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Concertina IV Has Arrived

Started byquadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid>
First post2026-05-19 20:14 +0000
Last post2026-05-30 19:03 +0000
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  Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-19 20:14 +0000
    Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-20 00:03 +0000
      Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-20 00:34 +0000
      Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-20 01:35 +0000
        Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-20 02:09 +0000
          Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-20 02:26 +0000
          Byte order and BCD (was: Concertina IV Has Arrived) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-05-20 05:38 +0000
            Re: Byte order and BCD (was: Concertina IV Has Arrived) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-05-20 08:10 +0000
              Re: Byte order and BCD (was: Concertina IV Has Arrived) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-05-20 08:36 +0000
                Re: Byte order and BCD (was: Concertina IV Has Arrived) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-05-20 10:37 +0000
                  Re: Byte order and BCD (was: Concertina IV Has Arrived) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-05-20 11:04 +0000
                    Re: Byte order and BCD (was: Concertina IV Has Arrived) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-05-20 17:01 +0000
                      Re: Byte order and BCD (was: Concertina IV Has Arrived) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-05-20 17:30 +0000
            Re: Byte order and BCD (was: Concertina IV Has Arrived) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-05-20 15:03 +0000
              Re: Byte order and BCD (was: Concertina IV Has Arrived) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-05-20 18:07 +0000
                Re: Byte order and BCD (was: Concertina IV Has Arrived) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-05-20 19:03 +0000
                  Re: Byte order and BCD Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-05-20 21:45 +0200
                    Re: Byte order and BCD scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-05-21 14:36 +0000
                Re: Byte order and BCD (was: Concertina IV Has Arrived) quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-20 22:50 +0000
                  Re: Byte order and BCD (was: Concertina IV Has Arrived) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-05-21 00:37 +0000
                    Re: Byte order and BCD (was: Concertina IV Has Arrived) quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-21 02:18 +0000
                      Re: Byte order and BCD (was: Concertina IV Has Arrived) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-05-21 06:29 +0000
                      Re: ancient virtual memory, Byte order and BCD (was: Concertina IV Has Arrived) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-05-21 15:41 +0000
            Re: Byte order and BCD (was: Concertina IV Has Arrived) quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-20 15:28 +0000
              Re: Byte order and BCD (was: Concertina IV Has Arrived) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-05-20 15:42 +0000
                Re: Byte order and BCD (was: Concertina IV Has Arrived) quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-20 17:25 +0000
                  Re: Byte order and BCD (was: Concertina IV Has Arrived) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-05-21 11:52 +0000
                Re: Byte order and BCD Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-05-20 21:33 +0200
                  Re: Byte order and BCD anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-05-21 10:29 +0000
                    Re: Byte order and BCD anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-05-21 12:04 +0000
            Re: Byte order and BCD (was: Concertina IV Has Arrived) quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-06-03 00:41 +0000
              Re: Byte order and BCD (was: Concertina IV Has Arrived) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-06-03 17:13 +0000
          Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived Bernd Linsel <bl1-thispartdoesnotbelonghere@gmx.com> - 2026-05-20 10:42 +0200
            Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-05-20 15:32 +0000
            Re: BCD, was Concertina IV Has Arrived John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-05-20 17:47 +0000
              Re: BCD, was Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-06-01 01:14 +0000
                Re: BCD, was Concertina IV Has Arrived John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-06-01 02:20 +0000
                  2s-complement and byte order (was: BCD) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-06-01 07:47 +0000
                    Re: 2s-complement and byte order (was: BCD) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-06-01 16:04 +0000
                      Re: 2s-complement and byte order (was: BCD) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-06-01 18:01 +0000
                        Re: 2s-complement and byte order (was: BCD) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-06-01 18:26 +0000
                          Re: 2s-complement and byte order (was: BCD) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-06-02 01:22 +0000
                            Re: 2s-complement and byte order (was: BCD) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-06-02 01:57 +0000
                              Re: 2s-complement and byte order (was: BCD) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-06-02 17:04 +0000
                    Re: 2s-complement and byte order (was: BCD) quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-06-01 18:08 +0000
                    Re: 2s-complement and byte order (was: BCD) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-06-01 18:13 +0000
                  Re: BCD, was Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-06-01 17:59 +0000
                    Re: BCD, was Concertina IV Has Arrived John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-06-01 20:00 +0000
                      Re: BCD, was Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-06-01 21:57 +0000
                byte order (was: BCD) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-06-01 08:36 +0000
              Re: BCD, was Concertina IV Has Arrived jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) - 2026-06-02 14:00 +0100
                Re: BCD, was Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-06-02 14:54 +0000
                  Re: BCD, was Concertina IV Has Arrived scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-06-02 16:13 +0000
                  Re: BCD, was Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-06-02 17:13 +0000
                    Re: BCD, was Concertina IV Has Arrived Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-06-02 18:25 +0000
                      Re: BCD, was Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-06-02 19:07 +0000
                    Re: BCD, was Concertina IV Has Arrived Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-06-02 11:44 -0700
                      Re: BCD, was Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-06-02 19:37 +0000
                    Re: BCD, was Concertina IV Has Arrived EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2026-06-03 08:29 -0400
                Re: BCD, was Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-06-02 17:09 +0000
                bit order and byte order (was: BCD) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-06-02 15:59 +0000
                  Re: bit order and byte order (was: BCD) quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-06-03 00:37 +0000
                    Re: bit order and byte order (was: BCD) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-06-03 17:44 +0000
                  Re: bit order and byte order (was: BCD) George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-06-03 19:05 -0400
                    Re: bit order and byte order (was: BCD) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-06-04 12:45 +0000
                Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-06-02 22:00 +0000
                  Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-06-03 00:21 +0000
                    Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-06-03 01:03 +0000
                      Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-06-03 01:52 +0000
                    Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-06-03 13:54 +0000
                      Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-06-03 15:33 +0000
                        Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-06-03 17:36 +0000
                          Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina "Brian G. Lucas" <bagel99@gmail.com> - 2026-06-04 11:53 -0500
                        Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-06-03 19:22 +0000
                          Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) - 2026-09-05 22:10 +0100
                            Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-06 09:20 +0000
                              Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-06 11:47 +0200
                                Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-06 12:17 +0000
                                  Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-06 15:24 +0200
                                    Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-06 14:41 +0000
                                      Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-06 19:20 +0200
                                        Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-06 23:51 +0000
                                          Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-07 10:10 +0200
                                            Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-07 18:22 +0000
                                              Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-07 23:24 +0200
                                                Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-07 22:00 +0000
                                                  Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-08 11:25 +0200
                                          Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-08 16:02 +0000
                                            Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-08 20:32 +0200
                                            Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-08 19:03 +0000
                                              Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-08 20:59 +0000
                                      Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-07 02:40 +0000
                              Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) - 2026-09-06 19:33 +0100
                              Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-09-07 15:57 +0000
                                Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-07 17:00 +0000
                                  Re: endian history, was BCD, was Concertina John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-09-08 13:24 +0000
                        Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-05 08:17 +0000
                          Re: endian history quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-09-05 13:52 +0000
                            Re: endian history Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-05 15:58 +0200
                              Re: endian history Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-05 14:55 +0000
                                Re: endian history Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-05 17:24 +0200
                                  Re: endian history MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-05 16:57 +0000
                                    Re: endian history quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-09-06 02:06 +0000
                                      Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-06 07:04 +0000
                                        Re: endian history quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-09-06 18:38 +0000
                                          Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-06 21:50 +0000
                                            Re: endian history quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-09-08 02:33 +0000
                                              Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-08 03:46 +0000
                                                Re: endian history quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-09-08 17:31 +0000
                                                  Re: endian history MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-08 20:13 +0000
                                                  Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-09 00:22 +0000
                                                    Re: endian history quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-09-09 01:10 +0000
                                                      Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-09 01:33 +0000
                                                      Re: endian history David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-09 11:06 +0200
                                                  Re: endian history Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-09-08 23:57 -0400
                                          Re: endian history MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-06 23:57 +0000
                                            Re: endian history Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-09-06 17:31 -0700
                                              Re: endian history Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-09-06 21:46 -0700
                                                Re: endian history Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-09-07 13:57 +0800
                                                Re: endian history Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-07 15:23 -0700
                                                  OT writing direction Re: endian history Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-09-07 20:15 -0700
                                                    Re: OT writing direction Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-08 03:44 +0000
                                                    Re: OT writing direction Re: endian history MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-08 17:23 +0000
                                                    Re: OT writing direction Re: endian history Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-15 07:49 -0700
                                                      Re: OT writing direction Re: endian history Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-09-15 10:09 -0700
                                                        Re: OT writing direction Re: endian history Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-20 07:14 -0700
                                                  Re: endian history MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-08 17:16 +0000
                                                  Re: endian history George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-09-09 20:22 -0400
                                                    Re: endian history MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-10 01:25 +0000
                                                      Re: endian history Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-10 12:09 +0200
                                                    Re: endian history Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-15 09:19 -0700
                                            Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-07 02:35 +0000
                                              Re: endian history MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-07 18:14 +0000
                                            Re: endian history Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-07 05:05 +0000
                                            Re: endian history David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-07 10:32 +0200
                                            Re: endian history quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-09-08 02:36 +0000
                                              Re: endian history Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-09-07 20:21 -0700
                                                Re: endian history David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-08 11:32 +0200
                                                  Re: endian history Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-09-08 08:31 -0700
                                            Re: endian history Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-09-17 10:23 +0200
                                        Re: endian history Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-07 15:25 -0700
                                    Re: endian history scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-06 13:57 +0000
                                      Re: endian history BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-09-06 12:41 -0500
                                        Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-06 21:53 +0000
                                          Re: endian history MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-07 00:12 +0000
                                            Re: endian history BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-09-06 23:34 -0500
                                            Re: endian history anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-08 10:29 +0000
                                      Re: endian history Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-07 13:56 +0200
                                        Re: endian history Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-07 23:54 +0300
                                          Re: endian history Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-08 05:07 +0000
                                          Re: endian history Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-08 21:14 +0200
                                Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-05 21:16 +0000
                                  Re: endian history quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-09-06 01:55 +0000
                                    Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-06 02:09 +0000
                                      Re: endian history quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-09-06 18:28 +0000
                                        Re: endian history MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-06 23:54 +0000
                                        Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-07 02:44 +0000
                                    Re: endian history MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-06 15:39 +0000
                            Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-06 07:07 +0000
                              Re: endian history scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-06 14:00 +0000
                              Re: endian history antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-09-07 20:24 +0000
                                Re: endian history Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-09-07 16:58 -0700
                                  Re: endian history quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-09-08 02:47 +0000
                                    Re: endian history Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-09-07 20:23 -0700
                                    Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-08 03:49 +0000
                                  Re: endian history scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-08 16:00 +0000
                                Re: endian history quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-09-08 02:45 +0000
                                  Re: endian history John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-09-08 08:38 +0000
                                    Re: endian history quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-09-09 01:12 +0000
                                  Re: endian history anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-08 10:56 +0000
                                    Re: endian history John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-09-08 13:34 +0000
                                      Re: endian history Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-08 21:23 +0200
                                      Re: endian history anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-09 08:04 +0000
                                        Re: endian history Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-09 23:21 +0200
                                          Base64 ISA (was: endian history) Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-09-14 12:39 -0400
                                            Re: Base64 ISA Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-15 11:26 +0200
                                    Re: endian history Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-08 19:30 +0000
                                      Re: endian history anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-09 08:22 +0000
                                      Re: endian history Paul Clayton <paaronclayton@gmail.com> - 2026-09-13 14:55 -0400
                                        Re: endian history Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-09-14 10:29 -0700
                                          Re: endian history Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-15 11:32 +0200
                                          Re: endian history Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-15 08:53 -0700
                                        Re: endian history Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-14 17:32 +0000
                                          Re: endian history Paul Clayton <paaronclayton@gmail.com> - 2026-09-23 21:09 -0400
                                            Re: endian history scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-28 15:09 +0000
                                        Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-14 23:29 +0000
                                          Re: endian history Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-15 12:49 +0200
                                            Re: endian history anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-15 13:01 +0000
                                              Re: endian history Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-15 16:51 +0200
                                        Re: endian history antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-09-16 04:41 +0000
                                          Re: endian history Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-16 05:53 +0000
                                            Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-16 07:52 +0000
                                              Re: endian history Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-09-16 07:29 -0700
                                                Re: endian history scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-16 15:49 +0000
                                          Re: endian history Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-09-16 10:48 +0200
                                            Re: endian history Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-16 16:21 +0200
                                              Re: endian history Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-18 00:38 -0700
                                                Re: endian history Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-18 17:29 +0300
                                                  Re: endian history Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-18 16:48 +0200
                                                Re: endian history Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-18 16:47 +0200
                                                  Re: endian history Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-18 15:36 -0700
                                                    Re: endian history Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-22 19:51 +0200
                                                      Re: endian history Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-23 08:28 -0700
                                                        Re: endian history Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-23 18:01 +0200
                                                          Re: endian history Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-23 10:47 -0700
                                                        Re: endian history MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-23 18:41 +0000
                                                          Re: endian history Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-23 13:15 -0700
                                                            Re: endian history Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-24 15:09 +0200
                                                              Re: endian history Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-25 02:47 -0700
                                                            Re: endian history MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-24 17:00 +0000
                                                              Re: endian history scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-24 18:35 +0000
                                                              Re: endian history Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-25 03:19 -0700
                                                              Re: endian history Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-26 07:41 +0000
                                                                Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-27 02:48 +0000
                                                                  Re: endian history Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2026-09-26 23:49 -0400
                                                                    Re: endian history Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:06 +0300
                                                                      Re: endian history Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2026-09-27 06:14 -0400
                                                                        Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-27 23:57 +0000
                                                                          Re: endian history Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-28 14:33 +0200
                                                                        Re: endian history David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-28 10:38 +0200
                                                                          Re: endian history anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-28 08:50 +0000
                                                                            Re: endian history David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-28 11:23 +0200
                                                                            Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-28 22:50 +0000
                                                                              Re: endian history anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-29 06:11 +0000
                                                                    Re: endian history MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:47 +0000
                                                                      Re: endian history John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-09-27 18:21 +0000
                                                                        Re: endian history scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-28 15:13 +0000
                                                                    Re: endian history Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-28 13:05 -0700
                                                                  Re: endian history David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-27 16:56 +0200
                                                                  Re: endian history Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-09-27 20:01 -0700
                                                                    Re: endian history Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-28 06:14 +0000
                                                                      Re: arithmetic and endian history John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-09-28 14:08 +0000
                                                                        Re: arithmetic and endian history anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-28 16:54 +0000
                                                                          Re: arithmetic and endian history John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-09-28 21:46 +0000
                                                                            Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-09-29 08:01 +0000
                                                                              Re: Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-29 14:26 +0000
                                                                              Re: Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-29 17:21 +0000
                                                                                Re: Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-29 17:28 +0000
                                                                                Re: Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-09-29 20:16 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-01 09:00 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-01 09:30 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-01 06:49 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-01 15:05 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-10-01 16:04 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-10-02 01:30 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-01 19:27 -0700
                                                                                              Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-10-02 02:45 +0000
                                                                                                Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-10-02 09:53 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-10-02 19:10 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-03 17:18 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-10-03 19:54 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-03 20:49 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-10-03 22:05 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-04 08:09 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-04 15:14 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-10-04 18:29 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-06 08:29 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-06 03:20 -0700
                                                                                                          Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-10-06 17:24 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-12 01:46 -0700
                                                                                                              Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-10-12 17:37 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-13 21:57 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-14 07:50 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-14 23:08 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-03 19:55 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-04 06:50 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-04 15:11 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-10-04 19:38 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-06 07:30 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-10-06 18:07 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-06 21:17 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-10-06 23:30 +0200
                                                                                                                  Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-07 10:16 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-10-07 19:53 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-10-03 23:49 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-10-04 01:04 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-04 07:47 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-10-04 18:02 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-11-02 09:45 -0800
                                                                                                          Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-11-02 10:12 -0800
                                                                                                          Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-02 18:43 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-11-02 20:00 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-11-02 20:28 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-11-03 01:34 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-11-03 08:35 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-11-02 20:25 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-11-05 23:36 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-06 03:22 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-11-06 06:24 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-11-06 12:08 +0100
                                                                                                                    Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-11-06 15:08 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-11-06 20:50 +0100
                                                                                                                  Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-11-06 16:50 +0100
                                                                                                                  Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-06 19:22 +0000
                                                                                                                    carry-in (was: two's complement and Flags) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-11-07 07:41 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: carry-in (was: two's complement and Flags) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-11-07 12:09 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: carry-in (was: two's complement and Flags) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-11-07 16:19 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: carry-in (was: two's complement and Flags) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-11-07 18:20 +0000
                                                                                                                            6502 vs Z80 (was: carry-in) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-11-07 18:35 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: carry-in (was: two's complement and Flags) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-07 22:38 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: carry-in antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-11-08 18:52 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: carry-in Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-11-07 10:17 -0800
                                                                                                                        Re: carry-in in history John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-07 19:00 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: carry-in Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-07 22:37 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: carry-in (was: two's complement and Flags) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-07 18:44 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: carry-in (was: two's complement and Flags) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-07 22:33 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: carry-in (was: two's complement and Flags) George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-11-08 02:55 -0500
                                                                                                                          Re: carry-in Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2026-11-08 07:50 -0500
                                                                                                                      Re: carry-in (was: two's complement and Flags) quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-11-09 02:09 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-11-06 15:28 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-07 02:36 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-11-07 13:52 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-11-06 10:51 -0800
                                                                                                          Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-11-02 19:14 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-11-02 20:37 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-11-03 01:36 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-11-03 15:09 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-11-03 06:59 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-11-04 03:01 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-04 03:36 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-03 02:39 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-11-04 18:06 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-04 18:20 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-11-04 21:53 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-11-04 23:08 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-11-05 08:14 -0800
                                                                                                                Re: bad floating point, two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-05 17:26 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-06 08:28 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-10-04 07:57 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-10-04 08:14 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-04 09:49 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-04 11:22 +0000
                                                                                                Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-10-02 10:01 +0000
                                                                                                Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-02 21:19 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: two's complement and Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-10-03 19:40 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-02 05:45 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-02 07:54 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-10-02 19:07 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-02 20:33 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-01 09:17 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-01 16:45 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-01 18:42 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) moi <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2026-10-03 02:30 +0100
                                                                                          Re: Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-03 17:43 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) moi <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2026-10-04 23:44 +0100
                                                                              Re: Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-10-01 07:45 +0000
                                                                                Re: Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-10-01 07:51 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-10-02 01:31 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-10-02 02:29 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Flags (Re: arithmetic and endian history) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-10-02 02:46 +0000
                                                                      Re: endian history Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-09-28 08:45 -0700
                                                                      Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-29 03:15 +0000
                                                                    Re: endian history scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-28 15:19 +0000
                                                              Re: endian history Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-09-28 14:37 -0400
                                                                Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-29 22:47 +0000
                                                                  Re: endian history David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-30 08:39 +0200
                                                                  Re: endian history aph@littlepinkcloud.invalid - 2026-09-30 08:52 +0000
                                                                    Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-30 22:26 +0000
                                                                      Re: endian history aph@littlepinkcloud.invalid - 2026-10-01 10:44 +0000
                                                                        Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-01 21:53 +0000
                                                                          Re: endian history David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-02 11:11 +0200
                                                                            Re: endian history BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-10-02 16:17 -0500
                                                                          Re: endian history aph@littlepinkcloud.invalid - 2026-10-02 14:25 +0000
                                                                            Re: endian history BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-10-02 16:46 -0500
                                                                              Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-03 02:43 +0000
                                                                                Re: endian history BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-10-03 00:54 -0500
                                                                                  Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-03 06:15 +0000
                                                                                    Re: endian history BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-10-03 18:51 -0500
                                                                                      Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-04 02:35 +0000
                                                                                  Re: endian history Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2026-10-03 10:25 -0400
                                                                                    Re: endian history BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-10-03 16:59 -0500
                                                                                Re: endian history George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-10-03 15:04 -0400
                                                                            Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-02 21:53 +0000
                                                                    Re: endian history anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-01 07:34 +0000
                                                                    Re: endian history Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-01 07:00 -0700
                                                                      Re: endian history anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-01 15:20 +0000
                                                                        Re: endian history Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-01 09:15 -0700
                                                                          Re: endian history Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-01 19:23 +0300
                                                                            Re: endian history Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-02 21:31 -0700
                                                                              Re: endian history anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-03 10:25 +0000
                                                                          Re: endian history anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-01 16:36 +0000
                                                                            Re: endian history scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-01 18:38 +0000
                                                                              Re: endian history George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-10-01 15:17 -0400
                                                                              Re: endian history anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-01 21:20 +0000
                                                                            Re: endian history MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-10-01 19:55 +0000
                                                                              Re: endian history David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-02 11:21 +0200
                                                                                Re: endian history Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-02 12:47 +0300
                                                                                  Re: endian history David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-02 12:57 +0200
                                                                                    Re: endian history Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-02 14:44 +0300
                                                                                      Re: endian history David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-02 15:28 +0200
                                                                                  Re: endian history Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-03 05:29 -0700
                                                                        Re: endian history EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2026-10-01 13:12 -0400
                                                                          Re: endian history anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-10-01 17:41 +0000
                                                                            Re: endian history BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-10-01 18:07 -0500
                                                                              Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-02 02:44 +0000
                                                                                Re: endian history BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-10-01 22:06 -0500
                                                                                Re: endian history MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-10-02 18:05 +0000
                                                                              Re: endian history MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-10-02 18:00 +0000
                                                                                Re: endian history BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-10-02 13:51 -0500
                                                                                Re: endian history scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-03 14:14 +0000
                                                                              Re: endian history EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2026-10-04 14:19 -0400
                                                                            Re: endian history EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2026-10-04 13:59 -0400
                                                                      Re: endian history aph@littlepinkcloud.invalid - 2026-10-02 15:18 +0000
                                                                        Re: endian history BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-10-02 14:57 -0500
                                                                          Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-03 02:30 +0000
                                                                            Re: endian history BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-10-03 05:26 -0500
                                                                          Re: endian history Andy Valencia <vandys@vsta.org> - 2026-10-05 15:53 -0700
                                                                            Re: endian history Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-06 08:18 +0000
                                                                            Re: endian history George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-10-06 13:40 -0400
                                                                            Re: endian history Andy Valencia <vandys@vsta.org> - 2026-10-06 10:49 -0700
                                                                              Re: endian history Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-10-07 08:54 -0400
                                                                                Re: endian history Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> - 2026-10-08 18:33 +0000
                                                                        Re: endian history Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-03 04:44 -0700
                                                    Re: endian history MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-22 18:16 +0000
                                                      Re: endian history Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-22 20:27 +0200
                                                      Re: endian history Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-22 16:55 -0700
                                            Re: endian history Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-09-16 16:17 +0000
                                  Re: endian history scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-08 16:01 +0000
                                  Re: endian history Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-09-08 21:17 +0200
                                    Re: endian history MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-08 20:15 +0000
                                      Re: endian history David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-09 11:08 +0200
          Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-20 18:13 +0000
        Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-20 07:21 +0000
          Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-21 00:06 +0000
            Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-21 07:03 +0000
              Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-21 13:42 +0000
              Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-21 18:32 +0000
                Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-21 22:21 +0000
                  Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-05-22 07:35 +0000
                    Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-22 15:48 +0000
                      Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-22 21:22 +0000
                        Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-05-23 09:28 +0000
                          Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-23 17:01 +0000
                            Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-05-23 18:37 +0000
                          Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2026-05-23 14:15 -0400
                            Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-23 20:01 +0000
                        Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-23 16:19 +0000
                          Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-05-23 16:38 +0000
                      Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-05-23 08:36 +0000
                        Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-05-23 16:46 +0000
                        Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-05-23 19:33 +0000
                          Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-23 20:03 +0000
                            Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-05-23 20:09 +0000
                              Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-23 22:15 +0000
                                Re: base+displacement, condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-05-24 01:43 +0000
                                  Re: base+displacement, condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-24 03:10 +0000
                                    Re: base+displacement, condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-05-24 17:06 +0000
                                  Re: base+displacement, condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-24 13:57 +0000
                                    Re: base+displacement, condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-05-24 15:12 +0000
                                      Re: base+displacement, condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-24 16:44 +0000
                              Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-24 13:30 +0000
                                Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-05-24 15:24 +0000
                                  Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-24 16:39 +0000
                                    Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-26 15:13 +0000
                            Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-24 13:32 +0000
                              Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-24 13:49 +0000
                                Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-24 14:14 +0000
                          Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-05-24 09:32 +0000
                            Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-24 17:16 +0000
                              Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-24 17:32 +0000
                                Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-24 21:39 +0000
                                  Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-24 22:07 +0000
                                    Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-05-24 15:22 -0700
                                  Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-25 10:23 +0200
                                    Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-05-25 14:28 +0000
                                      Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-25 17:18 +0200
                                        Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-05-25 16:43 +0000
                                          Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-25 19:20 +0000
                                            Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-25 20:32 +0000
                                              Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-25 22:51 +0000
                                            Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-05-25 20:32 +0000
                                              Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-25 23:00 +0000
                                                Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-26 08:27 +0200
                                                  Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-05-26 22:09 +0200
                                                    Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-26 20:54 +0000
                                                      Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-05-27 10:59 -0400
                                                        Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-27 18:19 +0000
                                                          Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-01 14:51 -0400
                                                            Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-06-02 06:19 +0000
                                                              Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-06-02 07:47 +0000
                                                            Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-06-02 17:50 +0200
                                                              Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-06-02 19:10 +0000
                                                                Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-06-03 00:55 +0000
                                                                  Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-03 10:42 -0400
                                                                    Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-06-03 18:36 +0000
                                                                      Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-04 23:46 -0400
                                                                        Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-06-05 08:36 +0000
                                                                        Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-06-07 15:05 -0700
                                                                          Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-06-08 01:19 +0000
                                                                            Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-08 09:25 +0300
                                                                              Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-06-08 11:45 +0200
                                                                                Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-08 17:44 -0400
                                                                                  Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-06-11 15:14 +0000
                                                                                  Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-06-11 13:43 -0400
                                                                                    Re: public domain, condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-06-13 03:01 +0000
                                                                                      Re: public domain, condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-06-13 05:49 -0400
                                                                                        Re: public domain, condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-06-13 10:52 +0000
                                                                                          Re: public domain, condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-06-13 14:20 +0000
                                                                                      Re: public domain, condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-06-13 15:07 +0000
                                                                                        Re: public domain, condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-06-13 17:25 +0000
                                                                                          Re: public domain, condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-06-15 16:32 +0000
                                                                                        Re: public domain, condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-06-14 19:14 +0000
                                                                              Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-06-08 17:11 +0000
                                                                          Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-06-08 06:05 +0000
                                                                            Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-06-08 07:30 -0700
                                                                              Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-06-08 15:19 +0000
                                                                                Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-08 22:51 +0300
                                                                              Free software (was: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-06-08 16:18 +0000
                                                                                Re: Free software Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-06-08 10:40 -0700
                                                                                Re: Free software (was: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived) Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-08 22:43 +0300
                                                                                  Re: Free software (was: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-06-09 17:24 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Free software Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2026-06-09 21:15 +0200
                                                                                      Re: Free software Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-06-09 16:29 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Free software (was: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-06-10 06:01 +0000
                                                                                Re: Free software Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-08 18:03 -0400
                                                                                  Re: Free software David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-06-09 10:06 +0200
                                                                                    Re: Free software Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-11 15:21 -0400
                                                                                      Re: Free software David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-06-12 13:02 +0200
                                                                          Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-06-08 09:18 -0400
                                                                    Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-06-03 21:24 +0000
                                                                  Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-06-05 15:07 -0400
                                                                    Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-06-06 08:57 +0000
                                                                    Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-06-07 16:42 +0000
                                              Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-06-06 01:37 +0000
                                                Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-06-06 07:57 +0000
                                                  Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-06-12 01:57 +0000
                                          Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-26 08:18 +0200
                                          Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-06-12 01:04 +0000
                                        Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-05-25 15:27 -0400
                                      Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-25 16:49 +0000
                                        Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-25 20:34 +0000
                                          Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-05-25 20:02 -0500
                                            Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-26 18:02 +0000
                                              Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-05-26 14:28 -0500
                                      Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-05-25 16:34 -0500
                                        Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-25 23:05 +0000
                                          Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-05-26 15:29 -0400
                                            Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-05-26 19:13 -0500
                                    Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-25 20:26 +0000
                                      Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-25 22:49 +0000
                                      Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-05-26 05:39 +0000
                                    Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-05-25 20:32 +0000
                                      Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-25 22:59 +0000
                                        Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-05-27 15:24 -0500
                            Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-24 17:30 +0000
                    Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-22 15:48 +0000
              Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-21 22:14 +0000
                Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-21 23:46 +0000
                  Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-22 02:20 +0000
              Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-05-22 07:22 +0000
        Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-21 02:33 +0000
          Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-21 06:12 +0000
            Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-21 13:13 +0000
              Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-21 13:22 +0000
          Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-21 18:26 +0000
            Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-21 23:44 +0000
        Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-25 01:04 +0000
          Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-25 01:29 +0000
          Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-25 16:45 +0000
            Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-25 20:45 +0000
              Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-25 23:03 +0000
                Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-30 04:02 +0000
                  Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-05-30 15:47 +0000
                    Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-30 19:15 +0000
                      Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2026-05-31 11:05 -0700
                        Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-31 18:40 +0000
                          Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-06-01 19:56 +0000
                            Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-06-01 23:40 +0000
                            Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-06-02 06:20 +0000
                            Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-06-04 04:06 +0000
                              Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-06-04 04:44 +0000
                        Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-06-01 01:40 +0000
                          Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-06-01 05:36 +0000
                            Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> - 2026-06-01 18:10 +0000
                      Re: Concertina IV Has Arrived Paul Clayton <paaronclayton@gmail.com> - 2026-05-31 18:38 -0400
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#116980 — Re: public domain, condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived

Fromantispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch)
Date2026-06-15 16:32 +0000
SubjectRe: public domain, condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived
Message-ID<110p9fd$2i0n6$1@paganini.bofh.team>
In reply to#116964
John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:
> According to Waldek Hebisch <antispam@fricas.org>:
>>My country (Poland) has a rule that once copyright has expired
>>distributior of work should pay royalites to the state.  In
>>am not sure how it works in "interesting" case, but clearly
>>this is quite different from US/UK meaning of public domain.
> 
> Do distributors pay state royalties on works of Shakespeare?
> The Bible?  Wow.

I am not sure how they handle what in english zone is called
"derived works".  If they reproduce first edition of Shakespeare
work or say Gutenberg Bible distributors are supposed to pay
(and I think that they do pay).  Copyright to currently sold
Bible is attributed to translators.

-- 
                              Waldek Hebisch

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#116974 — Re: public domain, condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived

Fromquadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard)
Date2026-06-14 19:14 +0000
SubjectRe: public domain, condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived
Message-ID<6a2efcba.7059015@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#116963
On Sat, 13 Jun 2026 15:07:00 -0000 (UTC), antispam@fricas.org (Waldek
Hebisch) wrote:

>My country (Poland) has a rule that once copyright has expired
>distributior of work should pay royalites to the state.  In
>am not sure how it works in "interesting" case, but clearly
>this is quite different from US/UK meaning of public domain.

I once read a science-fiction story in which, after Earth joined an
interplanetary confederation, works that were in the public domain
became works for which the United Nations could charge royalties to
people from other planets.

The story was a detective story. It wasn't Shakespeare, but instead
Bollywood movies that a criminal was modifying and re-selling to a
planet to the culture of which those movies were well suited.

>Also, law of my country declares some author right as
>untransfreable.  Basically, author can sue if he/she/it
>thinks that artistic integrity of the work is violated.

Most European countries recognize the moral rights of authors.

John Savard

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#116901 — Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived

Fromquadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid>
Date2026-06-08 17:11 +0000
SubjectRe: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived
Message-ID<1106t46$3cpgr$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#116896
On Mon, 08 Jun 2026 09:25:32 +0300, Michael S wrote:
> On Mon, 8 Jun 2026 01:19:17 -0000 (UTC)
> quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> wrote:
>> On Sun, 07 Jun 2026 15:05:24 -0700, Stephen Fuld wrote:

>> > Note that free does not equal open source.  There is a fair amount of
>> > software that is freely available for which the source is not. Many
>> > of these are reduced functionality versions of paid for software,
>> > e.g. Adobe PDF reader, but there are others.

>> Commonly, when this distinction is discussed in the open-source
>> community, the phrases "free as in beer" and "free as in freedom" are
>> used to distinguish between freeware that remains proprietary versus
>> true open- source software under the GPL.

> I strongly disagree with statement that true open source software is
> equivalent of GPL.

I did not mean to imply that _only_ GPL-licensed software is truly open 
source. The GPL license is only the most common example. There is, as 
another reply has already noted, also MIT-licensed software and public 
domain software.

And the term "open source", of course, is broader than this, as well. It 
isn't incorrect to use that term for any software the source code of which 
is open to inspection, even if the software itself is proprietary.

John Savard

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#116895 — Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived

Fromanton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl)
Date2026-06-08 06:05 +0000
SubjectRe: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived
Message-ID<2026Jun8.080559@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at>
In reply to#116893
Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> writes:
>On 6/4/2026 8:46 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote:
>> I started this thread by mentioning Free Software.  🙂
>
>Note that free does not equal open source.  There is a fair amount of 
>software that is freely available for which the source is not.  Many of 
>these are reduced functionality versions of paid for software, e.g. 
>Adobe PDF reader, but there are others.

The Adobe PDF reader is chained software (aka proprietary software),
not free software.

In the appendix of "1984" George Orwell wrote:

|To give a single example, the word free still existed in Newspeak, but
|could only be used in such statements as "The dog is free from lice"
|or "This field is free from weeds." It could not be used in its old
|sense of "politically free" or "intellectually free," since political
|and intellectual freedom no longer existed even as concepts, and were
|therefore of necessity nameless.

Some of us obviously already write and think in Newspeak.

- anton
-- 
'Anyone trying for "industrial quality" ISA should avoid undefined behavior.'
  Mitch Alsup, <c17fcd89-f024-40e7-a594-88a85ac10d20o@googlegroups.com>

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#116898 — Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived

FromStephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid>
Date2026-06-08 07:30 -0700
SubjectRe: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived
Message-ID<1106jmm$39kpf$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#116895
On 6/7/2026 11:05 PM, Anton Ertl wrote:
> Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> writes:
>> On 6/4/2026 8:46 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote:
>>> I started this thread by mentioning Free Software.  🙂
>>
>> Note that free does not equal open source.  There is a fair amount of
>> software that is freely available for which the source is not.  Many of
>> these are reduced functionality versions of paid for software, e.g.
>> Adobe PDF reader, but there are others.
> 
> The Adobe PDF reader is chained software (aka proprietary software),
> not free software.

I don't want to get into a semantic argument here.  I don't know what 
you mean by the term "chained software".   I only meant that anyone 
could use it without paying anything to anyone.  In the sense that John 
talked about, it is free beer.

If I misinterpreted Stefan's use of the word free, then I apologize.




> 
> In the appendix of "1984" George Orwell wrote:
> 
> |To give a single example, the word free still existed in Newspeak, but
> |could only be used in such statements as "The dog is free from lice"
> |or "This field is free from weeds." It could not be used in its old
> |sense of "politically free" or "intellectually free," since political
> |and intellectual freedom no longer existed even as concepts, and were
> |therefore of necessity nameless.
> 
> Some of us obviously already write and think in Newspeak.

I hardly think that using the word free to mean "you don't have to pay 
for it" is Newspeak.


-- 
  - Stephen Fuld
(e-mail address disguised to prevent spam)

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#116899 — Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived

Fromscott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
Date2026-06-08 15:19 +0000
SubjectRe: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived
Message-ID<x4BVR.7080$WQ_e.2626@fx14.iad>
In reply to#116898
Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> writes:
>On 6/7/2026 11:05 PM, Anton Ertl wrote:
>> Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> writes:
>>> On 6/4/2026 8:46 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote:
>>>> I started this thread by mentioning Free Software.  🙂
>>>
>>> Note that free does not equal open source.  There is a fair amount of
>>> software that is freely available for which the source is not.  Many of
>>> these are reduced functionality versions of paid for software, e.g.
>>> Adobe PDF reader, but there are others.
>> 
>> The Adobe PDF reader is chained software (aka proprietary software),
>> not free software.
>
>I don't want to get into a semantic argument here.  I don't know what 
>you mean by the term "chained software".   I only meant that anyone 
>could use it without paying anything to anyone.  In the sense that John 
>talked about, it is free beer.

Acroread sends basic telemetry to Adobe every time you use it,
so in a sense, it's not exactly free.

xpdf on the other hand....

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#116906 — Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived

FromMichael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com>
Date2026-06-08 22:51 +0300
SubjectRe: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived
Message-ID<20260608225152.000039ae@yahoo.com>
In reply to#116899
On Mon, 08 Jun 2026 15:19:57 GMT
scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote:

> Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> writes:
> >On 6/7/2026 11:05 PM, Anton Ertl wrote:  
> >> Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> writes:  
> >>> On 6/4/2026 8:46 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote:  
> >>>> I started this thread by mentioning Free Software.  🙂  
> >>>
> >>> Note that free does not equal open source.  There is a fair
> >>> amount of software that is freely available for which the source
> >>> is not.  Many of these are reduced functionality versions of paid
> >>> for software, e.g. Adobe PDF reader, but there are others.  
> >> 
> >> The Adobe PDF reader is chained software (aka proprietary
> >> software), not free software.  
> >
> >I don't want to get into a semantic argument here.  I don't know
> >what you mean by the term "chained software".   I only meant that
> >anyone could use it without paying anything to anyone.  In the sense
> >that John talked about, it is free beer.  
> 
> Acroread sends basic telemetry to Adobe every time you use it,
> so in a sense, it's not exactly free.
> 
> xpdf on the other hand....
> 

I prefer SumatraPdf. GPL3, but not avalable outside Windows.

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#116900 — Free software (was: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived)

Fromanton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl)
Date2026-06-08 16:18 +0000
SubjectFree software (was: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived)
Message-ID<2026Jun8.181837@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at>
In reply to#116898
Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> writes:
>On 6/7/2026 11:05 PM, Anton Ertl wrote:
>> Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> writes:
>>> On 6/4/2026 8:46 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote:
>>>> I started this thread by mentioning Free Software.  🙂
>>>
>>> Note that free does not equal open source.  There is a fair amount of
>>> software that is freely available for which the source is not.  Many of
>>> these are reduced functionality versions of paid for software, e.g.
>>> Adobe PDF reader, but there are others.
>> 
>> The Adobe PDF reader is chained software (aka proprietary software),
>> not free software.
>
>I don't want to get into a semantic argument here.  I don't know what 
>you mean by the term "chained software".

Non-free software.  I put the more commonly used term in parentheses.

>I only meant that anyone 
>could use it without paying anything to anyone.

That's not what "free software" means.  The four essential freedoms of
software are
<https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.html#fs-definition>:

|* The freedom to run the program as you wish, for any purpose (freedom 0).
|
|* The freedom to study how the program works, and change it so it does
|  your computing as you wish (freedom 1). Access to the source code is
|  a precondition for this.
|
|* The freedom to redistribute copies so you can help others (freedom 2).
|
|* The freedom to distribute copies of your modified versions to others
|  (freedom 3). By doing this you can give the whole community a chance
|  to benefit from your changes. Access to the source code is a
|  precondition for this.
|
|A program is free software if it gives users adequately all of these
|freedoms. Otherwise, it is nonfree.

>> In the appendix of "1984" George Orwell wrote:
>> 
>> |To give a single example, the word free still existed in Newspeak, but
>> |could only be used in such statements as "The dog is free from lice"
>> |or "This field is free from weeds." It could not be used in its old
>> |sense of "politically free" or "intellectually free," since political
>> |and intellectual freedom no longer existed even as concepts, and were
>> |therefore of necessity nameless.
>> 
>> Some of us obviously already write and think in Newspeak.
>
>I hardly think that using the word free to mean "you don't have to pay 
>for it" is Newspeak.

Orwell did not think about that meaning when he gave an example of
Newspeak use of "free", so if the meaning "gratis" for "free" existed
when he wrote the book in 1949, it was not widely-enough used to make
it into the book.  In any case, the meaning "free from lice" existed
when Orwell wrote the book and still exists in Newspeak.  Newspeak
does not introduce new meanings, but the elimines the "freedom"
meaning.  And in your case, Newspeak obviously has been successful
(not the Ingsoc variant ("free from lice"), but the surveillance
capitalism variant ("you don't pay [money] for it")).

- anton
-- 
'Anyone trying for "industrial quality" ISA should avoid undefined behavior.'
  Mitch Alsup, <c17fcd89-f024-40e7-a594-88a85ac10d20o@googlegroups.com>

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#116902 — Re: Free software

FromStephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid>
Date2026-06-08 10:40 -0700
SubjectRe: Free software
Message-ID<1106uq2$3dem4$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#116900
On 6/8/2026 9:18 AM, Anton Ertl wrote:
> Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> writes:
>> On 6/7/2026 11:05 PM, Anton Ertl wrote:
>>> Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> writes:
>>>> On 6/4/2026 8:46 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote:
>>>>> I started this thread by mentioning Free Software.  🙂
>>>>
>>>> Note that free does not equal open source.  There is a fair amount of
>>>> software that is freely available for which the source is not.  Many of
>>>> these are reduced functionality versions of paid for software, e.g.
>>>> Adobe PDF reader, but there are others.
>>>
>>> The Adobe PDF reader is chained software (aka proprietary software),
>>> not free software.
>>
>> I don't want to get into a semantic argument here.  I don't know what
>> you mean by the term "chained software".
> 
> Non-free software.  I put the more commonly used term in parentheses.

OK.

> 
>> I only meant that anyone
>> could use it without paying anything to anyone.
> 
> That's not what "free software" means.  The four essential freedoms of
> software are
> <https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.html#fs-definition>:
> 
> |* The freedom to run the program as you wish, for any purpose (freedom 0).
> |
> |* The freedom to study how the program works, and change it so it does
> |  your computing as you wish (freedom 1). Access to the source code is
> |  a precondition for this.
> |
> |* The freedom to redistribute copies so you can help others (freedom 2).
> |
> |* The freedom to distribute copies of your modified versions to others
> |  (freedom 3). By doing this you can give the whole community a chance
> |  to benefit from your changes. Access to the source code is a
> |  precondition for this.
> |
> |A program is free software if it gives users adequately all of these
> |freedoms. Otherwise, it is nonfree.

That is certainly *a* definition.  It is obviously your preferred 
definition.  But there are others.

snipped the Orwell quotation.

Can you accept that others might have a different definition without 
insulting them?  (I take the assertion that I am using Newspeak as an 
insult.)


-- 
  - Stephen Fuld
(e-mail address disguised to prevent spam)

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#116905 — Re: Free software (was: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived)

FromMichael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com>
Date2026-06-08 22:43 +0300
SubjectRe: Free software (was: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived)
Message-ID<20260608224340.00007acf@yahoo.com>
In reply to#116900
On Mon, 08 Jun 2026 16:18:37 GMT
anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) wrote:

> Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> writes:
> >On 6/7/2026 11:05 PM, Anton Ertl wrote:  
> >> Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> writes:  
> >>> On 6/4/2026 8:46 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote:  
> >>>> I started this thread by mentioning Free Software.  🙂  
> >>>
> >>> Note that free does not equal open source.  There is a fair
> >>> amount of software that is freely available for which the source
> >>> is not.  Many of these are reduced functionality versions of paid
> >>> for software, e.g. Adobe PDF reader, but there are others.  
> >> 
> >> The Adobe PDF reader is chained software (aka proprietary
> >> software), not free software.  
> >
> >I don't want to get into a semantic argument here.  I don't know
> >what you mean by the term "chained software".  
> 
> Non-free software.  I put the more commonly used term in parentheses.
> 
> >I only meant that anyone 
> >could use it without paying anything to anyone.  
> 
> That's not what "free software" means.  The four essential freedoms of
> software are
> <https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.html#fs-definition>:
> 
> |* The freedom to run the program as you wish, for any purpose
> (freedom 0). |
> |* The freedom to study how the program works, and change it so it
> does |  your computing as you wish (freedom 1). Access to the source
> code is |  a precondition for this.
> |
> |* The freedom to redistribute copies so you can help others (freedom
> 2). |
> |* The freedom to distribute copies of your modified versions to
> others |  (freedom 3). By doing this you can give the whole community
> a chance |  to benefit from your changes. Access to the source code
> is a |  precondition for this.
> |
> |A program is free software if it gives users adequately all of these
> |freedoms. Otherwise, it is nonfree.
> 
> >> In the appendix of "1984" George Orwell wrote:
> >> 
> >> |To give a single example, the word free still existed in
> >> Newspeak, but |could only be used in such statements as "The dog
> >> is free from lice" |or "This field is free from weeds." It could
> >> not be used in its old |sense of "politically free" or
> >> "intellectually free," since political |and intellectual freedom
> >> no longer existed even as concepts, and were |therefore of
> >> necessity nameless.
> >> 
> >> Some of us obviously already write and think in Newspeak.  
> >
> >I hardly think that using the word free to mean "you don't have to
> >pay for it" is Newspeak.  
> 
> Orwell did not think about that meaning when he gave an example of
> Newspeak use of "free", so if the meaning "gratis" for "free" existed
> when he wrote the book in 1949, it was not widely-enough used to make
> it into the book.  In any case, the meaning "free from lice" existed
> when Orwell wrote the book and still exists in Newspeak.  Newspeak
> does not introduce new meanings, but the elimines the "freedom"
> meaning.  And in your case, Newspeak obviously has been successful
> (not the Ingsoc variant ("free from lice"), but the surveillance
> capitalism variant ("you don't pay [money] for it")).
> 
> - anton

I tend to think that it was the other way around.
RMS invented a new meaning of the term "free software" and then he and
his devotees started to insist that it the the only correct meaning.






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#116914 — Re: Free software (was: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived)

Fromanton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl)
Date2026-06-09 17:24 +0000
SubjectRe: Free software (was: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived)
Message-ID<2026Jun9.192424@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at>
In reply to#116905
Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> writes:
>On Mon, 08 Jun 2026 16:18:37 GMT
>anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) wrote:
>> Orwell did not think about that meaning when he gave an example of
>> Newspeak use of "free", so if the meaning "gratis" for "free" existed
>> when he wrote the book in 1949, it was not widely-enough used to make
>> it into the book.  In any case, the meaning "free from lice" existed
>> when Orwell wrote the book and still exists in Newspeak.  Newspeak
>> does not introduce new meanings, but the elimines the "freedom"
>> meaning.  And in your case, Newspeak obviously has been successful
>> (not the Ingsoc variant ("free from lice"), but the surveillance
>> capitalism variant ("you don't pay [money] for it")).
>>=20
>> - anton
>
>I tend to think that it was the other way around.
>RMS invented a new meaning of the term "free software"

The story that I read was that all software originally was free in the
FSF sense (i.e., provided the four freedoms).[1] Then some people
removed some or all freedoms from some software, typically with the
goal of making money from the software.  Removing the freedoms and yet
not asking for money is a later development; this has often been
called shareware or freeware, but Stephen Fuld is the first one I have
seen who has called it "free software", and actually misunderstood a
reference to "Free Software" (capitalized).

[1] As an example, <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SHARE_(computing)>
states:

|Originally, IBM distributed what software it provided in source
|form[2][3][4] and systems programmers commonly made small local
|additions or modifications and exchanged them with other users.

All four freedoms were exercised here, more than two decades before
the Free Software Foundation.

- anton
-- 
'Anyone trying for "industrial quality" ISA should avoid undefined behavior.'
  Mitch Alsup, <c17fcd89-f024-40e7-a594-88a85ac10d20o@googlegroups.com>

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#116916 — Re: Free software

FromTerje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no>
Date2026-06-09 21:15 +0200
SubjectRe: Free software
Message-ID<1109oot$893f$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#116914
Anton Ertl wrote:
> Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> writes:
>> On Mon, 08 Jun 2026 16:18:37 GMT
>> anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) wrote:
>>> Orwell did not think about that meaning when he gave an example of
>>> Newspeak use of "free", so if the meaning "gratis" for "free" existed
>>> when he wrote the book in 1949, it was not widely-enough used to make
>>> it into the book.  In any case, the meaning "free from lice" existed
>>> when Orwell wrote the book and still exists in Newspeak.  Newspeak
>>> does not introduce new meanings, but the elimines the "freedom"
>>> meaning.  And in your case, Newspeak obviously has been successful
>>> (not the Ingsoc variant ("free from lice"), but the surveillance
>>> capitalism variant ("you don't pay [money] for it")).
>>> =20
>>> - anton
>>
>> I tend to think that it was the other way around.
>> RMS invented a new meaning of the term "free software"
> 
> The story that I read was that all software originally was free in the
> FSF sense (i.e., provided the four freedoms).[1] Then some people
> removed some or all freedoms from some software, typically with the
> goal of making money from the software.  Removing the freedoms and yet
> not asking for money is a later development; this has often been
> called shareware or freeware, but Stephen Fuld is the first one I have
> seen who has called it "free software", and actually misunderstood a
> reference to "Free Software" (capitalized).
> 
> [1] As an example, <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SHARE_(computing)>
> states:
> 
> |Originally, IBM distributed what software it provided in source
> |form[2][3][4] and systems programmers commonly made small local
> |additions or modifications and exchanged them with other users.
> 
> All four freedoms were exercised here, more than two decades before
> the Free Software Foundation.

Yes, with one importnt restriction:

The software was free, but you could not use it except on IBM hardware, 
which was quite expensive.

When clones started to appear (Amdahl?) I believe the free sw 
disappeared, now it was explicitly licensed to only run on "real" IBM 
hardware?

Terje


-- 
- <Terje.Mathisen at tmsw.no>
"almost all programming can be viewed as an exercise in caching"

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#116922 — Re: Free software

FromStephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid>
Date2026-06-09 16:29 -0700
SubjectRe: Free software
Message-ID<110a7k0$cgae$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#116916
On 6/9/2026 12:15 PM, Terje Mathisen wrote:
> Anton Ertl wrote:
>> Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> writes:
>>> On Mon, 08 Jun 2026 16:18:37 GMT
>>> anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) wrote:
>>>> Orwell did not think about that meaning when he gave an example of
>>>> Newspeak use of "free", so if the meaning "gratis" for "free" existed
>>>> when he wrote the book in 1949, it was not widely-enough used to make
>>>> it into the book.  In any case, the meaning "free from lice" existed
>>>> when Orwell wrote the book and still exists in Newspeak.  Newspeak
>>>> does not introduce new meanings, but the elimines the "freedom"
>>>> meaning.  And in your case, Newspeak obviously has been successful
>>>> (not the Ingsoc variant ("free from lice"), but the surveillance
>>>> capitalism variant ("you don't pay [money] for it")).
>>>> =20
>>>> - anton
>>>
>>> I tend to think that it was the other way around.
>>> RMS invented a new meaning of the term "free software"
>>
>> The story that I read was that all software originally was free in the
>> FSF sense (i.e., provided the four freedoms).[1] Then some people
>> removed some or all freedoms from some software, typically with the
>> goal of making money from the software.  Removing the freedoms and yet
>> not asking for money is a later development; this has often been
>> called shareware or freeware, but Stephen Fuld is the first one I have
>> seen who has called it "free software", and actually misunderstood a
>> reference to "Free Software" (capitalized).
>>
>> [1] As an example, <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SHARE_(computing)>
>> states:
>>
>> |Originally, IBM distributed what software it provided in source
>> |form[2][3][4] and systems programmers commonly made small local
>> |additions or modifications and exchanged them with other users.
>>
>> All four freedoms were exercised here, more than two decades before
>> the Free Software Foundation.
> 
> Yes, with one importnt restriction:
> 
> The software was free, but you could not use it except on IBM hardware, 
> which was quite expensive.
> 
> When clones started to appear (Amdahl?) I believe the free sw 
> disappeared, now it was explicitly licensed to only run on "real" IBM 
> hardware?

Sort of, but it was more complicated than that.  In the 1960s (and 
before), IBM "bundled" (i.e. it was freely included) all software with 
the hardware.  In 1969, the US government filed an anti-trust case 
against IBM, claiming, among other things, monopolization of the 
software market.  One of the Government's goals was to support an 
independent software market (which couldn't exist if IBM gave everything 
away for free).  The suit dragged on for years and was ultimately 
withdrawn, but IBM was scared about what the suit could do.  So it 
initiated "unbundling" of software (and other things like education 
classes), now charging separately for each software product the customer 
wanted.  This was ultimately successful for the government, leading to 
the success of companies like Syncsort (1971), and later several 
competitive database systems (e.g Total, IDMS, etc.)  But it also 
allowed Amdahl (in 1971), and later other PCM hardware companies, to 
sell competitive CPUs with the assurance that they could license the OS, 
etc. from IBM.



-- 
  - Stephen Fuld
(e-mail address disguised to prevent spam)

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#116927 — Re: Free software (was: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived)

FromThomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de>
Date2026-06-10 06:01 +0000
SubjectRe: Free software (was: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived)
Message-ID<110aujf$hitk$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#116914
Anton Ertl <anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> schrieb:

> The story that I read was that all software originally was free in the
> FSF sense (i.e., provided the four freedoms).[1]

There is an anecdote in "Abstracting Away the Machine".
IBM supplied a customer with its Fortran compiler (Fortran I at
the time).  The customer noted that tape use was inefficient,
leading to longer than necessary compile times, and asked for
the source to improve it.  Somebody at IBM refused, quipping "IBM
does not supply source code".  So the customer went ahead, reverse
engieered the compiler and added the improvements anyway (which
were huge).  When IBM noticed that, they asked for the improvement,
and the customer uipped back "$COMPANY does not supply object code",
and refused.

I'd have to search for the anecdote in the book to get the details
exactly right.

-- 
This USENET posting was made without artificial intelligence,
artificial impertinence, artificial arrogance, artificial stupidity,
artificial flavorings or artificial colorants.

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#116911 — Re: Free software

FromStefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Date2026-06-08 18:03 -0400
SubjectRe: Free software
Message-ID<jwvjys8g0md.fsf-monnier+comp.arch@gnu.org>
In reply to#116900
Anton Ertl [2026-06-08 16:18:37] wrote:
> Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> writes:
>> I hardly think that using the word free to mean "you don't have to pay 
>> for it" is Newspeak.
> Orwell did not think about that meaning when he gave an example of
> Newspeak use of "free", so if the meaning "gratis" for "free" existed
> when he wrote the book in 1949, it was not widely-enough used to make
> it into the book.  In any case, the meaning "free from lice" existed
> when Orwell wrote the book and still exists in Newspeak.  Newspeak
> does not introduce new meanings, but the elimines the "freedom"
> meaning.  And in your case, Newspeak obviously has been successful
> (not the Ingsoc variant ("free from lice"), but the surveillance
> capitalism variant ("you don't pay [money] for it")).

Well, Stephen is hardly using a recent meaning of the word "free".
According to the OED, "free" as in "free of charge" traces back to the
13th century, so it clearly existed in Orwell's time.

But yes, I find it demoralizing that people within the computer world
are still making this mistake, after more than 40 years of FSF.


=== Stefan

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#116913 — Re: Free software

FromDavid Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Date2026-06-09 10:06 +0200
SubjectRe: Free software
Message-ID<1108hio$3q81u$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#116911
On 09/06/2026 00:03, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> Anton Ertl [2026-06-08 16:18:37] wrote:
>> Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> writes:
>>> I hardly think that using the word free to mean "you don't have to pay
>>> for it" is Newspeak.
>> Orwell did not think about that meaning when he gave an example of
>> Newspeak use of "free", so if the meaning "gratis" for "free" existed
>> when he wrote the book in 1949, it was not widely-enough used to make
>> it into the book.  In any case, the meaning "free from lice" existed
>> when Orwell wrote the book and still exists in Newspeak.  Newspeak
>> does not introduce new meanings, but the elimines the "freedom"
>> meaning.  And in your case, Newspeak obviously has been successful
>> (not the Ingsoc variant ("free from lice"), but the surveillance
>> capitalism variant ("you don't pay [money] for it")).
> 
> Well, Stephen is hardly using a recent meaning of the word "free".
> According to the OED, "free" as in "free of charge" traces back to the
> 13th century, so it clearly existed in Orwell's time.
> 
> But yes, I find it demoralizing that people within the computer world
> are still making this mistake, after more than 40 years of FSF.
> 

It is not a mistake - it is merely a different but perfectly reasonable 
use of the same word.  The FSF has done (and continues to do) wonderful 
things that are of huge benefit to the computing world, and I am a big 
fan of what they term "Free Software".  But they do not own the word 
"free", nor do they have rights to determine the definition of the 
phrase "free software".  People can, and do, use the phrase meaning 
"gratis software".  In any discussion on the topic, it is good to be 
entirely clear on the intended meanings - but that applies equally to 
those who write "free software" meaning "libre software" and "free 
software" meaning "gratis software".  Neither are "mistaken", and both 
can cause confusion.  (In longer phrases, acronyms, or proper names of 
organisations, there should be no confusion - FOSS or FSF should be 
clear to all.)

(As for the discussion about what is the most "free", or "libre", 
licensing model - you can argue about it until you are blue in the face, 
but no conclusion can be reached because it depends on the point of 
view.  Freedoms are always a balance and a tradeoff to some extent.)

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#116950 — Re: Free software

FromStefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Date2026-06-11 15:21 -0400
SubjectRe: Free software
Message-ID<jwvldcklwl1.fsf-monnier+comp.arch@gnu.org>
In reply to#116913
David Brown [2026-06-09 10:06:48] wrote:
> On 09/06/2026 00:03, Stefan Monnier wrote:
>> Well, Stephen is hardly using a recent meaning of the word "free".
>> According to the OED, "free" as in "free of charge" traces back to the
>> 13th century, so it clearly existed in Orwell's time.
>> But yes, I find it demoralizing that people within the computer world
>> are still making this mistake, after more than 40 years of FSF.
> It is not a mistake - it is merely a different but perfectly reasonable use
> of the same word.

In an arbitrary context, I could agree, but here we're talking about
a subthread that started with:

    On Wed, 27 May 2026 10:59:31 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:
    > MitchAlsup [2026-05-26 20:54:30] wrote:
    >> Encrypt the debug information (and put it in a
    >> {1234-5678-9101-1121-...}  folder) so that only the owner (not
    >> licensee) of the code can debug it.
    > I resent that.  All code should be Free Software.

I think there is no ambiguity here.

Treating this "Free Software" to refer to price rather than to freedom
is an error that can be explained only by a lack of familiarity with the
idea of software freedom.


=== Stefan

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#116952 — Re: Free software

FromDavid Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Date2026-06-12 13:02 +0200
SubjectRe: Free software
Message-ID<110gp0h$24ih1$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#116950
On 11/06/2026 21:21, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> David Brown [2026-06-09 10:06:48] wrote:
>> On 09/06/2026 00:03, Stefan Monnier wrote:
>>> Well, Stephen is hardly using a recent meaning of the word "free".
>>> According to the OED, "free" as in "free of charge" traces back to the
>>> 13th century, so it clearly existed in Orwell's time.
>>> But yes, I find it demoralizing that people within the computer world
>>> are still making this mistake, after more than 40 years of FSF.
>> It is not a mistake - it is merely a different but perfectly reasonable use
>> of the same word.
> 
> In an arbitrary context, I could agree, but here we're talking about
> a subthread that started with:
> 
>      On Wed, 27 May 2026 10:59:31 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:
>      > MitchAlsup [2026-05-26 20:54:30] wrote:
>      >> Encrypt the debug information (and put it in a
>      >> {1234-5678-9101-1121-...}  folder) so that only the owner (not
>      >> licensee) of the code can debug it.
>      > I resent that.  All code should be Free Software.
> 
> I think there is no ambiguity here.
> 
> Treating this "Free Software" to refer to price rather than to freedom
> is an error that can be explained only by a lack of familiarity with the
> idea of software freedom.
> 

Fair enough - I agree that in that context, the term "Free Software" is 
unambiguous.  The capitalisation is important, and that was lost by the 
post to which I replied.  (There are a /lot/ of posts in this thread, 
and when switching between two computers I have undoubtedly skipped many 
of them.)

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#116903 — Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived

FromStefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Date2026-06-08 09:18 -0400
SubjectRe: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived
Message-ID<jwvtsrdnphr.fsf-monnier+comp.arch@gnu.org>
In reply to#116893
>> Indeed, the source code should also be available, of course.
>> I started this thread by mentioning Free Software.  🙂
> Note that free does not equal open source.  There is a fair amount of
> software that is freely available for which the source is not.  Many of
> these are reduced functionality versions of paid for software, e.g. Adobe
> PDF reader, but there are others.

You may want to check on Wikipedia what is [Free
Software](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software) before jumping
to conclusions.

I capitalized "Free Software" for a reason.


=== Stefan

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#116838 — Re: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived

FromMitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid>
Date2026-06-03 21:24 +0000
SubjectRe: condition bits, Concertina IV Has Arrived
Message-ID<1780521849-5857@newsgrouper.org>
In reply to#116832
Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> posted:

> > Yes, you the vendor do not want random customer debugging the code,
> 
> I also want a pony, but that doesn't make it right.
> 
> The customer will usually not want to debug your code, but sometimes
> they will have to (e.g. because you the vendor don't exist any more or
> don't find that product of commercial value any more, ...).
> 
> The customer deserves to be able to debug the code it's paid for.

Does MS    allow you to debug W11 or Office ...
Does Corel allow you to debug Draw ...
Does Adobe allow you to debug PDF reader ...

Which is why, sooner or later, open source should win.
 
> 
> === Stefan

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