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| First post | 2012-03-31 10:32 -0700 |
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Mankind's centuries old Kraft's Inequality / Pigeonholes hurdles LawCounsels@aol.com - 2012-03-31 10:32 -0700
Re: Mankind's centuries old Kraft's Inequality / Pigeonholes hurdles Thomas Richter <thor@math.tu-berlin.de> - 2012-04-03 11:32 +0200
Re: Mankind's centuries old Kraft's Inequality / Pigeonholes hurdles James Dow Allen <jdallen2000@yahoo.com> - 2012-04-03 09:07 -0700
Re: Mankind's centuries old Kraft's Inequality / Pigeonholes hurdles LawCounsels@aol.com - 2012-04-06 01:24 -0700
Re: Mankind's centuries old Kraft's Inequality / Pigeonholes hurdles LawCounsels@aol.com - 2012-04-08 00:41 -0700
Re: Mankind's centuries old Kraft's Inequality / Pigeonholes hurdles James Dow Allen <jdallen2000@yahoo.com> - 2012-04-08 04:25 -0700
Re: Mankind's centuries old Kraft's Inequality / Pigeonholes hurdles lawcounsels@gmail.com - 2012-04-08 22:58 -0700
Re: Mankind's centuries old Kraft's Inequality / Pigeonholes hurdles James Dow Allen <jdallen2000@yahoo.com> - 2012-04-09 04:19 -0700
Re: Mankind's centuries old Kraft's Inequality / Pigeonholes hurdles biject <biject.bwts@gmail.com> - 2012-04-09 09:03 -0700
Re: Mankind's centuries old Kraft's Inequality / Pigeonholes hurdles LawCounsels@aol.com - 2012-04-10 02:29 -0700
Re: Mankind's centuries old Kraft's Inequality / Pigeonholes hurdles James Dow Allen <jdallen2000@yahoo.com> - 2012-04-10 05:43 -0700
Re: Mankind's centuries old Kraft's Inequality / Pigeonholes hurdles lawcounsels@gmail.com - 2012-04-10 06:39 -0700
Re: Mankind's centuries old Kraft's Inequality / Pigeonholes hurdles lawcounsels@gmail.com - 2012-04-10 06:51 -0700
Re: Mankind's centuries old Kraft's Inequality / Pigeonholes hurdles lawcounsels@gmail.com - 2012-04-10 07:29 -0700
I knew I was going to dislike New Google Groups! James Dow Allen <jdallen2000@yahoo.com> - 2012-04-10 09:03 -0700
Re: I knew I was going to dislike New Google Groups! LawCounsels <lawcounsels@gmail.com> - 2012-04-10 09:56 -0700
Re: I knew I was going to dislike New Google Groups! James Dow Allen <jdallen2000@yahoo.com> - 2012-04-10 10:34 -0700
Re: I knew I was going to dislike New Google Groups! lawcounsels@gmail.com - 2012-04-10 10:54 -0700
Re: I knew I was going to dislike New Google Groups! James Dow Allen <jdallen2000@yahoo.com> - 2012-04-11 13:16 -0700
Re: I knew I was going to dislike New Google Groups! LawCounsels <lawcounsels@gmail.com> - 2012-04-12 03:10 -0700
Re: I knew I was going to dislike New Google Groups! LawCounsels <lawcounsels@gmail.com> - 2012-04-12 03:57 -0700
Re: I knew I was going to dislike New Google Groups! biject <biject.bwts@gmail.com> - 2012-04-12 08:38 -0700
Re: I knew I was going to dislike New Google Groups! LawCounsels <lawcounsels@gmail.com> - 2012-04-13 02:34 -0700
Re: I knew I was going to dislike New Google Groups! Fibonacci Code <anglikai@gmail.com> - 2012-04-30 07:36 -0700
Re: I knew I was going to dislike New Google Groups! lawcounsels@gmail.com - 2012-04-30 08:34 -0700
Re: I knew I was going to dislike New Google Groups! Thomas Richter <thor@math.tu-berlin.de> - 2012-04-30 18:53 +0200
Re: I knew I was going to dislike New Google Groups! Fibonacci Code <anglikai@gmail.com> - 2012-04-30 09:58 -0700
Re: I knew I was going to dislike New Google Groups! lawcounsels@gmail.com - 2012-04-30 10:18 -0700
Re: Mankind's centuries old Kraft's Inequality / Pigeonholes hurdles LawCounsels@aol.com - 2012-04-10 05:58 -0700
Re: Mankind's centuries old Kraft's Inequality / Pigeonholes hurdles biject <biject.bwts@gmail.com> - 2012-04-10 07:26 -0700
Re: Mankind's centuries old Kraft's Inequality / Pigeonholes hurdles LawCounsels <lawcounsels@gmail.com> - 2012-04-10 08:10 -0700
Re: Mankind's centuries old Kraft's Inequality / Pigeonholes hurdles biject <biject.bwts@gmail.com> - 2012-04-10 11:02 -0700
Re: Mankind's centuries old Kraft's Inequality / Pigeonholes hurdles LawCounsels <lawcounsels@gmail.com> - 2012-04-11 02:43 -0700
Re: Mankind's centuries old Kraft's Inequality / Pigeonholes hurdles Thomas Richter <thor@math.tu-berlin.de> - 2012-04-11 02:47 +0200
Re: Mankind's centuries old Kraft's Inequality / Pigeonholes hurdles LawCounsels <lawcounsels@gmail.com> - 2012-04-11 02:56 -0700
Re: Mankind's centuries old Kraft's Inequality / Pigeonholes hurdles Thomas Richter <thor@math.tu-berlin.de> - 2012-04-11 16:26 +0200
Re: Mankind's centuries old Kraft's Inequality / Pigeonholes hurdles James Dow Allen <jdallen2000@yahoo.com> - 2012-04-11 07:36 -0700
Re: Mankind's centuries old Kraft's Inequality / Pigeonholes hurdles LawCounsels@aol.com - 2012-04-11 10:29 -0700
Re: Mankind's centuries old Kraft's Inequality / Pigeonholes hurdles Thomas Richter <thor@math.tu-berlin.de> - 2012-04-12 02:27 +0200
Re: Mankind's centuries old Kraft's Inequality / Pigeonholes hurdles LawCounsels <lawcounsels@gmail.com> - 2012-04-12 03:08 -0700
Re: Mankind's centuries old Kraft's Inequality / Pigeonholes hurdles LawCounsels <lawcounsels@gmail.com> - 2012-04-12 03:34 -0700
Re: Mankind's centuries old Kraft's Inequality / Pigeonholes hurdles Thomas Richter <thor@math.tu-berlin.de> - 2012-04-13 13:48 +0200
Re: Mankind's centuries old Kraft's Inequality / Pigeonholes hurdles James Dow Allen <jdallen2000@yahoo.com> - 2012-04-13 05:15 -0700
Re: Mankind's centuries old Kraft's Inequality / Pigeonholes hurdles lawcounsels@gmail.com - 2012-04-13 06:57 -0700
Re: Mankind's centuries old Kraft's Inequality / Pigeonholes hurdles lawcounsels@gmail.com - 2012-04-13 07:03 -0700
Re: Mankind's centuries old Kraft's Inequality / Pigeonholes hurdles lawcounsels@gmail.com - 2012-04-13 06:52 -0700
Re: Mankind's centuries old Kraft's Inequality / Pigeonholes hurdles Thomas Richter <thor@math.tu-berlin.de> - 2012-04-14 00:54 +0200
Re: Mankind's centuries old Kraft's Inequality / Pigeonholes hurdles LawCounsels <lawcounsels@gmail.com> - 2012-04-16 02:48 -0700
Re: Mankind's centuries old Kraft's Inequality / Pigeonholes hurdles Thomas Richter <thor@math.tu-berlin.de> - 2012-04-16 13:08 +0200
Re: Mankind's centuries old Kraft's Inequality / Pigeonholes hurdles lawcounsels@gmail.com - 2012-04-16 04:40 -0700
Re: Mankind's centuries old Kraft's Inequality / Pigeonholes hurdles James Dow Allen <jdallen2000@yahoo.com> - 2012-04-16 08:11 -0700
Re: Mankind's centuries old Kraft's Inequality / Pigeonholes hurdles Thomas Richter <thor@math.tu-berlin.de> - 2012-04-16 19:31 +0200
Re: Mankind's centuries old Kraft's Inequality / Pigeonholes hurdles James Dow Allen <jdallen2000@yahoo.com> - 2012-04-16 14:27 -0700
Re: Mankind's centuries old Kraft's Inequality / Pigeonholes hurdles LawCounsels <lawcounsels@gmail.com> - 2012-04-24 03:46 -0700
Re: Mankind's centuries old Kraft's Inequality / Pigeonholes hurdles Jim Leonard <mobygamer@gmail.com> - 2012-04-24 07:27 -0700
Re: Mankind's centuries old Kraft's Inequality / Pigeonholes hurdles Fibonacci Code <anglikai@gmail.com> - 2012-04-28 09:55 -0700
Re: Mankind's centuries old Kraft's Inequality / Pigeonholes hurdles LawCounsels <lawcounsels@gmail.com> - 2012-04-16 02:34 -0700
Re: Mankind's centuries old Kraft's Inequality / Pigeonholes hurdles LawCounsels@aol.com - 2012-04-04 00:35 -0700
Re: Mankind's centuries old Kraft's Inequality / Pigeonholes hurdles LawCounsels@aol.com - 2012-04-04 00:38 -0700
Re: Mankind's centuries old Kraft's Inequality / Pigeonholes hurdles LawCounsels@aol.com - 2012-04-04 04:06 -0700
Re: Mankind's centuries old Kraft's Inequality / Pigeonholes hurdles Ernst <Ernst_Berg@sbcglobal.net> - 2012-04-06 19:48 -0700
Re: Mankind's centuries old Kraft's Inequality / Pigeonholes hurdles LawCounsels@aol.com - 2012-04-07 02:28 -0700
Re: Mankind's centuries old Kraft's Inequality / Pigeonholes hurdles lawcounsels@gmail.com - 2012-04-07 03:22 -0700
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| From | Ernst <Ernst_Berg@sbcglobal.net> |
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| Date | 2012-04-06 19:48 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <93143ec3-0d08-4d04-b6b1-c6d07ee8b941@h10g2000pbi.googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #1201 |
On Mar 31, 10:32 am, LawCouns...@aol.com wrote: > Mankind's centuries old Kraft's Inequality / Pigeonholes hurdles now comes to this : > > http://groups.google.com/group/comp.compression/browse_thread/thread/... > > can each of these many 'start'/ 'end' sequences ( each consists of ternary > symbols a b c only condition here is total# of c ALWAYS exact = total# b + 2 & > this occurs only at EOSequence , ie at any stage IF progressive total# > c becomes = progressive # b + 2 then a sequence ends .... total# a unrestricted , but usually around same as total# b BUT this is irrelevant ) be better represented encoded 'shorter'.... take care the encoded bitstring MUST be self-delimiting meaning unambiguous as to where the encoded bitsstring ends ( subsequent follows / merged with other bits , needs able distinguish this boundary from the encoded bitstring itself ) > > The entropy of all these many 'start'/'end' sequences together with > total N symbols ( total # a + total # b + total # c = N , which is N * 1.5 binary bits ) already OBVIOUS smaller than N * 1.5 binary bits > > REWARDS for 1st person put forth a practical solution , and REWARDS also for the best practical solution put forth > > Look Forward , > LawCounsels How interesting.. I work with self delimited strings. As for encoding long with shorter? Not a chance. One to One, yes but, not One to less than One from all I know. Still it's interesting to actually see pattern matching happening. That is the basis of my pattern matching exercises I'm working on. Now this is a dictionary effort and a fill the array with some pattern type of effort. Be it Pi sequence or other. If you are interested in what you say perhaps the Cyclic Codes are what you want to read about. Perhaps you will find an algebraic system just to your liking. Good luck!
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| From | LawCounsels@aol.com |
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| Date | 2012-04-07 02:28 -0700 |
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On Saturday, March 31, 2012 6:32:32 PM UTC+1, LawCo...@aol.com wrote: > Mankind's centuries old Kraft's Inequality / Pigeonholes hurdles now comes to this : > > http://groups.google.com/group/comp.compression/browse_thread/thread/c3b4127eab5f7a0e?hl=en# > > can each of these many 'start'/ 'end' sequences ( each consists of ternary > symbols a b c only condition here is total# of c ALWAYS exact = total# b + 2 & > this occurs only at EOSequence , ie at any stage IF progressive total# > c becomes = progressive # b + 2 then a sequence ends .... total# a unrestricted , but usually around same as total# b BUT this is irrelevant ) be better represented encoded 'shorter'.... take care the encoded bitstring MUST be self-delimiting meaning unambiguous as to where the encoded bitsstring ends ( subsequent follows / merged with other bits , needs able distinguish this boundary from the encoded bitstring itself ) > > The entropy of all these many 'start'/'end' sequences together with > total N symbols ( total # a + total # b + total # c = N , which is N * 1.5 binary bits ) already OBVIOUS smaller than N * 1.5 binary bits > > REWARDS for 1st person put forth a practical solution , and REWARDS also for the best practical solution put forth > > Look Forward , > LawCounsels This topic is very different 'SPECIFIC' now clear capable of scientific investigation methods clear conclusion , for the very 1ST TIME EVER this came to be possible to be so very clear 'framed' , also for very 1ST TIME EVER 'random' bits has been transformed into non-random clear 'structured' output sub-sequence with distributions bias ) : . can the specified symbols sequences ( definite NOT random shows distributions bias and clear structured ) be encoded more economic ? IF SO , HOW ?
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| From | lawcounsels@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2012-04-07 03:22 -0700 |
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| In reply to | #1210 |
On Saturday, April 7, 2012 10:28:42 AM UTC+1, LawCo...@aol.com wrote: > On Saturday, March 31, 2012 6:32:32 PM UTC+1, LawCo...@aol.com wrote: > > Mankind's centuries old Kraft's Inequality / Pigeonholes hurdles now comes to this : > > > > http://groups.google.com/group/comp.compression/browse_thread/thread/c3b4127eab5f7a0e?hl=en# > > > > can each of these many 'start'/ 'end' sequences ( each consists of ternary > > symbols a b c only condition here is total# of c ALWAYS exact = total# b + 2 & > > this occurs only at EOSequence , ie at any stage IF progressive total# > > c becomes = progressive # b + 2 then a sequence ends .... total# a unrestricted , but usually around same as total# b BUT this is irrelevant ) be better represented encoded 'shorter'.... take care the encoded bitstring MUST be self-delimiting meaning unambiguous as to where the encoded bitsstring ends ( subsequent follows / merged with other bits , needs able distinguish this boundary from the encoded bitstring itself ) > > > > The entropy of all these many 'start'/'end' sequences together with > > total N symbols ( total # a + total # b + total # c = N , which is N * 1.5 binary bits ) already OBVIOUS smaller than N * 1.5 binary bits > > > > REWARDS for 1st person put forth a practical solution , and REWARDS also for the best practical solution put forth > > > > Look Forward , > > LawCounsels > > This topic is very different 'SPECIFIC' now clear capable of scientific investigation methods clear conclusion , for the very 1ST TIME EVER this came to be possible to be so very clear 'framed' , also for very 1ST TIME EVER 'random' bits has been transformed into non-random clear 'structured' output sub-sequence with distributions bias ) : > > . can the specified symbols sequences ( definite NOT random shows distributions bias and clear structured ) be encoded more economic ? IF SO , HOW ? ....... for VERY 1ST TIME EVER 'random' bits has been transformed into non-random clear 'structured' output sub-sequence with distributions bias [ unlike Mark Nelson AMillionRandomDigits complete devoid of any discernible structures whatsoever ]
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