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Re: 8-bit processor specific techniques

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On Monday, 28 September 2015 20:26:51 UTC+1, Walter Banks  wrote:

> > [There are plenty of compilers for 8 bit machines, particulary at
> > retrocomputing sites, but I don't recall a lot of interesting code
> > generation stuff.  They tend to have so few registers and be so
> > irregular that little of the optimization stuff intended for code
> > generation applies. -John]
>
> John, you actually have identified the source for a lot of code
> generation technology used in 8 bit compilers. There is a wealth of
> material in some of the compilers that is used to map processors with
> unusual instruction sets on to C.

I'll have to take a look at these compilers.

> Unfortunately most of this material has never been published and
> hasn't been the focus of research projects. The techniques used mostly
> show up in application specific ISA's. This is the type of processor
> whose applications tend not to be hosted and are small enough that
> compilers can be exhaustive and often have tight execution
> requirements.

All the documented stuff is targetting 32+ bit arches.

> A couple starting places for this type of compiler. Once parsed
> implement a strategy pass to map out application implementation
> approachs this time. Seriously consider dispensing with linkers for
> this type of compiler, their original purpose was to allow separately
> compiled modules and combine them later, in this type of compiler
> cross compiling a whole application is both possible and appropriate.
>
> w..
> [Agreed about the linker bit.  These days, in the tool sets for
> embedded processors the object files that the compilers create are
> really just an intermediate code, and the linker does a global
> optimization pass over the whole program and only then generates
> the machine code. -John]

I intend for the project to have multiple back-ends, using LLVM as one (to
start and for access to Apple OSes) and a full Ada one. I'm not sure about
just producing a final binary for 8-bit targets as there will be a system rts
library for each target and that needs to be linked. Yes, it could be just
built straight in memory. I'd have to look at it.
[Re linker, the library is just a library of intermediate code.  Pull in
the parts you need, optimize and generate the code for the whole program.
A little googlage suggests that there is or was an 8-bit back end for
Gnu GNAT, although it's hard to tell in what state it is. -John]

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8-bit processor specific techniques "lucretia9@lycos.co.uk" <laguest9000@googlemail.com> - 2015-09-27 07:30 -0700
  Re: 8-bit processor specific techniques for Ada Luke A. Guest <laguest@archeia.com> - 2015-09-27 23:04 +0100
  Re: 8-bit processor specific techniques BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-09-27 17:34 -0500
  Re: 8-bit processor specific techniques Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-09-28 11:04 -0400
    Re: 8-bit processor specific techniques "lucretia9@lycos.co.uk" <laguest9000@googlemail.com> - 2015-09-29 10:55 -0700
      Re: 8-bit processor specific techniques BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-09-29 20:06 -0500

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