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Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem!

Started byQuadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca>
First post2011-08-23 10:48 -0700
Last post2011-08-29 09:18 -0700
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  Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-08-23 10:48 -0700
    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-08-23 16:24 -0700
      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Terje Mathisen <"terje.mathisen at tmsw.no"> - 2011-08-24 07:20 +0200
        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-08-23 23:22 -0700
    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-08-24 14:38 -0700
      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-08-25 17:42 -0700
        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-08-27 09:45 -0700
          Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-08-27 18:03 -0700
    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Brett Davis <ggtgp@yahoo.com> - 2011-08-26 20:31 -0500
      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-08-26 20:08 -0700
      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-08-27 02:35 -0700
        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Brett Davis <ggtgp@yahoo.com> - 2011-08-27 15:27 -0500
          Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-08-27 13:41 -0700
            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Brett Davis <ggtgp@yahoo.com> - 2011-08-27 17:34 -0500
              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-08-27 17:40 -0700
              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-08-27 17:50 -0700
              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-08-28 23:49 -0700
            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-08-27 22:40 -0700
      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Andy \"Krazy\" Glew" <andy@SPAM.comp-arch.net> - 2011-08-28 19:33 -0700
        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Terje Mathisen <"terje.mathisen at tmsw.no"> - 2011-08-29 13:56 +0200
          Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Andy \"Krazy\" Glew" <andy@SPAM.comp-arch.net> - 2011-08-29 09:07 -0700
            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-08-29 17:56 +0100
              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Andy \"Krazy\" Glew" <andy@SPAM.comp-arch.net> - 2011-08-29 11:56 -0700
                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2011-08-29 16:12 -0400
                  Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-08-29 20:46 +0100
                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Kalle Olavi Niemitalo <kon@iki.fi> - 2011-08-30 07:48 +0300
                      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-08-30 08:22 +0100
                      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-08-31 11:34 -0700
                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Andy \"Krazy\" Glew" <andy@SPAM.comp-arch.net> - 2011-08-29 22:22 -0700
                  Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Andrew Reilly <areilly---@bigpond.net.au> - 2011-08-30 11:17 +0000
                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-08-30 12:35 +0100
                      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-08-30 07:02 -0700
                        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-08-30 15:18 +0100
                          Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-08-30 15:12 -0700
                            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-08-31 08:30 +0100
                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-09-01 09:54 -0700
                                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-09-01 10:09 -0700
                                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-01 18:01 +0100
                                  Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-09-01 12:25 -0700
                                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! sidd <sidd@situ.com> - 2011-09-01 20:02 -0400
                                  Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Elliott Roper <nospam@yrl.co.uk> - 2011-09-02 10:27 +0100
                                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-02 11:33 +0100
                                      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-09-02 08:09 -0700
                                        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-09-02 08:12 -0700
                                        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-02 15:50 +0100
                                          Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-09-02 08:49 -0700
                                            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-02 17:00 +0100
                                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-09-02 15:55 -0700
                                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-09-03 18:06 -0700
                                      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-09-02 07:58 -0700
                                        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-02 15:56 +0100
                                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-09-02 07:42 -0700
                                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Andreas Eder <andreas_eder@gmx.net> - 2011-09-02 17:51 +0200
                            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! sidd <sidd@situ.com> - 2011-08-31 12:11 -0400
                          Complex Number Representation nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-02 21:22 +0100
                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Andy \"Krazy\" Glew" <andy@SPAM.comp-arch.net> - 2011-08-30 07:08 -0700
                      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Terje Mathisen <"terje.mathisen at tmsw.no"> - 2011-08-31 10:39 +0200
                        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Andy \"Krazy\" Glew" <andy@SPAM.comp-arch.net> - 2011-08-31 08:00 -0700
                          Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Terje Mathisen <"terje.mathisen at tmsw.no"> - 2011-08-31 18:38 +0200
                            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2011-08-31 13:18 -0400
                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Andy \"Krazy\" Glew" <andy@SPAM.comp-arch.net> - 2011-08-31 19:09 -0700
              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Brett Davis <ggtgp@yahoo.com> - 2011-08-30 00:19 -0500
                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Brett Davis <ggtgp@yahoo.com> - 2011-08-31 23:46 -0500
                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-08-31 09:56 -0700
                  Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Terje Mathisen <"terje.mathisen at tmsw.no"> - 2011-09-01 08:23 +0200
                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-08-31 14:02 -0700
                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-09-01 04:02 -0700
                      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Terje Mathisen <"terje.mathisen at tmsw.no"> - 2011-09-01 19:42 +0200
                      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-08-31 23:20 -0700
                      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "James Van Buskirk" <not_valid@comcast.net> - 2011-09-12 15:53 -0600
                        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-12 22:31 +0100
                          Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-12 22:56 +0100
                            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2011-09-12 21:00 -0400
                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-13 10:10 +0100
                        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Terje Mathisen <"terje.mathisen at tmsw.no"> - 2011-09-13 04:58 +0200
                  Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2011-09-01 07:25 -0400
                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Tim Shoppa <shoppa@trailing-edge.com> - 2011-09-01 10:37 -0700
                      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-01 18:25 +0100
                        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Bill Findlay <yaldnif.w@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2011-09-01 19:56 +0100
                        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-09-01 12:30 -0700
                          Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-09-01 12:38 -0700
                          Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2011-09-01 17:13 -0400
                            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Patrick Scheible <kkt@zipcon.net> - 2011-09-01 14:48 -0700
                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-01 22:49 +0100
                            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2011-09-01 18:08 -0500
                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2011-09-02 00:26 -0800
                                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Andy \"Krazy\" Glew" <andy@SPAM.comp-arch.net> - 2011-09-02 05:06 -0700
                                  Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2011-09-02 10:46 -0500
                                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Stephen Fuld <SFuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2011-09-02 12:08 -0700
                                      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Patrick Scheible <kkt@zipcon.net> - 2011-09-02 13:54 -0700
                                        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2011-09-03 14:57 +0000
                                          Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-03 15:33 +0100
                                            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-09-03 13:42 -0700
                                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2011-09-04 08:46 +1000
                                                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2011-09-04 08:05 +0100
                                                  Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2011-09-04 17:44 +1000
                                                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2011-09-04 08:56 +0100
                                                      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2011-09-04 18:52 +1000
                                                      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-09-04 08:55 -0700
                                                        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-04 16:46 +0100
                                            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2011-09-04 13:21 +0000
                                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-04 14:03 +0100
                                                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2011-09-04 14:15 -0400
                                                  Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-04 18:52 +0100
                                                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2011-09-04 15:00 -0400
                                                      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-04 21:02 +0100
                                                        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2011-09-04 19:22 -0400
                                                          Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-05 07:09 +0100
                                                  Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2011-09-05 04:48 +1000
                                                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2011-09-04 20:18 -0400
                                          Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2011-09-04 03:53 +1000
                                            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2011-09-04 13:21 +0000
                                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2011-09-05 03:57 +1000
                                            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-09-04 08:47 -0700
                                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2011-09-05 04:03 +1000
                                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2011-09-04 14:30 -0400
                                                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2011-09-05 04:49 +1000
                                                  Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-09-04 15:53 -0700
                                                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2011-09-05 09:55 +1000
                                                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Piotr Wyderski <peter.pan@neverland.mil> - 2011-10-19 19:17 +0200
                                                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2011-09-04 19:54 +0100
                                                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-04 20:56 +0100
                                                  Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2011-09-04 19:16 -0400
                                                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-09-04 16:26 -0700
                                                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Morten Reistad <first@last.name> - 2011-09-05 13:45 +0200
                                                      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Bakul Shah <usenet@bitblocks.com> - 2011-09-05 12:09 -0700
                                                        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-05 20:51 +0100
                                                          Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Morten Reistad <first@last.name> - 2011-09-06 10:57 +0200
                                                            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2011-09-06 19:43 +1000
                                                        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Morten Reistad <first@last.name> - 2011-09-06 10:55 +0200
                                                        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2011-09-06 11:36 +0100
                                                      OT English Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! wclodius@lost-alamos.pet (William Clodius) - 2011-09-05 13:33 -0600
                                                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Patrick Scheible <kkt@zipcon.net> - 2011-09-05 23:12 -0700
                                                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2011-09-07 09:44 -0800
                                          Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2011-09-03 13:41 -0500
                                            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2011-09-03 21:36 +0000
                                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2011-09-03 20:18 -0500
                                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2011-09-04 08:31 -0400
                                                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-04 13:11 +0100
                                                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2011-09-05 17:14 +0000
                                            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2011-09-07 09:07 +0000
                                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2011-09-07 12:15 +0100
                                                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2011-09-07 08:37 -0400
                                                  Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2011-09-07 13:50 +0100
                                                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2011-09-07 09:21 -0400
                                                      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Bernd Felsche <berfel@innovative.iinet.net.au> - 2011-09-08 08:42 +0800
                                                        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2011-09-08 14:10 +0000
                                                        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-09-08 19:09 -0700
                                          Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Patrick Scheible <kkt@zipcon.net> - 2011-09-05 22:50 -0700
                                            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2011-09-06 13:45 +0000
                                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Patrick Scheible <kkt@zipcon.net> - 2011-09-06 09:08 -0700
                                                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2011-09-07 14:13 +0000
                                                  Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Patrick Scheible <kkt@zipcon.net> - 2011-09-07 09:42 -0700
                                                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Bernd Felsche <berfel@innovative.iinet.net.au> - 2011-09-08 09:05 +0800
                                                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2011-09-08 14:10 +0000
                                                  Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2011-09-08 04:49 +1000
                                                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2011-09-08 14:09 +0000
                                                      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2011-09-09 03:17 +1000
                                                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2011-09-10 23:07 -0700
                                                  Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2011-09-11 09:06 +0100
                                                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-11 10:07 +0100
                                                      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-09-11 06:48 -0700
                                                  Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2011-09-11 08:26 -0400
                                                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-11 13:00 +0100
                                                  Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Patrick Scheible <kkt@zipcon.net> - 2011-09-11 07:36 -0700
                                          Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Piotr Wyderski <peter.pan@neverland.mil> - 2011-10-19 19:15 +0200
                                            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Patrick Scheible <kkt@zipcon.net> - 2011-10-19 14:45 -0700
                                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2011-10-19 17:13 -0800
                                            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2011-10-20 13:38 +0000
                                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2011-10-27 09:01 +0000
                                      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2011-09-02 20:41 -0400
                                        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2011-09-03 06:58 +0100
                                        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-03 07:19 +0100
                                      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Bakul Shah <usenet@bitblocks.com> - 2011-09-02 21:54 -0700
                                        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Stephen Fuld <SFuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2011-09-03 09:05 -0700
                                          Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-03 16:42 +0100
                                            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2011-09-03 21:00 +0000
                                          Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Bakul Shah <usenet@bitblocks.com> - 2011-09-03 11:01 -0700
                                            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-03 19:18 +0100
                                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Bakul Shah <usenet@bitblocks.com> - 2011-09-03 13:05 -0700
                                                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-04 08:09 +0100
                                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2011-09-03 21:34 +0000
                                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Jean-Marc Bourguet <jm@bourguet.org> - 2011-09-04 22:15 +0200
                                                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-04 21:07 +0100
                                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2011-09-02 20:21 -0400
                                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Tim Shoppa <shoppa@trailing-edge.com> - 2011-09-06 09:32 -0700
                                      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2011-09-07 09:09 +0000
                                        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-09-07 07:17 -0700
                                          Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2011-09-07 16:00 +0100
                                            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Bill Findlay <yaldnif.w@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2011-09-07 16:40 +0100
                                            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-09-07 09:57 -0700
                                          Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Patrick Scheible <kkt@zipcon.net> - 2011-09-07 09:39 -0700
                                          Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Morten Reistad <first@last.name> - 2011-09-07 20:47 +0200
                                            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2011-09-08 14:09 +0000
                                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Stephen Fuld <SFuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2011-09-08 09:13 -0700
                                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Morten Reistad <first@last.name> - 2011-09-08 18:59 +0200
                                                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2011-09-09 15:21 +0000
                                            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-09-09 12:48 -0700
                                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2011-09-10 06:27 +1000
                                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Morten Reistad <first@last.name> - 2011-09-09 23:04 +0200
                                          Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Bernd Felsche <berfel@innovative.iinet.net.au> - 2011-09-08 08:57 +0800
                                            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2011-09-08 14:10 +0000
                                            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2011-09-08 07:50 -0800
                                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2011-09-08 12:07 -0400
                                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2011-09-08 12:10 -0400
                                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2011-09-08 17:38 +0100
                                                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Seebs <usenet-nospam@seebs.net> - 2011-09-09 03:43 +0000
                                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2011-09-08 12:21 -0500
                        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2011-09-01 17:09 -0400
                          Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2011-09-02 08:59 +1000
                            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2011-09-07 09:07 +0000
                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2011-09-07 20:03 +1000
                                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2011-09-08 16:55 +0000
                                  Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2011-09-09 03:52 +1000
                                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2011-10-01 15:57 +0000
                                      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2011-10-02 05:51 +1100
                                        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2011-10-07 11:31 +0000
                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Morten Reistad <first@last.name> - 2011-09-07 14:08 +0200
                                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2011-09-07 14:18 +0100
                                  Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2011-09-07 14:05 +0000
                                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Morten Reistad <first@last.name> - 2011-09-07 20:54 +0200
                                      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2011-09-08 05:27 +1000
                                      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! timcaffrey@aol.com (Tim McCaffrey) - 2011-09-16 18:48 +0000
                                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! sidd <sidd@situ.com> - 2011-09-07 18:53 -0400
                                  Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2011-09-08 04:37 +1000
                                  Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Terje Mathisen <"terje.mathisen at tmsw.no"> - 2011-09-08 10:19 +0200
                                  Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! kenney@cix.compulink.co.uk - 2011-09-08 05:14 -0500
                                  Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2011-09-11 12:58 -0700
                                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2011-09-12 10:01 +0100
                                      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2011-09-12 19:35 +1000
                                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Patrick Scheible <kkt@zipcon.net> - 2011-09-12 09:25 -0700
                                      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2011-09-12 13:27 -0400
                                        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Ben Pfaff <blp@cs.stanford.edu> - 2011-09-12 10:41 -0700
                                        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Patrick Scheible <kkt@zipcon.net> - 2011-09-12 11:34 -0700
                                          Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2011-09-13 05:40 +1000
                                          Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2011-09-12 15:53 -0400
                                          Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-09-12 13:08 -0700
                                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2011-09-08 04:14 +1000
                                  Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-09-07 11:31 -0700
                                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2011-09-08 05:35 +1000
                                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Bernd Felsche <berfel@innovative.iinet.net.au> - 2011-09-08 08:40 +0800
                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Terje Mathisen <"terje.mathisen at tmsw.no"> - 2011-09-07 20:25 +0200
                                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2011-09-08 16:58 +0000
                                  Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2011-09-08 12:31 -0500
            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Terje Mathisen <"terje.mathisen at tmsw.no"> - 2011-08-30 13:46 +0200
        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-08-29 09:18 -0700

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#3510

Fromblmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com>
Date2011-09-07 09:07 +0000
Message-ID<9coqjdF9ppU10@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#3417
In article <3nq467h8eek90oru2p4mtqljsp7hm56o99@4ax.com>,
Robert Wessel  <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 3 Sep 2011 14:57:15 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
> 
> >Patrick Scheible wrote:
> >> Stephen Fuld <SFuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> writes:
> >>
> >>> On 9/2/2011 8:46 AM, Robert Wessel wrote:
> >>>
> >>> snip
> >>>
> >>>> But I've always though that some additional formatting in printf
> >>>> formatting strings would be an obvious feature to add to C.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Yes, of course.  While the full functionality of picture clauses might
> >>> be nice, A small subset would go a long way.  The single thing I would
> >>> most like to see is to make it easy to print numbers with separators
> >>> every three characters.  I get so frustrated when I see things like
> >>> the output of a profiling program say a routine was executed
> >>>
> >>> 34587706689349 times.
> >>>
> >>> It sure makes it hard to read and there is no excuse for that.  I
> >>> realize there are issues with commas versus spaces as separators, but
> >>> these could be overcome.
> >>
> >> Even if they use spaces instead of commas, it's still easier to read
> >> than no separators at all.
> >
> >Not spaces..  Which do you chose?  The American use of comma or
> >the European use of period?  In one side of the pond, the period
> >implies fractions.  We couldn't decide in the 70s.
> 
> 
> C, at least, has answers to a few of those questions already vial the
> locale mechanism.  In Cobol, you could specify "DECIMAL POINT IS
> COMMA" in the program, and it would swap the decimal point and comma
> characters from American to European usage, although you still coded
> the comma as the separator character and the period as the decimal
> point in the picture strings themselves.

Java also has a notion of locales, which among other things can be
used to format numbers and dates according to "local" conventions.
"Just sayin'", I guess.

> We dealt with some of that internally many years ago, and ended up
> with a mini-language for describing the formatting.  

[ snip further details ]

-- 
B. L. Massingill
ObDisclaimer:  I don't speak for my employers; they return the favor.

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#3515

FromAhem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net>
Date2011-09-07 12:15 +0100
Message-ID<20110907121549.6069163f.steveo@eircom.net>
In reply to#3510
On 7 Sep 2011 09:07:57 GMT
blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> wrote:

> In article <3nq467h8eek90oru2p4mtqljsp7hm56o99@4ax.com>,

> > C, at least, has answers to a few of those questions already vial the
> > locale mechanism.  In Cobol, you could specify "DECIMAL POINT IS
> > COMMA" in the program, and it would swap the decimal point and comma
> > characters from American to European usage, although you still coded
> > the comma as the separator character and the period as the decimal
> > point in the picture strings themselves.
> 
> Java also has a notion of locales, which among other things can be
> used to format numbers and dates according to "local" conventions.
> "Just sayin'", I guess.

	The best generally available support for internationalised
formatting (complete with tools for numbers (including in words), currency,
date and time, messages and collation) is the ICU library - although even
that doesn't handle LSD.

-- 
Steve O'Hara-Smith                          |   Directable Mirror Arrays
C:>WIN                                      | A better way to focus the sun
The computer obeys and wins.                |    licences available see
You lose and Bill collects.                 |    http://www.sohara.org/

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#3517

FromWalter Bushell <proto@panix.com>
Date2011-09-07 08:37 -0400
Message-ID<proto-E65722.08374607092011@news.panix.com>
In reply to#3515
In article <20110907121549.6069163f.steveo@eircom.net>,
 Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:

> On 7 Sep 2011 09:07:57 GMT
> blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > In article <3nq467h8eek90oru2p4mtqljsp7hm56o99@4ax.com>,
> 
> > > C, at least, has answers to a few of those questions already vial the
> > > locale mechanism.  In Cobol, you could specify "DECIMAL POINT IS
> > > COMMA" in the program, and it would swap the decimal point and comma
> > > characters from American to European usage, although you still coded
> > > the comma as the separator character and the period as the decimal
> > > point in the picture strings themselves.
> > 
> > Java also has a notion of locales, which among other things can be
> > used to format numbers and dates according to "local" conventions.
> > "Just sayin'", I guess.
> 
> 	The best generally available support for internationalised
> formatting (complete with tools for numbers (including in words), currency,
> date and time, messages and collation) is the ICU library - although even
> that doesn't handle LSD.

Most programmers don't handle LSD well at least for programming even in 
the intensive care unit.

-- 
Ignorance is no protection against reality. -- Paul J Gans

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#3518

FromAhem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net>
Date2011-09-07 13:50 +0100
Message-ID<20110907135024.cc1805fa.steveo@eircom.net>
In reply to#3517
On Wed, 07 Sep 2011 08:37:46 -0400
Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> wrote:

> Most programmers don't handle LSD well at least for programming even in 
> the intensive care unit.

	What was that quote, something like "Two things were popular at
Berkeley in the 70s LSD and BSD we think this is not a coincidence".

-- 
Steve O'Hara-Smith                          |   Directable Mirror Arrays
C:>WIN                                      | A better way to focus the sun
The computer obeys and wins.                |    licences available see
You lose and Bill collects.                 |    http://www.sohara.org/

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#3521

FromWalter Bushell <proto@panix.com>
Date2011-09-07 09:21 -0400
Message-ID<proto-344AEF.09212807092011@news.panix.com>
In reply to#3518
In article <20110907135024.cc1805fa.steveo@eircom.net>,
 Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:

> On Wed, 07 Sep 2011 08:37:46 -0400
> Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> wrote:
> 
> > Most programmers don't handle LSD well at least for programming even in 
> > the intensive care unit.
> 
> 	What was that quote, something like "Two things were popular at
> Berkeley in the 70s LSD and BSD we think this is not a coincidence".

I thought BSD et. al. were mostly Mary Jane powered.

-- 
Ignorance is no protection against reality. -- Paul J Gans

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#3552

FromBernd Felsche <berfel@innovative.iinet.net.au>
Date2011-09-08 08:42 +0800
Message-ID<6kflj8x5ik.ln2@innovative.iinet.net.au>
In reply to#3521
Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> wrote:
> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>> Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> wrote:

>> > Most programmers don't handle LSD well at least for programming even in 
>> > the intensive care unit.

>> 	What was that quote, something like "Two things were popular at
>> Berkeley in the 70s LSD and BSD we think this is not a coincidence".

>I thought BSD et. al. were mostly Mary Jane powered.

Oh for Joy.
-- 
/"\ Bernd Felsche - Innovative Reckoning, Perth, Western Australia
\ /  ASCII ribbon campaign | For every complex problem there is an
 X   against HTML mail     | answer that is clear, simple, and wrong.
/ \  and postings          |  --HL Mencken

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#3574

Fromjmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com>
Date2011-09-08 14:10 +0000
Message-ID<PM0004AC6EB2DDEEF5@aca29b66.ipt.aol.com>
In reply to#3552
Bernd Felsche wrote:
> Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> wrote:
>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>>> Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> wrote:
>
>>> > Most programmers don't handle LSD well at least for programming even in
>>> > the intensive care unit.
>
>>>     What was that quote, something like "Two things were popular at
>>> Berkeley in the 70s LSD and BSD we think this is not a coincidence".
>
>>I thought BSD et. al. were mostly Mary Jane powered.
>
> Oh for Joy.

ODE for Joy?

/BAH

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#3591

FromQuadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca>
Date2011-09-08 19:09 -0700
Message-ID<b10b483d-90cc-4022-becb-fa379b3aa446@h7g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>
In reply to#3552
On Sep 7, 6:42 pm, Bernd Felsche <ber...@innovative.iinet.net.au>
wrote:

> Oh for Joy.

Oh, for Tuna!
Oh, for Chicken!
Oh, for Liver!

Meow, meow, meow, meow...

that was the joke that occurred to me after hearing a famous classical
work...

before I heard it, I half expected to hear...

Carmina, Carmina
Carmina Burana
Carmina, Carmina
I love you so...

John Savard

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#3491

FromPatrick Scheible <kkt@zipcon.net>
Date2011-09-05 22:50 -0700
Message-ID<86r53u8bi8.fsf@zipcon.net>
In reply to#3406
jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes:

> Patrick Scheible wrote:
>> Stephen Fuld <SFuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> writes:
>>
>>> On 9/2/2011 8:46 AM, Robert Wessel wrote:
>>>
>>> snip
>>>
>>>> But I've always though that some additional formatting in printf
>>>> formatting strings would be an obvious feature to add to C.
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, of course.  While the full functionality of picture clauses might
>>> be nice, A small subset would go a long way.  The single thing I would
>>> most like to see is to make it easy to print numbers with separators
>>> every three characters.  I get so frustrated when I see things like
>>> the output of a profiling program say a routine was executed
>>>
>>> 34587706689349 times.
>>>
>>> It sure makes it hard to read and there is no excuse for that.  I
>>> realize there are issues with commas versus spaces as separators, but
>>> these could be overcome.
>>
>> Even if they use spaces instead of commas, it's still easier to read
>> than no separators at all.
>
> Not spaces..  Which do you chose?  The American use of comma or
> the European use of period?  In one side of the pond, the period
> implies fractions.  We couldn't decide in the 70s.

You can usually figure out what's being used by looking....

-- Patrick

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#3501

Fromjmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com>
Date2011-09-06 13:45 +0000
Message-ID<PM0004AC4632233713@aca2887d.ipt.aol.com>
In reply to#3491
Patrick Scheible wrote:
> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes:
>
>> Patrick Scheible wrote:
>>> Stephen Fuld <SFuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> writes:
>>>
>>>> On 9/2/2011 8:46 AM, Robert Wessel wrote:
>>>>
>>>> snip
>>>>
>>>>> But I've always though that some additional formatting in printf
>>>>> formatting strings would be an obvious feature to add to C.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, of course.  While the full functionality of picture clauses might
>>>> be nice, A small subset would go a long way.  The single thing I would
>>>> most like to see is to make it easy to print numbers with separators
>>>> every three characters.  I get so frustrated when I see things like
>>>> the output of a profiling program say a routine was executed
>>>>
>>>> 34587706689349 times.
>>>>
>>>> It sure makes it hard to read and there is no excuse for that.  I
>>>> realize there are issues with commas versus spaces as separators, but
>>>> these could be overcome.
>>>
>>> Even if they use spaces instead of commas, it's still easier to read
>>> than no separators at all.
>>
>> Not spaces..  Which do you chose?  The American use of comma or
>> the European use of period?  In one side of the pond, the period
>> implies fractions.  We couldn't decide in the 70s.
>
> You can usually figure out what's being used by looking....

With what?  A divining rod?  ;-)

/BAH

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#3502

FromPatrick Scheible <kkt@zipcon.net>
Date2011-09-06 09:08 -0700
Message-ID<8662l5d579.fsf@zipcon.net>
In reply to#3501
jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes:

> Patrick Scheible wrote:
>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes:
>>
>>> Patrick Scheible wrote:
>>>> Stephen Fuld <SFuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> On 9/2/2011 8:46 AM, Robert Wessel wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> snip
>>>>>
>>>>>> But I've always though that some additional formatting in printf
>>>>>> formatting strings would be an obvious feature to add to C.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, of course.  While the full functionality of picture clauses might
>>>>> be nice, A small subset would go a long way.  The single thing I would
>>>>> most like to see is to make it easy to print numbers with separators
>>>>> every three characters.  I get so frustrated when I see things like
>>>>> the output of a profiling program say a routine was executed
>>>>>
>>>>> 34587706689349 times.
>>>>>
>>>>> It sure makes it hard to read and there is no excuse for that.  I
>>>>> realize there are issues with commas versus spaces as separators, but
>>>>> these could be overcome.
>>>>
>>>> Even if they use spaces instead of commas, it's still easier to read
>>>> than no separators at all.
>>>
>>> Not spaces..  Which do you chose?  The American use of comma or
>>> the European use of period?  In one side of the pond, the period
>>> implies fractions.  We couldn't decide in the 70s.
>>
>> You can usually figure out what's being used by looking....
>
> With what?  A divining rod?  ;-)

If there are two different separator symbols in use, the one on the
right is the decimal and the one(s) on the left are separating thousands
from hundreds, millions from hundred thousands, etc.

If the same separator symbol is used more than once, it's separating
thousands from hundreds, etc.

If the separator symbol is used exactly once, if it's not between the
third and the fourth digit from the right, it's a decimal point.

It's only ambiguous if the number could have an integer value between
1,000 and 999,999 or could have a decimal value between 1.000 and
999.999.  (In that case, you look through the same table or document for
another number that isn't in the ambiguous range.

-- Patrick

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#3523

Fromjmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com>
Date2011-09-07 14:13 +0000
Message-ID<PM0004AC5AA2D6B44C@ac814024.ipt.aol.com>
In reply to#3502
Patrick Scheible wrote:
> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes:
>
>> Patrick Scheible wrote:
>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> Patrick Scheible wrote:
>>>>> Stephen Fuld <SFuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/2/2011 8:46 AM, Robert Wessel wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> snip
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But I've always though that some additional formatting in printf
>>>>>>> formatting strings would be an obvious feature to add to C.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, of course.  While the full functionality of picture clauses might
>>>>>> be nice, A small subset would go a long way.  The single thing I would
>>>>>> most like to see is to make it easy to print numbers with separators
>>>>>> every three characters.  I get so frustrated when I see things like
>>>>>> the output of a profiling program say a routine was executed
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 34587706689349 times.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It sure makes it hard to read and there is no excuse for that.  I
>>>>>> realize there are issues with commas versus spaces as separators, but
>>>>>> these could be overcome.
>>>>>
>>>>> Even if they use spaces instead of commas, it's still easier to read
>>>>> than no separators at all.
>>>>
>>>> Not spaces..  Which do you chose?  The American use of comma or
>>>> the European use of period?  In one side of the pond, the period
>>>> implies fractions.  We couldn't decide in the 70s.
>>>
>>> You can usually figure out what's being used by looking....
>>
>> With what?  A divining rod?  ;-)
>
> If there are two different separator symbols in use, the one on the
> right is the decimal and the one(s) on the left are separating thousands
> from hundreds, millions from hundred thousands, etc.
>
> If the same separator symbol is used more than once, it's separating
> thousands from hundreds, etc.
>
> If the separator symbol is used exactly once, if it's not between the
> third and the fourth digit from the right, it's a decimal point.
>
> It's only ambiguous if the number could have an integer value between
> 1,000 and 999,999 or could have a decimal value between 1.000 and
> 999.999.  (In that case, you look through the same table or document for
> another number that isn't in the ambiguous range.

Or there's a typo.  In my working life, that happened a lot.  So how do
you make a guess?

/BAH

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#3528

FromPatrick Scheible <kkt@zipcon.net>
Date2011-09-07 09:42 -0700
Message-ID<86ty8ol2xk.fsf@zipcon.net>
In reply to#3523
jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes:

> Patrick Scheible wrote:
>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes:
>>
>>> Patrick Scheible wrote:
>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> Patrick Scheible wrote:
>>>>>> Stephen Fuld <SFuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9/2/2011 8:46 AM, Robert Wessel wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> snip
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But I've always though that some additional formatting in printf
>>>>>>>> formatting strings would be an obvious feature to add to C.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, of course.  While the full functionality of picture clauses might
>>>>>>> be nice, A small subset would go a long way.  The single thing I would
>>>>>>> most like to see is to make it easy to print numbers with separators
>>>>>>> every three characters.  I get so frustrated when I see things like
>>>>>>> the output of a profiling program say a routine was executed
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 34587706689349 times.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It sure makes it hard to read and there is no excuse for that.  I
>>>>>>> realize there are issues with commas versus spaces as separators, but
>>>>>>> these could be overcome.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Even if they use spaces instead of commas, it's still easier to read
>>>>>> than no separators at all.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not spaces..  Which do you chose?  The American use of comma or
>>>>> the European use of period?  In one side of the pond, the period
>>>>> implies fractions.  We couldn't decide in the 70s.
>>>>
>>>> You can usually figure out what's being used by looking....
>>>
>>> With what?  A divining rod?  ;-)
>>
>> If there are two different separator symbols in use, the one on the
>> right is the decimal and the one(s) on the left are separating thousands
>> from hundreds, millions from hundred thousands, etc.
>>
>> If the same separator symbol is used more than once, it's separating
>> thousands from hundreds, etc.
>>
>> If the separator symbol is used exactly once, if it's not between the
>> third and the fourth digit from the right, it's a decimal point.
>>
>> It's only ambiguous if the number could have an integer value between
>> 1,000 and 999,999 or could have a decimal value between 1.000 and
>> 999.999.  (In that case, you look through the same table or document for
>> another number that isn't in the ambiguous range.
>
> Or there's a typo.  In my working life, that happened a lot.  So how do
> you make a guess?

I don't know of any way to tell for sure if what you are looking at is a
typo.

-- Patrick

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#3554

FromBernd Felsche <berfel@innovative.iinet.net.au>
Date2011-09-08 09:05 +0800
Message-ID<n0hlj8x5ik.ln2@innovative.iinet.net.au>
In reply to#3528
Patrick Scheible <kkt@zipcon.net> wrote:
>jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes:

>> Or there's a typo.  In my working life, that happened a lot.  So how do
>> you make a guess?

>I don't know of any way to tell for sure if what you are looking at is a
>typo.

Pick a number between one and ten.
OK.

Is it 5?
No
Is it 4?
No
Is it 10?
No
Is it 1?
No
Is it 3?
No
Is it 2?
No
Is it 8?
No
9?
No
7?
No
6?
No

?? I asked you to pick a number between one and ten ... it's got to
be one of them!

e-squared is between one and ten, isn't it?
-- 
/"\ Bernd Felsche - Innovative Reckoning, Perth, Western Australia
\ /  ASCII ribbon campaign | For every complex problem there is an
 X   against HTML mail     | answer that is clear, simple, and wrong.
/ \  and postings          |  --HL Mencken

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#3573

Fromjmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com>
Date2011-09-08 14:10 +0000
Message-ID<PM0004AC6E9E256324@aca29b66.ipt.aol.com>
In reply to#3528
Patrick Scheible wrote:
> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes:
>
>> Patrick Scheible wrote:
>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> Patrick Scheible wrote:
>>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Patrick Scheible wrote:
>>>>>>> Stephen Fuld <SFuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> writes:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 9/2/2011 8:46 AM, Robert Wessel wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> snip
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But I've always though that some additional formatting in printf
>>>>>>>>> formatting strings would be an obvious feature to add to C.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, of course.  While the full functionality of picture clauses
might
>>>>>>>> be nice, A small subset would go a long way.  The single thing I
would
>>>>>>>> most like to see is to make it easy to print numbers with separators
>>>>>>>> every three characters.  I get so frustrated when I see things like
>>>>>>>> the output of a profiling program say a routine was executed
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 34587706689349 times.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It sure makes it hard to read and there is no excuse for that.  I
>>>>>>>> realize there are issues with commas versus spaces as separators, but
>>>>>>>> these could be overcome.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Even if they use spaces instead of commas, it's still easier to read
>>>>>>> than no separators at all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not spaces..  Which do you chose?  The American use of comma or
>>>>>> the European use of period?  In one side of the pond, the period
>>>>>> implies fractions.  We couldn't decide in the 70s.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can usually figure out what's being used by looking....
>>>>
>>>> With what?  A divining rod?  ;-)
>>>
>>> If there are two different separator symbols in use, the one on the
>>> right is the decimal and the one(s) on the left are separating thousands
>>> from hundreds, millions from hundred thousands, etc.
>>>
>>> If the same separator symbol is used more than once, it's separating
>>> thousands from hundreds, etc.
>>>
>>> If the separator symbol is used exactly once, if it's not between the
>>> third and the fourth digit from the right, it's a decimal point.
>>>
>>> It's only ambiguous if the number could have an integer value between
>>> 1,000 and 999,999 or could have a decimal value between 1.000 and
>>> 999.999.  (In that case, you look through the same table or document for
>>> another number that isn't in the ambiguous range.
>>
>> Or there's a typo.  In my working life, that happened a lot.  So how do
>> you make a guess?
>
> I don't know of any way to tell for sure if what you are looking at is a
> typo.

<grin>  When I did that kind of work, I learned to sense those kinds of
errors.  If it was my typo, I could fix it to match what was written.
If it was the other guy's error, I had to know if that's what he meant
or if it was a goof.

/BAH

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#3537

From"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
Date2011-09-08 04:49 +1000
Message-ID<9cpsl3FihtU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#3523
jmfbahciv wrote
> Patrick Scheible wrote
>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote
>>> Patrick Scheible wrote
>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote
>>>>> Patrick Scheible wrote
>>>>>> Stephen Fuld <SFuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> wrote
>>>>>>> Robert Wessel wrote

>>>>>>>> But I've always though that some additional formatting in printf
>>>>>>>> formatting strings would be an obvious feature to add to C.

>>>>>>> Yes, of course.  While the full functionality of picture
>>>>>>> clauses might be nice, A small subset would go a long way.  The
>>>>>>> single thing I would most like to see is to make it easy to
>>>>>>> print numbers with separators every three characters.  I get so
>>>>>>> frustrated when I see things like the output of a profiling
>>>>>>> program say a routine was executed

>>>>>>> 34587706689349 times.

>>>>>>> It sure makes it hard to read and there is no excuse for that.
>>>>>>> I realize there are issues with commas versus spaces as
>>>>>>> separators, but these could be overcome.

>>>>>> Even if they use spaces instead of commas, it's still easier to
>>>>>> read than no separators at all.

>>>>> Not spaces..  Which do you chose?  The American use of comma or
>>>>> the European use of period?  In one side of the pond, the period
>>>>> implies fractions.  We couldn't decide in the 70s.

>>>> You can usually figure out what's being used by looking....

>>> With what?  A divining rod?  ;-)

>> If there are two different separator symbols in use, the one on
>> the right is the decimal and the one(s) on the left are separating
>> thousands from hundreds, millions from hundred thousands, etc.

>> If the same separator symbol is used more than once, it's separating
>> thousands from hundreds, etc.

>> If the separator symbol is used exactly once, if it's not between the
>> third and the fourth digit from the right, it's a decimal point.

>> It's only ambiguous if the number could have an integer value between
>> 1,000 and 999,999 or could have a decimal value between 1.000 and
>> 999.999.  (In that case, you look through the same table or document
>> for another number that isn't in the ambiguous range.

> Or there's a typo.  In my working life, that happened a lot.  So how do you make a guess?

There's normally enough numbers to make a typo stand out like dogs balls.

And its usually obvious who is likely to be using the european radix separator anyway.

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#3568

Fromjmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com>
Date2011-09-08 14:09 +0000
Message-ID<PM0004AC6EA3E30930@aca29b66.ipt.aol.com>
In reply to#3537
Rod Speed wrote:
> jmfbahciv wrote
>> Patrick Scheible wrote
>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote
>>>> Patrick Scheible wrote
>>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote
>>>>>> Patrick Scheible wrote
>>>>>>> Stephen Fuld <SFuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> wrote
>>>>>>>> Robert Wessel wrote
>
>>>>>>>>> But I've always though that some additional formatting in printf
>>>>>>>>> formatting strings would be an obvious feature to add to C.
>
>>>>>>>> Yes, of course.  While the full functionality of picture
>>>>>>>> clauses might be nice, A small subset would go a long way.  The
>>>>>>>> single thing I would most like to see is to make it easy to
>>>>>>>> print numbers with separators every three characters.  I get so
>>>>>>>> frustrated when I see things like the output of a profiling
>>>>>>>> program say a routine was executed
>
>>>>>>>> 34587706689349 times.
>
>>>>>>>> It sure makes it hard to read and there is no excuse for that.
>>>>>>>> I realize there are issues with commas versus spaces as
>>>>>>>> separators, but these could be overcome.
>
>>>>>>> Even if they use spaces instead of commas, it's still easier to
>>>>>>> read than no separators at all.
>
>>>>>> Not spaces..  Which do you chose?  The American use of comma or
>>>>>> the European use of period?  In one side of the pond, the period
>>>>>> implies fractions.  We couldn't decide in the 70s.
>
>>>>> You can usually figure out what's being used by looking....
>
>>>> With what?  A divining rod?  ;-)
>
>>> If there are two different separator symbols in use, the one on
>>> the right is the decimal and the one(s) on the left are separating
>>> thousands from hundreds, millions from hundred thousands, etc.
>
>>> If the same separator symbol is used more than once, it's separating
>>> thousands from hundreds, etc.
>
>>> If the separator symbol is used exactly once, if it's not between the
>>> third and the fourth digit from the right, it's a decimal point.
>
>>> It's only ambiguous if the number could have an integer value between
>>> 1,000 and 999,999 or could have a decimal value between 1.000 and
>>> 999.999.  (In that case, you look through the same table or document
>>> for another number that isn't in the ambiguous range.
>
>> Or there's a typo.  In my working life, that happened a lot.  So how do you
make a guess?
>
> There's normally enough numbers to make a typo stand out like dogs balls.

Not always.

>
> And its usually obvious who is likely to be using the european radix
separator anyway.
>
>
Or trying to learn American.

/BAH

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#3584

From"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
Date2011-09-09 03:17 +1000
Message-ID<9csbl1Ft9lU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#3568
jmfbahciv wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> jmfbahciv wrote
>>> Patrick Scheible wrote
>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote
>>>>> Patrick Scheible wrote
>>>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote
>>>>>>> Patrick Scheible wrote
>>>>>>>> Stephen Fuld <SFuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> wrote
>>>>>>>>> Robert Wessel wrote

>>>>>>>>>> But I've always though that some additional formatting in printf
>>>>>>>>>> formatting strings would be an obvious feature to add to C.

>>>>>>>>> Yes, of course.  While the full functionality of picture
>>>>>>>>> clauses might be nice, A small subset would go a long way.
>>>>>>>>> The single thing I would most like to see is to make it easy
>>>>>>>>> to print numbers with separators every three characters.  I
>>>>>>>>> get so frustrated when I see things like the output of a
>>>>>>>>> profiling program say a routine was executed

>>>>>>>>> 34587706689349 times.

>>>>>>>>> It sure makes it hard to read and there is no excuse for that.
>>>>>>>>> I realize there are issues with commas versus spaces as
>>>>>>>>> separators, but these could be overcome.

>>>>>>>> Even if they use spaces instead of commas, it's still easier to
>>>>>>>> read than no separators at all.

>>>>>>> Not spaces..  Which do you chose?  The American use of comma or
>>>>>>> the European use of period?  In one side of the pond, the period
>>>>>>> implies fractions.  We couldn't decide in the 70s.

>>>>>> You can usually figure out what's being used by looking....

>>>>> With what?  A divining rod?  ;-)

>>>> If there are two different separator symbols in use, the one on
>>>> the right is the decimal and the one(s) on the left are separating
>>>> thousands from hundreds, millions from hundred thousands, etc.

>>>> If the same separator symbol is used more than once, it's
>>>> separating thousands from hundreds, etc.

>>>> If the separator symbol is used exactly once, if it's not between
>>>> the third and the fourth digit from the right, it's a decimal point.

>>>> It's only ambiguous if the number could have an integer value
>>>> between 1,000 and 999,999 or could have a decimal value between
>>>> 1.000 and 999.999.  (In that case, you look through the same table
>>>> or document for another number that isn't in the ambiguous range.

>>> Or there's a typo.  In my working life, that happened a lot.  So
>>> how do you make a guess?

>> There's normally enough numbers to make a typo stand out like dogs balls.

> Not always.

I used the word normally for a reason.

There isnt too much stuff with just a single number with a radix
separator or thousands separator and no numbers with both,
so like I said, a typousually stands out like dogs balls.

>> And its usually obvious who is likely to be using the european radix separator anyway.

> Or trying to learn American.

You dont see much of that either, they mostly keep using their native style. 

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#3609

FromGene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net>
Date2011-09-10 23:07 -0700
Message-ID<1ujo67tm36vc0h2nd6vfh6bbtlakifrjqu@4ax.com>
In reply to#3502
On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 09:08:10 -0700, Patrick Scheible <kkt@zipcon.net>
wrote:

>jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes:
>
>> Patrick Scheible wrote:
>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> Patrick Scheible wrote:
>>>>> Stephen Fuld <SFuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/2/2011 8:46 AM, Robert Wessel wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> snip
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But I've always though that some additional formatting in printf
>>>>>>> formatting strings would be an obvious feature to add to C.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, of course.  While the full functionality of picture clauses might
>>>>>> be nice, A small subset would go a long way.  The single thing I would
>>>>>> most like to see is to make it easy to print numbers with separators
>>>>>> every three characters.  I get so frustrated when I see things like
>>>>>> the output of a profiling program say a routine was executed
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 34587706689349 times.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It sure makes it hard to read and there is no excuse for that.  I
>>>>>> realize there are issues with commas versus spaces as separators, but
>>>>>> these could be overcome.
>>>>>
>>>>> Even if they use spaces instead of commas, it's still easier to read
>>>>> than no separators at all.
>>>>
>>>> Not spaces..  Which do you chose?  The American use of comma or
>>>> the European use of period?  In one side of the pond, the period
>>>> implies fractions.  We couldn't decide in the 70s.
>>>
>>> You can usually figure out what's being used by looking....
>>
>> With what?  A divining rod?  ;-)
>
>If there are two different separator symbols in use, the one on the
>right is the decimal and the one(s) on the left are separating thousands
>from hundreds, millions from hundred thousands, etc.
>
>If the same separator symbol is used more than once, it's separating
>thousands from hundreds, etc.
>
>If the separator symbol is used exactly once, if it's not between the
>third and the fourth digit from the right, it's a decimal point.
>
>It's only ambiguous if the number could have an integer value between
>1,000 and 999,999 or could have a decimal value between 1.000 and
>999.999.  (In that case, you look through the same table or document for
>another number that isn't in the ambiguous range.

     Try
          999.999,999
Is it 999 and 999 thousand 999 millionths or 999 thousand 999 and 999
thousandths?

Sincerely,

Gene wirchenko

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#3611

FromAhem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net>
Date2011-09-11 09:06 +0100
Message-ID<20110911090645.3b2b1f68.steveo@eircom.net>
In reply to#3609
On Sat, 10 Sep 2011 23:07:43 -0700
Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> wrote:

>      Try
>           999.999,999
> Is it 999 and 999 thousand 999 millionths or 999 thousand 999 and 999
> thousandths?

	I have never seen separators after the decimal point, so it's
the latter.

-- 
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