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Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem!

Started byQuadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca>
First post2011-08-23 10:48 -0700
Last post2011-08-29 09:18 -0700
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  Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-08-23 10:48 -0700
    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-08-23 16:24 -0700
      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Terje Mathisen <"terje.mathisen at tmsw.no"> - 2011-08-24 07:20 +0200
        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-08-23 23:22 -0700
    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-08-24 14:38 -0700
      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-08-25 17:42 -0700
        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-08-27 09:45 -0700
          Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-08-27 18:03 -0700
    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Brett Davis <ggtgp@yahoo.com> - 2011-08-26 20:31 -0500
      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-08-26 20:08 -0700
      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-08-27 02:35 -0700
        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Brett Davis <ggtgp@yahoo.com> - 2011-08-27 15:27 -0500
          Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-08-27 13:41 -0700
            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Brett Davis <ggtgp@yahoo.com> - 2011-08-27 17:34 -0500
              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-08-27 17:40 -0700
              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-08-27 17:50 -0700
              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-08-28 23:49 -0700
            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-08-27 22:40 -0700
      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Andy \"Krazy\" Glew" <andy@SPAM.comp-arch.net> - 2011-08-28 19:33 -0700
        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Terje Mathisen <"terje.mathisen at tmsw.no"> - 2011-08-29 13:56 +0200
          Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Andy \"Krazy\" Glew" <andy@SPAM.comp-arch.net> - 2011-08-29 09:07 -0700
            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-08-29 17:56 +0100
              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Andy \"Krazy\" Glew" <andy@SPAM.comp-arch.net> - 2011-08-29 11:56 -0700
                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2011-08-29 16:12 -0400
                  Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-08-29 20:46 +0100
                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Kalle Olavi Niemitalo <kon@iki.fi> - 2011-08-30 07:48 +0300
                      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-08-30 08:22 +0100
                      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-08-31 11:34 -0700
                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Andy \"Krazy\" Glew" <andy@SPAM.comp-arch.net> - 2011-08-29 22:22 -0700
                  Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Andrew Reilly <areilly---@bigpond.net.au> - 2011-08-30 11:17 +0000
                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-08-30 12:35 +0100
                      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-08-30 07:02 -0700
                        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-08-30 15:18 +0100
                          Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-08-30 15:12 -0700
                            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-08-31 08:30 +0100
                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-09-01 09:54 -0700
                                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-09-01 10:09 -0700
                                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-01 18:01 +0100
                                  Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-09-01 12:25 -0700
                                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! sidd <sidd@situ.com> - 2011-09-01 20:02 -0400
                                  Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Elliott Roper <nospam@yrl.co.uk> - 2011-09-02 10:27 +0100
                                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-02 11:33 +0100
                                      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-09-02 08:09 -0700
                                        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-09-02 08:12 -0700
                                        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-02 15:50 +0100
                                          Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-09-02 08:49 -0700
                                            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-02 17:00 +0100
                                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-09-02 15:55 -0700
                                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-09-03 18:06 -0700
                                      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-09-02 07:58 -0700
                                        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-02 15:56 +0100
                                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-09-02 07:42 -0700
                                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Andreas Eder <andreas_eder@gmx.net> - 2011-09-02 17:51 +0200
                            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! sidd <sidd@situ.com> - 2011-08-31 12:11 -0400
                          Complex Number Representation nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-02 21:22 +0100
                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Andy \"Krazy\" Glew" <andy@SPAM.comp-arch.net> - 2011-08-30 07:08 -0700
                      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Terje Mathisen <"terje.mathisen at tmsw.no"> - 2011-08-31 10:39 +0200
                        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Andy \"Krazy\" Glew" <andy@SPAM.comp-arch.net> - 2011-08-31 08:00 -0700
                          Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Terje Mathisen <"terje.mathisen at tmsw.no"> - 2011-08-31 18:38 +0200
                            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2011-08-31 13:18 -0400
                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Andy \"Krazy\" Glew" <andy@SPAM.comp-arch.net> - 2011-08-31 19:09 -0700
              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Brett Davis <ggtgp@yahoo.com> - 2011-08-30 00:19 -0500
                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Brett Davis <ggtgp@yahoo.com> - 2011-08-31 23:46 -0500
                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-08-31 09:56 -0700
                  Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Terje Mathisen <"terje.mathisen at tmsw.no"> - 2011-09-01 08:23 +0200
                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-08-31 14:02 -0700
                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-09-01 04:02 -0700
                      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Terje Mathisen <"terje.mathisen at tmsw.no"> - 2011-09-01 19:42 +0200
                      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-08-31 23:20 -0700
                      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "James Van Buskirk" <not_valid@comcast.net> - 2011-09-12 15:53 -0600
                        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-12 22:31 +0100
                          Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-12 22:56 +0100
                            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2011-09-12 21:00 -0400
                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-13 10:10 +0100
                        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Terje Mathisen <"terje.mathisen at tmsw.no"> - 2011-09-13 04:58 +0200
                  Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2011-09-01 07:25 -0400
                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Tim Shoppa <shoppa@trailing-edge.com> - 2011-09-01 10:37 -0700
                      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-01 18:25 +0100
                        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Bill Findlay <yaldnif.w@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2011-09-01 19:56 +0100
                        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-09-01 12:30 -0700
                          Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-09-01 12:38 -0700
                          Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2011-09-01 17:13 -0400
                            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Patrick Scheible <kkt@zipcon.net> - 2011-09-01 14:48 -0700
                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-01 22:49 +0100
                            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2011-09-01 18:08 -0500
                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2011-09-02 00:26 -0800
                                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Andy \"Krazy\" Glew" <andy@SPAM.comp-arch.net> - 2011-09-02 05:06 -0700
                                  Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2011-09-02 10:46 -0500
                                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Stephen Fuld <SFuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2011-09-02 12:08 -0700
                                      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Patrick Scheible <kkt@zipcon.net> - 2011-09-02 13:54 -0700
                                        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2011-09-03 14:57 +0000
                                          Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-03 15:33 +0100
                                            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-09-03 13:42 -0700
                                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2011-09-04 08:46 +1000
                                                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2011-09-04 08:05 +0100
                                                  Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2011-09-04 17:44 +1000
                                                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2011-09-04 08:56 +0100
                                                      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2011-09-04 18:52 +1000
                                                      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-09-04 08:55 -0700
                                                        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-04 16:46 +0100
                                            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2011-09-04 13:21 +0000
                                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-04 14:03 +0100
                                                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2011-09-04 14:15 -0400
                                                  Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-04 18:52 +0100
                                                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2011-09-04 15:00 -0400
                                                      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-04 21:02 +0100
                                                        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2011-09-04 19:22 -0400
                                                          Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-05 07:09 +0100
                                                  Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2011-09-05 04:48 +1000
                                                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2011-09-04 20:18 -0400
                                          Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2011-09-04 03:53 +1000
                                            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2011-09-04 13:21 +0000
                                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2011-09-05 03:57 +1000
                                            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-09-04 08:47 -0700
                                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2011-09-05 04:03 +1000
                                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2011-09-04 14:30 -0400
                                                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2011-09-05 04:49 +1000
                                                  Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-09-04 15:53 -0700
                                                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2011-09-05 09:55 +1000
                                                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Piotr Wyderski <peter.pan@neverland.mil> - 2011-10-19 19:17 +0200
                                                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2011-09-04 19:54 +0100
                                                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-04 20:56 +0100
                                                  Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2011-09-04 19:16 -0400
                                                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-09-04 16:26 -0700
                                                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Morten Reistad <first@last.name> - 2011-09-05 13:45 +0200
                                                      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Bakul Shah <usenet@bitblocks.com> - 2011-09-05 12:09 -0700
                                                        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-05 20:51 +0100
                                                          Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Morten Reistad <first@last.name> - 2011-09-06 10:57 +0200
                                                            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2011-09-06 19:43 +1000
                                                        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Morten Reistad <first@last.name> - 2011-09-06 10:55 +0200
                                                        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2011-09-06 11:36 +0100
                                                      OT English Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! wclodius@lost-alamos.pet (William Clodius) - 2011-09-05 13:33 -0600
                                                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Patrick Scheible <kkt@zipcon.net> - 2011-09-05 23:12 -0700
                                                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2011-09-07 09:44 -0800
                                          Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2011-09-03 13:41 -0500
                                            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2011-09-03 21:36 +0000
                                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2011-09-03 20:18 -0500
                                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2011-09-04 08:31 -0400
                                                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-04 13:11 +0100
                                                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2011-09-05 17:14 +0000
                                            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2011-09-07 09:07 +0000
                                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2011-09-07 12:15 +0100
                                                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2011-09-07 08:37 -0400
                                                  Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2011-09-07 13:50 +0100
                                                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2011-09-07 09:21 -0400
                                                      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Bernd Felsche <berfel@innovative.iinet.net.au> - 2011-09-08 08:42 +0800
                                                        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2011-09-08 14:10 +0000
                                                        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-09-08 19:09 -0700
                                          Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Patrick Scheible <kkt@zipcon.net> - 2011-09-05 22:50 -0700
                                            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2011-09-06 13:45 +0000
                                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Patrick Scheible <kkt@zipcon.net> - 2011-09-06 09:08 -0700
                                                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2011-09-07 14:13 +0000
                                                  Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Patrick Scheible <kkt@zipcon.net> - 2011-09-07 09:42 -0700
                                                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Bernd Felsche <berfel@innovative.iinet.net.au> - 2011-09-08 09:05 +0800
                                                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2011-09-08 14:10 +0000
                                                  Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2011-09-08 04:49 +1000
                                                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2011-09-08 14:09 +0000
                                                      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2011-09-09 03:17 +1000
                                                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2011-09-10 23:07 -0700
                                                  Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2011-09-11 09:06 +0100
                                                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-11 10:07 +0100
                                                      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-09-11 06:48 -0700
                                                  Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2011-09-11 08:26 -0400
                                                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-11 13:00 +0100
                                                  Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Patrick Scheible <kkt@zipcon.net> - 2011-09-11 07:36 -0700
                                          Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Piotr Wyderski <peter.pan@neverland.mil> - 2011-10-19 19:15 +0200
                                            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Patrick Scheible <kkt@zipcon.net> - 2011-10-19 14:45 -0700
                                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2011-10-19 17:13 -0800
                                            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2011-10-20 13:38 +0000
                                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2011-10-27 09:01 +0000
                                      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2011-09-02 20:41 -0400
                                        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2011-09-03 06:58 +0100
                                        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-03 07:19 +0100
                                      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Bakul Shah <usenet@bitblocks.com> - 2011-09-02 21:54 -0700
                                        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Stephen Fuld <SFuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2011-09-03 09:05 -0700
                                          Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-03 16:42 +0100
                                            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2011-09-03 21:00 +0000
                                          Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Bakul Shah <usenet@bitblocks.com> - 2011-09-03 11:01 -0700
                                            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-03 19:18 +0100
                                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Bakul Shah <usenet@bitblocks.com> - 2011-09-03 13:05 -0700
                                                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-04 08:09 +0100
                                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2011-09-03 21:34 +0000
                                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Jean-Marc Bourguet <jm@bourguet.org> - 2011-09-04 22:15 +0200
                                                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-04 21:07 +0100
                                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2011-09-02 20:21 -0400
                                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Tim Shoppa <shoppa@trailing-edge.com> - 2011-09-06 09:32 -0700
                                      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2011-09-07 09:09 +0000
                                        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-09-07 07:17 -0700
                                          Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2011-09-07 16:00 +0100
                                            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Bill Findlay <yaldnif.w@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2011-09-07 16:40 +0100
                                            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-09-07 09:57 -0700
                                          Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Patrick Scheible <kkt@zipcon.net> - 2011-09-07 09:39 -0700
                                          Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Morten Reistad <first@last.name> - 2011-09-07 20:47 +0200
                                            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2011-09-08 14:09 +0000
                                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Stephen Fuld <SFuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2011-09-08 09:13 -0700
                                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Morten Reistad <first@last.name> - 2011-09-08 18:59 +0200
                                                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2011-09-09 15:21 +0000
                                            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-09-09 12:48 -0700
                                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2011-09-10 06:27 +1000
                                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Morten Reistad <first@last.name> - 2011-09-09 23:04 +0200
                                          Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Bernd Felsche <berfel@innovative.iinet.net.au> - 2011-09-08 08:57 +0800
                                            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2011-09-08 14:10 +0000
                                            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2011-09-08 07:50 -0800
                                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2011-09-08 12:07 -0400
                                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2011-09-08 12:10 -0400
                                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2011-09-08 17:38 +0100
                                                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Seebs <usenet-nospam@seebs.net> - 2011-09-09 03:43 +0000
                                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2011-09-08 12:21 -0500
                        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2011-09-01 17:09 -0400
                          Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2011-09-02 08:59 +1000
                            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2011-09-07 09:07 +0000
                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2011-09-07 20:03 +1000
                                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2011-09-08 16:55 +0000
                                  Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2011-09-09 03:52 +1000
                                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2011-10-01 15:57 +0000
                                      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2011-10-02 05:51 +1100
                                        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2011-10-07 11:31 +0000
                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Morten Reistad <first@last.name> - 2011-09-07 14:08 +0200
                                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2011-09-07 14:18 +0100
                                  Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2011-09-07 14:05 +0000
                                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Morten Reistad <first@last.name> - 2011-09-07 20:54 +0200
                                      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2011-09-08 05:27 +1000
                                      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! timcaffrey@aol.com (Tim McCaffrey) - 2011-09-16 18:48 +0000
                                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! sidd <sidd@situ.com> - 2011-09-07 18:53 -0400
                                  Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2011-09-08 04:37 +1000
                                  Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Terje Mathisen <"terje.mathisen at tmsw.no"> - 2011-09-08 10:19 +0200
                                  Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! kenney@cix.compulink.co.uk - 2011-09-08 05:14 -0500
                                  Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2011-09-11 12:58 -0700
                                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2011-09-12 10:01 +0100
                                      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2011-09-12 19:35 +1000
                                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Patrick Scheible <kkt@zipcon.net> - 2011-09-12 09:25 -0700
                                      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2011-09-12 13:27 -0400
                                        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Ben Pfaff <blp@cs.stanford.edu> - 2011-09-12 10:41 -0700
                                        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Patrick Scheible <kkt@zipcon.net> - 2011-09-12 11:34 -0700
                                          Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2011-09-13 05:40 +1000
                                          Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2011-09-12 15:53 -0400
                                          Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-09-12 13:08 -0700
                                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2011-09-08 04:14 +1000
                                  Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-09-07 11:31 -0700
                                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2011-09-08 05:35 +1000
                                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Bernd Felsche <berfel@innovative.iinet.net.au> - 2011-09-08 08:40 +0800
                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Terje Mathisen <"terje.mathisen at tmsw.no"> - 2011-09-07 20:25 +0200
                                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2011-09-08 16:58 +0000
                                  Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2011-09-08 12:31 -0500
            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Terje Mathisen <"terje.mathisen at tmsw.no"> - 2011-08-30 13:46 +0200
        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-08-29 09:18 -0700

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#3433

Fromnmm1@cam.ac.uk
Date2011-09-04 08:09 +0100
Message-ID<j3v86s$le1$1@gosset.csi.cam.ac.uk>
In reply to#3420
In article <4E62888D.4060306@bitblocks.com>,
Bakul Shah  <usenet@bitblocks.com> wrote:
>>
>> Sigh.  I see that I need to give an elementary lesson on how ISO
>> language standardisation works.
>
>How do you think languages get extended? ...

Well, I have been and am involved in quite a lot of it, in formal
and informal standards, unstandardised languages, sometimes as the
initiator of an extension.

And you? :-)


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

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#3423

Fromscott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
Date2011-09-03 21:34 +0000
Message-ID<o3x8q.337332$Ln1.127826@news.usenetserver.com>
In reply to#3418
nmm1@cam.ac.uk writes:
>In article <4E626B94.1020203@bitblocks.com>,
>Bakul Shah  <usenet@bitblocks.com> wrote:
>>
>>The printf(3) man pages on BSD/Linux/OS X say the function is standard
>>compliant but I could not locate this flag in C89, C99 or C1X. So this
>>is probably originally a glibc extension. Nick is (half) right.
>
>Sigh.  I see that I need to give an elementary lesson on how ISO
>language standardisation works.
>
>An invalid conversion specifier (such as that is) is undefined
>behaviour, and therefore the standard says nothing about what
>happens.  De nada, zilch, nihilum.  It is therefore compliant for
>a compiler to behave like that, or to subtly corrupt all results
>it produces.  Or to vary the behaviour according to the phase of
>the moon, or anything.  And they do behave like that.
>
>Yes, it is probably a glibc extension, but I have no idea whether
>it has been taken up by other libraries and, if so, which.  Nor
>do I much care - if you rely on non-standard features without
>checking each and every set of compiler and library documentation
>that you might run the program under, you are on your own.

Hi Nick,

   This is a X/Open extension, now marked XSI in POSIX.

scott

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#3454

FromJean-Marc Bourguet <jm@bourguet.org>
Date2011-09-04 22:15 +0200
Message-ID<87hb4s3vyw.fsf@news.bourguet.org>
In reply to#3418
nmm1@cam.ac.uk writes:

> Yes, it is probably a glibc extension, but I have no idea whether
> it has been taken up by other libraries and, if so, which.  

It's in POSIX. But I didn't review how well it is implemented.

Yours,

-- 
Jean-Marc

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#3457

Fromnmm1@cam.ac.uk
Date2011-09-04 21:07 +0100
Message-ID<j40lq3$asj$1@gosset.csi.cam.ac.uk>
In reply to#3454
In article <87hb4s3vyw.fsf@news.bourguet.org>,
Jean-Marc Bourguet  <jm@bourguet.org> wrote:
>
>> Yes, it is probably a glibc extension, but I have no idea whether
>> it has been taken up by other libraries and, if so, which.  
>
>It's in POSIX. But I didn't review how well it is implemented.

Boggle.  So it is.  But, since a large amount of what POSIX says
about I/O is unimplementable or unusable, I wouldn't bet on even
the implementable extensions to C being reliable.  I don't even
know how many systems support the X/Open System Interface in full,
which that depends on.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

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#3399

FromPeter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com>
Date2011-09-02 20:21 -0400
Message-ID<j3rrtj$30l$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#3381
On 9/2/2011 11:46 AM, Robert Wessel wrote:
> On Fri, 02 Sep 2011 05:06:15 -0700, "Andy \"Krazy\" Glew"
> <andy@SPAM.comp-arch.net>  wrote:
>
>> On 9/2/2011 1:26 AM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>> In article<cm2067dltqpvfagestfnci7c1qo460vluk@4ax.com>,
>>> robertwessel2@yahoo.com (Robert Wessel) writes:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 01 Sep 2011 17:13:34 -0400, Peter Flass
>>>> <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com>   wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Kind of orthogonal to that, PL/I(F) used to have "Sterling Pictures"
>>>>> to edit money amounts to be displayed in pounds, shillings, and pence.
>>>>
>>>> Some IBM versions of Cobol in the 70s as well.  You could do
>>>> arithmetic on them as well.  So you could have:
>>>>
>>>>     PIC S9999D88D66V99
>>>>
>>>> Which is: four digits of pounds ("9999"), two digits of shillings
>>>> ("88"), two digits of pence plus two digits of fractional pence
>>>> (66V99).  And it's signed ("S").  The "D"s were the separators.  There
>>>> was other madness as well.  There were provisions of single column
>>>> pence representation (two different formats), since on punch cards you
>>>> had twelve rows, and it was apparently common to use the 11 and 12
>>>> punch to represent 10 and 11 pence, rather than use two columns to
>>>> deal with 0..11.
>>>
>>> I seem to recall reading about those pence representations in an
>>> RPG manual as well.
>>
>> Q: did the PIC format actually control numeric representation?  I don't
>> know the carry rules for LSD (Pounds, Shilling, Pence)[*], but at the
>> least I suspect that if the fractional pence were represented as
>> decimals, that you overflowed the V in a different way than you
>> overflowed the D and P.
>>
>> Or, were the PIC formats mainly a display format?  And the internal
>> representation an integer, in units of 1/100th of a penny, or the like?
>>
>> I am a bit interested because long ago I wrote a C library for PIC
>> representations: converting C types like int or float to strings for
>> display or output, using a PIC format.  If I were to rewrite it in C++
>> to avoid the cruftiness of C string handling, it would look something like
>>
>>       string result = pic("$$$$.99",int_arg);
>>
>> Unfortunately, the source code for this library resides in some long ago
>> employer.   I have often considered reviving it, because IMHO PIC
>> representations are more natural than printf formats.
>>
>>
>> [*] although I have an English background, I grew up in Canada and never
>> had to pay attention to British currency except on vacation.
>
>
> As with PICs in general in Cobol, they were both.  The example I
> posted above S9999D88D66V99 was non-edited format, and you could
> perform arithmetic on it.  If you specified S9999D88D6, you got one of
> the formats with the "single column" pence representation I mentioned,
> but still usable for arithmetic.  Overflow from pence to shillings to
> pounds was handled by the type, so you could add Sterling quantities
> naturally.
>
> You could specified an edited format, for example, $$$9BD88BD66.99,
> and you'd get floating currency signs in the pounds field, spaces
> between the pounds, shilling and pence, and a decimal point character
> for the fractional pence.  That would be useable as a numeric target,
> (IOW you could "ADD 1 to X GIVING EDITED-STERLING-FIELD"), but you
> could not use the result in a computation (although it was,
> approximately, usable as a string).

This was the same in PL/I.  You could either keep the data as character 
in the format specified by the picture or use the picture as a mask to 
edit numeric data to character or de-edit the sterling data to numeric. 
  Offhand I don't know how the numerics were stored, I'd have to look it up.

>
> There was some weirdness with signs too, IIRC.
>
> I do not remember if you could specify non-character formats (IOW,
> packed decimal or binary) for the computational formats (IOW, my first
> example would use ten bytes, with each byte a digit), but if you're
> interested I can look it up - I have an old Cobol manual in the
> archives at the office, but I'm not there today.  Bug me if I don't
> get back to you by Tuesday.
>
> But I've always though that some additional formatting in printf
> formatting strings would be an obvious feature to add to C.
>

Mostly I find pictures most convenient, occasionally I want printf-like 
formatting in PL/I.  The most obvious case is to have numeric data 
converted to character string with the length equal to the number of 
digits (and maybe sign) rather than the constant length of the picture. 
  I think Multics had a system library (IOR?) that provided 
functionality similar to printf.

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#3503

FromTim Shoppa <shoppa@trailing-edge.com>
Date2011-09-06 09:32 -0700
Message-ID<cc8c03e5-4abc-474a-9447-9168b66e0258@i21g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>
In reply to#3381
On Sep 2, 11:46 am, Robert Wessel <robertwess...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> But I've always though that some additional formatting in printf
> formatting strings would be an obvious feature to add to C.

printf formatting is really heavily oriented towards computer science
geeks and away from real world applications. I myself grew up with
FORTRAN format statements and every time I have written a printf
format over the past 20 years, I would rather write it in Fortran :-).

I suppose a 1990's or early 2000's computer sciency implementation
would be object oriented and have a general class for currency, with
subclasses for each monetary system, most of which would be decimal
oriented but a few of which would be specialized to the point of
pounds/shilling/pence with a general rendering call that is
specialized for each currency as necessary. Arithmetic in each class
could "know" the business accounting rules.

I'm 100% sure what I wrote in the above paragraph describes a thousand
different and disparate object-oriented replacements for COBOL, none
of which I've ever heard of, and none of which has ever caught on :-).

Tim.

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#3511

Fromblmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com>
Date2011-09-07 09:09 +0000
Message-ID<9coqm1F9ppU11@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#3503
In article <cc8c03e5-4abc-474a-9447-9168b66e0258@i21g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
Tim Shoppa  <shoppa@trailing-edge.com> wrote:
> On Sep 2, 11:46 am, Robert Wessel <robertwess...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > But I've always though that some additional formatting in printf
> > formatting strings would be an obvious feature to add to C.
> 
> printf formatting is really heavily oriented towards computer science
> geeks and away from real world applications. I myself grew up with
> FORTRAN format statements and every time I have written a printf
> format over the past 20 years, I would rather write it in Fortran :-).
> 
> I suppose a 1990's or early 2000's computer sciency implementation
> would be object oriented and have a general class for currency, with
> subclasses for each monetary system, most of which would be decimal
> oriented but a few of which would be specialized to the point of
> pounds/shilling/pence with a general rendering call that is
> specialized for each currency as necessary. Arithmetic in each class
> could "know" the business accounting rules.

Seems like an obvious thing to find in the Java library, given
that it has pretty much everything else :-) and at least seems to
put a lot of emphasis on "internationalization", but ....  Huh.
There's a Currency class all right, but it seems to be more limited
than what you're suggesting.  Maybe it (something like what you're
suggesting) will show up in some future release ....  Sort of a :-).

> I'm 100% sure what I wrote in the above paragraph describes a thousand
> different and disparate object-oriented replacements for COBOL, none
> of which I've ever heard of, and none of which has ever caught on :-).

-- 
B. L. Massingill
ObDisclaimer:  I don't speak for my employers; they return the favor.

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#3524

FromQuadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca>
Date2011-09-07 07:17 -0700
Message-ID<3975a524-2397-4bd4-90e1-e10eae805b09@i21g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>
In reply to#3511
On Sep 7, 3:09 am, blm...@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myreal...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Seems like an obvious thing to find in the Java library, given
> that it has pretty much everything else :-) and at least seems to
> put a lot of emphasis on "internationalization", but ....  Huh.
> There's a Currency class all right, but it seems to be more limited
> than what you're suggesting.  Maybe it (something like what you're
> suggesting) will show up in some future release ....  Sort of a :-).

Since Britain, the last bastion of a non-decimal currency, has long
since decimalised, there would seem to be no reason to add such
features to current languages.

It's not as if, for example, anyone now keeps accounts in the currency
of the Roman Republic...

1 Quadrans = 3 Unciae
1 Triens = 4 Unciae
1 Quincunx = 5 Unciae
1 Semis = 2 Quadriae = 6 Unciae
1 As = 2 Semiae = 3 Trientes = 4 Quadriae = 12 Unciae
1 Dupondius = 2 Asses = 4 Semiae = 6 Trientes = 8 Quadriae = 24 Unciae
1 Sestertius = 5 Semiae = 10 Quadriae = 6 Quincunctiae = 30 Unciae
1 Denarius = 4 Sestertiae = 5 Dupondiae

John Savard

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#3525

FromAhem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net>
Date2011-09-07 16:00 +0100
Message-ID<20110907160033.50426bc6.steveo@eircom.net>
In reply to#3524
On Wed, 7 Sep 2011 07:17:37 -0700 (PDT)
Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

> Since Britain, the last bastion of a non-decimal currency, has long
> since decimalised, there would seem to be no reason to add such
> features to current languages.
> 
> It's not as if, for example, anyone now keeps accounts in the currency
> of the Roman Republic...

	Wow that's a lot like the old British system.

> 1 Quadrans = 3 Unciae

	Threepenny bit.

> 1 Triens = 4 Unciae
> 1 Quincunx = 5 Unciae

	Interesting that the Quadrans and Triens appear to be named as
fractions of the As while the Quineunx appears to be named for the number
of Unciae in it.

> 1 Semis = 2 Quadriae = 6 Unciae

	Tanner or sixpence.

> 1 As = 2 Semiae = 3 Trientes = 4 Quadriae = 12 Unciae

	Bob or shilling.

> 1 Dupondius = 2 Asses = 4 Semiae = 6 Trientes = 8 Quadriae = 24 Unciae

	Florin.

> 1 Sestertius = 5 Semiae = 10 Quadriae = 6 Quincunctiae = 30 Unciae

	Half Crown.

> 1 Denarius = 4 Sestertiae = 5 Dupondiae

	Ten shilling note (the smallest note in the British system).

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#3526

FromBill Findlay <yaldnif.w@blueyonder.co.uk>
Date2011-09-07 16:40 +0100
Message-ID<CA8D4EE7.3D8D%yaldnif.w@blueyonder.co.uk>
In reply to#3525
On 07/09/2011 16:00, in article 20110907160033.50426bc6.steveo@eircom.net,
"Ahem A Rivet's Shot" <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:

> On Wed, 7 Sep 2011 07:17:37 -0700 (PDT)
> Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> 
>> Since Britain, the last bastion of a non-decimal currency, has long
>> since decimalised, there would seem to be no reason to add such
>> features to current languages.
>> 
>> It's not as if, for example, anyone now keeps accounts in the currency
>> of the Roman Republic...
> 
> Wow that's a lot like the old British system.
> 
>> 1 Quadrans = 3 Unciae
> 
> Threepenny bit.
> 
>> 1 Triens = 4 Unciae

And that is a groat .

-- 
Bill Findlay
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#3530

FromQuadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca>
Date2011-09-07 09:57 -0700
Message-ID<c2cd69d4-1db8-4e7e-b23b-a5d51a8c0c79@t29g2000vby.googlegroups.com>
In reply to#3525
On Sep 7, 9:00 am, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <ste...@eircom.net> wrote:

>         Wow that's a lot like the old British system.

Of course, that's probably not a coincidence - instead, it's basically
where Britain (and much of Europe) got their ideas from. At one time,
the other currencies of Europe weren't decimal either.

>         Interesting that the Quadrans and Triens appear to be named as
> fractions of the As while the Quineunx appears to be named for the number
> of Unciae in it.

Since there are 12 Unciae in an As, and 5 Unciae in a Quincunx, they
could hardly have done otherwise in its case.

I suppose they could have named the Quncunx as a fraction of the
Sestertius, or the Quadrans and the Triens on the basis of the number
of Unciae in them, so it's true it's not unique, but still, it is
natural.

John Savard

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#3527

FromPatrick Scheible <kkt@zipcon.net>
Date2011-09-07 09:39 -0700
Message-ID<86y5y0l31f.fsf@zipcon.net>
In reply to#3524
Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:

> On Sep 7, 3:09 am, blm...@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myreal...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Seems like an obvious thing to find in the Java library, given
>> that it has pretty much everything else :-) and at least seems to
>> put a lot of emphasis on "internationalization", but ....  Huh.
>> There's a Currency class all right, but it seems to be more limited
>> than what you're suggesting.  Maybe it (something like what you're
>> suggesting) will show up in some future release ....  Sort of a :-).
>
> Since Britain, the last bastion of a non-decimal currency, has long
> since decimalised, there would seem to be no reason to add such
> features to current languages.

Historians looking at historial account books might want it.

-- Patrick

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#3538

FromMorten Reistad <first@last.name>
Date2011-09-07 20:47 +0200
Message-ID<4e67c1da@news.broadpark.no>
In reply to#3524
In article <3975a524-2397-4bd4-90e1-e10eae805b09@i21g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
Quadibloc  <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>On Sep 7, 3:09 am, blm...@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myreal...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>> Seems like an obvious thing to find in the Java library, given
>> that it has pretty much everything else :-) and at least seems to
>> put a lot of emphasis on "internationalization", but ....  Huh.
>> There's a Currency class all right, but it seems to be more limited
>> than what you're suggesting.  Maybe it (something like what you're
>> suggesting) will show up in some future release ....  Sort of a :-).
>
>Since Britain, the last bastion of a non-decimal currency, has long
>since decimalised, there would seem to be no reason to add such
>features to current languages.

Malta was the last houldout for LSD coinage, lasting a year longer than 
the UK. If you count in the Sovereign military order of Malta; still 
recognised as a "nation without a land", it still keeps LSD, 6 piccol = 1 grano, 
20 grani = 1 taro, 12 tari = 1 scudo.

The NYSE traded in fractions until Febryary 2001, several decades
after the brits went decimal.

Otherwise the non-cent divisions are lame. Tunis divides into units of
a thousand; mauretania and madagascar divides into 5; still sort of decimal.
Besides, inflation are taking care of those. 

-- mrr .. amazed that there arent any more holdouts. 

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#3569

Fromjmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com>
Date2011-09-08 14:09 +0000
Message-ID<PM0004AC6E8FAF0263@aca29b66.ipt.aol.com>
In reply to#3538
Morten Reistad wrote:
> In article
<3975a524-2397-4bd4-90e1-e10eae805b09@i21g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
> Quadibloc  <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>On Sep 7, 3:09 am, blm...@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myreal...@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>> Seems like an obvious thing to find in the Java library, given
>>> that it has pretty much everything else :-) and at least seems to
>>> put a lot of emphasis on "internationalization", but ....  Huh.
>>> There's a Currency class all right, but it seems to be more limited
>>> than what you're suggesting.  Maybe it (something like what you're
>>> suggesting) will show up in some future release ....  Sort of a :-).
>>
>>Since Britain, the last bastion of a non-decimal currency, has long
>>since decimalised, there would seem to be no reason to add such
>>features to current languages.
>
> Malta was the last houldout for LSD coinage, lasting a year longer than
> the UK. If you count in the Sovereign military order of Malta; still
> recognised as a "nation without a land", it still keeps LSD, 6 piccol = 1
grano,
> 20 grani = 1 taro, 12 tari = 1 scudo.
>
> The NYSE traded in fractions until Febryary 2001, several decades
> after the brits went decimal.

And that software didn't have rounding "errors".

<snip>

/BAH

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#3579

FromStephen Fuld <SFuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid>
Date2011-09-08 09:13 -0700
Message-ID<j4aph9$lis$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#3569
On 9/8/2011 7:09 AM, jmfbahciv wrote:
> Morten Reistad wrote:

snip

>> The NYSE traded in fractions until Febryary 2001, several decades
>> after the brits went decimal.
>
> And that software didn't have rounding "errors".

True, but misleading.  Not all fractions were possible.  Most stocks 
sold in multiples of 1/4, while some low prices ones used eighths.  I 
think a few "penny stocks" used sixteenths.  Note the commonality here. 
  All of the denominators fractions were even powers of two, so were 
exactly expressible in a binary system.  No stock was priced at say 11 
1/3 dollars per share.


-- 
  - Stephen Fuld
(e-mail address disguised to prevent spam)

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#3583

FromMorten Reistad <first@last.name>
Date2011-09-08 18:59 +0200
Message-ID<4e68f731$1@news.broadpark.no>
In reply to#3569
In article <PM0004AC6E8FAF0263@aca29b66.ipt.aol.com>,
jmfbahciv  <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>Morten Reistad wrote:
>> In article
><3975a524-2397-4bd4-90e1-e10eae805b09@i21g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
>> Quadibloc  <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>>On Sep 7, 3:09 am, blm...@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myreal...@gmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>

>> The NYSE traded in fractions until Febryary 2001, several decades
>> after the brits went decimal.
>
>And that software didn't have rounding "errors".

But the stock exchange feed was a bitch to parse right. Especially
since they had (have) bcd-like encodings of numbers embedded in 
an ascii stream. 

It was especially bad in the transition to decimal, when both
formats appeared on the feed.

-- mrr

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#3593

Fromjmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com>
Date2011-09-09 15:21 +0000
Message-ID<PM0004AC83AF093973@ac820213.ipt.aol.com>
In reply to#3583
Morten Reistad wrote:
> In article <PM0004AC6E8FAF0263@aca29b66.ipt.aol.com>,
> jmfbahciv  <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>Morten Reistad wrote:
>>> In article
>><3975a524-2397-4bd4-90e1-e10eae805b09@i21g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
>>> Quadibloc  <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>>>On Sep 7, 3:09 am, blm...@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myreal...@gmail.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>
>>> The NYSE traded in fractions until Febryary 2001, several decades
>>> after the brits went decimal.
>>
>>And that software didn't have rounding "errors".
>
> But the stock exchange feed was a bitch to parse right. Especially
> since they had (have) bcd-like encodings of numbers embedded in
> an ascii stream.
>
> It was especially bad in the transition to decimal, when both
> formats appeared on the feed.

I understand and agree.  However the software seemed to be able to do
8ths arithmetic correctly.  the decimal stuff I see on my statements
don't.  and, yes, I coomplained.

/BAH

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#3596

FromQuadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca>
Date2011-09-09 12:48 -0700
Message-ID<396b98d3-e806-4053-b563-9c3055e36d67@u26g2000yqu.googlegroups.com>
In reply to#3538
On Sep 7, 12:47 pm, Morten Reistad <fi...@last.name> wrote:
> If you count in the Sovereign military order of Malta; still
> recognised as a "nation without a land", it still keeps LSD, 6 piccol = 1 grano,
> 20 grani = 1 taro, 12 tari = 1 scudo.

Malta is an island in the Mediterranean, so it is hardly without land.

This is closer to the old Roman currency than the British pound - if
the Scudo corresponds to the pound, then the Grano corresponds to the
penny... and the Taro corresponds to 1s 8d. So if the Scudo is a troy
pound sterling, as it were, the Taro is a troy ounce sterling.

Dividing the Grano into six Piccol instead of four is just a nice
touch.

John Savard

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#3598

From"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
Date2011-09-10 06:27 +1000
Message-ID<9cvb5oFouoU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#3596
Quadibloc wrote
> Morten Reistad <fi...@last.name> wrote

>> If you count in the Sovereign military order of Malta; still
>> recognised as a "nation without a land", it still keeps LSD,
>> 6 piccol = 1 grano, 20 grani = 1 taro, 12 tari = 1 scudo.

> Malta is an island in the Mediterranean, so it is hardly without land.

It doesnt have exclusive access to that land tho.

> This is closer to the old Roman currency than the British pound - if
> the Scudo corresponds to the pound, then the Grano corresponds to
> the penny... and the Taro corresponds to 1s 8d. So if the Scudo is a
> troy pound sterling, as it were, the Taro is a troy ounce sterling.

> Dividing the Grano into six Piccol instead of four is just a nice touch.

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#3599

FromMorten Reistad <first@last.name>
Date2011-09-09 23:04 +0200
Message-ID<4e6a80f0$1@news.broadpark.no>
In reply to#3596
In article <396b98d3-e806-4053-b563-9c3055e36d67@u26g2000yqu.googlegroups.com>,
Quadibloc  <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>On Sep 7, 12:47 pm, Morten Reistad <fi...@last.name> wrote:
>> If you count in the Sovereign military order of Malta; still
>> recognised as a "nation without a land", it still keeps LSD, 6 piccol = 1 grano,
>> 20 grani = 1 taro, 12 tari = 1 scudo.
>
>Malta is an island in the Mediterranean, so it is hardly without land.

"Malta" and the "Sovereign military order of Malta" (SMOM) are two different
entities. The first is an island state in the Mediterranean Sea, EU member state.

The latter has a full name of 

"Sovereign Military Hospitaller Order of Saint John of Jerusalem of Rhodes and of Malta"

This is the lastof the independent, sovereign chivalry orders from the
middle ages. They lost their last territory in 1798, Malta proper, and
are now located in Rome. They have general status of a sovereign
entity, rather like the Vatican. It remains a catholic order, but does
not have the pope as a secular head of state; rather the head of state
is a cardinal; until 1990 of aristocratic birth.

They have money, issue stamps, have UN observer status beside the Palesinians, 
they have ca 13000 member citizens, and have and army and an air force; 
and have been included in several peace treaties, especially the 
Treaty of Amiens, and the Italian peace accord with the Allies.
They also have a special relationship with the EU and NATO; but
are not recognised by the US, and were an unconstitutional entity
in Norway until 1956. 

They have properties in the Vatical, Italy and Malta that are granted
extraterritoriality; they have full diplomatic relations with 104 nations, 
special relations with 6 (Germany, Luxembourg, Belguim, Switzerland and
Canada) and have partial recognition of another 58, e.g. recognition of passports, 
stamps, currency.

They have an ITU member status, and have radio call signs (prefix 1A) , 
and would be granted an ISO3166 code if they asked, but they have not
done so. They could then have a top levevl domain and telephone, 
telex and x.121 country codes.

They issue italian motor vehicle plates with prefix SMOM.

>This is closer to the old Roman currency than the British pound - if
>the Scudo corresponds to the pound, then the Grano corresponds to the
>penny... and the Taro corresponds to 1s 8d. So if the Scudo is a troy
>pound sterling, as it were, the Taro is a troy ounce sterling.
>
>Dividing the Grano into six Piccol instead of four is just a nice
>Touch.

Piccoli. Like Farthings. 

They Scudo is a direct heir from the Byzantine state, from 1301.

Nice status if you can obtain it.

-- mrr

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