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Concertina IV Has Arrived

Started byquadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid>
First post2026-05-19 20:14 +0000
Last post2026-05-30 19:03 +0000
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  Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-19 20:14 +0000
    Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-20 00:03 +0000
      Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-20 00:34 +0000
      Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-20 01:35 +0000
        Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-20 02:09 +0000
          Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-20 02:26 +0000
          Byte order and BCD (was: Concertina IV Has Arrived) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-05-20 05:38 +0000
            Re: Byte order and BCD (was: Concertina IV Has Arrived) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-05-20 08:10 +0000
              Re: Byte order and BCD (was: Concertina IV Has Arrived) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-05-20 08:36 +0000
                Re: Byte order and BCD (was: Concertina IV Has Arrived) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-05-20 10:37 +0000
                  Re: Byte order and BCD (was: Concertina IV Has Arrived) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-05-20 11:04 +0000
                    Re: Byte order and BCD (was: Concertina IV Has Arrived) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-05-20 17:01 +0000
                      Re: Byte order and BCD (was: Concertina IV Has Arrived) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-05-20 17:30 +0000
            Re: Byte order and BCD (was: Concertina IV Has Arrived) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-05-20 15:03 +0000
              Re: Byte order and BCD (was: Concertina IV Has Arrived) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-05-20 18:07 +0000
                Re: Byte order and BCD (was: Concertina IV Has Arrived) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-05-20 19:03 +0000
                  Re: Byte order and BCD Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-05-20 21:45 +0200
                    Re: Byte order and BCD scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-05-21 14:36 +0000
                Re: Byte order and BCD (was: Concertina IV Has Arrived) quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-20 22:50 +0000
                  Re: Byte order and BCD (was: Concertina IV Has Arrived) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-05-21 00:37 +0000
                    Re: Byte order and BCD (was: Concertina IV Has Arrived) quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-21 02:18 +0000
                      Re: Byte order and BCD (was: Concertina IV Has Arrived) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-05-21 06:29 +0000
                      Re: ancient virtual memory, Byte order and BCD (was: Concertina IV Has Arrived) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-05-21 15:41 +0000
            Re: Byte order and BCD (was: Concertina IV Has Arrived) quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-20 15:28 +0000
              Re: Byte order and BCD (was: Concertina IV Has Arrived) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-05-20 15:42 +0000
                Re: Byte order and BCD (was: Concertina IV Has Arrived) quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-20 17:25 +0000
                  Re: Byte order and BCD (was: Concertina IV Has Arrived) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-05-21 11:52 +0000
                Re: Byte order and BCD Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-05-20 21:33 +0200
                  Re: Byte order and BCD anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-05-21 10:29 +0000
                    Re: Byte order and BCD anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-05-21 12:04 +0000
            Re: Byte order and BCD (was: Concertina IV Has Arrived) quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-06-03 00:41 +0000
              Re: Byte order and BCD (was: Concertina IV Has Arrived) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-06-03 17:13 +0000
          Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived Bernd Linsel <bl1-thispartdoesnotbelonghere@gmx.com> - 2026-05-20 10:42 +0200
            Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-05-20 15:32 +0000
            Re: BCD, was Concertina IV Has Arrived John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-05-20 17:47 +0000
              Re: BCD, was Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-06-01 01:14 +0000
                Re: BCD, was Concertina IV Has Arrived John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-06-01 02:20 +0000
                  2s-complement and byte order (was: BCD) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-06-01 07:47 +0000
                    Re: 2s-complement and byte order (was: BCD) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-06-01 16:04 +0000
                      Re: 2s-complement and byte order (was: BCD) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-06-01 18:01 +0000
                        Re: 2s-complement and byte order (was: BCD) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-06-01 18:26 +0000
                          Re: 2s-complement and byte order (was: BCD) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-06-02 01:22 +0000
                            Re: 2s-complement and byte order (was: BCD) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-06-02 01:57 +0000
                              Re: 2s-complement and byte order (was: BCD) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-06-02 17:04 +0000
                    Re: 2s-complement and byte order (was: BCD) quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-06-01 18:08 +0000
                    Re: 2s-complement and byte order (was: BCD) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-06-01 18:13 +0000
                  Re: BCD, was Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-06-01 17:59 +0000
                    Re: BCD, was Concertina IV Has Arrived John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-06-01 20:00 +0000
                      Re: BCD, was Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-06-01 21:57 +0000
                byte order (was: BCD) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-06-01 08:36 +0000
              Re: BCD, was Concertina IV Has Arrived jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) - 2026-06-02 14:00 +0100
                Re: BCD, was Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-06-02 14:54 +0000
                  Re: BCD, was Concertina IV Has Arrived scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-06-02 16:13 +0000
                  Re: BCD, was Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-06-02 17:13 +0000
                    Re: BCD, was Concertina IV Has Arrived Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-06-02 18:25 +0000
                      Re: BCD, was Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-06-02 19:07 +0000
                    Re: BCD, was Concertina IV Has Arrived Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-06-02 11:44 -0700
                      Re: BCD, was Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-06-02 19:37 +0000
                    Re: BCD, was Concertina IV Has Arrived EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2026-06-03 08:29 -0400
                Re: BCD, was Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-06-02 17:09 +0000
                bit order and byte order (was: BCD) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-06-02 15:59 +0000
                  Re: bit order and byte order (was: BCD) quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-06-03 00:37 +0000
                    Re: bit order and byte order (was: BCD) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-06-03 17:44 +0000
                  Re: bit order and byte order (was: BCD) George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-06-03 19:05 -0400
                    Re: bit order and byte order (was: BCD) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-06-04 12:45 +0000
                Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-06-02 22:00 +0000
                  Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-06-03 00:21 +0000
                    Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-06-03 01:03 +0000
                      Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-06-03 01:52 +0000
                    Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-06-03 13:54 +0000
                      Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-06-03 15:33 +0000
                        Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-06-03 17:36 +0000
                          Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina "Brian G. Lucas" <bagel99@gmail.com> - 2026-06-04 11:53 -0500
                        Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-06-03 19:22 +0000
                          Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) - 2026-09-05 22:10 +0100
                            Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-06 09:20 +0000
                              Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-06 11:47 +0200
                                Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-06 12:17 +0000
                                  Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-06 15:24 +0200
                                    Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-06 14:41 +0000
                                      Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-06 19:20 +0200
                                        Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-06 23:51 +0000
                                          Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-07 10:10 +0200
                                            Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-07 18:22 +0000
                                              Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-07 23:24 +0200
                                                Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-07 22:00 +0000
                                                  Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-08 11:25 +0200
                                          Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-08 16:02 +0000
                                            Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-08 20:32 +0200
                                            Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-08 19:03 +0000
                                              Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-08 20:59 +0000
                                      Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-07 02:40 +0000
                              Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) - 2026-09-06 19:33 +0100
                              Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-09-07 15:57 +0000
                                Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-07 17:00 +0000
                                  Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-09-08 13:24 +0000
                        Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-05 08:17 +0000
                          Re: endian history quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-09-05 13:52 +0000
                            Re: endian history Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-05 15:58 +0200
                              Re: endian history Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-05 14:55 +0000
                                Re: endian history Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-05 17:24 +0200
                                  Re: endian history MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-05 16:57 +0000
                                    Re: endian history quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-09-06 02:06 +0000
                                      Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-06 07:04 +0000
                                        Re: endian history quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-09-06 18:38 +0000
                                          Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-06 21:50 +0000
                                            Re: endian history quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-09-08 02:33 +0000
                                              Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-08 03:46 +0000
                                                Re: endian history quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-09-08 17:31 +0000
                                                  Re: endian history MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-08 20:13 +0000
                                                  Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-09 00:22 +0000
                                                    Re: endian history quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-09-09 01:10 +0000
                                                      Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-09 01:33 +0000
                                                      Re: endian history David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-09 11:06 +0200
                                                  Re: endian history Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-09-08 23:57 -0400
                                          Re: endian history MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-06 23:57 +0000
                                            Re: endian history Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-09-06 17:31 -0700
                                              Re: endian history Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-09-06 21:46 -0700
                                                Re: endian history Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-09-07 13:57 +0800
                                                Re: endian history Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-07 15:23 -0700
                                                  OT writing direction Re: endian history Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-09-07 20:15 -0700
                                                    Re: OT writing direction Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-08 03:44 +0000
                                                    Re: OT writing direction Re: endian history MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-08 17:23 +0000
                                                    Re: OT writing direction Re: endian history Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-15 07:49 -0700
                                                      Re: OT writing direction Re: endian history Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-09-15 10:09 -0700
                                                        Re: OT writing direction Re: endian history Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-20 07:14 -0700
                                                  Re: endian history MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-08 17:16 +0000
                                                  Re: endian history George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-09-09 20:22 -0400
                                                    Re: endian history MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-10 01:25 +0000
                                                      Re: endian history Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-10 12:09 +0200
                                                    Re: endian history Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-15 09:19 -0700
                                            Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-07 02:35 +0000
                                              Re: endian history MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-07 18:14 +0000
                                            Re: endian history Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-07 05:05 +0000
                                            Re: endian history David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-07 10:32 +0200
                                            Re: endian history quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-09-08 02:36 +0000
                                              Re: endian history Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-09-07 20:21 -0700
                                                Re: endian history David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-08 11:32 +0200
                                                  Re: endian history Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-09-08 08:31 -0700
                                            Re: endian history Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-09-17 10:23 +0200
                                        Re: endian history Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-07 15:25 -0700
                                    Re: endian history scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-06 13:57 +0000
                                      Re: endian history BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-09-06 12:41 -0500
                                        Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-06 21:53 +0000
                                          Re: endian history MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-07 00:12 +0000
                                            Re: endian history BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-09-06 23:34 -0500
                                            Re: endian history anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-08 10:29 +0000
                                      Re: endian history Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-07 13:56 +0200
                                        Re: endian history Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-07 23:54 +0300
                                          Re: endian history Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-08 05:07 +0000
                                          Re: endian history Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-08 21:14 +0200
                                Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-05 21:16 +0000
                                  Re: endian history quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-09-06 01:55 +0000
                                    Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-06 02:09 +0000
                                      Re: endian history quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-09-06 18:28 +0000
                                        Re: endian history MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-06 23:54 +0000
                                        Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-07 02:44 +0000
                                    Re: endian history MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-06 15:39 +0000
                            Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-06 07:07 +0000
                              Re: endian history scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-06 14:00 +0000
                              Re: endian history antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-09-07 20:24 +0000
                                Re: endian history Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-09-07 16:58 -0700
                                  Re: endian history quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-09-08 02:47 +0000
                                    Re: endian history Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-09-07 20:23 -0700
                                    Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-08 03:49 +0000
                                  Re: endian history scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-08 16:00 +0000
                                Re: endian history quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-09-08 02:45 +0000
                                  Re: endian history John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-09-08 08:38 +0000
                                    Re: endian history quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-09-09 01:12 +0000
                                  Re: endian history anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-08 10:56 +0000
                                    Re: endian history John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-09-08 13:34 +0000
                                      Re: endian history Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-08 21:23 +0200
                                      Re: endian history anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-09 08:04 +0000
                                        Re: endian history Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-09 23:21 +0200
                                          Base64 ISA (was: endian history) Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-09-14 12:39 -0400
                                            Re: Base64 ISA Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-15 11:26 +0200
                                    Re: endian history Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-08 19:30 +0000
                                      Re: endian history anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-09 08:22 +0000
                                      Re: endian history Paul Clayton <paaronclayton@gmail.com> - 2026-09-13 14:55 -0400
                                        Re: endian history Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-09-14 10:29 -0700
                                          Re: endian history Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-15 11:32 +0200
                                          Re: endian history Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-15 08:53 -0700
                                        Re: endian history Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-14 17:32 +0000
                                          Re: endian history Paul Clayton <paaronclayton@gmail.com> - 2026-09-23 21:09 -0400
                                            Re: endian history scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-28 15:09 +0000
                                        Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-14 23:29 +0000
                                          Re: endian history Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-15 12:49 +0200
                                            Re: endian history anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-15 13:01 +0000
                                              Re: endian history Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-15 16:51 +0200
                                        Re: endian history antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-09-16 04:41 +0000
                                          Re: endian history Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-16 05:53 +0000
                                            Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-16 07:52 +0000
                                              Re: endian history Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-09-16 07:29 -0700
                                                Re: endian history scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-16 15:49 +0000
                                          Re: endian history Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-09-16 10:48 +0200
                                            Re: endian history Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-16 16:21 +0200
                                              Re: endian history Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-18 00:38 -0700
                                                Re: endian history Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-18 17:29 +0300
                                                  Re: endian history Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-18 16:48 +0200
                                                Re: endian history Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-18 16:47 +0200
                                                  Re: endian history Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-18 15:36 -0700
                                                    Re: endian history Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-22 19:51 +0200
                                                      Re: endian history Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-23 08:28 -0700
                                                        Re: endian history Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-23 18:01 +0200
                                                          Re: endian history Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-23 10:47 -0700
                                                        Re: endian history MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-23 18:41 +0000
                                                          Re: endian history Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-23 13:15 -0700
                                                            Re: endian history Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-24 15:09 +0200
                                                              Re: endian history Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-25 02:47 -0700
                                                            Re: endian history MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-24 17:00 +0000
                                                              Re: endian history scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-24 18:35 +0000
                                                              Re: endian history Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-25 03:19 -0700
                                                              Re: endian history Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-26 07:41 +0000
                                                                Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-27 02:48 +0000
                                                                  Re: endian history Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2026-09-26 23:49 -0400
                                                                    Re: endian history Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:06 +0300
                                                                      Re: endian history Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2026-09-27 06:14 -0400
                                                                        Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-27 23:57 +0000
                                                                          Re: endian history Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-28 14:33 +0200
                                                                        Re: endian history David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-28 10:38 +0200
                                                                          Re: endian history anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-28 08:50 +0000
                                                                            Re: endian history David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-28 11:23 +0200
                                                                            Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-28 22:50 +0000
                                                                              Re: endian history anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-29 06:11 +0000
                                                                    Re: endian history MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:47 +0000
                                                                      Re: endian history John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-09-27 18:21 +0000
                                                                        Re: endian history scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-28 15:13 +0000
                                                                    Re: endian history Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-28 13:05 -0700
                                                                  Re: endian history David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-27 16:56 +0200
                                                                  Re: endian history Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-09-27 20:01 -0700
                                                                    Re: endian history Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-28 06:14 +0000
                                                                      Re: arithmetic and endian history John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-09-28 14:08 +0000
                                                                        Re: arithmetic and endian history anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-28 16:54 +0000
                                                                          Re: arithmetic and endian history John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-09-28 21:46 +0000
                                                                            Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-29 08:01 +0000
                                                                              Re: Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-29 14:26 +0000
                                                                              Re: Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-29 17:21 +0000
                                                                                Re: Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-29 17:28 +0000
                                                                                Re: Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-09-29 20:16 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-01 09:00 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-01 09:30 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-01 06:49 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-01 15:05 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-10-01 16:04 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-10-02 01:30 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-01 19:27 -0700
                                                                                              Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-10-02 02:45 +0000
                                                                                                Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-10-02 09:53 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-10-02 19:10 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-03 17:18 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-10-03 19:54 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-03 20:49 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-10-03 22:05 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-04 08:09 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-04 15:14 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-10-04 18:29 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-06 08:29 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-06 03:20 -0700
                                                                                                          Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-10-06 17:24 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-12 01:46 -0700
                                                                                                              Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-10-12 17:37 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-13 21:57 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-14 07:50 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-14 23:08 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-03 19:55 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-04 06:50 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-04 15:11 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-10-04 19:38 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-06 07:30 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-10-06 18:07 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-06 21:17 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-10-06 23:30 +0200
                                                                                                                  Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-07 10:16 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-10-07 19:53 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-10-03 23:49 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-10-04 01:04 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-04 07:47 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-10-04 18:02 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-11-02 09:45 -0800
                                                                                                          Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-11-02 10:12 -0800
                                                                                                          Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-02 18:43 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-11-02 20:00 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-11-02 20:28 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-11-03 01:34 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-11-03 08:35 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-11-02 20:25 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-11-05 23:36 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-06 03:22 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-11-06 06:24 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-11-06 12:08 +0100
                                                                                                                    Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-11-06 15:08 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-11-06 20:50 +0100
                                                                                                                  Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-11-06 16:50 +0100
                                                                                                                  Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-06 19:22 +0000
                                                                                                                    carry-in (was: two's complement and Flags) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-11-07 07:41 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: carry-in (was: two's complement and Flags) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-11-07 12:09 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: carry-in (was: two's complement and Flags) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-11-07 16:19 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: carry-in (was: two's complement and Flags) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-11-07 18:20 +0000
                                                                                                                            6502 vs Z80 (was: carry-in) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-11-07 18:35 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: carry-in (was: two's complement and Flags) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-07 22:38 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: carry-in antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-11-08 18:52 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: carry-in Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-11-07 10:17 -0800
                                                                                                                        Re: carry-in in history John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-07 19:00 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: carry-in Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-07 22:37 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: carry-in (was: two's complement and Flags) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-07 18:44 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: carry-in (was: two's complement and Flags) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-07 22:33 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: carry-in (was: two's complement and Flags) George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-11-08 02:55 -0500
                                                                                                                          Re: carry-in Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2026-11-08 07:50 -0500
                                                                                                                      Re: carry-in (was: two's complement and Flags) quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-11-09 02:09 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-11-06 15:28 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-07 02:36 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-11-07 13:52 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-11-06 10:51 -0800
                                                                                                          Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-11-02 19:14 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-11-02 20:37 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-11-03 01:36 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-11-03 15:09 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-11-03 06:59 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-11-04 03:01 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-04 03:36 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-03 02:39 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-11-04 18:06 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-04 18:20 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-11-04 21:53 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-11-04 23:08 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-11-05 08:14 -0800
                                                                                                                Re: bad floating point, two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-05 17:26 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-06 08:28 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-10-04 07:57 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-10-04 08:14 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-04 09:49 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-04 11:22 +0000
                                                                                                Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-10-02 10:01 +0000
                                                                                                Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-02 21:19 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-10-03 19:40 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-02 05:45 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-02 07:54 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-10-02 19:07 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-02 20:33 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-01 09:17 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-01 16:45 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-01 18:42 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) moi <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2026-10-03 02:30 +0100
                                                                                          Re: Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-03 17:43 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) moi <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2026-10-04 23:44 +0100
                                                                              Re: Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-10-01 07:45 +0000
                                                                                Re: Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-10-01 07:51 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-10-02 01:31 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-10-02 02:29 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-10-02 02:46 +0000
                                                                      Re: endian history Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-09-28 08:45 -0700
                                                                      Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-29 03:15 +0000
                                                                    Re: endian history scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-28 15:19 +0000
                                                              Re: endian history Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-09-28 14:37 -0400
                                                                Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-29 22:47 +0000
                                                                  Re: endian history David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-30 08:39 +0200
                                                                  Re: endian history aph@littlepinkcloud.invalid - 2026-09-30 08:52 +0000
                                                                    Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-30 22:26 +0000
                                                                      Re: endian history aph@littlepinkcloud.invalid - 2026-10-01 10:44 +0000
                                                                        Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-01 21:53 +0000
                                                                          Re: endian history David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-02 11:11 +0200
                                                                            Re: endian history BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-10-02 16:17 -0500
                                                                          Re: endian history aph@littlepinkcloud.invalid - 2026-10-02 14:25 +0000
                                                                            Re: endian history BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-10-02 16:46 -0500
                                                                              Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-03 02:43 +0000
                                                                                Re: endian history BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-10-03 00:54 -0500
                                                                                  Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-03 06:15 +0000
                                                                                    Re: endian history BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-10-03 18:51 -0500
                                                                                      Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-04 02:35 +0000
                                                                                  Re: endian history Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2026-10-03 10:25 -0400
                                                                                    Re: endian history BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-10-03 16:59 -0500
                                                                                Re: endian history George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-10-03 15:04 -0400
                                                                            Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-02 21:53 +0000
                                                                    Re: endian history anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-01 07:34 +0000
                                                                    Re: endian history Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-01 07:00 -0700
                                                                      Re: endian history anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-01 15:20 +0000
                                                                        Re: endian history Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-01 09:15 -0700
                                                                          Re: endian history Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-01 19:23 +0300
                                                                            Re: endian history Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-02 21:31 -0700
                                                                              Re: endian history anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-03 10:25 +0000
                                                                          Re: endian history anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-01 16:36 +0000
                                                                            Re: endian history scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-01 18:38 +0000
                                                                              Re: endian history George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-10-01 15:17 -0400
                                                                              Re: endian history anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-01 21:20 +0000
                                                                            Re: endian history MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-10-01 19:55 +0000
                                                                              Re: endian history David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-02 11:21 +0200
                                                                                Re: endian history Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-02 12:47 +0300
                                                                                  Re: endian history David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-02 12:57 +0200
                                                                                    Re: endian history Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-02 14:44 +0300
                                                                                      Re: endian history David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-02 15:28 +0200
                                                                                  Re: endian history Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-03 05:29 -0700
                                                                        Re: endian history EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2026-10-01 13:12 -0400
                                                                          Re: endian history anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-01 17:41 +0000
                                                                            Re: endian history BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-10-01 18:07 -0500
                                                                              Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-02 02:44 +0000
                                                                                Re: endian history BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-10-01 22:06 -0500
                                                                                Re: endian history MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-10-02 18:05 +0000
                                                                              Re: endian history MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-10-02 18:00 +0000
                                                                                Re: endian history BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-10-02 13:51 -0500
                                                                                Re: endian history scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-03 14:14 +0000
                                                                              Re: endian history EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2026-10-04 14:19 -0400
                                                                            Re: endian history EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2026-10-04 13:59 -0400
                                                                      Re: endian history aph@littlepinkcloud.invalid - 2026-10-02 15:18 +0000
                                                                        Re: endian history BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-10-02 14:57 -0500
                                                                          Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-03 02:30 +0000
                                                                            Re: endian history BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-10-03 05:26 -0500
                                                                          Re: endian history Andy Valencia <vandys@vsta.org> - 2026-10-05 15:53 -0700
                                                                            Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-06 08:18 +0000
                                                                            Re: endian history George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-10-06 13:40 -0400
                                                                            Re: endian history Andy Valencia <vandys@vsta.org> - 2026-10-06 10:49 -0700
                                                                              Re: endian history Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-10-07 08:54 -0400
                                                                                Re: endian history Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> - 2026-10-08 18:33 +0000
                                                                        Re: endian history Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-03 04:44 -0700
                                                    Re: endian history MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-22 18:16 +0000
                                                      Re: endian history Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-22 20:27 +0200
                                                      Re: endian history Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-22 16:55 -0700
                                            Re: endian history Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-16 16:17 +0000
                                  Re: endian history scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-08 16:01 +0000
                                  Re: endian history Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-08 21:17 +0200
                                    Re: endian history MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-08 20:15 +0000
                                      Re: endian history David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-09 11:08 +0200
          Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-20 18:13 +0000
        Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-20 07:21 +0000
          Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-21 00:06 +0000
            Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-21 07:03 +0000
              Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-21 13:42 +0000
              Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-21 18:32 +0000
                Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-21 22:21 +0000
                  Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-05-22 07:35 +0000
                    Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-22 15:48 +0000
                      Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-22 21:22 +0000
                        Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-05-23 09:28 +0000
                          Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-23 17:01 +0000
                            Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-05-23 18:37 +0000
                          Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2026-05-23 14:15 -0400
                            Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-23 20:01 +0000
                        Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-23 16:19 +0000
                          Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-05-23 16:38 +0000
                      Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-05-23 08:36 +0000
                        Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-05-23 16:46 +0000
                        Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-05-23 19:33 +0000
                          Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-23 20:03 +0000
                            Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-05-23 20:09 +0000
                              Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-23 22:15 +0000
                                Re: base+displacement, condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-05-24 01:43 +0000
                                  Re: base+displacement, condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-24 03:10 +0000
                                    Re: base+displacement, condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-05-24 17:06 +0000
                                  Re: base+displacement, condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-24 13:57 +0000
                                    Re: base+displacement, condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-05-24 15:12 +0000
                                      Re: base+displacement, condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-24 16:44 +0000
                              Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-24 13:30 +0000
                                Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-05-24 15:24 +0000
                                  Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-24 16:39 +0000
                                    Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-26 15:13 +0000
                            Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-24 13:32 +0000
                              Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-24 13:49 +0000
                                Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-24 14:14 +0000
                          Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-05-24 09:32 +0000
                            Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-24 17:16 +0000
                              Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-24 17:32 +0000
                                Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-24 21:39 +0000
                                  Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-24 22:07 +0000
                                    Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-05-24 15:22 -0700
                                  Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-25 10:23 +0200
                                    Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-05-25 14:28 +0000
                                      Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-25 17:18 +0200
                                        Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-05-25 16:43 +0000
                                          Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-25 19:20 +0000
                                            Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-25 20:32 +0000
                                              Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-25 22:51 +0000
                                            Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-05-25 20:32 +0000
                                              Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-25 23:00 +0000
                                                Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-26 08:27 +0200
                                                  Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-05-26 22:09 +0200
                                                    Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-26 20:54 +0000
                                                      Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-05-27 10:59 -0400
                                                        Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-27 18:19 +0000
                                                          Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-01 14:51 -0400
                                                            Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-06-02 06:19 +0000
                                                              Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-06-02 07:47 +0000
                                                            Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-06-02 17:50 +0200
                                                              Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-06-02 19:10 +0000
                                                                Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-06-03 00:55 +0000
                                                                  Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-03 10:42 -0400
                                                                    Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-06-03 18:36 +0000
                                                                      Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-04 23:46 -0400
                                                                        Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-06-05 08:36 +0000
                                                                        Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-06-07 15:05 -0700
                                                                          Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-06-08 01:19 +0000
                                                                            Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-08 09:25 +0300
                                                                              Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-06-08 11:45 +0200
                                                                                Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-08 17:44 -0400
                                                                                  Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-06-11 15:14 +0000
                                                                                  Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-06-11 13:43 -0400
                                                                                    Re: public domain, condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-06-13 03:01 +0000
                                                                                      Re: public domain, condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-06-13 05:49 -0400
                                                                                        Re: public domain, condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-06-13 10:52 +0000
                                                                                          Re: public domain, condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-06-13 14:20 +0000
                                                                                      Re: public domain, condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-06-13 15:07 +0000
                                                                                        Re: public domain, condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-06-13 17:25 +0000
                                                                                          Re: public domain, condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-06-15 16:32 +0000
                                                                                        Re: public domain, condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-06-14 19:14 +0000
                                                                              Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-06-08 17:11 +0000
                                                                          Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-06-08 06:05 +0000
                                                                            Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-06-08 07:30 -0700
                                                                              Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-06-08 15:19 +0000
                                                                                Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-08 22:51 +0300
                                                                              Free software (was: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-06-08 16:18 +0000
                                                                                Re: Free software Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-06-08 10:40 -0700
                                                                                Re: Free software (was: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived) Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-08 22:43 +0300
                                                                                  Re: Free software (was: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-06-09 17:24 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Free software Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-06-09 21:15 +0200
                                                                                      Re: Free software Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-06-09 16:29 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Free software (was: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-06-10 06:01 +0000
                                                                                Re: Free software Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-08 18:03 -0400
                                                                                  Re: Free software David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-06-09 10:06 +0200
                                                                                    Re: Free software Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-11 15:21 -0400
                                                                                      Re: Free software David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-06-12 13:02 +0200
                                                                          Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-08 09:18 -0400
                                                                    Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-06-03 21:24 +0000
                                                                  Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-06-05 15:07 -0400
                                                                    Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-06-06 08:57 +0000
                                                                    Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-06-07 16:42 +0000
                                              Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-06-06 01:37 +0000
                                                Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-06-06 07:57 +0000
                                                  Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-06-12 01:57 +0000
                                          Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-26 08:18 +0200
                                          Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-06-12 01:04 +0000
                                        Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-05-25 15:27 -0400
                                      Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-25 16:49 +0000
                                        Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-25 20:34 +0000
                                          Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-05-25 20:02 -0500
                                            Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-26 18:02 +0000
                                              Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-05-26 14:28 -0500
                                      Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-05-25 16:34 -0500
                                        Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-25 23:05 +0000
                                          Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-05-26 15:29 -0400
                                            Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-05-26 19:13 -0500
                                    Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-25 20:26 +0000
                                      Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-25 22:49 +0000
                                      Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-05-26 05:39 +0000
                                    Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-05-25 20:32 +0000
                                      Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-25 22:59 +0000
                                        Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-05-27 15:24 -0500
                            Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-24 17:30 +0000
                    Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-22 15:48 +0000
              Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-21 22:14 +0000
                Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-21 23:46 +0000
                  Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-22 02:20 +0000
              Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-05-22 07:22 +0000
        Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-21 02:33 +0000
          Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-21 06:12 +0000
            Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-21 13:13 +0000
              Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-21 13:22 +0000
          Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-21 18:26 +0000
            Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-21 23:44 +0000
        Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-25 01:04 +0000
          Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-25 01:29 +0000
          Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-25 16:45 +0000
            Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-25 20:45 +0000
              Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-25 23:03 +0000
                Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-30 04:02 +0000
                  Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-30 15:47 +0000
                    Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-30 19:15 +0000
                      Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-05-31 11:05 -0700
                        Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-31 18:40 +0000
                          Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-06-01 19:56 +0000
                            Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-06-01 23:40 +0000
                            Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-06-02 06:20 +0000
                            Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-06-04 04:06 +0000
                              Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-06-04 04:44 +0000
                        Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-06-01 01:40 +0000
                          Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-06-01 05:36 +0000
                            Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-06-01 18:10 +0000
                      Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived Paul Clayton <paaronclayton@gmail.com> - 2026-05-31 18:38 -0400
                        Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-06-02 01:52 +0000
                    Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-31 01:22 +0000
                      Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-31 12:05 +0000
                        Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-31 17:26 +0000
                    Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-31 02:57 +0000
                Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-30 04:06 +0000
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#116800 — Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived

FromTerje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no>
Date2026-06-02 17:50 +0200
SubjectRe: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived
Message-ID<10vmu4e$31hnt$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#116792
Stefan Monnier wrote:
> quadi [2026-05-27 18:19:49] wrote:
>> On Wed, 27 May 2026 10:59:31 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:
>>> MitchAlsup [2026-05-26 20:54:30] wrote:
>>>> Encrypt the debug information (and put it in a
>>>> {1234-5678-9101-1121-...}  folder) so that only the owner (not
>>>> licensee) of the code can debug it.
>>> I resent that.  All code should be Free Software.
> [...]
>> However, people have the right to the fruit of their labors.  To give them
>> away for free is generous, but it should remain a personal choice.
> 
> You don't need to encrypt the debug information of your programs in
> order to earn a decent living.

I'd say rather the opposite!

In the current environment where every language is expected to be 
compatible with a generic IDE like Visual Studio Code, via open source 
interface specifications, having a proprietary debug format seems like a 
good way to strongly limit your potential customer base.

Terje

-- 
- <Terje.Mathisen at tmsw.no>
"almost all programming can be viewed as an exercise in caching"

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#116810 — Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived

Fromquadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid>
Date2026-06-02 19:10 +0000
SubjectRe: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived
Message-ID<10vn9rr$3594s$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#116800
On Tue, 02 Jun 2026 17:50:38 +0200, Terje Mathisen wrote:

> In the current environment where every language is expected to be
> compatible with a generic IDE like Visual Studio Code, via open source
> interface specifications, having a proprietary debug format seems like a
> good way to strongly limit your potential customer base.

You appear to have understood his post in a different way than I did.

I wasn't thinking of the kind of debug information provided by a compiler.

I was thinking of leaving debug information in when one was distributing 
software to customers.

John Savard

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#116823 — Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived

FromMitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid>
Date2026-06-03 00:55 +0000
SubjectRe: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived
Message-ID<1780448135-5857@newsgrouper.org>
In reply to#116810
quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> posted:

> On Tue, 02 Jun 2026 17:50:38 +0200, Terje Mathisen wrote:
> 
> > In the current environment where every language is expected to be
> > compatible with a generic IDE like Visual Studio Code, via open source
> > interface specifications, having a proprietary debug format seems like a
> > good way to strongly limit your potential customer base.
> 
> You appear to have understood his post in a different way than I did.
> 
> I wasn't thinking of the kind of debug information provided by a compiler.
> 
> I was thinking of leaving debug information in when one was distributing 
> software to customers.

Yes, you the vendor do not want random customer debugging the code,
however, you want the ability to debug the code that was distributed
on whatever medium on customer's system(s)--

AND you want to debug one copy of the running code while others are using
other processes running the code under normal use.
> 
> John Savard

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#116832 — Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived

FromStefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Date2026-06-03 10:42 -0400
SubjectRe: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived
Message-ID<jwvpl27zo2m.fsf-monnier+comp.arch@gnu.org>
In reply to#116823
> Yes, you the vendor do not want random customer debugging the code,

I also want a pony, but that doesn't make it right.

The customer will usually not want to debug your code, but sometimes
they will have to (e.g. because you the vendor don't exist any more or
don't find that product of commercial value any more, ...).

The customer deserves to be able to debug the code it's paid for.


=== Stefan

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#116833 — Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived

Fromscott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
Date2026-06-03 18:36 +0000
SubjectRe: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived
Message-ID<7v_TR.5$Km5.1@fx39.iad>
In reply to#116832
Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:

 <snip discussion of including debug data in distributed software>

>> Yes, you the vendor do not want random customer debugging the code,
>
>I also want a pony, but that doesn't make it right.
>
>The customer will usually not want to debug your code, but sometimes
>they will have to (e.g. because you the vendor don't exist any more or
>don't find that product of commercial value any more, ...).
>
>The customer deserves to be able to debug the code it's paid for.

There are several reasons that a vendor may wish to refrain from
distributing the DWARF (or windows equiv) data with a software
package.   For example, program identifiers may inadvertently
identify other customers, internal proprietary
information or internal codenames.

Being able to debug code without the source code doesn't seem
a particulary common use case, nor would it be a viable way
to continue to use orphaned software, other than to, perhaps,
get it working sufficient to export any application
data in an interchange form (e.g. csv or xml if supported
by the application).  I would certainly not recommend
that it be used for production.

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#116854 — Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived

FromStefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Date2026-06-04 23:46 -0400
SubjectRe: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived
Message-ID<jwvse71wsze.fsf-monnier+comp.arch@gnu.org>
In reply to#116833
Scott Lurndal [2026-06-03 18:36:51] wrote:
> Being able to debug code without the source code doesn't seem
> a particulary common use case,

Indeed, the source code should also be available, of course.
I started this thread by mentioning Free Software.  🙂


=== Stefan

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#116855 — Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived

FromThomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de>
Date2026-06-05 08:36 +0000
SubjectRe: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived
Message-ID<10vu1r5$104im$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#116854
Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> schrieb:
> Scott Lurndal [2026-06-03 18:36:51] wrote:
>> Being able to debug code without the source code doesn't seem
>> a particulary common use case,
>
> Indeed, the source code should also be available, of course.
> I started this thread by mentioning Free Software.  🙂

I am a big proponent of free software, but it has a basic problem:
Getting developers paid is not easy.

An example is OpenFOAM.  This is a very widely used CFD package,
both in academia (because it costs nothing, and ANSYS is very
expensive, also for universities) and also now in industry because
people who come in from university have learned this during their
PhDs (you need quite some time to learn).

Funding? They want 500 k€ in 2026, which is far from excessive,
see https://openfoam.org/news/funding-2026/ , both compared to
commercial CFD companies and the value that OpenFOAM provides.

-- 
This USENET posting was made without artificial intelligence,
artificial impertinence, artificial arrogance, artificial stupidity,
artificial flavorings or artificial colorants.

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#116893 — Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived

FromStephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid>
Date2026-06-07 15:05 -0700
SubjectRe: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived
Message-ID<1104pv6$2qn01$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#116854
On 6/4/2026 8:46 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> Scott Lurndal [2026-06-03 18:36:51] wrote:
>> Being able to debug code without the source code doesn't seem
>> a particulary common use case,
> 
> Indeed, the source code should also be available, of course.
> I started this thread by mentioning Free Software.  🙂

Note that free does not equal open source.  There is a fair amount of 
software that is freely available for which the source is not.  Many of 
these are reduced functionality versions of paid for software, e.g. 
Adobe PDF reader, but there are others.



-- 
  - Stephen Fuld
(e-mail address disguised to prevent spam)

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#116894 — Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived

Fromquadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid>
Date2026-06-08 01:19 +0000
SubjectRe: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived
Message-ID<11055al$2tal7$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#116893
On Sun, 07 Jun 2026 15:05:24 -0700, Stephen Fuld wrote:

> Note that free does not equal open source.  There is a fair amount of
> software that is freely available for which the source is not.  Many of
> these are reduced functionality versions of paid for software, e.g.
> Adobe PDF reader, but there are others.

Commonly, when this distinction is discussed in the open-source community, 
the phrases "free as in beer" and "free as in freedom" are used to 
distinguish between freeware that remains proprietary versus true open-
source software under the GPL.

John Savard

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#116896 — Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived

FromMichael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com>
Date2026-06-08 09:25 +0300
SubjectRe: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived
Message-ID<20260608092532.00006b0a@yahoo.com>
In reply to#116894
On Mon, 8 Jun 2026 01:19:17 -0000 (UTC)
quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> wrote:

> On Sun, 07 Jun 2026 15:05:24 -0700, Stephen Fuld wrote:
> 
> > Note that free does not equal open source.  There is a fair amount
> > of software that is freely available for which the source is not.
> > Many of these are reduced functionality versions of paid for
> > software, e.g. Adobe PDF reader, but there are others.  
> 
> Commonly, when this distinction is discussed in the open-source
> community, the phrases "free as in beer" and "free as in freedom" are
> used to distinguish between freeware that remains proprietary versus
> true open- source software under the GPL.
> 
> John Savard
> 

I strongly disagree with statement that true open source software is
equivalent of GPL.

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#116897 — Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived

FromTerje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no>
Date2026-06-08 11:45 +0200
SubjectRe: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived
Message-ID<110630f$34fie$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#116896
Michael S wrote:
> On Mon, 8 Jun 2026 01:19:17 -0000 (UTC)
> quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> On Sun, 07 Jun 2026 15:05:24 -0700, Stephen Fuld wrote:
>>
>>> Note that free does not equal open source.  There is a fair amount
>>> of software that is freely available for which the source is not.
>>> Many of these are reduced functionality versions of paid for
>>> software, e.g. Adobe PDF reader, but there are others.
>>
>> Commonly, when this distinction is discussed in the open-source
>> community, the phrases "free as in beer" and "free as in freedom" are
>> used to distinguish between freeware that remains proprietary versus
>> true open- source software under the GPL.
>>
>> John Savard
>>
> 
> I strongly disagree with statement that true open source software is
> equivalent of GPL.

The obviously "most free" sw must be public domain, right?

Followed by free use but attribution required/requested?

Terje

-- 
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"almost all programming can be viewed as an exercise in caching"

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#116912 — Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived

FromStefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Date2026-06-08 17:44 -0400
SubjectRe: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived
Message-ID<jwvqzmgg1ha.fsf-monnier+comp.arch@gnu.org>
In reply to#116897
Terje Mathisen [2026-06-08 11:45:51] wrote:
> Michael S wrote:
> The obviously "most free" sw must be public domain, right?

As with most things related to freedom ... it depends.

Public domain offers "more freedom" when you consider the point of view
of the developers, who can use that software any way they want with no
restrictions at all.

But not when you consider the point of view of the end-users who may
receive code compiled/derived from that public domain source code with
no way to recover that public domain source code, or to change or fix
it.  It may even be illegal to try to recover it (since the DMCA
disallows several forms of reverse engineering).

From that end-user point of view, the GPL arguably ensures "more
freedom" than public domain.


=== Stefan

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#116939 — Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived

FromJohn Levine <johnl@taugh.com>
Date2026-06-11 15:14 +0000
SubjectRe: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived
Message-ID<110ejch$pu9$1@gal.iecc.com>
In reply to#116912
According to Stefan Monnier  <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>:
>But not when you consider the point of view of the end-users who may
>receive code compiled/derived from that public domain source code with
>no way to recover that public domain source code, or to change or fix
>it.  It may even be illegal to try to recover it (since the DMCA
>disallows several forms of reverse engineering).

If it's really public domain, there is no bar to reverse engineering
since there is nobody who can complain about it. I agree there are
other kinds of software where the executable is freely available but
the authors choose not to provide source and could use the DMCA
against people who reverse engineer.

>From that end-user point of view, the GPL arguably ensures "more
>freedom" than public domain.

I definitely agree with "arguably".

Speaking of the DMCA, the US Copyright Office is starting its tenth proceeding
to update the list of exemptions to the DMCA for research, analysis and other
non-infringing uses. Worth a look if you're interested in the topic.

https://www.copyright.gov/1201/2027/

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#116940 — Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived

FromGeorge Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net>
Date2026-06-11 13:43 -0400
SubjectRe: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived
Message-ID<r3sl2ldnd8b5ej191gc86hp3ep5icgk5kp@4ax.com>
In reply to#116912
On Mon, 08 Jun 2026 17:44:59 -0400, Stefan Monnier
<monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> wrote:

>Terje Mathisen [2026-06-08 11:45:51] wrote:
>> Michael S wrote:
>> The obviously "most free" sw must be public domain, right?
>
>As with most things related to freedom ... it depends.
>
>Public domain offers "more freedom" when you consider the point of view
>of the developers, who can use that software any way they want with no
>restrictions at all.
>
>But not when you consider the point of view of the end-users who may
>receive code compiled/derived from that public domain source code with
>no way to recover that public domain source code, or to change or fix
>it.  It may even be illegal to try to recover it (since the DMCA
>disallows several forms of reverse engineering).
>
>From that end-user point of view, the GPL arguably ensures "more
>freedom" than public domain.
>
>
>=== Stefan

Not to mention that there are many countries that do not recognize
public domain. And even where it technically is recognized, some
countries have legal procedures that must be followed to relinquish
your rights and so complicate actually putting something into public
domain.

Putting <whatever> under some kind of license - regardless of how
permissive it is - actually is easier to do in many places, and is
recognized in more places. 

MMV.

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#116955 — Re: public domain, condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived

FromJohn Levine <johnl@taugh.com>
Date2026-06-13 03:01 +0000
SubjectRe: public domain, condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived
Message-ID<110ih5c$23n2$1@gal.iecc.com>
In reply to#116940
According to George Neuner  <gneuner2@comcast.net>:
>>As with most things related to freedom ... it depends.

>Not to mention that there are many countries that do not recognize
>public domain. And even where it technically is recognized, some
>countries have legal procedures that must be followed to relinquish
>your rights and so complicate actually putting something into public
>domain.

I am not aware of any countries that do not have the public domain for
material whose copyright has expired, or for whatever reason was not
eligible for copyright in the first place.  But you're right, in some
places it is impossible or at least impractical to relinquish your
rights and put something in the P.D. before it would get there anyway.

>Putting <whatever> under some kind of license - regardless of how
>permissive it is - actually is easier to do in many places, and is
>recognized in more places. 

Agreed.  There are lots of licenses other than the GPL that are
used successfully for open source software.

R's,
John
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#116957 — Re: public domain, condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived

FromGeorge Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net>
Date2026-06-13 05:49 -0400
SubjectRe: public domain, condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived
Message-ID<478q2l177h0ca3u304ikmsjrcgvvrln514@4ax.com>
In reply to#116955
On Sat, 13 Jun 2026 03:01:00 -0000 (UTC), John Levine
<johnl@taugh.com> wrote:

>According to George Neuner  <gneuner2@comcast.net>:
>>>As with most things related to freedom ... it depends.
>
>>Not to mention that there are many countries that do not recognize
>>public domain. And even where it technically is recognized, some
>>countries have legal procedures that must be followed to relinquish
>>your rights and so complicate actually putting something into public
>>domain.
>
>I am not aware of any countries that do not have the public domain for
>material whose copyright has expired, or for whatever reason was not
>eligible for copyright in the first place.  But you're right, in some
>places it is impossible or at least impractical to relinquish your
>rights and put something in the P.D. before it would get there anyway.

The Berne convention defined an implicit copyright that exists by
virtue of authorship and persists until the author's death.  Though
the US does not recognize or enforce these implicit copyrights, most
signatories to either Berne (1886) or UCC (1952) conventions do
recognize and enforce Berne copyrights.

Explicit copyrights - filed with Copyright offices - can be
voluntarily surrendered at any time.  It is giving up the implicit
copyright that is the problem with public domain.


>>Putting <whatever> under some kind of license - regardless of how
>>permissive it is - actually is easier to do in many places, and is
>>recognized in more places. 
>
>Agreed.  There are lots of licenses other than the GPL that are
>used successfully for open source software.
>
>R's,
>John

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#116959 — Re: public domain, condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived

Fromanton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl)
Date2026-06-13 10:52 +0000
SubjectRe: public domain, condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived
Message-ID<2026Jun13.125208@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at>
In reply to#116957
George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> writes:
>The Berne convention defined an implicit copyright that exists by
>virtue of authorship and persists until the author's death.  Though
>the US does not recognize or enforce these implicit copyrights, most
>signatories to either Berne (1886) or UCC (1952) conventions do
>recognize and enforce Berne copyrights.

According to <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berne_convention>:

|The United States acceded to the convention on 16 November 1988, and
|the convention entered into force for the United States on 1 March
|1989.

How can the convention have entered into force in the US without the
US recognizing or enforcing implicit copyrights?

- anton
-- 
'Anyone trying for "industrial quality" ISA should avoid undefined behavior.'
  Mitch Alsup, <c17fcd89-f024-40e7-a594-88a85ac10d20o@googlegroups.com>

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#116961 — Re: public domain, condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived

Fromquadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard)
Date2026-06-13 14:20 +0000
SubjectRe: public domain, condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived
Message-ID<6a2d668b.44605937@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#116959
On Sat, 13 Jun 2026 10:52:08 GMT, anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at
(Anton Ertl) wrote:
>George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> writes:

>>The Berne convention defined an implicit copyright that exists by
>>virtue of authorship and persists until the author's death.  Though
>>the US does not recognize or enforce these implicit copyrights, most
>>signatories to either Berne (1886) or UCC (1952) conventions do
>>recognize and enforce Berne copyrights.

>According to <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berne_convention>:

>|The United States acceded to the convention on 16 November 1988, and
>|the convention entered into force for the United States on 1 March
>|1989.

>How can the convention have entered into force in the US without the
>US recognizing or enforcing implicit copyrights?

Implicit copyrights do exist now in the U.S. because of its
ratification of the Berne convention.

But there are some limitations.

Nothing that entered the public domain prior to this ratification
became copyrighted again; there was no retroactive effect.

Also, U.S. parties are still incentivized to register their
copyrights, because this is necessary to recieve statutory damages and
attorney's fees from a copyright lawsuit.

John Savard

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#116963 — Re: public domain, condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived

Fromantispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch)
Date2026-06-13 15:07 +0000
SubjectRe: public domain, condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived
Message-ID<110jrmi$1q93j$2@paganini.bofh.team>
In reply to#116955
John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:
> According to George Neuner  <gneuner2@comcast.net>:
>>>As with most things related to freedom ... it depends.
> 
>>Not to mention that there are many countries that do not recognize
>>public domain. And even where it technically is recognized, some
>>countries have legal procedures that must be followed to relinquish
>>your rights and so complicate actually putting something into public
>>domain.
> 
> I am not aware of any countries that do not have the public domain for
> material whose copyright has expired,

My country (Poland) has a rule that once copyright has expired
distributior of work should pay royalites to the state.  In
am not sure how it works in "interesting" case, but clearly
this is quite different from US/UK meaning of public domain.

Also, law of my country declares some author right as
untransfreable.  Basically, author can sue if he/she/it
thinks that artistic integrity of the work is violated.
Theoretically, one could imagine some old, not longer commercialy
viable program to be released as public domain, new people fixing
old bugs and original developers suing that bug fixes deprive
users of orignal experience and hence violate artistic integrity.
Probably not going to work in court, but we had case when
sensible improvements to buildings were blocked by architects.

BTW.  Our copyright law has notion of "area of exploration" and
states that copyright transfer is effective only for explicitely
transferred rights.  All right in "areas of exploration" which
are not explicitely transferred stay with autors.  I guess that
training LLM would count as new "area of exploration"...

-- 
                              Waldek Hebisch

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#116964 — Re: public domain, condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived

FromJohn Levine <johnl@taugh.com>
Date2026-06-13 17:25 +0000
SubjectRe: public domain, condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived
Message-ID<110k3q7$vus$1@gal.iecc.com>
In reply to#116963
According to Waldek Hebisch <antispam@fricas.org>:
>My country (Poland) has a rule that once copyright has expired
>distributior of work should pay royalites to the state.  In
>am not sure how it works in "interesting" case, but clearly
>this is quite different from US/UK meaning of public domain.

Do distributors pay state royalties on works of Shakespeare?
The Bible?  Wow.

>Also, law of my country declares some author right as
>untransfreable.  Basically, author can sue if he/she/it
>thinks that artistic integrity of the work is violated.

Those are moral rights, introduced into Berne in the 1920s by
everyone's favorite copyright advocate, Benito Mussolini. 

The US only recognizes moral rights for visual works like
paintings and sculpture.  There was an interesting case in
2013 where the owner of a building containing artists' studios
who had allowed elaborate graffiti on the outside of the building
decided to tear it down, first whitewashing over the art.  The
artists sued and won $6.7 million.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5_Pointz

So don't let people doodle on your circuit boards, I guess.
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