Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data

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From	stan <smoore@exis.net>
Subject	Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data
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Ernst wrote:
> On Feb 1, 5:24 am, stan <smo...@exis.net> wrote:

>> On a side note, I don't think you really understand that many of the
>> top compression people have been known to pop in from time to time and
>> some of the people you are sparring with are at the top of the food
>> chain in the compression world. The knowledge and experience available
>> here is an amazing resource. My grandma always told me to be careful
>> of the bridges you burn; I think that's sound advice.
>>
>> >  You say you have family that is good.. Savor the days because they
>> > grow up so fast.
>>
>> My grandchildren are nearly grown.
>
> So if you had to pick Professional Science or Common person you would
> say you are a "Smarted Okie on the bus?"  I'd say so.

I don't agree with your classification scheme; I don't see the world
that way. FWIW I'm a professional Engineer, but that doesn't really
matter. I'm curious about the world around me and the questions,
answers, and ideas come from everywhere. I don't get wrapped up in the
source of an idea, I'm interested if it works.

> So where do you and I stand?  Are you just hoping for some action?

I don't know you and I think your ideas are flawed in that they fall
into well known traps. I've seen many people come and complain that
their ideas are not respected. The reality is that not every idea is
created equal. 

If I were to hang out with a bunch of welders and I tried to explain
that welding was really just gluing two pieces of metal together, my
idea wouldn't be treated as equally valid as the idea that you
actually result in a single piece of metal instead of two pieces being
held together by some substance. Some ideas are provably wrong.

In welding there are a lot of variables, factors, and operations
involved and the situation is very complex. In math things are
considerably different. You start with a number of things
(eg. numbers) and a finite number of well defined operations that can
be performed and the universe is much more limited. These constraints
or limits allow one to know everything about some things. Unless you
create a new number or add a new operation you can prove results.

I'm not saying math isn't complex, I'm saying we know pretty well
where those dark areas are and we also know where the well lit areas
are too. People who post claims that they have found an exception to
the proven rules must demonstrate their exception and the
Professionals will then take the new information into account and
gladly give credit to the finder, regardless of race, sex, creed,
training or shoe size. 

On the other hand people who show up and make claims that they have
found an exception but refuse to talk about it will be called time
wasting cons. People who claims the rules are wrong or incomplete
without some real good reasons why the world should adopt new rules
will be called other names. People who are unaware of the rules and
claim the rules don't apply or don't matter will be treated about the
same as a guy who walks into a welders meeting and claims he can weld
stainless steel with a match and a paperclip. 

It's the merit of the ideas not the person that matters.

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Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Ernst <Ernst_Berg@sbcglobal.net> - 2012-01-24 09:46 -0800
  Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Earl_Colby_Pottinger <earlcolby.pottinger@sympatico.ca> - 2012-01-24 13:03 -0800
    Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Ernst <Ernst_Berg@sbcglobal.net> - 2012-01-24 14:52 -0800
      Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data jacko <jackokring@gmail.com> - 2012-01-24 15:25 -0800
        Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Ernst <Ernst_Berg@sbcglobal.net> - 2012-01-24 16:49 -0800
          Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Earl_Colby_Pottinger <earlcolby.pottinger@sympatico.ca> - 2012-01-24 18:55 -0800
            Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data jacko <jackokring@gmail.com> - 2012-01-24 19:23 -0800
              Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Ernst <Ernst_Berg@sbcglobal.net> - 2012-01-24 21:08 -0800
            Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Ernst <Ernst_Berg@sbcglobal.net> - 2012-01-24 20:50 -0800
  Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2012-01-25 00:09 -0600
    Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Ernst <Ernst_Berg@sbcglobal.net> - 2012-01-24 23:51 -0800
      Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2012-01-25 02:28 -0600
        Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Ernst <Ernst_Berg@sbcglobal.net> - 2012-01-25 02:54 -0800
        Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Ernst <Ernst_Berg@sbcglobal.net> - 2012-01-25 03:08 -0800
      Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Ernst <Ernst_Berg@sbcglobal.net> - 2012-01-24 23:58 -0800
    Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Ernst <Ernst_Berg@sbcglobal.net> - 2012-01-25 00:08 -0800
    Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Ernst <Ernst_Berg@sbcglobal.net> - 2012-01-25 02:40 -0800
      Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2012-01-25 05:25 -0600
        Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Ernst <Ernst_Berg@sbcglobal.net> - 2012-01-25 05:20 -0800
        Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Ernst <Ernst_Berg@sbcglobal.net> - 2012-01-25 12:12 -0800
          Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Earl_Colby_Pottinger <earlcolby.pottinger@sympatico.ca> - 2012-01-25 13:32 -0800
            Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data James Dow Allen <jdallen2000@yahoo.com> - 2012-01-25 14:33 -0800
              Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2012-01-25 17:43 -0600
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Ernst <Ernst_Berg@sbcglobal.net> - 2012-01-25 19:00 -0800
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Earl_Colby_Pottinger <earlcolby.pottinger@sympatico.ca> - 2012-01-26 07:17 -0800
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data David Thompson <dave.thompson2@verizon.net> - 2012-02-08 06:06 -0500
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Earl_Colby_Pottinger <earlcolby.pottinger@sympatico.ca> - 2012-02-08 07:30 -0800
            Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Ernst <Ernst_Berg@sbcglobal.net> - 2012-01-25 15:19 -0800
  Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Ernst <Ernst_Berg@sbcglobal.net> - 2012-01-26 02:20 -0800
    Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Earl_Colby_Pottinger <earlcolby.pottinger@sympatico.ca> - 2012-01-26 07:25 -0800
      Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Ernst <Ernst_Berg@sbcglobal.net> - 2012-01-26 18:52 -0800
        Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Thomas Richter <thor@math.tu-berlin.de> - 2012-01-27 09:25 +0100
          Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Ernst <Ernst_Berg@sbcglobal.net> - 2012-01-27 12:01 -0800
          Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Ernst <Ernst_Berg@sbcglobal.net> - 2012-01-27 12:12 -0800
            Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Ernst <Ernst_Berg@sbcglobal.net> - 2012-01-27 16:13 -0800
              Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Thomas Richter <thor@math.tu-berlin.de> - 2012-01-28 11:22 +0100
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Ernst <Ernst_Berg@sbcglobal.net> - 2012-01-28 13:59 -0800
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Thomas Richter <thor@math.tu-berlin.de> - 2012-01-30 09:49 +0100
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data stan <smoore@exis.net> - 2012-01-30 08:51 -0500
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Ernst <Ernst_Berg@sbcglobal.net> - 2012-01-30 08:51 -0800
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Ernst <Ernst_Berg@sbcglobal.net> - 2012-01-30 08:38 -0800
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data stan <smoore@exis.net> - 2012-01-30 18:44 -0500
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Ernst <Ernst_Berg@sbcglobal.net> - 2012-01-30 15:49 -0800
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Ernst <Ernst_Berg@sbcglobal.net> - 2012-01-30 16:27 -0800
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Thomas Richter <thor@math.tu-berlin.de> - 2012-01-31 08:46 +0100
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Ernst <Ernst_Berg@sbcglobal.net> - 2012-01-31 03:58 -0800
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Thomas Richter <thor@math.tu-berlin.de> - 2012-01-31 21:58 +0100
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data stan <smoore@exis.net> - 2012-01-31 07:41 -0500
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Ernst <Ernst_Berg@sbcglobal.net> - 2012-01-31 15:27 -0800
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Ernst <Ernst_Berg@sbcglobal.net> - 2012-01-31 16:06 -0800
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data stan <smoore@exis.net> - 2012-02-01 07:47 -0500
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Ernst <Ernst_Berg@sbcglobal.net> - 2012-02-01 09:38 -0800
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data "George Johnson" <matrix29@charter.net> - 2012-02-02 08:10 -0500
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Ernst <Ernst_Berg@sbcglobal.net> - 2012-02-01 20:22 -0800
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data stan <smoore@exis.net> - 2012-02-02 06:31 -0500
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Ernst <Ernst_Berg@sbcglobal.net> - 2012-02-02 14:15 -0800
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Ernst <Ernst_Berg@sbcglobal.net> - 2012-02-02 19:18 -0800
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data "George Johnson" <matrix29@charter.net> - 2012-02-07 06:21 -0500
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data stan <smoore@exis.net> - 2012-01-31 19:06 -0500
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Ernst <Ernst_Berg@sbcglobal.net> - 2012-01-31 19:15 -0800
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data stan <smoore@exis.net> - 2012-02-01 08:24 -0500
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Ernst <Ernst_Berg@sbcglobal.net> - 2012-02-01 09:54 -0800
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Jim Leonard <mobygamer@gmail.com> - 2012-02-01 11:00 -0800
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Ernst <Ernst_Berg@sbcglobal.net> - 2012-02-01 21:19 -0800
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Jim Leonard <mobygamer@gmail.com> - 2012-02-02 07:15 -0800
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Ernst <Ernst_Berg@sbcglobal.net> - 2012-02-01 20:25 -0800
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data stan <smoore@exis.net> - 2012-02-02 07:07 -0500
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Ernst <Ernst_Berg@sbcglobal.net> - 2012-02-02 19:35 -0800
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data "George Johnson" <matrix29@charter.net> - 2012-02-07 06:33 -0500
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Ernst <Ernst_Berg@sbcglobal.net> - 2012-01-31 18:51 -0800
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Sebastian <s.gesemann@gmail.com> - 2012-02-01 03:51 -0800
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Ernst <Ernst_Berg@sbcglobal.net> - 2012-02-01 09:34 -0800
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data stan <smoore@exis.net> - 2012-02-01 08:53 -0500
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Ernst <Ernst_Berg@sbcglobal.net> - 2012-02-01 20:31 -0800
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data stan <smoore@exis.net> - 2012-02-02 07:18 -0500
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Ernst <Ernst_Berg@sbcglobal.net> - 2012-01-30 16:47 -0800
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Ernst <Ernst_Berg@sbcglobal.net> - 2012-01-30 17:00 -0800
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Ernst <Ernst_Berg@sbcglobal.net> - 2012-01-30 18:55 -0800
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data stan <smoore@exis.net> - 2012-01-31 08:10 -0500
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Earl_Colby_Pottinger <earlcolby.pottinger@sympatico.ca> - 2012-01-31 11:31 -0800
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Noob <root@127.0.0.1> - 2012-02-02 11:11 +0100
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Ernst <Ernst_Berg@sbcglobal.net> - 2012-02-02 14:05 -0800
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data stan <smoore@exis.net> - 2012-02-08 13:35 -0500
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Noob <root@127.0.0.1> - 2012-02-02 11:24 +0100
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Noob <root@127.0.0.1> - 2012-02-02 12:52 +0100
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Ernst <Ernst_Berg@sbcglobal.net> - 2012-02-02 14:06 -0800
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Sebastian <s.gesemann@gmail.com> - 2012-01-30 07:09 -0800
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Ernst <Ernst_Berg@sbcglobal.net> - 2012-01-30 07:45 -0800
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Sebastian <s.gesemann@gmail.com> - 2012-01-30 09:42 -0800
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Ernst <Ernst_Berg@sbcglobal.net> - 2012-01-30 10:19 -0800
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Ernst <Ernst_Berg@sbcglobal.net> - 2012-01-30 12:05 -0800
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Jim Leonard <mobygamer@gmail.com> - 2012-01-30 14:40 -0800
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Ernst <Ernst_Berg@sbcglobal.net> - 2012-01-30 15:11 -0800
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Ernst <Ernst_Berg@sbcglobal.net> - 2012-01-30 15:43 -0800
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Ernst <Ernst_Berg@sbcglobal.net> - 2012-01-30 14:52 -0800
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Sebastian <s.gesemann@gmail.com> - 2012-01-31 04:31 -0800
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Ernst <Ernst_Berg@sbcglobal.net> - 2012-01-31 14:21 -0800
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data pfraser <pete_fraser@comcast.net> - 2012-01-31 15:04 -0800
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Noob <root@127.0.0.1> - 2012-02-01 10:50 +0100
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Ernst <Ernst_Berg@sbcglobal.net> - 2012-02-01 20:19 -0800
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data jacko <jackokring@gmail.com> - 2012-02-02 00:51 -0800
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Thomas Richter <thor@math.tu-berlin.de> - 2012-02-02 10:09 +0100
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data jacko <jackokring@gmail.com> - 2012-02-02 11:43 -0800
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Sebastian <s.gesemann@gmail.com> - 2012-02-03 01:21 -0800
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Sebastian <s.gesemann@gmail.com> - 2012-02-03 02:43 -0800
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Ernst <Ernst_Berg@sbcglobal.net> - 2012-02-04 15:42 -0800
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Ernst <Ernst_Berg@sbcglobal.net> - 2012-02-02 13:53 -0800
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data stan <smoore@exis.net> - 2012-02-08 13:32 -0500
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Sebastian <s.gesemann@gmail.com> - 2012-02-02 01:56 -0800
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Ernst <Ernst_Berg@sbcglobal.net> - 2012-02-02 13:54 -0800
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Ernst <Ernst_Berg@sbcglobal.net> - 2012-02-02 12:59 -0800
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Ernst <Ernst_Berg@sbcglobal.net> - 2012-02-02 12:47 -0800
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Ernst <Ernst_Berg@sbcglobal.net> - 2012-02-02 23:54 -0800
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data stan <smoore@exis.net> - 2012-02-08 13:22 -0500
                Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Earl_Colby_Pottinger <earlcolby.pottinger@sympatico.ca> - 2012-02-04 20:45 -0800
          Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data Noob <root@127.0.0.1> - 2012-01-30 15:32 +0100
  Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data "George Johnson" <matrix29@charter.net> - 2012-02-02 06:34 -0500
  Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data "George Johnson" <matrix29@charter.net> - 2012-02-02 07:29 -0500
  Re: Modulus, Factoring and Compressing random data "George Johnson" <matrix29@charter.net> - 2012-02-02 07:46 -0500

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