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Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem!

Started byQuadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca>
First post2011-08-23 10:48 -0700
Last post2011-08-29 09:18 -0700
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  Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-08-23 10:48 -0700
    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-08-23 16:24 -0700
      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Terje Mathisen <"terje.mathisen at tmsw.no"> - 2011-08-24 07:20 +0200
        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-08-23 23:22 -0700
    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-08-24 14:38 -0700
      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-08-25 17:42 -0700
        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-08-27 09:45 -0700
          Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-08-27 18:03 -0700
    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Brett Davis <ggtgp@yahoo.com> - 2011-08-26 20:31 -0500
      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-08-26 20:08 -0700
      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-08-27 02:35 -0700
        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Brett Davis <ggtgp@yahoo.com> - 2011-08-27 15:27 -0500
          Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-08-27 13:41 -0700
            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Brett Davis <ggtgp@yahoo.com> - 2011-08-27 17:34 -0500
              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-08-27 17:40 -0700
              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-08-27 17:50 -0700
              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-08-28 23:49 -0700
            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-08-27 22:40 -0700
      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Andy \"Krazy\" Glew" <andy@SPAM.comp-arch.net> - 2011-08-28 19:33 -0700
        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Terje Mathisen <"terje.mathisen at tmsw.no"> - 2011-08-29 13:56 +0200
          Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Andy \"Krazy\" Glew" <andy@SPAM.comp-arch.net> - 2011-08-29 09:07 -0700
            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-08-29 17:56 +0100
              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Andy \"Krazy\" Glew" <andy@SPAM.comp-arch.net> - 2011-08-29 11:56 -0700
                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2011-08-29 16:12 -0400
                  Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-08-29 20:46 +0100
                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Kalle Olavi Niemitalo <kon@iki.fi> - 2011-08-30 07:48 +0300
                      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-08-30 08:22 +0100
                      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-08-31 11:34 -0700
                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Andy \"Krazy\" Glew" <andy@SPAM.comp-arch.net> - 2011-08-29 22:22 -0700
                  Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Andrew Reilly <areilly---@bigpond.net.au> - 2011-08-30 11:17 +0000
                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-08-30 12:35 +0100
                      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-08-30 07:02 -0700
                        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-08-30 15:18 +0100
                          Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-08-30 15:12 -0700
                            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-08-31 08:30 +0100
                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-09-01 09:54 -0700
                                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-09-01 10:09 -0700
                                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-01 18:01 +0100
                                  Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-09-01 12:25 -0700
                                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! sidd <sidd@situ.com> - 2011-09-01 20:02 -0400
                                  Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Elliott Roper <nospam@yrl.co.uk> - 2011-09-02 10:27 +0100
                                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-02 11:33 +0100
                                      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-09-02 08:09 -0700
                                        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-09-02 08:12 -0700
                                        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-02 15:50 +0100
                                          Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-09-02 08:49 -0700
                                            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-02 17:00 +0100
                                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-09-02 15:55 -0700
                                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-09-03 18:06 -0700
                                      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-09-02 07:58 -0700
                                        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-02 15:56 +0100
                                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-09-02 07:42 -0700
                                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Andreas Eder <andreas_eder@gmx.net> - 2011-09-02 17:51 +0200
                            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! sidd <sidd@situ.com> - 2011-08-31 12:11 -0400
                          Complex Number Representation nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-02 21:22 +0100
                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Andy \"Krazy\" Glew" <andy@SPAM.comp-arch.net> - 2011-08-30 07:08 -0700
                      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Terje Mathisen <"terje.mathisen at tmsw.no"> - 2011-08-31 10:39 +0200
                        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Andy \"Krazy\" Glew" <andy@SPAM.comp-arch.net> - 2011-08-31 08:00 -0700
                          Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Terje Mathisen <"terje.mathisen at tmsw.no"> - 2011-08-31 18:38 +0200
                            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2011-08-31 13:18 -0400
                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Andy \"Krazy\" Glew" <andy@SPAM.comp-arch.net> - 2011-08-31 19:09 -0700
              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Brett Davis <ggtgp@yahoo.com> - 2011-08-30 00:19 -0500
                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Brett Davis <ggtgp@yahoo.com> - 2011-08-31 23:46 -0500
                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-08-31 09:56 -0700
                  Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Terje Mathisen <"terje.mathisen at tmsw.no"> - 2011-09-01 08:23 +0200
                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-08-31 14:02 -0700
                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-09-01 04:02 -0700
                      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Terje Mathisen <"terje.mathisen at tmsw.no"> - 2011-09-01 19:42 +0200
                      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-08-31 23:20 -0700
                      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "James Van Buskirk" <not_valid@comcast.net> - 2011-09-12 15:53 -0600
                        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-12 22:31 +0100
                          Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-12 22:56 +0100
                            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2011-09-12 21:00 -0400
                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-13 10:10 +0100
                        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Terje Mathisen <"terje.mathisen at tmsw.no"> - 2011-09-13 04:58 +0200
                  Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2011-09-01 07:25 -0400
                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Tim Shoppa <shoppa@trailing-edge.com> - 2011-09-01 10:37 -0700
                      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-01 18:25 +0100
                        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Bill Findlay <yaldnif.w@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2011-09-01 19:56 +0100
                        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-09-01 12:30 -0700
                          Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-09-01 12:38 -0700
                          Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2011-09-01 17:13 -0400
                            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Patrick Scheible <kkt@zipcon.net> - 2011-09-01 14:48 -0700
                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-01 22:49 +0100
                            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2011-09-01 18:08 -0500
                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2011-09-02 00:26 -0800
                                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Andy \"Krazy\" Glew" <andy@SPAM.comp-arch.net> - 2011-09-02 05:06 -0700
                                  Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2011-09-02 10:46 -0500
                                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Stephen Fuld <SFuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2011-09-02 12:08 -0700
                                      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Patrick Scheible <kkt@zipcon.net> - 2011-09-02 13:54 -0700
                                        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2011-09-03 14:57 +0000
                                          Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-03 15:33 +0100
                                            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-09-03 13:42 -0700
                                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2011-09-04 08:46 +1000
                                                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2011-09-04 08:05 +0100
                                                  Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2011-09-04 17:44 +1000
                                                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2011-09-04 08:56 +0100
                                                      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2011-09-04 18:52 +1000
                                                      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-09-04 08:55 -0700
                                                        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-04 16:46 +0100
                                            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2011-09-04 13:21 +0000
                                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-04 14:03 +0100
                                                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2011-09-04 14:15 -0400
                                                  Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-04 18:52 +0100
                                                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2011-09-04 15:00 -0400
                                                      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-04 21:02 +0100
                                                        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2011-09-04 19:22 -0400
                                                          Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-05 07:09 +0100
                                                  Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2011-09-05 04:48 +1000
                                                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2011-09-04 20:18 -0400
                                          Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2011-09-04 03:53 +1000
                                            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2011-09-04 13:21 +0000
                                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2011-09-05 03:57 +1000
                                            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-09-04 08:47 -0700
                                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2011-09-05 04:03 +1000
                                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2011-09-04 14:30 -0400
                                                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2011-09-05 04:49 +1000
                                                  Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-09-04 15:53 -0700
                                                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2011-09-05 09:55 +1000
                                                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Piotr Wyderski <peter.pan@neverland.mil> - 2011-10-19 19:17 +0200
                                                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2011-09-04 19:54 +0100
                                                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-04 20:56 +0100
                                                  Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2011-09-04 19:16 -0400
                                                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-09-04 16:26 -0700
                                                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Morten Reistad <first@last.name> - 2011-09-05 13:45 +0200
                                                      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Bakul Shah <usenet@bitblocks.com> - 2011-09-05 12:09 -0700
                                                        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-05 20:51 +0100
                                                          Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Morten Reistad <first@last.name> - 2011-09-06 10:57 +0200
                                                            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2011-09-06 19:43 +1000
                                                        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Morten Reistad <first@last.name> - 2011-09-06 10:55 +0200
                                                        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2011-09-06 11:36 +0100
                                                      OT English Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! wclodius@lost-alamos.pet (William Clodius) - 2011-09-05 13:33 -0600
                                                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Patrick Scheible <kkt@zipcon.net> - 2011-09-05 23:12 -0700
                                                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2011-09-07 09:44 -0800
                                          Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2011-09-03 13:41 -0500
                                            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2011-09-03 21:36 +0000
                                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2011-09-03 20:18 -0500
                                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2011-09-04 08:31 -0400
                                                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-04 13:11 +0100
                                                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2011-09-05 17:14 +0000
                                            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2011-09-07 09:07 +0000
                                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2011-09-07 12:15 +0100
                                                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2011-09-07 08:37 -0400
                                                  Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2011-09-07 13:50 +0100
                                                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2011-09-07 09:21 -0400
                                                      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Bernd Felsche <berfel@innovative.iinet.net.au> - 2011-09-08 08:42 +0800
                                                        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2011-09-08 14:10 +0000
                                                        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-09-08 19:09 -0700
                                          Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Patrick Scheible <kkt@zipcon.net> - 2011-09-05 22:50 -0700
                                            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2011-09-06 13:45 +0000
                                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Patrick Scheible <kkt@zipcon.net> - 2011-09-06 09:08 -0700
                                                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2011-09-07 14:13 +0000
                                                  Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Patrick Scheible <kkt@zipcon.net> - 2011-09-07 09:42 -0700
                                                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Bernd Felsche <berfel@innovative.iinet.net.au> - 2011-09-08 09:05 +0800
                                                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2011-09-08 14:10 +0000
                                                  Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2011-09-08 04:49 +1000
                                                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2011-09-08 14:09 +0000
                                                      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2011-09-09 03:17 +1000
                                                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2011-09-10 23:07 -0700
                                                  Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2011-09-11 09:06 +0100
                                                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-11 10:07 +0100
                                                      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-09-11 06:48 -0700
                                                  Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2011-09-11 08:26 -0400
                                                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-11 13:00 +0100
                                                  Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Patrick Scheible <kkt@zipcon.net> - 2011-09-11 07:36 -0700
                                          Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Piotr Wyderski <peter.pan@neverland.mil> - 2011-10-19 19:15 +0200
                                            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Patrick Scheible <kkt@zipcon.net> - 2011-10-19 14:45 -0700
                                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2011-10-19 17:13 -0800
                                            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2011-10-20 13:38 +0000
                                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2011-10-27 09:01 +0000
                                      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2011-09-02 20:41 -0400
                                        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2011-09-03 06:58 +0100
                                        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-03 07:19 +0100
                                      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Bakul Shah <usenet@bitblocks.com> - 2011-09-02 21:54 -0700
                                        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Stephen Fuld <SFuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2011-09-03 09:05 -0700
                                          Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-03 16:42 +0100
                                            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2011-09-03 21:00 +0000
                                          Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Bakul Shah <usenet@bitblocks.com> - 2011-09-03 11:01 -0700
                                            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-03 19:18 +0100
                                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Bakul Shah <usenet@bitblocks.com> - 2011-09-03 13:05 -0700
                                                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-04 08:09 +0100
                                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2011-09-03 21:34 +0000
                                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Jean-Marc Bourguet <jm@bourguet.org> - 2011-09-04 22:15 +0200
                                                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-09-04 21:07 +0100
                                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2011-09-02 20:21 -0400
                                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Tim Shoppa <shoppa@trailing-edge.com> - 2011-09-06 09:32 -0700
                                      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2011-09-07 09:09 +0000
                                        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-09-07 07:17 -0700
                                          Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2011-09-07 16:00 +0100
                                            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Bill Findlay <yaldnif.w@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2011-09-07 16:40 +0100
                                            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-09-07 09:57 -0700
                                          Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Patrick Scheible <kkt@zipcon.net> - 2011-09-07 09:39 -0700
                                          Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Morten Reistad <first@last.name> - 2011-09-07 20:47 +0200
                                            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2011-09-08 14:09 +0000
                                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Stephen Fuld <SFuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2011-09-08 09:13 -0700
                                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Morten Reistad <first@last.name> - 2011-09-08 18:59 +0200
                                                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2011-09-09 15:21 +0000
                                            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-09-09 12:48 -0700
                                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2011-09-10 06:27 +1000
                                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Morten Reistad <first@last.name> - 2011-09-09 23:04 +0200
                                          Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Bernd Felsche <berfel@innovative.iinet.net.au> - 2011-09-08 08:57 +0800
                                            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2011-09-08 14:10 +0000
                                            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2011-09-08 07:50 -0800
                                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2011-09-08 12:07 -0400
                                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2011-09-08 12:10 -0400
                                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2011-09-08 17:38 +0100
                                                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Seebs <usenet-nospam@seebs.net> - 2011-09-09 03:43 +0000
                                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2011-09-08 12:21 -0500
                        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2011-09-01 17:09 -0400
                          Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2011-09-02 08:59 +1000
                            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2011-09-07 09:07 +0000
                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2011-09-07 20:03 +1000
                                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2011-09-08 16:55 +0000
                                  Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2011-09-09 03:52 +1000
                                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2011-10-01 15:57 +0000
                                      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2011-10-02 05:51 +1100
                                        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2011-10-07 11:31 +0000
                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Morten Reistad <first@last.name> - 2011-09-07 14:08 +0200
                                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2011-09-07 14:18 +0100
                                  Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2011-09-07 14:05 +0000
                                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Morten Reistad <first@last.name> - 2011-09-07 20:54 +0200
                                      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2011-09-08 05:27 +1000
                                      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! timcaffrey@aol.com (Tim McCaffrey) - 2011-09-16 18:48 +0000
                                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! sidd <sidd@situ.com> - 2011-09-07 18:53 -0400
                                  Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2011-09-08 04:37 +1000
                                  Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Terje Mathisen <"terje.mathisen at tmsw.no"> - 2011-09-08 10:19 +0200
                                  Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! kenney@cix.compulink.co.uk - 2011-09-08 05:14 -0500
                                  Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2011-09-11 12:58 -0700
                                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2011-09-12 10:01 +0100
                                      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2011-09-12 19:35 +1000
                                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Patrick Scheible <kkt@zipcon.net> - 2011-09-12 09:25 -0700
                                      Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2011-09-12 13:27 -0400
                                        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Ben Pfaff <blp@cs.stanford.edu> - 2011-09-12 10:41 -0700
                                        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Patrick Scheible <kkt@zipcon.net> - 2011-09-12 11:34 -0700
                                          Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2011-09-13 05:40 +1000
                                          Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2011-09-12 15:53 -0400
                                          Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-09-12 13:08 -0700
                                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2011-09-08 04:14 +1000
                                  Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-09-07 11:31 -0700
                                    Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2011-09-08 05:35 +1000
                                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Bernd Felsche <berfel@innovative.iinet.net.au> - 2011-09-08 08:40 +0800
                              Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Terje Mathisen <"terje.mathisen at tmsw.no"> - 2011-09-07 20:25 +0200
                                Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2011-09-08 16:58 +0000
                                  Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2011-09-08 12:31 -0500
            Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Terje Mathisen <"terje.mathisen at tmsw.no"> - 2011-08-30 13:46 +0200
        Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2011-08-29 09:18 -0700

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#3453

FromAhem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net>
Date2011-09-04 19:54 +0100
Message-ID<20110904195417.0503010e.steveo@eircom.net>
In reply to#3449
On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 14:30:24 -0400
Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> wrote:


> By gosh, you're right.  I had to check this and the population of Europe 
> minus UK and Ireland is given at about 766 million.  The US, Ca, AU, NZ 
> and the UK and Ire are about 433 million if I've got all the numbers
> right.

	However the situation is complicated by not all of Canada speaking
English (the French bit) and not all of Ireland speaking English (the
Gaeltacht), some of South Africa, The Philippines, Jamaica (and quite few
other countries but the numbers start to get small) speaking English
as a first language. The complications don't make enough difference to
matter though.

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#3455

Fromnmm1@cam.ac.uk
Date2011-09-04 20:56 +0100
Message-ID<j40l68$afv$1@gosset.csi.cam.ac.uk>
In reply to#3449
In article <j40g3s$dhg$1@dont-email.me>,
Peter Flass  <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> wrote:
>On 9/4/2011 11:47 AM, Quadibloc wrote:
>> On Sep 3, 11:53 am, "Rod Speed"<rod.speed....@gmail.com>  wrote:
>>
>>> The non european form, mainly because the europeans are in the minority world wide.
>>
>> Huh? English speakers are in a smaller minority than Europeans.
>
>By gosh, you're right.  I had to check this and the population of Europe 
>minus UK and Ireland is given at about 766 million.  The US, Ca, AU, NZ 
>and the UK and Ire are about 433 million if I've got all the numbers right.

There are a lot of other places where English is used as a first
language by a small number of people, and as their primary 'work'
language by a much larger number.  India, for example.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

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#3459

FromPeter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com>
Date2011-09-04 19:16 -0400
Message-ID<j410tb$o0$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#3455
On 9/4/2011 3:56 PM, nmm1@cam.ac.uk wrote:
> In article<j40g3s$dhg$1@dont-email.me>,
> Peter Flass<Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com>  wrote:
>> On 9/4/2011 11:47 AM, Quadibloc wrote:
>>> On Sep 3, 11:53 am, "Rod Speed"<rod.speed....@gmail.com>   wrote:
>>>
>>>> The non european form, mainly because the europeans are in the minority world wide.
>>>
>>> Huh? English speakers are in a smaller minority than Europeans.
>>
>> By gosh, you're right.  I had to check this and the population of Europe
>> minus UK and Ireland is given at about 766 million.  The US, Ca, AU, NZ
>> and the UK and Ire are about 433 million if I've got all the numbers right.
>
> There are a lot of other places where English is used as a first
> language by a small number of people, and as their primary 'work'
> language by a much larger number.  India, for example.
>

And of course "European" isn't one of your language choices.  I don't 
think English is the world's most widely-used language.  Certainly it 
comes after Mandarin, and maybe Hindi.  However, at the risk of being 
chauvinistic, English is spoken, or at least understood, by more of the 
people who matter in the world than any other language.

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#3461

FromQuadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca>
Date2011-09-04 16:26 -0700
Message-ID<c7f13497-ce0a-42c6-86a0-fd9c28e736a6@o26g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>
In reply to#3459
On Sep 4, 5:16 pm, Peter Flass <Peter_Fl...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
> However, at the risk of being
> chauvinistic, English is spoken, or at least understood, by more of the
> people who matter in the world than any other language.

True enough, but native speakers of English are in the minority of the
"people who matter", if one means voting citizens of democratic
industrialized nations. In fact, if we exclude China and India in this
fashion, we get a majority of comma users instead of point users.

Does it make a difference that the comma users are divided between
speakers of Russian, German, French, Italian, Finnish, Greek,
Hungarian, Polish, Dutch, Swedish... and so on?

Of course, the decimal point is still used in Japan, Taiwan, and South
Korea... maybe this is enough to tip the balance.

John Savard

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#3470

FromMorten Reistad <first@last.name>
Date2011-09-05 13:45 +0200
Message-ID<4e64d26f$1@news.broadpark.no>
In reply to#3459
In article <j410tb$o0$1@dont-email.me>,
Peter Flass  <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> wrote:
>On 9/4/2011 3:56 PM, nmm1@cam.ac.uk wrote:
>> In article<j40g3s$dhg$1@dont-email.me>,
>> Peter Flass<Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com>  wrote:
>>> On 9/4/2011 11:47 AM, Quadibloc wrote:
>>>> On Sep 3, 11:53 am, "Rod Speed"<rod.speed....@gmail.com>   wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The non european form, mainly because the europeans are in the minority world wide.
>>>>
>>>> Huh? English speakers are in a smaller minority than Europeans.
>>>
>>> By gosh, you're right.  I had to check this and the population of Europe
>>> minus UK and Ireland is given at about 766 million.  The US, Ca, AU, NZ
>>> and the UK and Ire are about 433 million if I've got all the numbers right.
>>
>> There are a lot of other places where English is used as a first
>> language by a small number of people, and as their primary 'work'
>> language by a much larger number.  India, for example.

There are more English-speakers in India than in any other country in the
world. India is one of the nations where English is used locally to 
communicate between a plethora of langauges.

Other, large such nations are the Phillipines, Papua new Guinea, 
Nigeria, South Africa, Kenya, Uganda, Tanzania, the Sudans. We may
even include the EU as such a place. 

http://www.andaman.org/BOOK/reprints/weber/rep-weber.htm

English usage is exploding in the third world; and has become
by far the most important language for international communications.

>And of course "European" isn't one of your language choices.  I don't 
>think English is the world's most widely-used language.  Certainly it 
>comes after Mandarin, and maybe Hindi.  However, at the risk of being 
>chauvinistic, English is spoken, or at least understood, by more of the 
>people who matter in the world than any other language.

Users now outnumber the native speakers more than 5:1.

-- mrr

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#3474

FromBakul Shah <usenet@bitblocks.com>
Date2011-09-05 12:09 -0700
Message-ID<4E651E4E.5000405@bitblocks.com>
In reply to#3470
On 9/5/11 4:45 AM, Morten Reistad wrote:
>
> There are more English-speakers in India than in any other country in the
> world. India is one of the nations where English is used locally to
> communicate between a plethora of langauges.

There are perhaps more English *users* in India than any other
country but not *speakers*. Many can read English but can't
converse in it beyond a few basic words.  English is used more
and more by the "educated" classes but I wouldn't say English
is used by the common man all that much.  In the northern half
of India you can get by with Hindi much better than with
English.  Northerners & Southerners may need English to
communicate -- but when I tried it on the streets of Mysore
there was mutual incomprehension! The younger generation seems
to effortlessly switch between hindi & english even midsentence
so perhaps "hinglish" is the new prakrit!

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#3477

Fromnmm1@cam.ac.uk
Date2011-09-05 20:51 +0100
Message-ID<j4398q$hcs$1@gosset.csi.cam.ac.uk>
In reply to#3474
In article <4E651E4E.5000405@bitblocks.com>,
Bakul Shah  <usenet@bitblocks.com> wrote:
>On 9/5/11 4:45 AM, Morten Reistad wrote:
>>
>> There are more English-speakers in India than in any other country in the
>> world. India is one of the nations where English is used locally to
>> communicate between a plethora of langauges.
>
>There are perhaps more English *users* in India than any other
>country but not *speakers*. Many can read English but can't
>converse in it beyond a few basic words.  English is used more
>and more by the "educated" classes but I wouldn't say English
>is used by the common man all that much.  In the northern half
>of India you can get by with Hindi much better than with
>English.  Northerners & Southerners may need English to
>communicate -- but when I tried it on the streets of Mysore
>there was mutual incomprehension! The younger generation seems
>to effortlessly switch between hindi & english even midsentence
>so perhaps "hinglish" is the new prakrit!

I recommend a trip to Glasgow or even Newcastle to disabuse
you of the idea that difficulty is anything to do with being
a non-native speaker of English :-)


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

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#3495

FromMorten Reistad <first@last.name>
Date2011-09-06 10:57 +0200
Message-ID<4e65e3ac@news.broadpark.no>
In reply to#3477
In article <j4398q$hcs$1@gosset.csi.cam.ac.uk>,  <nmm1@cam.ac.uk> wrote:
>In article <4E651E4E.5000405@bitblocks.com>,
>Bakul Shah  <usenet@bitblocks.com> wrote:
>>On 9/5/11 4:45 AM, Morten Reistad wrote:
>>>
>>> There are more English-speakers in India than in any other country in the
>>> world. India is one of the nations where English is used locally to
>>> communicate between a plethora of langauges.
>>
>>There are perhaps more English *users* in India than any other
>>country but not *speakers*. Many can read English but can't
>>converse in it beyond a few basic words.  English is used more
>>and more by the "educated" classes but I wouldn't say English
>>is used by the common man all that much.  In the northern half
>>of India you can get by with Hindi much better than with
>>English.  Northerners & Southerners may need English to
>>communicate -- but when I tried it on the streets of Mysore
>>there was mutual incomprehension! The younger generation seems
>>to effortlessly switch between hindi & english even midsentence
>>so perhaps "hinglish" is the new prakrit!
>
>I recommend a trip to Glasgow or even Newcastle to disabuse
>you of the idea that difficulty is anything to do with being
>a non-native speaker of English :-)

Scottish has pretentions of being a separate language. They only
lack an army and a navy; but they are fixing that.

-- mrr

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#3496

From"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
Date2011-09-06 19:43 +1000
Message-ID<9cm8aoFvfeU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#3495
Morten Reistad wrote
> <nmm1@cam.ac.uk> wrote:
>> Bakul Shah <usenet@bitblocks.com> wrote
>>> Morten Reistad wrote

>>>> There are more English-speakers in India than in any other country
>>>> in the world. India is one of the nations where English is used
>>>> locally to communicate between a plethora of langauges.

>>> There are perhaps more English *users* in India than any other
>>> country but not *speakers*. Many can read English but can't
>>> converse in it beyond a few basic words.  English is used more
>>> and more by the "educated" classes but I wouldn't say English
>>> is used by the common man all that much.  In the northern half
>>> of India you can get by with Hindi much better than with
>>> English.  Northerners & Southerners may need English to
>>> communicate -- but when I tried it on the streets of Mysore
>>> there was mutual incomprehension! The younger generation seems
>>> to effortlessly switch between hindi & english even midsentence
>>> so perhaps "hinglish" is the new prakrit!

>> I recommend a trip to Glasgow or even Newcastle to disabuse
>> you of the idea that difficulty is anything to do with being
>> a non-native speaker of English :-)

> Scottish has pretentions of being a separate language.

Only with the wankers.

> They only lack an army

Nope, they have had that for centurys now.

> and a navy; but they are fixing that.

Nope, the plug has been pulled on that. 

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#3494

FromMorten Reistad <first@last.name>
Date2011-09-06 10:55 +0200
Message-ID<4e65e3ab$1@news.broadpark.no>
In reply to#3474
In article <4E651E4E.5000405@bitblocks.com>,
Bakul Shah  <usenet@bitblocks.com> wrote:
>On 9/5/11 4:45 AM, Morten Reistad wrote:
>>
>> There are more English-speakers in India than in any other country in the
>> world. India is one of the nations where English is used locally to
>> communicate between a plethora of langauges.
>
>There are perhaps more English *users* in India than any other
>country but not *speakers*. Many can read English but can't
>converse in it beyond a few basic words.  English is used more
>and more by the "educated" classes but I wouldn't say English
>is used by the common man all that much.  In the northern half
>of India you can get by with Hindi much better than with
>English.  Northerners & Southerners may need English to
>communicate -- but when I tried it on the streets of Mysore
>there was mutual incomprehension! The younger generation seems
>to effortlessly switch between hindi & english even midsentence
>so perhaps "hinglish" is the new prakrit!

Well, India "only" needs 25.5% English speakers to surpass the
US. India _is_ nearly 4 times as big as the US.

This also illustrates the problems of defining "English speaker".

-- mrr

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#3497

FromTom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk>
Date2011-09-06 11:36 +0100
Message-ID<1Jm9q.150$ox5.110@newsfe12.ams2>
In reply to#3474
Bakul Shah wrote:
> On 9/5/11 4:45 AM, Morten Reistad wrote:
>>
>> There are more English-speakers in India than in any other country in the
>> world. India is one of the nations where English is used locally to
>> communicate between a plethora of langauges.
>
> There are perhaps more English *users* in India than any other
> country but not *speakers*. Many can read English but can't
> converse in it beyond a few basic words. English is used more
> and more by the "educated" classes but I wouldn't say English
> is used by the common man all that much. In the northern half
> of India you can get by with Hindi much better than with
> English. Northerners & Southerners may need English to
> communicate -- but when I tried it on the streets of Mysore
> there was mutual incomprehension! The younger generation seems
> to effortlessly switch between hindi & english even midsentence
> so perhaps "hinglish" is the new prakrit!

Back in 1981 I was backpacking around south India.
In Kerala there was a conference about how to prevent
Hindi being adopted as the "second language", because
it would have given northerners an "unfair" advantage.

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#3475 — OT English Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem!

Fromwclodius@lost-alamos.pet (William Clodius)
Date2011-09-05 13:33 -0600
SubjectOT English Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem!
Message-ID<1k74iko.1vt2w4q9baf28N%wclodius@lost-alamos.pet>
In reply to#3470
Morten Reistad <first@last.name> wrote:

> <snip.\p>
> There are more English-speakers in India than in any other country in the
> world. India is one of the nations where English is used locally to 
> communicate between a plethora of langauges.
> 
> Other, large such nations are the Phillipines, Papua new Guinea, 
> Nigeria, South Africa, Kenya, Uganda, Tanzania, the Sudans. We may
> even include the EU as such a place. 
> 
> http://www.andaman.org/BOOK/reprints/weber/rep-weber.htm
> 
> English usage is exploding in the third world; and has become
> by far the most important language for international communications.
> <snip>

FWIW The New Yorker recently had an article on the rapid growth  of
movie production in Lagos, Nigeria (Nollywood), which they claimed was
now the third most important center after Bollywood and Hollywood.
Although distribution outside of Africa is minor, almost all productions
were primarilly in English to maximize the size of the African audiance.


-- 
Bill Clodius
los the lost and net the pet to email

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#3492

FromPatrick Scheible <kkt@zipcon.net>
Date2011-09-05 23:12 -0700
Message-ID<86mxei8ai0.fsf@zipcon.net>
In reply to#3449
Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> writes:

> On 9/4/2011 11:47 AM, Quadibloc wrote:
>> On Sep 3, 11:53 am, "Rod Speed"<rod.speed....@gmail.com>  wrote:
>>
>>> The non european form, mainly because the europeans are in the
>>> minority world wide.
>>
>> Huh? English speakers are in a smaller minority than Europeans.
>>
>> John Savard
>
>
> By gosh, you're right.  I had to check this and the population of
> Europe minus UK and Ireland is given at about 766 million.  The US,
> Ca, AU, NZ and the UK and Ire are about 433 million if I've got all
> the numbers right.

English is also the language of business and government in India.
Approximately 350 million Indians use it at least well enough to read,
if not to speak fluently.

-- Patrick

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#3531

From"Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2011-09-07 09:44 -0800
Message-ID<997.302T1831T5845560@kltpzyxm.invalid>
In reply to#3449
In article <j40g3s$dhg$1@dont-email.me>, Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com
(Peter Flass) writes:

> On 9/4/2011 11:47 AM, Quadibloc wrote:
>
>> On Sep 3, 11:53 am, "Rod Speed"<rod.speed....@gmail.com>  wrote:
>>
>>> The non european form, mainly because the europeans are in the
>>> minority world wide.
>>
>> Huh? English speakers are in a smaller minority than Europeans.
>
> By gosh, you're right.  I had to check this and the population of
> Europe minus UK and Ireland is given at about 766 million.  The US,
> Ca, AU, NZ and the UK and Ire are about 433 million if I've got all
> the numbers right.

The balance swings even further when you take out B1FF and all his
descendents, who nowadays are wearing out their thumbs tweeting from
their smartphones.

-- 
/~\  cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid (Charlie Gibbs)
\ /  I'm really at ac.dekanfrus if you read it the right way.
 X   Top-posted messages will probably be ignored.  See RFC1855.
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#3417

FromRobert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com>
Date2011-09-03 13:41 -0500
Message-ID<3nq467h8eek90oru2p4mtqljsp7hm56o99@4ax.com>
In reply to#3406
On 3 Sep 2011 14:57:15 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:

>Patrick Scheible wrote:
>> Stephen Fuld <SFuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> writes:
>>
>>> On 9/2/2011 8:46 AM, Robert Wessel wrote:
>>>
>>> snip
>>>
>>>> But I've always though that some additional formatting in printf
>>>> formatting strings would be an obvious feature to add to C.
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, of course.  While the full functionality of picture clauses might
>>> be nice, A small subset would go a long way.  The single thing I would
>>> most like to see is to make it easy to print numbers with separators
>>> every three characters.  I get so frustrated when I see things like
>>> the output of a profiling program say a routine was executed
>>>
>>> 34587706689349 times.
>>>
>>> It sure makes it hard to read and there is no excuse for that.  I
>>> realize there are issues with commas versus spaces as separators, but
>>> these could be overcome.
>>
>> Even if they use spaces instead of commas, it's still easier to read
>> than no separators at all.
>
>Not spaces..  Which do you chose?  The American use of comma or
>the European use of period?  In one side of the pond, the period
>implies fractions.  We couldn't decide in the 70s.


C, at least, has answers to a few of those questions already vial the
locale mechanism.  In Cobol, you could specify "DECIMAL POINT IS
COMMA" in the program, and it would swap the decimal point and comma
characters from American to European usage, although you still coded
the comma as the separator character and the period as the decimal
point in the picture strings themselves.

We dealt with some of that internally many years ago, and ended up
with a mini-language for describing the formatting.  I'll summarize a
bit, but basically you had a string consisting of:

- Ordinary insertion operations, which were insertions of characters
that were processed left to right.  These could be Z, 9, periods,
substitutions, and "other" characters.  Zs, 9s, and periods worked
much as in Cobol, Z's and 9s substituted a digit from the input
number, with the first nine forcing the start of significance.  A
period inserted a period an fixed the decimal point.  "Other"
characters (characters that didn't have other meanings) were just
copied in ("9-9" would produce two digits separated by a dash), and
substitution characters "@xxx" would insert something defined
externally (@DP, for example specified the local decimal point).
Characters with other meanings could be escaped as well (for example,
"9\Z9" would produce two digits separated by a zed.

- flags: that specified things to happen.  Notably # to start
significance (sometimes that's more convenient than using the Z--to-9
transition), and V to fix the decimal point location (the period
ordinary insertion also inserted a period, but you could specify
"V@DP", for example to fix the decimal point, and insert a locale
specific decimal point character.

- Signed insertion: of the form "Sabc", where one of the three
character would be inserted based on the sign of the number (positive,
negative or zero).  For example "S+- ".  Each character could be an
ordinary character, a substitution character, or an escape.

- Floating insertion: of the form "Fc" where the character specified
would be floated to the left of the most significant digit.  The
character could be ordinary, substitution a sign (Sabc) or an escape.
Multiple floats were accepted and were floated in the order
encountered in the format string, so you specify a multi-character
float in reverse order.

- Padding: like a float, but inserts the padding character in all the
positions to the left of the start of significance.

There were other embellishments as well, for example, you could ask
the string to be centered or right aligned, the whole output to be
blank or a specific string if the input was zero, and so on.

Not saying it's a great approach, but it works reasonable well in a
lot of cases for us.

A few samples from our doc (the fours input being 123.45, -.05,
-12345.67, and zero):

 "ZZZ,ZZ9.99" 
   "    123.45" 
   "      0.05" 
   " 12,345.67" 
   "      0.00"

"ZZZ,ZZZ.99S+- "
   "    123.45+"
   "        05-"
   " 12,345.67-"
   "        00 "

"ZZZ,ZZZ#.99FS+- "
   "   +123.45"
   "      -.05"
   "-12,345.67"
   "       .00"

"ZZZ,ZZ9.99S ) FS ( "
   "    123.45 "
   "     (0.05)"
   "(12,345.67)"
   "      0.00 "

 " ZZZ,ZZ9.99S ) F$FS ( "
   "    $123.45 "
   "     ($0.05)"
   "($12,345.67)"
   "      $0.00 "

 "ZZZ,ZZZ#.99PS+- "
   "++++123.45"
   "-------.05"
   "-12,345.67"
   "       .00"

 "ZZZ,ZZZ#.99FS+- P*"
   "***+123.45"
   "******-.05"
   "*12,345.67"
   "****** .00"

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#3424

Fromscott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
Date2011-09-03 21:36 +0000
Message-ID<P5x8q.337333$Ln1.190528@news.usenetserver.com>
In reply to#3417
Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> writes:
>On 3 Sep 2011 14:57:15 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>Patrick Scheible wrote:
>>> Stephen Fuld <SFuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> writes:
>>>
>>>> On 9/2/2011 8:46 AM, Robert Wessel wrote:
>>>>
>>>> snip
>>>>
>>>>> But I've always though that some additional formatting in printf
>>>>> formatting strings would be an obvious feature to add to C.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, of course.  While the full functionality of picture clauses might
>>>> be nice, A small subset would go a long way.  The single thing I would
>>>> most like to see is to make it easy to print numbers with separators
>>>> every three characters.  I get so frustrated when I see things like
>>>> the output of a profiling program say a routine was executed
>>>>
>>>> 34587706689349 times.
>>>>
>>>> It sure makes it hard to read and there is no excuse for that.  I
>>>> realize there are issues with commas versus spaces as separators, but
>>>> these could be overcome.
>>>
>>> Even if they use spaces instead of commas, it's still easier to read
>>> than no separators at all.
>>
>>Not spaces..  Which do you chose?  The American use of comma or
>>the European use of period?  In one side of the pond, the period
>>implies fractions.  We couldn't decide in the 70s.
>
>
>C, at least, has answers to a few of those questions already vial the
>locale mechanism.  In Cobol, you could specify "DECIMAL POINT IS
>COMMA" in the program, and it would swap the decimal point and comma
>characters from American to European usage, although you still coded
>the comma as the separator character and the period as the decimal
>point in the picture strings themselves.
>
>We dealt with some of that internally many years ago, and ended up
>with a mini-language for describing the formatting.  I'll summarize a
>bit, but basically you had a string consisting of:

The Burroughs medium systems also had such a mini-language.  The compiler
converted the PICture clause into a set of micro-operators that were
used by the EDT instruction, see:

  <http://vseries.lurndal.org/doku.php?id=instructions:edt>

scott

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#3428

FromRobert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com>
Date2011-09-03 20:18 -0500
Message-ID<u8k567t1aal29fg1lq50aakes1rc1bd1e8@4ax.com>
In reply to#3424
On 03 Sep 2011 21:36:47 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

>Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> writes:
>>On 3 Sep 2011 14:57:15 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Patrick Scheible wrote:
>>>> Stephen Fuld <SFuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> On 9/2/2011 8:46 AM, Robert Wessel wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> snip
>>>>>
>>>>>> But I've always though that some additional formatting in printf
>>>>>> formatting strings would be an obvious feature to add to C.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, of course.  While the full functionality of picture clauses might
>>>>> be nice, A small subset would go a long way.  The single thing I would
>>>>> most like to see is to make it easy to print numbers with separators
>>>>> every three characters.  I get so frustrated when I see things like
>>>>> the output of a profiling program say a routine was executed
>>>>>
>>>>> 34587706689349 times.
>>>>>
>>>>> It sure makes it hard to read and there is no excuse for that.  I
>>>>> realize there are issues with commas versus spaces as separators, but
>>>>> these could be overcome.
>>>>
>>>> Even if they use spaces instead of commas, it's still easier to read
>>>> than no separators at all.
>>>
>>>Not spaces..  Which do you chose?  The American use of comma or
>>>the European use of period?  In one side of the pond, the period
>>>implies fractions.  We couldn't decide in the 70s.
>>
>>
>>C, at least, has answers to a few of those questions already vial the
>>locale mechanism.  In Cobol, you could specify "DECIMAL POINT IS
>>COMMA" in the program, and it would swap the decimal point and comma
>>characters from American to European usage, although you still coded
>>the comma as the separator character and the period as the decimal
>>point in the picture strings themselves.
>>
>>We dealt with some of that internally many years ago, and ended up
>>with a mini-language for describing the formatting.  I'll summarize a
>>bit, but basically you had a string consisting of:
>
>The Burroughs medium systems also had such a mini-language.  The compiler
>converted the PICture clause into a set of micro-operators that were
>used by the EDT instruction, see:
>
>  <http://vseries.lurndal.org/doku.php?id=instructions:edt>


The S/360 ED and EDMK instruction could also implemented a
mini-language that handled substantial parts of the processing of
Cobol PICs.  That was probably a fair bit of the inspiration for what
we did.

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#3437

FromPeter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com>
Date2011-09-04 08:31 -0400
Message-ID<j3vr2v$vek$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#3424
On 9/3/2011 5:36 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Robert Wessel<robertwessel2@yahoo.com>  writes:
>> On 3 Sep 2011 14:57:15 GMT, jmfbahciv<See.above@aol.com>  wrote:
>>
>>> Patrick Scheible wrote:
>>>> Stephen Fuld<SFuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid>  writes:
>>>>
>>>>> On 9/2/2011 8:46 AM, Robert Wessel wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> snip
>>>>>
>>>>>> But I've always though that some additional formatting in printf
>>>>>> formatting strings would be an obvious feature to add to C.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, of course.  While the full functionality of picture clauses might
>>>>> be nice, A small subset would go a long way.  The single thing I would
>>>>> most like to see is to make it easy to print numbers with separators
>>>>> every three characters.  I get so frustrated when I see things like
>>>>> the output of a profiling program say a routine was executed
>>>>>
>>>>> 34587706689349 times.
>>>>>
>>>>> It sure makes it hard to read and there is no excuse for that.  I
>>>>> realize there are issues with commas versus spaces as separators, but
>>>>> these could be overcome.
>>>>
>>>> Even if they use spaces instead of commas, it's still easier to read
>>>> than no separators at all.
>>>
>>> Not spaces..  Which do you chose?  The American use of comma or
>>> the European use of period?  In one side of the pond, the period
>>> implies fractions.  We couldn't decide in the 70s.
>>
>>
>> C, at least, has answers to a few of those questions already vial the
>> locale mechanism.  In Cobol, you could specify "DECIMAL POINT IS
>> COMMA" in the program, and it would swap the decimal point and comma
>> characters from American to European usage, although you still coded
>> the comma as the separator character and the period as the decimal
>> point in the picture strings themselves.
>>
>> We dealt with some of that internally many years ago, and ended up
>> with a mini-language for describing the formatting.  I'll summarize a
>> bit, but basically you had a string consisting of:
>
> The Burroughs medium systems also had such a mini-language.  The compiler
> converted the PICture clause into a set of micro-operators that were
> used by the EDT instruction, see:
>
>    <http://vseries.lurndal.org/doku.php?id=instructions:edt>
>
> scott

That's a lot like what I did for PL/I formats, with the addition of 
looping for repetition of groups of format specifications and linking to 
remote formats.  I wish I'd seen yours, I could have avoided 
re-inventing the wheel.

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#3438

Fromnmm1@cam.ac.uk
Date2011-09-04 13:11 +0100
Message-ID<j3vpsn$nuv$1@gosset.csi.cam.ac.uk>
In reply to#3437
In article <j3vr2v$vek$1@dont-email.me>,
Peter Flass  <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> wrote:
>On 9/3/2011 5:36 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> Robert Wessel<robertwessel2@yahoo.com>  writes:
>>>
>>> We dealt with some of that internally many years ago, and ended up
>>> with a mini-language for describing the formatting.  I'll summarize a
>>> bit, but basically you had a string consisting of:
>>
>> The Burroughs medium systems also had such a mini-language.  The compiler
>> converted the PICture clause into a set of micro-operators that were
>> used by the EDT instruction, see:
>>
>>    <http://vseries.lurndal.org/doku.php?id=instructions:edt>
>
>That's a lot like what I did for PL/I formats, with the addition of 
>looping for repetition of groups of format specifications and linking to 
>remote formats.  I wish I'd seen yours, I could have avoided 
>re-inventing the wheel.

And Algol 68, at a somewhat different level.  It allowed the user
to write such procedures and wasn't a great success.

The problem is that the requirements are so heterogeneous that any
general mechanism is unusably complicated, and any specialised one
is unsuitable for other uses.  POSIX and C locales (and time zone
handling) veer towards the second approach, and the less said about
C's multi-byte character nonsense the better.

Even for the trivial cases of tables of numbers, a glance at a
reasonable range of printed tables (especially older ones) is enough
to make one gibber.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

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#3472

Fromscott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
Date2011-09-05 17:14 +0000
Message-ID<ks79q.3920$mS.3779@news.usenetserver.com>
In reply to#3437
Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> writes:
>On 9/3/2011 5:36 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> Robert Wessel<robertwessel2@yahoo.com>  writes:
>>> On 3 Sep 2011 14:57:15 GMT, jmfbahciv<See.above@aol.com>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Patrick Scheible wrote:
>>>>> Stephen Fuld<SFuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid>  writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/2/2011 8:46 AM, Robert Wessel wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> snip
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But I've always though that some additional formatting in printf
>>>>>>> formatting strings would be an obvious feature to add to C.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, of course.  While the full functionality of picture clauses might
>>>>>> be nice, A small subset would go a long way.  The single thing I would
>>>>>> most like to see is to make it easy to print numbers with separators
>>>>>> every three characters.  I get so frustrated when I see things like
>>>>>> the output of a profiling program say a routine was executed
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 34587706689349 times.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It sure makes it hard to read and there is no excuse for that.  I
>>>>>> realize there are issues with commas versus spaces as separators, but
>>>>>> these could be overcome.
>>>>>
>>>>> Even if they use spaces instead of commas, it's still easier to read
>>>>> than no separators at all.
>>>>
>>>> Not spaces..  Which do you chose?  The American use of comma or
>>>> the European use of period?  In one side of the pond, the period
>>>> implies fractions.  We couldn't decide in the 70s.
>>>
>>>
>>> C, at least, has answers to a few of those questions already vial the
>>> locale mechanism.  In Cobol, you could specify "DECIMAL POINT IS
>>> COMMA" in the program, and it would swap the decimal point and comma
>>> characters from American to European usage, although you still coded
>>> the comma as the separator character and the period as the decimal
>>> point in the picture strings themselves.
>>>
>>> We dealt with some of that internally many years ago, and ended up
>>> with a mini-language for describing the formatting.  I'll summarize a
>>> bit, but basically you had a string consisting of:
>>
>> The Burroughs medium systems also had such a mini-language.  The compiler
>> converted the PICture clause into a set of micro-operators that were
>> used by the EDT instruction, see:
>>
>>    <http://vseries.lurndal.org/doku.php?id=instructions:edt>
>>
>> scott
>
>That's a lot like what I did for PL/I formats, with the addition of 
>looping for repetition of groups of format specifications and linking to 
>remote formats.  I wish I'd seen yours, I could have avoided 
>re-inventing the wheel.

It dates back to the B3500 in 1965.  The B3500 built on the Electrodata/Burroughs
B100/200/300 systems which had two instructions for data formatting, 'transfer' and 'mask'.

The mask instruction would take a mask like '$***,bbb,bb.bb-' and format the
BCD operand using that mask into a output field (three operand instruction).

Transfer was a bulk move instruction that would move up to 120 bytes at a time.

scott

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