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Concertina IV Has Arrived

Started byquadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid>
First post2026-05-19 20:14 +0000
Last post2026-05-30 19:03 +0000
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  Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-19 20:14 +0000
    Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-20 00:03 +0000
      Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-20 00:34 +0000
      Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-20 01:35 +0000
        Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-20 02:09 +0000
          Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-20 02:26 +0000
          Byte order and BCD (was: Concertina IV Has Arrived) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-05-20 05:38 +0000
            Re: Byte order and BCD (was: Concertina IV Has Arrived) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-05-20 08:10 +0000
              Re: Byte order and BCD (was: Concertina IV Has Arrived) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-05-20 08:36 +0000
                Re: Byte order and BCD (was: Concertina IV Has Arrived) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-05-20 10:37 +0000
                  Re: Byte order and BCD (was: Concertina IV Has Arrived) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-05-20 11:04 +0000
                    Re: Byte order and BCD (was: Concertina IV Has Arrived) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-05-20 17:01 +0000
                      Re: Byte order and BCD (was: Concertina IV Has Arrived) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-05-20 17:30 +0000
            Re: Byte order and BCD (was: Concertina IV Has Arrived) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-05-20 15:03 +0000
              Re: Byte order and BCD (was: Concertina IV Has Arrived) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-05-20 18:07 +0000
                Re: Byte order and BCD (was: Concertina IV Has Arrived) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-05-20 19:03 +0000
                  Re: Byte order and BCD Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-05-20 21:45 +0200
                    Re: Byte order and BCD scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-05-21 14:36 +0000
                Re: Byte order and BCD (was: Concertina IV Has Arrived) quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-20 22:50 +0000
                  Re: Byte order and BCD (was: Concertina IV Has Arrived) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-05-21 00:37 +0000
                    Re: Byte order and BCD (was: Concertina IV Has Arrived) quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-21 02:18 +0000
                      Re: Byte order and BCD (was: Concertina IV Has Arrived) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-05-21 06:29 +0000
                      Re: ancient virtual memory, Byte order and BCD (was: Concertina IV Has Arrived) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-05-21 15:41 +0000
            Re: Byte order and BCD (was: Concertina IV Has Arrived) quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-20 15:28 +0000
              Re: Byte order and BCD (was: Concertina IV Has Arrived) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-05-20 15:42 +0000
                Re: Byte order and BCD (was: Concertina IV Has Arrived) quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-20 17:25 +0000
                  Re: Byte order and BCD (was: Concertina IV Has Arrived) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-05-21 11:52 +0000
                Re: Byte order and BCD Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-05-20 21:33 +0200
                  Re: Byte order and BCD anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-05-21 10:29 +0000
                    Re: Byte order and BCD anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-05-21 12:04 +0000
            Re: Byte order and BCD (was: Concertina IV Has Arrived) quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-06-03 00:41 +0000
              Re: Byte order and BCD (was: Concertina IV Has Arrived) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-06-03 17:13 +0000
          Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived Bernd Linsel <bl1-thispartdoesnotbelonghere@gmx.com> - 2026-05-20 10:42 +0200
            Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-05-20 15:32 +0000
            Re: BCD, was Concertina IV Has Arrived John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-05-20 17:47 +0000
              Re: BCD, was Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-06-01 01:14 +0000
                Re: BCD, was Concertina IV Has Arrived John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-06-01 02:20 +0000
                  2s-complement and byte order (was: BCD) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-06-01 07:47 +0000
                    Re: 2s-complement and byte order (was: BCD) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-06-01 16:04 +0000
                      Re: 2s-complement and byte order (was: BCD) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-06-01 18:01 +0000
                        Re: 2s-complement and byte order (was: BCD) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-06-01 18:26 +0000
                          Re: 2s-complement and byte order (was: BCD) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-06-02 01:22 +0000
                            Re: 2s-complement and byte order (was: BCD) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-06-02 01:57 +0000
                              Re: 2s-complement and byte order (was: BCD) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-06-02 17:04 +0000
                    Re: 2s-complement and byte order (was: BCD) quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-06-01 18:08 +0000
                    Re: 2s-complement and byte order (was: BCD) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-06-01 18:13 +0000
                  Re: BCD, was Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-06-01 17:59 +0000
                    Re: BCD, was Concertina IV Has Arrived John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-06-01 20:00 +0000
                      Re: BCD, was Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-06-01 21:57 +0000
                byte order (was: BCD) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-06-01 08:36 +0000
              Re: BCD, was Concertina IV Has Arrived jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) - 2026-06-02 14:00 +0100
                Re: BCD, was Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-06-02 14:54 +0000
                  Re: BCD, was Concertina IV Has Arrived scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-06-02 16:13 +0000
                  Re: BCD, was Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-06-02 17:13 +0000
                    Re: BCD, was Concertina IV Has Arrived Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-06-02 18:25 +0000
                      Re: BCD, was Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-06-02 19:07 +0000
                    Re: BCD, was Concertina IV Has Arrived Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-06-02 11:44 -0700
                      Re: BCD, was Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-06-02 19:37 +0000
                    Re: BCD, was Concertina IV Has Arrived EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2026-06-03 08:29 -0400
                Re: BCD, was Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-06-02 17:09 +0000
                bit order and byte order (was: BCD) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-06-02 15:59 +0000
                  Re: bit order and byte order (was: BCD) quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-06-03 00:37 +0000
                    Re: bit order and byte order (was: BCD) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-06-03 17:44 +0000
                  Re: bit order and byte order (was: BCD) George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-06-03 19:05 -0400
                    Re: bit order and byte order (was: BCD) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-06-04 12:45 +0000
                Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-06-02 22:00 +0000
                  Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-06-03 00:21 +0000
                    Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-06-03 01:03 +0000
                      Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-06-03 01:52 +0000
                    Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-06-03 13:54 +0000
                      Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-06-03 15:33 +0000
                        Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-06-03 17:36 +0000
                          Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina "Brian G. Lucas" <bagel99@gmail.com> - 2026-06-04 11:53 -0500
                        Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-06-03 19:22 +0000
                          Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) - 2026-09-05 22:10 +0100
                            Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-06 09:20 +0000
                              Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-06 11:47 +0200
                                Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-06 12:17 +0000
                                  Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-06 15:24 +0200
                                    Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-06 14:41 +0000
                                      Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-06 19:20 +0200
                                        Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-06 23:51 +0000
                                          Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-07 10:10 +0200
                                            Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-07 18:22 +0000
                                              Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-07 23:24 +0200
                                                Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-07 22:00 +0000
                                                  Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-08 11:25 +0200
                                          Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-08 16:02 +0000
                                            Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-08 20:32 +0200
                                            Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-08 19:03 +0000
                                              Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-08 20:59 +0000
                                      Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-07 02:40 +0000
                              Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) - 2026-09-06 19:33 +0100
                              Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-09-07 15:57 +0000
                                Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-07 17:00 +0000
                                  Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-09-08 13:24 +0000
                        Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-05 08:17 +0000
                          Re: endian history quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-09-05 13:52 +0000
                            Re: endian history Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-05 15:58 +0200
                              Re: endian history Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-05 14:55 +0000
                                Re: endian history Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-05 17:24 +0200
                                  Re: endian history MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-05 16:57 +0000
                                    Re: endian history quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-09-06 02:06 +0000
                                      Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-06 07:04 +0000
                                        Re: endian history quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-09-06 18:38 +0000
                                          Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-06 21:50 +0000
                                            Re: endian history quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-09-08 02:33 +0000
                                              Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-08 03:46 +0000
                                                Re: endian history quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-09-08 17:31 +0000
                                                  Re: endian history MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-08 20:13 +0000
                                                  Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-09 00:22 +0000
                                                    Re: endian history quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-09-09 01:10 +0000
                                                      Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-09 01:33 +0000
                                                      Re: endian history David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-09 11:06 +0200
                                                  Re: endian history Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-09-08 23:57 -0400
                                          Re: endian history MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-06 23:57 +0000
                                            Re: endian history Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-09-06 17:31 -0700
                                              Re: endian history Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-09-06 21:46 -0700
                                                Re: endian history Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-09-07 13:57 +0800
                                                Re: endian history Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-07 15:23 -0700
                                                  OT writing direction Re: endian history Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-09-07 20:15 -0700
                                                    Re: OT writing direction Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-08 03:44 +0000
                                                    Re: OT writing direction Re: endian history MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-08 17:23 +0000
                                                    Re: OT writing direction Re: endian history Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-15 07:49 -0700
                                                      Re: OT writing direction Re: endian history Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-09-15 10:09 -0700
                                                        Re: OT writing direction Re: endian history Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-20 07:14 -0700
                                                  Re: endian history MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-08 17:16 +0000
                                                  Re: endian history George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-09-09 20:22 -0400
                                                    Re: endian history MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-10 01:25 +0000
                                                      Re: endian history Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-10 12:09 +0200
                                                    Re: endian history Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-15 09:19 -0700
                                            Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-07 02:35 +0000
                                              Re: endian history MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-07 18:14 +0000
                                            Re: endian history Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-07 05:05 +0000
                                            Re: endian history David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-07 10:32 +0200
                                            Re: endian history quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-09-08 02:36 +0000
                                              Re: endian history Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-09-07 20:21 -0700
                                                Re: endian history David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-08 11:32 +0200
                                                  Re: endian history Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-09-08 08:31 -0700
                                            Re: endian history Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-09-17 10:23 +0200
                                        Re: endian history Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-07 15:25 -0700
                                    Re: endian history scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-06 13:57 +0000
                                      Re: endian history BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-09-06 12:41 -0500
                                        Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-06 21:53 +0000
                                          Re: endian history MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-07 00:12 +0000
                                            Re: endian history BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-09-06 23:34 -0500
                                            Re: endian history anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-08 10:29 +0000
                                      Re: endian history Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-07 13:56 +0200
                                        Re: endian history Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-07 23:54 +0300
                                          Re: endian history Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-08 05:07 +0000
                                          Re: endian history Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-08 21:14 +0200
                                Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-05 21:16 +0000
                                  Re: endian history quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-09-06 01:55 +0000
                                    Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-06 02:09 +0000
                                      Re: endian history quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-09-06 18:28 +0000
                                        Re: endian history MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-06 23:54 +0000
                                        Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-07 02:44 +0000
                                    Re: endian history MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-06 15:39 +0000
                            Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-06 07:07 +0000
                              Re: endian history scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-06 14:00 +0000
                              Re: endian history antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-09-07 20:24 +0000
                                Re: endian history Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-09-07 16:58 -0700
                                  Re: endian history quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-09-08 02:47 +0000
                                    Re: endian history Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-09-07 20:23 -0700
                                    Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-08 03:49 +0000
                                  Re: endian history scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-08 16:00 +0000
                                Re: endian history quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-09-08 02:45 +0000
                                  Re: endian history John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-09-08 08:38 +0000
                                    Re: endian history quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-09-09 01:12 +0000
                                  Re: endian history anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-08 10:56 +0000
                                    Re: endian history John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-09-08 13:34 +0000
                                      Re: endian history Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-08 21:23 +0200
                                      Re: endian history anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-09 08:04 +0000
                                        Re: endian history Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-09 23:21 +0200
                                          Base64 ISA (was: endian history) Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-09-14 12:39 -0400
                                            Re: Base64 ISA Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-15 11:26 +0200
                                    Re: endian history Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-08 19:30 +0000
                                      Re: endian history anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-09 08:22 +0000
                                      Re: endian history Paul Clayton <paaronclayton@gmail.com> - 2026-09-13 14:55 -0400
                                        Re: endian history Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-09-14 10:29 -0700
                                          Re: endian history Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-15 11:32 +0200
                                          Re: endian history Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-15 08:53 -0700
                                        Re: endian history Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-14 17:32 +0000
                                          Re: endian history Paul Clayton <paaronclayton@gmail.com> - 2026-09-23 21:09 -0400
                                            Re: endian history scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-28 15:09 +0000
                                        Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-14 23:29 +0000
                                          Re: endian history Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-15 12:49 +0200
                                            Re: endian history anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-15 13:01 +0000
                                              Re: endian history Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-15 16:51 +0200
                                        Re: endian history antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-09-16 04:41 +0000
                                          Re: endian history Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-16 05:53 +0000
                                            Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-16 07:52 +0000
                                              Re: endian history Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-09-16 07:29 -0700
                                                Re: endian history scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-16 15:49 +0000
                                          Re: endian history Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-09-16 10:48 +0200
                                            Re: endian history Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-16 16:21 +0200
                                              Re: endian history Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-18 00:38 -0700
                                                Re: endian history Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-18 17:29 +0300
                                                  Re: endian history Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-18 16:48 +0200
                                                Re: endian history Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-18 16:47 +0200
                                                  Re: endian history Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-18 15:36 -0700
                                                    Re: endian history Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-22 19:51 +0200
                                                      Re: endian history Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-23 08:28 -0700
                                                        Re: endian history Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-23 18:01 +0200
                                                          Re: endian history Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-23 10:47 -0700
                                                        Re: endian history MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-23 18:41 +0000
                                                          Re: endian history Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-23 13:15 -0700
                                                            Re: endian history Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-24 15:09 +0200
                                                              Re: endian history Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-25 02:47 -0700
                                                            Re: endian history MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-24 17:00 +0000
                                                              Re: endian history scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-24 18:35 +0000
                                                              Re: endian history Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-25 03:19 -0700
                                                              Re: endian history Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-26 07:41 +0000
                                                                Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-27 02:48 +0000
                                                                  Re: endian history Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2026-09-26 23:49 -0400
                                                                    Re: endian history Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:06 +0300
                                                                      Re: endian history Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2026-09-27 06:14 -0400
                                                                        Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-27 23:57 +0000
                                                                          Re: endian history Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-28 14:33 +0200
                                                                        Re: endian history David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-28 10:38 +0200
                                                                          Re: endian history anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-28 08:50 +0000
                                                                            Re: endian history David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-28 11:23 +0200
                                                                            Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-28 22:50 +0000
                                                                              Re: endian history anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-29 06:11 +0000
                                                                    Re: endian history MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:47 +0000
                                                                      Re: endian history John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-09-27 18:21 +0000
                                                                        Re: endian history scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-28 15:13 +0000
                                                                    Re: endian history Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-28 13:05 -0700
                                                                  Re: endian history David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-27 16:56 +0200
                                                                  Re: endian history Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-09-27 20:01 -0700
                                                                    Re: endian history Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-28 06:14 +0000
                                                                      Re: arithmetic and endian history John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-09-28 14:08 +0000
                                                                        Re: arithmetic and endian history anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-28 16:54 +0000
                                                                          Re: arithmetic and endian history John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-09-28 21:46 +0000
                                                                            Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-29 08:01 +0000
                                                                              Re: Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-29 14:26 +0000
                                                                              Re: Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-29 17:21 +0000
                                                                                Re: Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-29 17:28 +0000
                                                                                Re: Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-09-29 20:16 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-01 09:00 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-01 09:30 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-01 06:49 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-01 15:05 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-10-01 16:04 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-10-02 01:30 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-01 19:27 -0700
                                                                                              Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-10-02 02:45 +0000
                                                                                                Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-10-02 09:53 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-10-02 19:10 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-03 17:18 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-10-03 19:54 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-03 20:49 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-10-03 22:05 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-04 08:09 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-04 15:14 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-10-04 18:29 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-06 08:29 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-06 03:20 -0700
                                                                                                          Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-10-06 17:24 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-12 01:46 -0700
                                                                                                              Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-10-12 17:37 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-13 21:57 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-14 07:50 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-14 23:08 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-03 19:55 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-04 06:50 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-04 15:11 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-10-04 19:38 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-06 07:30 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-10-06 18:07 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-06 21:17 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-10-06 23:30 +0200
                                                                                                                  Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-07 10:16 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-10-07 19:53 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-10-03 23:49 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-10-04 01:04 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-04 07:47 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-10-04 18:02 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-11-02 09:45 -0800
                                                                                                          Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-11-02 10:12 -0800
                                                                                                          Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-02 18:43 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-11-02 20:00 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-11-02 20:28 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-11-03 01:34 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-11-03 08:35 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-11-02 20:25 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-11-05 23:36 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-06 03:22 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-11-06 06:24 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-11-06 12:08 +0100
                                                                                                                    Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-11-06 15:08 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-11-06 20:50 +0100
                                                                                                                  Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-11-06 16:50 +0100
                                                                                                                  Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-06 19:22 +0000
                                                                                                                    carry-in (was: two's complement and Flags) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-11-07 07:41 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: carry-in (was: two's complement and Flags) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-11-07 12:09 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: carry-in (was: two's complement and Flags) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-11-07 16:19 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: carry-in (was: two's complement and Flags) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-11-07 18:20 +0000
                                                                                                                            6502 vs Z80 (was: carry-in) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-11-07 18:35 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: carry-in (was: two's complement and Flags) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-07 22:38 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: carry-in antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-11-08 18:52 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: carry-in Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-11-07 10:17 -0800
                                                                                                                        Re: carry-in in history John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-07 19:00 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: carry-in Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-07 22:37 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: carry-in (was: two's complement and Flags) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-07 18:44 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: carry-in (was: two's complement and Flags) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-07 22:33 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: carry-in (was: two's complement and Flags) George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-11-08 02:55 -0500
                                                                                                                          Re: carry-in Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2026-11-08 07:50 -0500
                                                                                                                      Re: carry-in (was: two's complement and Flags) quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-11-09 02:09 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-11-06 15:28 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-07 02:36 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-11-07 13:52 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-11-06 10:51 -0800
                                                                                                          Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-11-02 19:14 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-11-02 20:37 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-11-03 01:36 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-11-03 15:09 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-11-03 06:59 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-11-04 03:01 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-04 03:36 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-03 02:39 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-11-04 18:06 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-04 18:20 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-11-04 21:53 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-11-04 23:08 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-11-05 08:14 -0800
                                                                                                                Re: bad floating point, two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-05 17:26 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-06 08:28 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-10-04 07:57 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-10-04 08:14 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-04 09:49 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-04 11:22 +0000
                                                                                                Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-10-02 10:01 +0000
                                                                                                Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-02 21:19 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-10-03 19:40 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-02 05:45 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-02 07:54 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-10-02 19:07 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-02 20:33 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-01 09:17 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-01 16:45 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-01 18:42 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) moi <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2026-10-03 02:30 +0100
                                                                                          Re: Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-03 17:43 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) moi <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2026-10-04 23:44 +0100
                                                                              Re: Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-10-01 07:45 +0000
                                                                                Re: Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-10-01 07:51 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-10-02 01:31 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-10-02 02:29 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-10-02 02:46 +0000
                                                                      Re: endian history Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-09-28 08:45 -0700
                                                                      Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-29 03:15 +0000
                                                                    Re: endian history scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-28 15:19 +0000
                                                              Re: endian history Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-09-28 14:37 -0400
                                                                Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-29 22:47 +0000
                                                                  Re: endian history David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-30 08:39 +0200
                                                                  Re: endian history aph@littlepinkcloud.invalid - 2026-09-30 08:52 +0000
                                                                    Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-30 22:26 +0000
                                                                      Re: endian history aph@littlepinkcloud.invalid - 2026-10-01 10:44 +0000
                                                                        Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-01 21:53 +0000
                                                                          Re: endian history David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-02 11:11 +0200
                                                                            Re: endian history BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-10-02 16:17 -0500
                                                                          Re: endian history aph@littlepinkcloud.invalid - 2026-10-02 14:25 +0000
                                                                            Re: endian history BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-10-02 16:46 -0500
                                                                              Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-03 02:43 +0000
                                                                                Re: endian history BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-10-03 00:54 -0500
                                                                                  Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-03 06:15 +0000
                                                                                    Re: endian history BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-10-03 18:51 -0500
                                                                                      Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-04 02:35 +0000
                                                                                  Re: endian history Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2026-10-03 10:25 -0400
                                                                                    Re: endian history BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-10-03 16:59 -0500
                                                                                Re: endian history George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-10-03 15:04 -0400
                                                                            Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-02 21:53 +0000
                                                                    Re: endian history anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-01 07:34 +0000
                                                                    Re: endian history Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-01 07:00 -0700
                                                                      Re: endian history anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-01 15:20 +0000
                                                                        Re: endian history Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-01 09:15 -0700
                                                                          Re: endian history Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-01 19:23 +0300
                                                                            Re: endian history Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-02 21:31 -0700
                                                                              Re: endian history anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-03 10:25 +0000
                                                                          Re: endian history anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-01 16:36 +0000
                                                                            Re: endian history scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-01 18:38 +0000
                                                                              Re: endian history George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-10-01 15:17 -0400
                                                                              Re: endian history anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-01 21:20 +0000
                                                                            Re: endian history MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-10-01 19:55 +0000
                                                                              Re: endian history David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-02 11:21 +0200
                                                                                Re: endian history Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-02 12:47 +0300
                                                                                  Re: endian history David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-02 12:57 +0200
                                                                                    Re: endian history Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-02 14:44 +0300
                                                                                      Re: endian history David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-02 15:28 +0200
                                                                                  Re: endian history Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-03 05:29 -0700
                                                                        Re: endian history EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2026-10-01 13:12 -0400
                                                                          Re: endian history anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-01 17:41 +0000
                                                                            Re: endian history BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-10-01 18:07 -0500
                                                                              Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-02 02:44 +0000
                                                                                Re: endian history BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-10-01 22:06 -0500
                                                                                Re: endian history MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-10-02 18:05 +0000
                                                                              Re: endian history MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-10-02 18:00 +0000
                                                                                Re: endian history BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-10-02 13:51 -0500
                                                                                Re: endian history scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-03 14:14 +0000
                                                                              Re: endian history EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2026-10-04 14:19 -0400
                                                                            Re: endian history EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2026-10-04 13:59 -0400
                                                                      Re: endian history aph@littlepinkcloud.invalid - 2026-10-02 15:18 +0000
                                                                        Re: endian history BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-10-02 14:57 -0500
                                                                          Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-03 02:30 +0000
                                                                            Re: endian history BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-10-03 05:26 -0500
                                                                          Re: endian history Andy Valencia <vandys@vsta.org> - 2026-10-05 15:53 -0700
                                                                            Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-06 08:18 +0000
                                                                            Re: endian history George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-10-06 13:40 -0400
                                                                            Re: endian history Andy Valencia <vandys@vsta.org> - 2026-10-06 10:49 -0700
                                                                              Re: endian history Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-10-07 08:54 -0400
                                                                                Re: endian history Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> - 2026-10-08 18:33 +0000
                                                                        Re: endian history Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-03 04:44 -0700
                                                    Re: endian history MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-22 18:16 +0000
                                                      Re: endian history Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-22 20:27 +0200
                                                      Re: endian history Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-22 16:55 -0700
                                            Re: endian history Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-16 16:17 +0000
                                  Re: endian history scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-08 16:01 +0000
                                  Re: endian history Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-08 21:17 +0200
                                    Re: endian history MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-08 20:15 +0000
                                      Re: endian history David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-09 11:08 +0200
          Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-20 18:13 +0000
        Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-20 07:21 +0000
          Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-21 00:06 +0000
            Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-21 07:03 +0000
              Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-21 13:42 +0000
              Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-21 18:32 +0000
                Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-21 22:21 +0000
                  Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-05-22 07:35 +0000
                    Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-22 15:48 +0000
                      Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-22 21:22 +0000
                        Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-05-23 09:28 +0000
                          Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-23 17:01 +0000
                            Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-05-23 18:37 +0000
                          Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2026-05-23 14:15 -0400
                            Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-23 20:01 +0000
                        Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-23 16:19 +0000
                          Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-05-23 16:38 +0000
                      Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-05-23 08:36 +0000
                        Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-05-23 16:46 +0000
                        Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-05-23 19:33 +0000
                          Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-23 20:03 +0000
                            Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-05-23 20:09 +0000
                              Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-23 22:15 +0000
                                Re: base+displacement, condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-05-24 01:43 +0000
                                  Re: base+displacement, condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-24 03:10 +0000
                                    Re: base+displacement, condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-05-24 17:06 +0000
                                  Re: base+displacement, condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-24 13:57 +0000
                                    Re: base+displacement, condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-05-24 15:12 +0000
                                      Re: base+displacement, condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-24 16:44 +0000
                              Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-24 13:30 +0000
                                Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-05-24 15:24 +0000
                                  Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-24 16:39 +0000
                                    Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-26 15:13 +0000
                            Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-24 13:32 +0000
                              Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-24 13:49 +0000
                                Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-24 14:14 +0000
                          Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-05-24 09:32 +0000
                            Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-24 17:16 +0000
                              Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-24 17:32 +0000
                                Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-24 21:39 +0000
                                  Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-24 22:07 +0000
                                    Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-05-24 15:22 -0700
                                  Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-25 10:23 +0200
                                    Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-05-25 14:28 +0000
                                      Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-25 17:18 +0200
                                        Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-05-25 16:43 +0000
                                          Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-25 19:20 +0000
                                            Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-25 20:32 +0000
                                              Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-25 22:51 +0000
                                            Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-05-25 20:32 +0000
                                              Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-25 23:00 +0000
                                                Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-26 08:27 +0200
                                                  Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-05-26 22:09 +0200
                                                    Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-26 20:54 +0000
                                                      Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-05-27 10:59 -0400
                                                        Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-27 18:19 +0000
                                                          Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-01 14:51 -0400
                                                            Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-06-02 06:19 +0000
                                                              Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-06-02 07:47 +0000
                                                            Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-06-02 17:50 +0200
                                                              Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-06-02 19:10 +0000
                                                                Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-06-03 00:55 +0000
                                                                  Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-03 10:42 -0400
                                                                    Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-06-03 18:36 +0000
                                                                      Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-04 23:46 -0400
                                                                        Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-06-05 08:36 +0000
                                                                        Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-06-07 15:05 -0700
                                                                          Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-06-08 01:19 +0000
                                                                            Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-08 09:25 +0300
                                                                              Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-06-08 11:45 +0200
                                                                                Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-08 17:44 -0400
                                                                                  Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-06-11 15:14 +0000
                                                                                  Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-06-11 13:43 -0400
                                                                                    Re: public domain, condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-06-13 03:01 +0000
                                                                                      Re: public domain, condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-06-13 05:49 -0400
                                                                                        Re: public domain, condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-06-13 10:52 +0000
                                                                                          Re: public domain, condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-06-13 14:20 +0000
                                                                                      Re: public domain, condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-06-13 15:07 +0000
                                                                                        Re: public domain, condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-06-13 17:25 +0000
                                                                                          Re: public domain, condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-06-15 16:32 +0000
                                                                                        Re: public domain, condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-06-14 19:14 +0000
                                                                              Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-06-08 17:11 +0000
                                                                          Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-06-08 06:05 +0000
                                                                            Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-06-08 07:30 -0700
                                                                              Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-06-08 15:19 +0000
                                                                                Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-08 22:51 +0300
                                                                              Free software (was: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-06-08 16:18 +0000
                                                                                Re: Free software Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-06-08 10:40 -0700
                                                                                Re: Free software (was: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived) Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-08 22:43 +0300
                                                                                  Re: Free software (was: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-06-09 17:24 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Free software Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-06-09 21:15 +0200
                                                                                      Re: Free software Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-06-09 16:29 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Free software (was: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-06-10 06:01 +0000
                                                                                Re: Free software Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-08 18:03 -0400
                                                                                  Re: Free software David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-06-09 10:06 +0200
                                                                                    Re: Free software Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-11 15:21 -0400
                                                                                      Re: Free software David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-06-12 13:02 +0200
                                                                          Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-08 09:18 -0400
                                                                    Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-06-03 21:24 +0000
                                                                  Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-06-05 15:07 -0400
                                                                    Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-06-06 08:57 +0000
                                                                    Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-06-07 16:42 +0000
                                              Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-06-06 01:37 +0000
                                                Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-06-06 07:57 +0000
                                                  Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-06-12 01:57 +0000
                                          Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-26 08:18 +0200
                                          Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-06-12 01:04 +0000
                                        Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-05-25 15:27 -0400
                                      Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-25 16:49 +0000
                                        Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-25 20:34 +0000
                                          Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-05-25 20:02 -0500
                                            Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-26 18:02 +0000
                                              Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-05-26 14:28 -0500
                                      Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-05-25 16:34 -0500
                                        Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-25 23:05 +0000
                                          Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-05-26 15:29 -0400
                                            Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-05-26 19:13 -0500
                                    Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-25 20:26 +0000
                                      Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-25 22:49 +0000
                                      Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-05-26 05:39 +0000
                                    Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-05-25 20:32 +0000
                                      Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-25 22:59 +0000
                                        Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-05-27 15:24 -0500
                            Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-24 17:30 +0000
                    Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-22 15:48 +0000
              Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-21 22:14 +0000
                Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-21 23:46 +0000
                  Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-22 02:20 +0000
              Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-05-22 07:22 +0000
        Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-21 02:33 +0000
          Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-21 06:12 +0000
            Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-21 13:13 +0000
              Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-21 13:22 +0000
          Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-21 18:26 +0000
            Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-21 23:44 +0000
        Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-25 01:04 +0000
          Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-25 01:29 +0000
          Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-25 16:45 +0000
            Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-25 20:45 +0000
              Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-25 23:03 +0000
                Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-30 04:02 +0000
                  Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-30 15:47 +0000
                    Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-30 19:15 +0000
                      Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-05-31 11:05 -0700
                        Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-31 18:40 +0000
                          Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-06-01 19:56 +0000
                            Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-06-01 23:40 +0000
                            Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-06-02 06:20 +0000
                            Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-06-04 04:06 +0000
                              Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-06-04 04:44 +0000
                        Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-06-01 01:40 +0000
                          Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-06-01 05:36 +0000
                            Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-06-01 18:10 +0000
                      Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived Paul Clayton <paaronclayton@gmail.com> - 2026-05-31 18:38 -0400
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#119096 — Re: carry-in

Fromantispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch)
Date2026-11-08 18:52 +0000
SubjectRe: carry-in
Message-ID<11cqge0$3h7vq$1@paganini.bofh.team>
In reply to#119070
Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> wrote:
> Anton Ertl <anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> schrieb:
>> Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> writes:
>>>Anton Ertl <anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> schrieb:
>>>
>>>> I don't think it has anything to do with the materials from which it
>>>> was built.  Turning TAD into TADC (with carry-in) would only have
>>>> require to use a full adder instead of a half-adder for the lowest bit
>>>> of the adder and put a wire from the link bit to the carry-in of that
>>>> full adder.  And given that it also has a ones-complement addition,
>>>> the lowest bit probaly already uses a full adder for the
>>>> end-around-carry (another reason would be that it may have a narrower
>>>> (maybe even 1-bit) adder that is used in multiple rounds for a
>>>> full-width addition, like the original Nova).
>>>
>>>The original Nova had a four-bit TI 7483 as an adder.
>>
>> And it needed four rounds through that adder for a full-width
>> addition.  That's what I meant.
> 
> I only recently learned that the Z80 also has a four-bit ALU, making
> two passes for an 8-bit addition.
> 
> I *had* wondered why the 6502 got similar performance at 1 MHz as
> the Z80 at 3 to 4.

1) Clock frequency is not everything.  6502 had 2 phase clock,
   giving it 4 synchronized transitions per clock, Z80 had one
   phase clock giving it 2 synchronized transitions.
2) Z80 included refresh functionality, so had to do fetch in
   2 clocks, while using 2 clock of M1 cycle for memory refresh.
   That means that its nominal memory bandwidth was lower than
   other processors using similarly clocked memory.
3) Z80 needed 4 clocks per fetch and 3 clocks for other memory
   accesses, 6502 was able to do memory access in each clock.
4) I think that 6502 instruction set was slightly better matched
   to usage at that time.  Namely, 6502 was oriented to operating
   on memory, while Z80 offered register operations.  Trouble was
   that with 8 bit for opcode and registers Z80 had to use
   accumulator for most operations.  So keeping data in registers
   gave small if any gain compared to using data from memory
   (both cases required move to accumulator, op and move back).
   Registers were useful for keeping addreses, but once more
   than 1 address was in use one needed extra instruction or
   prefixes (which increased time to fetch instructions).
   Comaratively 0 page addressing meant shorter instructions,
   I am not sure how much one gained due to addresing modes
   but probably comparably to Z80 registers.

To summarize, due to bus interface 1 MHz 6502 and about 3.5 MHz
Z80 had similar memory bandwidth, with Z80 needing faster
memory chips.  Probably on average 6502 instructions were
slightly shorter, but that presumably varied from application
to application.

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#119069 — Re: carry-in

FromStephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid>
Date2026-11-07 10:17 -0800
SubjectRe: carry-in
Message-ID<11cnq0f$3me1o$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#119062
On 11/6/2026 11:41 PM, Anton Ertl wrote:
> John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> writes:
>> It appears that Anton Ertl <anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> said:
> [PDP-4]
>>> That's good enough for double-precision integer arithmetic, but for
>>> multiple-precision integers, an add with carry-in and carry-out is
>>> needed.  The first sequence only does carry-out, the second only
>>> carry-in; the second produces a carry, but it does not reflect a
>>> possible carry-out of the IAC.
>>
>> Keep in mind that this computer was designed in 1962, built out of
>> individual transistors soldered onto PC cards, and had 1K, 4K, or 8K
>> 18 bit words of core memory. Of course more modern instruction sets are
>> better.
> 
> I don't think it has anything to do with the materials from which it
> was built.  Turning TAD into TADC (with carry-in) would only have
> require to use a full adder instead of a half-adder for the lowest bit
> of the adder and put a wire from the link bit to the carry-in of that
> full adder.  And given that it also has a ones-complement addition,
> the lowest bit probaly already uses a full adder for the
> end-around-carry (another reason would be that it may have a narrower
> (maybe even 1-bit) adder that is used in multiple rounds for a
> full-width addition, like the original Nova).
> 
> So the only cost would be to mux the link bit with the
> end-around-carry depending on the instruction, rather than just
> masking the end-around carry depending on the instruction.  Doing the
> multiplexing with a wired-or would require one additional gate and two
> wires; even for a cheap model, the incremental cost would be tiny.
> 
> The 6502 was also designed to be extremely cheap, and it was designed
> to be so cheap that it does not even support 16-bit-wide ALU
> operations despite having 16-bit addresses, but it does include
> carry-in.  They could have shaved off a few more transistors for
> having only a half-adder for the lowest bit of the ALU, but did not.
> 
> As for 1962 and more modern instruction sets being better, I think
> that, yes, they suffered from not having that many good examples to
> look at, while 64 years later I can point at the 6502 as an example
> that did this aspect better, while being designed for very low cost,
> too.
> 
> S/360 does not have an add with carry-in, either, and IIRC it took
> until S390 (or S390x?) for them to add it, while microprocessors,
> having learned the lesson with the 8-bit architectures, usually
> included add with carry-in and carry-out from the start (with the
> notable exceptions of MIPS and its descendants).
> 
> Looking at the PDP-11, it seems to me that again, it supports
> double-precision arithmetic with the ADC and SBC instructions, but not
> multiple-precision arithmetics: It splits the add with carry-in into
> two instructions: ADC and ADD (ADC only adds the carry), but the
> carries of the two instructions have to be combined with a complex
> sequence of instructions in order to achieve an add with carry-in and
> carry-out.
> 
> The VAX has ADWC, which is a full add with carry-in and carry-out, so
> the minis eventually learned the lesson, shortly after the micros, and
> a lot of years before the mainframes.

Perhaps a reason for that was that the mainframes started with bigger 
word sizes to begin with (32, 36, or even 60 bits) so the pressure to 
easily handle multi word arithmetic was less.

However, note that the 1108 in 1965 had a pretty full complement of 
double word arithmetic instructions, 72 bit add and subtract, 36*36 
giving 72 bit multiplication, and 72 divided by 36 bit giving 36 bit 
dividend and remainder.  This lessened pressure for multi precision 
capabilities.  Never the less, it supported both carry and overflow 
flags and conditional jump instructions to test for them.



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#119073 — Re: carry-in in history

FromJohn Levine <johnl@taugh.com>
Date2026-11-07 19:00 +0000
SubjectRe: carry-in in history
Message-ID<11cnsh0$2fit$1@gal.iecc.com>
In reply to#119069
According to Stephen Fuld  <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid>:
>Perhaps a reason for that was that the mainframes started with bigger 
>word sizes to begin with (32, 36, or even 60 bits) so the pressure to 
>easily handle multi word arithmetic was less.

Makes sense.

>However, note that the 1108 in 1965 had a pretty full complement of 
>double word arithmetic instructions, 72 bit add and subtract, 36*36 
>giving 72 bit multiplication, and 72 divided by 36 bit giving 36 bit 
>dividend and remainder.

The GE 635 in 1964 had add and subtract with carry, and multiplication
an division with double word products and dividend.

The PDP-6 had carry flags but you had to do conditional jumps to use
them (it wasn't hard).  It also had 36->72 and 72->36 multiplication and division.
See the double precision integer programming examples on pages 7 and 8 here:
https://bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/pdp6/F-64PX_PDP-6_Programming_Examples_Aug64.pdf

So it seems everyone had similiar ideas about what kind of arithmetic people
would want to do.

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#119079 — Re: carry-in

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2026-11-07 22:37 +0000
SubjectRe: carry-in
Message-ID<11co96r$3rm07$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to#119069
On Sat, 7 Nov 2026 10:17:49 -0800, Stephen Fuld wrote:

> Perhaps a reason for that was that the mainframes started with
> bigger word sizes to begin with (32, 36, or even 60 bits) so the
> pressure to easily handle multi word arithmetic was less.
>
> However, note that the 1108 in 1965 had a pretty full complement of
> double word arithmetic instructions, 72 bit add and subtract, 36*36
> giving 72 bit multiplication, and 72 divided by 36 bit giving 36 bit
> dividend and remainder. This lessened pressure for multi precision
> capabilities. Never the less, it supported both carry and overflow
> flags and conditional jump instructions to test for them.

Remember also the pervasive distinction, right up to about the 1970s,
between “business” and “scientific” computing. Entire
hardware/software systems were designed from the ground up
specifically for one or the other. Any kind of number-theoretic
operations beyond the most basic (i.e. fixed-precision) arithmetic
would have been lumped in on the “scientific” side, rather than the
“business” side.

I’m guessing that IBM were the kings of “business” computing mainly,
that “scientific” customers would have had a bit more awareness of the
pros and cons of IBM gear versus the competition, and be less willing
to succumb to the “nobody got fired for buy IBM” mentality ...

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#119072 — Re: carry-in (was: two's complement and Flags)

FromJohn Levine <johnl@taugh.com>
Date2026-11-07 18:44 +0000
SubjectRe: carry-in (was: two's complement and Flags)
Message-ID<11cnrin$2bip$1@gal.iecc.com>
In reply to#119062
According to Anton Ertl <anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at>:
>John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> writes:
>>It appears that Anton Ertl <anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> said:
>[PDP-4]
>>>That's good enough for double-precision integer arithmetic, but for
>>>multiple-precision integers, an add with carry-in and carry-out is
>>>needed.  The first sequence only does carry-out, the second only
>>>carry-in; the second produces a carry, but it does not reflect a
>>>possible carry-out of the IAC.
>>
>>Keep in mind that this computer was designed in 1962, built out of
>>individual transistors soldered onto PC cards, and had 1K, 4K, or 8K
>>18 bit words of core memory. Of course more modern instruction sets are
>>better.
>
>I don't think it has anything to do with the materials from which it
>was built.  Turning TAD into TADC (with carry-in) would only have
>require to use a full adder instead of a half-adder for the lowest bit ...

Sure, but that would have needed another opcode, and all 16 of the
available opcodes were taken.  Once again, in retrospect this was
rather primitive, but it did show that they understood that two's
complement made multiple precision easier.  Given that the PDP-5
only had two's complement they presumably figured that whatever
disadvantage it might have compared to one's complement wasn't
very important.

>S/360 does not have an add with carry-in, either, and IIRC it took
>until S390 (or S390x?) for them to add it, while microprocessors,
>having learned the lesson with the 8-bit architectures, usually
>included add with carry-in and carry-out from the start (with the
>notable exceptions of MIPS and its descendants).

It was S390x, 390 mode on z.  Waving my hands a lot, I would guess
that it was rare to need more than 64 bit integer arithmetic so
the original AL was good enough.  Then z made 64 bits the basic
type so they retroactively gave s390 add with carry so it could
handle larger (128 probably) more efficiently.

Eight bit micros always needed carry in and out because 16 bits
is rarely enough.



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#119078 — Re: carry-in (was: two's complement and Flags)

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2026-11-07 22:33 +0000
SubjectRe: carry-in (was: two's complement and Flags)
Message-ID<11co8v0$3rm07$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#119062
On Sat, 07 Nov 2026 07:41:34 GMT, Anton Ertl wrote:

> The 6502 was also designed to be extremely cheap, and it was
> designed to be so cheap that it does not even support 16-bit-wide
> ALU operations despite having 16-bit addresses, but it does include
> carry-in.

I think the only 16-bit address arithmetic operation needed was adding
1 to the program counter. All the index registers were 8-bit; even the
stack pointer was 8-bit, so there was no need for 16-bit arithmetic on
that (beyond prepending a fixed high byte of 1 to construct the
current top-of-stack address).

> The VAX has ADWC, which is a full add with carry-in and carry-out, so
> the minis eventually learned the lesson, shortly after the micros, and
> a lot of years before the mainframes.

Obviously such a feature had no value in mainframe COBOL “business”
programming, did it ... 😜

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#119084 — Re: carry-in (was: two's complement and Flags)

FromGeorge Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net>
Date2026-11-08 02:55 -0500
SubjectRe: carry-in (was: two's complement and Flags)
Message-ID<r6a0fldl8i2ssj7nvlml4pleumiq827vuc@4ax.com>
In reply to#119078
On Sat, 7 Nov 2026 22:33:05 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D´Oliveiro
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

>On Sat, 07 Nov 2026 07:41:34 GMT, Anton Ertl wrote:
>
>> The 6502 was also designed to be extremely cheap, and it was
>> designed to be so cheap that it does not even support 16-bit-wide
>> ALU operations despite having 16-bit addresses, but it does include
>> carry-in.
>
>I think the only 16-bit address arithmetic operation needed was adding
>1 to the program counter. All the index registers were 8-bit; even the
>stack pointer was 8-bit, so there was no need for 16-bit arithmetic on
>that (beyond prepending a fixed high byte of 1 to construct the
>current top-of-stack address).

All the 6502's indexed addressing modes required 16-bit arithmetic.  


>> The VAX has ADWC, which is a full add with carry-in and carry-out, so
>> the minis eventually learned the lesson, shortly after the micros, and
>> a lot of years before the mainframes.
>
>Obviously such a feature had no value in mainframe COBOL “business”
>programming, did it ... ?

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#119086 — Re: carry-in

FromRobert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com>
Date2026-11-08 07:50 -0500
SubjectRe: carry-in
Message-ID<11cpr6i$ajs3$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#119084
On 2026-11-08 2:55 a.m., George Neuner wrote:
> On Sat, 7 Nov 2026 22:33:05 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D´Oliveiro
> <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> On Sat, 07 Nov 2026 07:41:34 GMT, Anton Ertl wrote:
>>
>>> The 6502 was also designed to be extremely cheap, and it was
>>> designed to be so cheap that it does not even support 16-bit-wide
>>> ALU operations despite having 16-bit addresses, but it does include
>>> carry-in.
>>
>> I think the only 16-bit address arithmetic operation needed was adding
>> 1 to the program counter. All the index registers were 8-bit; even the
>> stack pointer was 8-bit, so there was no need for 16-bit arithmetic on
>> that (beyond prepending a fixed high byte of 1 to construct the
>> current top-of-stack address).
> 
> All the 6502's indexed addressing modes required 16-bit arithmetic.
> 
> 
Yes, the index register could reach across page boundaries. So they 
would at least need a carry chain.

It would have been nice if the SP was 16-bit.

6809 was a bit better with the registers.

>>> The VAX has ADWC, which is a full add with carry-in and carry-out, so
>>> the minis eventually learned the lesson, shortly after the micros, and
>>> a lot of years before the mainframes.
>>
>> Obviously such a feature had no value in mainframe COBOL “business”
>> programming, did it ... ?

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#119105 — Re: carry-in (was: two's complement and Flags)

Fromquadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard)
Date2026-11-09 02:09 +0000
SubjectRe: carry-in (was: two's complement and Flags)
Message-ID<6af12adb.4172593@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#119062
On Sat, 07 Nov 2026 07:41:34 GMT, anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at
(Anton Ertl) wrote:

>The 6502 was also designed to be extremely cheap, and it was designed
>to be so cheap that it does not even support 16-bit-wide ALU
>operations despite having 16-bit addresses, but it does include
>carry-in.

IIRC, the 6809 and the Z-80 had a 16-bit add instruction - but the
8080 and the 6800 did not. So not having one was not a consequence of
how cheap the 6502 was designed to be, although it definitely was
designed to be much cheaper than the 8080 and 6800.

John Savard

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#119053 — Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history)

Fromscott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
Date2026-11-06 15:28 +0000
SubjectRe: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history)
Message-ID<4mmHS.316761$_pxc.39330@fx17.iad>
In reply to#119050
John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> writes:
>According to John Savard <quadibloc@invalid.com>:
>>They also made an 18-bit computer, the PDP-4 (which had compatible
>>successors in the PDP-9 and PDP-15) which had a set of one's
>>complement instructions and an additional set of two's complement
>>instructions. I guess that let those machines act as bridges between
>>hardware which was either one way or the other.
>
>The DEC Computer Engineering book says that the PDP-4 was designd to
>be a lower cost PDP-1, 5/8 of the performance for half the cost. They
>added two's complement arithmetic because the users wanted to do
>multiple precision and floating point arithmetic with more than 18
>bits which is a lot easier to do in two's complement. It also added a
>"link" bit to hold the carry out of the accumulator, and instructions
>to test it so you could do something like this for a two word addition
>
>  CLA A / low part
>  TAD B / carry is in the link bit
>  DAC C

Was this mnemonic really DAC?  For the PDP-8, it was DCA
(Deposit and Clear Accumulator).

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#119061 — Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history)

FromJohn Levine <johnl@taugh.com>
Date2026-11-07 02:36 +0000
SubjectRe: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history)
Message-ID<11cm2rn$if2$1@gal.iecc.com>
In reply to#119053
According to Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net>:
>>The DEC Computer Engineering book says that the PDP-4 was designd to
>>be a lower cost PDP-1, 5/8 of the performance for half the cost. They
>>added two's complement arithmetic because the users wanted to do
>>multiple precision and floating point arithmetic with more than 18
>>bits which is a lot easier to do in two's complement. It also added a
>>"link" bit to hold the carry out of the accumulator, and instructions
>>to test it so you could do something like this for a two word addition
>>
>>  CLA A / low part
>>  TAD B / carry is in the link bit
>>  DAC C
>
>Was this mnemonic really DAC?  For the PDP-8, it was DCA
>(Deposit and Clear Accumulator).

I looked at the maual.  The load instruction was actually "lac",
load accumulator, the store instruction "dac" for deposit accumulator.  It also had
"dzm" deposit zero to memory. xor, and xct (execute.)

The PDP-5/8 had only half as manyinstructions so they came up with the
clever hack of having the two's complement TAD instruction, no load
instruction, but DCA stored and cleared so you could use a TAD to load
the next value.


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#119064 — Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history)

Fromquadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard)
Date2026-11-07 13:52 +0000
SubjectRe: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history)
Message-ID<6aef2cb8.1916390@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#119050
On Fri, 6 Nov 2026 03:22:16 -0000 (UTC), John Levine <johnl@taugh.com>
wrote:

>They
>added two's complement arithmetic because the users wanted to do
>multiple precision and floating point arithmetic with more than 18
>bits which is a lot easier to do in two's complement.

Given that, it's a wonder that _any_ computer, ever, at least any
computer with a short word length, used one's complement arithmetic.

John Savard

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#119056 — Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history)

FromStephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid>
Date2026-11-06 10:51 -0800
SubjectRe: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history)
Message-ID<11cl7iu$2q0g9$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#119011
On 11/2/2026 10:43 AM, John Levine wrote:
> According to Stephen Fuld  <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid>:
>> "Scientists and engineers demanded both precision and mathematical
>> consistency."  The result was both the 36 bit word and the use of
>> mathematical representation that provided complete symmetry of positive
>> and negative numbers. All of these machines used a numeric
>> representation that had an equal number of positive and negative numbers
>> and had both plus and minus zeros.  These requirements are still present
>> today in the form of the IEEE floating point standard.  The IBM , GE and
>> DEC machines used a signed-magnitude representation in which the sign
>> bit was just that/  The Sperry Rand Univac systems used a
>> ones-complement representation because it permitted faster addition and
>> subtraction with less hardware.  A complement cycle was not needed for
>> most operations."
> 
> The DEC PDP-10 had two's complement floating point but otherwise yes.
> That last sentence is true compared to sign-magnitude but it did need
> end-around carry.
> 
>> Of course, the paper doesn't explain why the requirement for symmetry
>> seemed to go away and two's complement became acceptable.
> 
> IEEE floating point is still sign-magnitude since among other things that
> enables the hidden bit so you get more precision almost for free.
> 
> My guess is that for fixed point arithmetic, experience told people
> that having to account for two versions of zero was a pain, while the
> fact that the largest negative number had no positive representation
> didn't matter.

Could be.  I can't talk to anyone else's experience or on any systems 
other than the 1100 series.  But to me, minus zero was a sort of 
curiosity.  I never worried about it.  Actually, I can't recall ever 
having to deal with it at all.  Perhaps that was due to the type of 
programming I was doing, i.e. not scientific/math heavy stuff.  Or 
perhaps it was due to the design of the adder (a ones complement 
subtractive adder), which never generated minus zero as the result of an 
arithmetic operation, or the fact that the instructions that tested a 
register or a memory location for zero treated both positive and 
negative zero as zero.

For me, the fact that the 1100 series was word addressable and accessing 
things like strings of characters was painful was far more of an issue 
than ones compliment arithmetic.


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#119012 — Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history)

Fromanton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl)
Date2026-11-02 19:14 +0000
SubjectRe: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history)
Message-ID<2026Nov2.201449@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at>
In reply to#119009
Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> writes:
>a talk given at the 25th anniversary USE 
>conference (the Univac user's group) titled "Why it is the way it is", 
>by Ron Q Smith, then a long time and well respected Univac employee.  It 
>goes through the requirement by the military for 36 bit words, due to 
>needing eight digits of floating point precision, rather than the 6 
>digits that 32 bits would provide

The story I have read is that the requirement was 10 digits of
fixed-point numbers, although 34 bits plus sign bit would have been
enough for that.  That is supported by the fact that the IBM 701 has
36-bit words, but no floating-point.  Also, von Neumann was an
advocate agains floating point, and I expect that he had quite a bit
of influence on such requirements at the time.

>"Scientists and engineers demanded both precision and mathematical 
>consistency."  The result was both the 36 bit word and the use of 
>mathematical representation that provided complete symmetry of positive 
>and negative numbers. All of these machines used a numeric 
>representation that had an equal number of positive and negative numbers 
>and had both plus and minus zeros.

One interesting aspect is that the more mathematical types usually
prefer floored or Euclidean division over symmetric (aka truncated)
division, especially when it comes to the remainder that comes with
it.  See <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modulo_operation>.  But there
may be exceptions that prove the rule.

But if the US military specified symmetry in their requirements in the
1950s, that would explain why the US computers went for sign-magnitude
or ones-complement during that time, while the british computers were
already using twos-complement.

>Of course, the paper doesn't explain why the requirement for symmetry 
>seemed to go away and two's complement became acceptable.

The usual way, probably: by promotion, retirement, or death of the
person who wrote this requirement.  I don't know if it was von
Neumann, but he died in 1957.

- anton
-- 
'Anyone trying for "industrial quality" ISA should avoid undefined behavior.'
  Mitch Alsup, <c17fcd89-f024-40e7-a594-88a85ac10d20o@googlegroups.com>

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#119016 — Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history)

Fromquadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard)
Date2026-11-02 20:37 +0000
SubjectRe: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history)
Message-ID<6ae8f2bd.36341984@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#119012
On Mon, 02 Nov 2026 19:14:49 GMT, anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at
(Anton Ertl) wrote:

>The story I have read is that the requirement was 10 digits of
>fixed-point numbers, although 34 bits plus sign bit would have been
>enough for that.  That is supported by the fact that the IBM 701 has
>36-bit words, but no floating-point.

The IBM 701 could do 36-bit arithmetic, but it was an 18-bit machine.

>Also, von Neumann was an
>advocate agains floating point, and I expect that he had quite a bit
>of influence on such requirements at the time.

Hardware floating-point required quite a few logic gates to implement.
So recommending that programmers work a little harder instead of the
computer trying to do their work for them... made perfect sense back
then, when computers were made out of *vacuum tubes*.

Later, IBM made the IBM 704, which was much larger and more complex
than the IBM 701. It had core memory instead of Williams tubes - both
forms of memory were genuinely random-access, but core memory was much
more reliable. It also had hardware floating-point; this was a bold
move at the time, but it turned out to contribute to the machine's
success. And, of course, the IBM 704 was also the machine for which
the first FORTRAN compiler was written. FORTRAN wasn't the first
higher-level language, but because its compiler performed
optimization, it overcame a lot of the previous opposition to
higher-level languages as wasteful.

John Savard

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#119019 — Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history)

FromMitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid>
Date2026-11-03 01:36 +0000
SubjectRe: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history)
Message-ID<1793669777-5857@newsgrouper.org>
In reply to#119016
quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) posted:

> On Mon, 02 Nov 2026 19:14:49 GMT, anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at
> (Anton Ertl) wrote:
> 
> >The story I have read is that the requirement was 10 digits of
> >fixed-point numbers, although 34 bits plus sign bit would have been
> >enough for that.  That is supported by the fact that the IBM 701 has
> >36-bit words, but no floating-point.
> 
> The IBM 701 could do 36-bit arithmetic, but it was an 18-bit machine.

PDP-8 could do floating point arithmetic but had no FP instructions
nor FP registers.
 
> >Also, von Neumann was an
> >advocate agains floating point, and I expect that he had quite a bit
> >of influence on such requirements at the time.
> 
> Hardware floating-point required quite a few logic gates to implement.
> So recommending that programmers work a little harder instead of the
> computer trying to do their work for them... made perfect sense back
> then, when computers were made out of *vacuum tubes*.
> 
> Later, IBM made the IBM 704, which was much larger and more complex
> than the IBM 701. It had core memory instead of Williams tubes - both
> forms of memory were genuinely random-access, but core memory was much
> more reliable. It also had hardware floating-point; this was a bold
> move at the time, but it turned out to contribute to the machine's
> success. And, of course, the IBM 704 was also the machine for which
> the first FORTRAN compiler was written. FORTRAN wasn't the first
> higher-level language, but because its compiler performed
> optimization, it overcame a lot of the previous opposition to
> higher-level languages as wasteful.
> 
> John Savard

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#119026 — Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history)

Fromscott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
Date2026-11-03 15:09 +0000
SubjectRe: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history)
Message-ID<YOmGS.36641$8SW5.23902@fx40.iad>
In reply to#119019
MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> writes:
>quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) posted:
>
>> On Mon, 02 Nov 2026 19:14:49 GMT, anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at
>> (Anton Ertl) wrote:
>> 
>> >The story I have read is that the requirement was 10 digits of
>> >fixed-point numbers, although 34 bits plus sign bit would have been
>> >enough for that.  That is supported by the fact that the IBM 701 has
>> >36-bit words, but no floating-point.
>> 
>> The IBM 701 could do 36-bit arithmetic, but it was an 18-bit machine.
>
>PDP-8 could do floating point arithmetic but had no FP instructions
>nor FP registers.

And the multiplication/division (EAE) unit was optional, yet the
PDP-8 could do division and multiplication even without the unit.

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#119023 — Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history)

FromThomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de>
Date2026-11-03 06:59 +0000
SubjectRe: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history)
Message-ID<11cc0nn$3haor$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#119016
John Savard <quadibloc@invalid.com> schrieb:
> On Mon, 02 Nov 2026 19:14:49 GMT, anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at
> (Anton Ertl) wrote:
>
>>The story I have read is that the requirement was 10 digits of
>>fixed-point numbers, although 34 bits plus sign bit would have been
>>enough for that.  That is supported by the fact that the IBM 701 has
>>36-bit words, but no floating-point.
>
> The IBM 701 could do 36-bit arithmetic, but it was an 18-bit machine.
>
>>Also, von Neumann was an
>>advocate agains floating point, and I expect that he had quite a bit
>>of influence on such requirements at the time.

Von Neumann was also opposed to assemblers, he considered them a
waste of valuable computer time, and wanted people to program in
machine code.

> Hardware floating-point required quite a few logic gates to implement.
> So recommending that programmers work a little harder instead of the
> computer trying to do their work for them... made perfect sense back
> then, when computers were made out of *vacuum tubes*.

Not really.

Before FORTRAN, Backus implemented "Speedcoding", which was an
interpeter for a sort of assembly language which did floating point.

Despite its name, it was very slow, but the savings in overall time
often made the total time to solution faster, and it was apparently
pleasant enough to use so people did it.

-- 
This USENET posting was made without artificial intelligence,
artificial impertinence, artificial arrogance, artificial stupidity,
artificial flavorings or artificial colorants.

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#119030 — Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history)

Fromantispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch)
Date2026-11-04 03:01 +0000
SubjectRe: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history)
Message-ID<11ce75v$26jrq$3@paganini.bofh.team>
In reply to#119023
Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> wrote:
> John Savard <quadibloc@invalid.com> schrieb:
>> On Mon, 02 Nov 2026 19:14:49 GMT, anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at
>> (Anton Ertl) wrote:
>>
>>>The story I have read is that the requirement was 10 digits of
>>>fixed-point numbers, although 34 bits plus sign bit would have been
>>>enough for that.  That is supported by the fact that the IBM 701 has
>>>36-bit words, but no floating-point.
>>
>> The IBM 701 could do 36-bit arithmetic, but it was an 18-bit machine.
>>
>>>Also, von Neumann was an
>>>advocate agains floating point, and I expect that he had quite a bit
>>>of influence on such requirements at the time.
> 
> Von Neumann was also opposed to assemblers, he considered them a
> waste of valuable computer time, and wanted people to program in
> machine code.
> 
>> Hardware floating-point required quite a few logic gates to implement.
>> So recommending that programmers work a little harder instead of the
>> computer trying to do their work for them... made perfect sense back
>> then, when computers were made out of *vacuum tubes*.
> 
> Not really.
> 
> Before FORTRAN, Backus implemented "Speedcoding", which was an
> interpeter for a sort of assembly language which did floating point.
> 
> Despite its name, it was very slow, but the savings in overall time
> often made the total time to solution faster, and it was apparently
> pleasant enough to use so people did it.

IIUC big motivation for FORTRAN was hardware floating point.
Namely, with software floating point actual arithmetic dominated
run time and overhead of interpretation was acceptable.  But
with hardware floating point arithmetic was faster and relative
role of overhead was much larger.  That is why FORTRAN team
worked hard to produce efficient code.

-- 
                              Waldek Hebisch

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#119031 — Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history)

FromJohn Levine <johnl@taugh.com>
Date2026-11-04 03:36 +0000
SubjectRe: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history)
Message-ID<11ce97b$1cog$1@gal.iecc.com>
In reply to#119030
According to Waldek Hebisch <antispam@fricas.org>:
>IIUC big motivation for FORTRAN was hardware floating point.
>Namely, with software floating point actual arithmetic dominated
>run time and overhead of interpretation was acceptable.  But
>with hardware floating point arithmetic was faster and relative
>role of overhead was much larger.  That is why FORTRAN team
>worked hard to produce efficient code.

At that time there was a widespread belief that compilers could never generate
code as good as human programmers did, so if performance were important, which
on the computers of that era it always was, you'd never use a compiler to write
your code.

But FORTRAN producd code which even by modern standards was very good, and got
grudging respect after a few years. People also realized that for programs you
were only going to run a few times, the time savings from writing and debugging
FORTRAN rather than the much larger assembler equivalent often meant that the
actual computer time used for debugging and final production runs was still less
even if the code wasn't that great. At some point they added a flag to produce
less optimized code but compile faster, and everyone used it.

-- 
Regards,
John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies",
Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly

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