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  Re: GOPHER - An Alternative Internet yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2025-11-05 09:24 +0042
    Re: GOPHER - An Alternative Internet yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2025-11-05 10:31 +0042

#155 — Re: GOPHER - An Alternative Internet

John McCue <jmclnx@SPAMisBADgmail.com> wrote:

> Followups trimmed to: news.software.nntp

Why <*.nntp>?

<comp.infosystems> (added it) would have fit better?

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IMO oldstyle plain HTTP looks easier to implement[P] than Gopher, and if
you look for maximised simplicity, look at NEX[N].  Serving HTTP over
Gopher or NEX is possible, and HTML over FTP was common in the WWW's
early days.

Back in the 90s Gopher was supported by the default browsers.  Today it
smells like pure nostalgia or separatism.  Browsers were invented as
multi protocol network file viewers to make users' access to documents
easier.  Now they degraded to single protocol network file viewers and
instead of a revolting user base rejecting HTTP-only browsers, the
answer seems more separatism implemented as lots of single protocol
network file viewers for Gemini, Gopher, Guppy, Mole, Nex, Scorpion,
Scroll, Spartan, and more[S].  This is not what the Web and the
browser(s) were meant to be.

                Interoperability created the (Inter)Net.

                 Bring back multi[M] protocol browsers!

____________

[M]: Chawan, Dillo, Elinks, Links, W3M and even Emacs bring back access
     to lots of protocols via the same application, and so does:

       SMOLNET PORTAL
       <https://portal.mozz.us/>

[N]: NEX looks like pure simplicity ...

       NEX INFORMATION CENTER
       <https://portal.mozz.us/nex/nightfall.city/nex/info/>

     ... but there are still some unanswered question:

       THE NEX PROTOCOL
       <https://portal.mozz.us/nex/mozz.us/nex-protocol-notes.txt>

[P]: Sure implementing HTML is a different calibre, but we should
     discuss protocols and text formats independently.

[S]: See ...

       From: Michael Lazar <lazar.michael22@gmail.com>
       Newsgroups: gmane.network.protocols.gemini
       Subject: SMALL INTERNET PROTOCOL ROUNDUP
       Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2021 13:15:22 -0400
       Subject: SMALL INTERNET PROTOCOL ROUNDUP
       Message-ID: <CAFTy05b=VURe-19V3gsP_EXWSopCHsopRU5EXLqYBnWU7ZP3Yw@mail.gmail.com>

     ... which was updated by ...

       <scorpion://zzo38computer.org/smallweb.txt>

     ... but I currently cannot access Scorpion.  There was a copy of it
     in a <comp.infosystem.*> group, but I forgot where I have the
     bookmark.  :-(

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yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> wrote:

> [S]: See ...
>
>        From: Michael Lazar <lazar.michael22@gmail.com>
>        Newsgroups: gmane.network.protocols.gemini
>        Subject: SMALL INTERNET PROTOCOL ROUNDUP
>        Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2021 13:15:22 -0400
>        Subject: SMALL INTERNET PROTOCOL ROUNDUP
>        Message-ID: <CAFTy05b=VURe-19V3gsP_EXWSopCHsopRU5EXLqYBnWU7ZP3Yw@mail.gmail.com>
>
>      ... which was updated by ...
>
>        <scorpion://zzo38computer.org/smallweb.txt>
>
>      ... but I currently cannot access Scorpion.  There was a copy of
>      it in a <comp.infosystem.*> group, but I forgot where I have the
>      bookmark.  :-(

Well, well, well, ... now that the caffeïne kicks in:

------------------------------------------------------------------------
$ printf 'R scorpion://zzo38computer.org/smallweb.txt\r\n' | nc zzo38computer.org 1517 | head -17
20 19126 text/plain
Here is a list of some other protocols and file formats. It is like the
"SMALL INTERNET PROTOCOL ROUNDUP" document posted to the mailing list for
Gemini previously, but with many differences.

This document is public domain. You are free to copy this document and to
make changes, e.g. to add things which are missing, change things that are
incorrect, make your own comments about any parts of it, etc. If you have
your own mirrors (possibly with your own changes) then you can tell me in
order that it may be added at the bottom of this document.

Simple explanations have been provided for some protocols. This is not the
full specification, but it should be good enough to access a few files,
such as the specification file (if it also uses that protocol).

Updated at: 2024-09-14

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