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  Latest draft of C++ 11  Joe Gottman <josephgottman@comcast.net> - 2011-06-05 21:45 -0600
    Re: Latest draft of C++ 11  Anthony Williams <anthony.ajw@gmail.com> - 2011-06-06 12:46 -0600
    Re: Latest draft of C++ 11 Organization: Roundhouse Consulting, Ltd.  Pete Becker <pete@versatilecoding.com> - 2011-06-06 12:44 -0600
      Re: Latest draft of C++ 11 Organization: Roundhouse Consulting, Ltd. Florian Weimer <fw@deneb.enyo.de> - 2011-06-06 15:29 -0600
        Re: Latest draft of C++ 11 Organization: Roundhouse Consulting, Ltd. Elias Salomão Helou Neto <eshneto@gmail.com> - 2011-06-07 03:05 -0600
          Re: Latest draft of C++ 11 Organization: Roundhouse Consulting,  Ltd.  Daniel Krügler <daniel.kruegler@googlemail.com> - 2011-06-07 10:33 -0600
            Re: Latest draft of C++ 11 Organization: Roundhouse Consulting, Ltd.  Francis Glassborow <francis.glassborow@btinternet.com> - 2011-06-08 01:55 -0600
              Re: Latest draft of C++ 11 Organization: Roundhouse Consulting, Ltd.  Elias Salomão Helou Neto <eshneto@gmail.com> - 2011-06-08 17:28 -0600
                Re: Latest draft of C++ 11 Organization: Roundhouse Consulting, Ltd.  Thomas Richter <thor@math.tu-berlin.de> - 2011-06-09 07:04 -0600
            Re: Latest draft of C++ 11 Organization: Roundhouse Consulting, Ltd.  Elias Salomão Helou Neto <eshneto@gmail.com> - 2011-06-08 02:05 -0600
              Re: Latest draft of C++ 11 Organization: Roundhouse Consulting, Ltd.  "Bo Persson" <bop@gmb.dk> - 2011-06-08 17:23 -0600
              Re: Latest draft of C++ 11 Organization: Roundhouse Consulting, Ltd.  Francis Glassborow <francis.glassborow@btinternet.com> - 2011-06-08 17:31 -0600
          Re: Latest draft of C++ 11 Organization: Roundhouse Consulting, Ltd.  Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org> - 2011-06-08 02:03 -0600
            Re: Latest draft of C++ 11 Organization: Roundhouse Consulting, Ltd.  John G Harris <news0@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2011-06-08 17:26 -0600
              Re: Latest draft of C++ 11 Organization: Roundhouse Consulting, Ltd. Alexander Terekhov <terekhov@web.de> - 2011-06-09 15:49 -0600
                Re: Latest draft of C++ 11 Organization: Roundhouse Consulting, Ltd.  Pete Becker <pete@versatilecoding.com> - 2011-06-10 02:50 -0600
                  Re: Latest draft of C++ 11 Organization: Roundhouse Consulting,  Ltd.  Alexander Terekhov <terekhov@web.de> - 2011-06-10 09:22 -0600
        Re: Latest draft of C++ 11 Organization: Roundhouse Consulting, Ltd.  Brendan Miller <catphive@catphive.net> - 2011-06-08 02:04 -0600
          Re: Latest draft of C++ 11 Organization: Roundhouse Consulting, Ltd.  Francis Glassborow <francis.glassborow@btinternet.com> - 2011-06-08 17:19 -0600
          Re: Latest draft of C++ 11 Organization: Roundhouse Consulting, Ltd.  Florian Weimer <fw@deneb.enyo.de> - 2011-06-08 17:26 -0600
    Re: Latest draft of C++ 11 "Bo Persson" <bop@gmb.dk> - 2011-06-06 12:49 -0600
      Re: Latest draft of C++ 11  Helmut Jarausch <jarausch@igpm.rwth-aachen.de> - 2011-06-08 02:06 -0600
        Re: Latest draft of C++ 11  "Bo Persson" <bop@gmb.dk> - 2011-06-08 17:29 -0600
        Re: Latest draft of C++ 11  Alexander Terekhov <terekhov@web.de> - 2011-06-08 17:24 -0600
          Re: Latest draft of C++ 11  Francis Glassborow <francis.glassborow@btinternet.com> - 2011-06-09 06:57 -0600
            Re: Latest draft of C++ 11 Alexander Terekhov <terekhov@web.de> - 2011-06-09 15:53 -0600
    Re: Latest draft of C++ 11  Florian Weimer <fw@deneb.enyo.de> - 2011-06-06 12:45 -0600
    Re: Latest draft of C++ 11  Francis Glassborow <francis.glassborow@btinternet.com> - 2011-06-06 12:48 -0600
    Re: Latest draft of C++ 11  Daniel Krügler <daniel.kruegler@googlemail.com> - 2011-06-06 12:48 -0600
    Re: Latest draft of C++ 11  Nicola  Bonelli <nicola.bonelli@gmail.com> - 2011-06-08 02:01 -0600

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#1375

Joe Gottman wrote:
> When I tried to download the most recent draft of C++11
> (http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/prot/14882fdis/n3291.pdf) it
> demanded I enter a user name and password.  I was able to download
> previous versions without a problem. What's going on?
>

This is very close, if not identical,  to the standard that ISO and
ANSI intend to sell later. If everyone could download it for free,
that would obviously hurt the future sales.


Bo Persson


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#1400

On Mon, 06 Jun 2011 12:49:04 -0600, Bo Persson wrote:

> Joe Gottman wrote:
>> When I tried to download the most recent draft of C++11
>> (http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/prot/14882fdis/n3291.pdf) it
>> demanded I enter a user name and password.  I was able to download
>> previous versions without a problem. What's going on?
>> 
>> 
> This is very close, if not identical,  to the standard that ISO and ANSI
> intend to sell later. If everyone could download it for free, that would
> obviously hurt the future sales.

But that doesn't make sense! I do have a copy of n3291.pdf downloaded on
April, 18th.

See also
http://groups.google.com/g/71a7ff08/t/766b6c40206ac6a0/d/3394b17661b12ef2


Helmut.


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#1404

Helmut Jarausch wrote:
> On Mon, 06 Jun 2011 12:49:04 -0600, Bo Persson wrote:
> 
>> Joe Gottman wrote:
>>> When I tried to download the most recent draft of C++11
>>> (http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/prot/14882fdis/n3291.pdf)
>>> it demanded I enter a user name and password.  I was able to
>>> download previous versions without a problem. What's going on?
>>> 
>>> 
>> This is very close, if not identical,  to the standard that ISO
>> and ANSI intend to sell later. If everyone could download it for
>> free, that would obviously hurt the future sales.
> 
> But that doesn't make sense! I do have a copy of n3291.pdf
> downloaded on April, 18th.
> 
> See also
> http://groups.google.com/g/71a7ff08/t/766b6c40206ac6a0/d/3394b17661b12ef2
> 
> 

It was obviously a mistake to publish them initially. The documents 
have since been moved to the protected committee-only part of the 
site.

Those of us fast enough to take advantage of the mistake can enjoy 
reading the documents now. Others will have to wait until they become 
official (and probably with a price tag).



Bo Persson



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#1409

C++ should get rid of ISO and go to ECMA:

http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/files/ECMA-MEMENTOS/Ecma%20memento%201962%20public.pdf

[... TC5 -- ALGOL ... TC6 -- COBOL ... ECMA proposed standards will be
made available without restriction to all interested parties as soon as
they have been approved ... ]

regards,
alexander.


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#1418

On 09/06/2011 00:24, Alexander Terekhov wrote:
>
> C++ should get rid of ISO and go to ECMA:
>
>
http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/files/ECMA-MEMENTOS/Ecma%20me
mento%201962%20public.pdf
>
> [... TC5 -- ALGOL ... TC6 -- COBOL ... ECMA proposed standards will be
> made available without restriction to all interested parties as soon as
> they have been approved ... ]

Have you any idea how much it costs to participate in developing an ECMA 
Standard? At least ISO allowed me to attend meetings as a member of my 
NB delegation without charging me for it. ECMA Standards are usually 
developed by a very small number of people, usually representing large 
companies with vested interests.



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#1433

Francis Glassborow wrote:
> 
> On 09/06/2011 00:24, Alexander Terekhov wrote:
> >
> > C++ should get rid of ISO and go to ECMA:
> >
> >
>
http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/files/ECMA-MEMENTOS/Ecma%20me
> mento%201962%20public.pdf
> >
> > [... TC5 -- ALGOL ... TC6 -- COBOL ... ECMA proposed standards will be
> > made available without restriction to all interested parties as soon as
> > they have been approved ... ]
> 
> Have you any idea how much it costs to participate in developing an ECMA
> Standard? At least ISO allowed me to attend meetings as a member of my

Well,

http://www.ecma-international.org/activities/General/presentingecma.pdf

"Five membership categories, to reflect the diversity of stakeholders in
the ICT industry:

  - Paying: Ordinary (OM), Associate (AM), Small and Medium-sized
Enterprise (SME), Small Private Company (SPC)

  - No charge: Not-for-Profit (NFP)

Note: Members are organizations, not individuals"

See also:

http://www.ecma-international.org/memento/join.htm

regards,
alexander.


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#1377

* Joe Gottman:

> When I tried to download the most recent draft of C++11
> (http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/prot/14882fdis/n3291.pdf) it
> demanded I enter a user name and password.  I was able to download
> previous versions without a problem. What's going on?

I guess they're preparing for the final version, which will be sold by
ISO.


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#1378

On 06/06/2011 04:45, Joe Gottman wrote:
> When I tried to download the most recent draft of C++11
> (http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/prot/14882fdis/n3291.pdf) it
> demanded I enter a user name and password. I was able to download
> previous versions without a problem. What's going on?

That latest version is the final draft IS as such it will come under ISO
rules with restricted circulation to those that require access 'for the
purpose of standardisation'.  In other words it is effectively what they
intend to sell in about 3 months time. Up to this stage the document is
a consultative one which is why WG21 has got away with allowing public
access.


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#1379

On 2011-06-06 05:45, Joe Gottman wrote:
> When I tried to download the most recent draft of C++11
> (http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/prot/14882fdis/n3291.pdf) it
> demanded I enter a user name and password. I was able to download
> previous versions without a problem. What's going on?

It has been explained to me that this restriction is in agreement with
ISO JTC 1 rules, but I'm unaware of any further details or the specific
reasons for this recent change, sorry.

HTH & Greetings from Bremen,

- Daniel Krügler


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#1398

In short, what is the most recent draft available for downloading? is
it the n3242.pdf or a more recent version is also available ?

Thanks,
Nicola Bonelli


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