that exactly what a union is for?  Though if you are hoping
>>> to put in values of one type and read them out as values of the
>>> other then you would need to check that this is actually defined
>>> in your implementation.
>>
>> "Exactly what a union is for"?
>>
>> It is true that unions have been used for type punning from time to
>> time, but this is not "what a union is for".  Union is a
>> memory-time-sharing feature that exists for reducing memory usage.
>> You don't normally "put in values of one type and read them out as
>> values of the other".  That's not exactly what union is for.
>
> Agreed.
>
> K&R1 (1978) introduces unions in section 6.8.  It discusses holding
> objects of different types at different times;  it says nothing
> about type punning.  (The version of C discussed in the 1975 manual
> didn't have unions.)

Even so, clearly it was expected that unions would be used for
type punning, and that type punning would work the same way it
works now, even during the early days of C between K&R1 and when
the original ANSI C committee was formed.  Evidence for this
assertion may be found in the C Rationale document, which says
nothing about using unions for type punning.  The lack of any
mention in the Rationale document means it must have been common
practice in the early days, otherwise it would have been new
behavior and surely would have been discussed and debated and
written up in the Rationale document.  Because it wasn't, unions
obviously were being used that way all along.

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why use static_cast ? Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2022-10-19 21:01 -0500
  Re: why use static_cast ? "daniel...@gmail.com" <danielaparker@gmail.com> - 2022-10-19 19:40 -0700
    Re: why use static_cast ? Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2022-10-20 00:21 -0500
      Re: why use static_cast ? Andrey Tarasevich <andreytarasevich@hotmail.com> - 2022-10-19 23:21 -0700
        Re: why use static_cast ? Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid> - 2022-10-20 07:19 +0000
          Re: why use static_cast ? Andrey Tarasevich <andreytarasevich@hotmail.com> - 2022-10-20 00:21 -0700
      Re: why use static_cast ? Paul N <gw7rib@aol.com> - 2022-10-20 04:23 -0700
        Re: why use static_cast ? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2022-10-20 14:14 +0100
        Re: why use static_cast ? Andrey Tarasevich <andreytarasevich@hotmail.com> - 2022-10-20 09:17 -0700
          Re: why use static_cast ? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2022-10-20 09:52 -0700
            Re: why use static_cast ? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2022-11-15 17:10 -0800
              Re: why use static_cast ? Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid> - 2022-11-16 09:26 +0000
                Re: why use static_cast ? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2022-11-16 14:36 +0100
                Re: why use static_cast ? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2022-11-20 05:54 -0800
      Re: why use static_cast ? "daniel...@gmail.com" <danielaparker@gmail.com> - 2022-10-20 08:11 -0700
  Re: why use static_cast ? Andrey Tarasevich <andreytarasevich@hotmail.com> - 2022-10-19 20:09 -0700
  Re: why use static_cast ? Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid> - 2022-10-20 05:44 +0000
    Re: why use static_cast ? Gawr Gura <gawrgura@mail.hololive.com> - 2022-10-20 14:50 +0000
      Re: why use static_cast ? JiiPee <kerrttuPoistaTama11@gmail.com> - 2022-10-20 17:53 +0300
  Re: why use static_cast ? Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2022-10-20 08:52 +0200
    Re: why use static_cast ? JiiPee <kerrttuPoistaTama11@gmail.com> - 2022-10-20 17:52 +0300
  Re: why use static_cast ? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-10-20 13:55 +0000
    Re: why use static_cast ? JiiPee <kerrttuPoistaTama11@gmail.com> - 2022-10-20 17:55 +0300
      Re: why use static_cast ? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-10-20 15:01 +0000
        Re: why use static_cast ? JiiPee <kerrttuPoistaTama11@gmail.com> - 2022-10-20 18:32 +0300
          Re: why use static_cast ? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-10-20 16:07 +0000
            Re: why use static_cast ? JiiPee <kerrttuPoistaTama11@gmail.com> - 2022-10-20 20:14 +0300
              Re: why use static_cast ? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-10-20 17:30 +0000
                Re: why use static_cast ? JiiPee <kerrttuPoistaTama11@gmail.com> - 2022-10-20 20:41 +0300
              Re: why use static_cast ? Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2022-10-21 14:05 -0500
                Re: why use static_cast ? JiiPee <kerrttuPoistaTama11@gmail.com> - 2022-10-22 00:09 +0300
                Re: why use static_cast ? JiiPee <kerrttuPoistaTama11@gmail.com> - 2022-10-22 08:47 +0300
                Re: why use static_cast ? Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2022-10-22 15:03 -0500
                Re: why use static_cast ? Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2022-10-23 07:35 +0000
                Re: why use static_cast ? JiiPee <kerrttuPoistaTama11@gmail.com> - 2022-10-23 15:28 +0300
                Re: why use static_cast ? Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2022-10-23 14:13 -0500
                Re: why use static_cast ? Manfred <noname@add.invalid> - 2022-10-23 20:27 +0200
                Re: why use static_cast ? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2022-10-23 15:04 -0700
                Re: why use static_cast ? Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2022-10-23 23:14 -0500
          Re: why use static_cast ? Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2022-10-21 17:21 +0200
      Re: why use static_cast ? Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2022-10-21 17:24 +0200
    Re: why use static_cast ? Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2022-10-20 13:21 -0500
      Re: why use static_cast ? Manfred <noname@add.invalid> - 2022-10-21 05:52 +0200
        Re: why use static_cast ? Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2022-10-21 13:59 -0500
          Re: why use static_cast ? Bo Persson <bo@bo-persson.se> - 2022-10-22 18:31 +0200
            Re: why use static_cast ? Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2022-10-22 15:05 -0500
            Re: why use static_cast ? Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2022-10-22 17:34 -0500
        Re: why use static_cast ? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2022-11-02 17:54 -0700
          Re: why use static_cast ? Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2022-11-03 08:51 -0700
            Re: why use static_cast ? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2022-11-15 16:19 -0800
              Re: why use static_cast ? Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2022-11-15 23:02 -0800
                Re: why use static_cast ? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2022-11-20 05:59 -0800
                Re: why use static_cast ? "Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach@gmail.com> - 2022-11-20 15:05 +0100
                Re: why use static_cast ? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2022-11-20 07:22 -0800
                Re: why use static_cast ? Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2022-11-20 08:40 -0800
                Re: why use static_cast ? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2022-12-28 20:43 -0800
    Re: why use static_cast ? Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid> - 2022-11-04 07:27 +0000
      Re: why use static_cast ? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-11-04 13:47 +0000
        Re: why use static_cast ? Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-05 21:34 +0000
        Re: why use static_cast ? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2022-11-06 03:25 -0500
        Re: why use static_cast ? Paavo Helde <eesnimi@osa.pri.ee> - 2022-11-06 17:34 +0200
          Re: why use static_cast ? Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid> - 2022-11-07 07:13 +0000
      Re: why use static_cast ? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2022-11-04 09:09 -0700
  Re: why use static_cast ? Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2022-10-20 13:21 -0500

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