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Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers

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On Sun, 18 May 2025 05:46:37 -0000 (UTC)
Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> wrote:

> MitchAlsup1 <mitchalsup@aol.com> schrieb:
> > Did the book relate the story of why CRAY-1 presented a DC-load to
> > the power supply:: that is, the ECL gates were all of the form where
> > they would switch 20 ma into either the true or the complement out-
> > put and thus have no AC energy at the power supply level ??  
> 
> That they didn't mention.  They stressed his decision to build
> a machine which had good all-round performance, unlike the
> predecessors like the STAR or the Texas Instruments ASC (which I
> had never heard or read of).
>

May be, that aspect of CRAY-1 was different from STAR and ASC, but not
different from CDC 6600 or 7600 or from top models of Cyber-170 series.

> There was one part on the Cray-I design that I found weird.  After
> writing that individual transistors would have been faster than
> integrated circuits, but were chosen for density and manufacture,
> they wrote
> 

That part sounds correct. Logic ICs used in Cray-1 were indeed slower
than contemporary individual transistors.

> "Concerning memory, as in the case of the CPU, Cray did not
> choose the fastest individual components, which would have
> been magnetic cores" due to their limitations in size.
> 

That part does not sound right. CRAY-1  main memory was made of SRAM
with 48 ns access time. That was 4-5 times faster than contemporary
core memories. Plus, it didn't suffer from destructive read.
One part that is true is that faster and less dense memory components
were available, but they were SRAM as well.

> What they also describe well is the tradeoff between different
> vector lengths.  Also very interesting is the mechanisms of getting
> the machines adopted by different industries.

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The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-05-17 20:00 +0000
  Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-05-17 21:27 +0000
    Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-05-18 05:46 +0000
      Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-05-18 18:23 +0300
        Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-05-18 22:02 +0000
        Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers quadibloc <quadibloc@gmail.com> - 2025-05-19 01:08 +0000
          Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-19 01:56 +0000
            Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers quadibloc <quadibloc@gmail.com> - 2025-05-19 03:12 +0000
              OoO execution (was: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-05-19 06:22 +0000
                Re: OoO execution (was: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-05-19 17:10 +0000
                Re: OoO execution (was: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-05-19 17:46 +0000
                Re: OoO execution ze@zerandconsulting.com (Ze) - 2025-05-19 19:09 +0000
                Re: OoO execution Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-20 00:04 +0000
                Re: OoO execution mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-05-20 00:30 +0000
                Re: OoO execution scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-05-20 13:52 +0000
                Re: OoO execution (was: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers) George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2025-05-21 12:52 -0400
                Re: OoO execution Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2025-05-21 13:14 -0400
                Re: OoO execution moi <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2025-05-21 18:47 +0100
                Re: OoO execution EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2025-05-19 14:33 -0400
                Re: OoO execution quadibloc <quadibloc@gmail.com> - 2025-05-19 19:08 +0000
                Re: OoO execution Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2025-05-19 22:04 +0200
                Re: OoO execution Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-05-19 23:27 +0300
                Re: OoO execution John Savard <quadibloc@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-16 14:27 +0000
                Re: OoO execution mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-07-16 18:27 +0000
                Re: OoO execution Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2025-07-16 17:45 -0400
                Re: OoO execution Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-26 02:45 +0000
                Re: OoO execution John Savard <quadibloc@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-31 20:38 +0000
                Re: OoO execution Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-08-01 15:02 +0300
                Re: OoO execution John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-08-01 15:44 +0000
                Re: OoO execution (was: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers) Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-05-19 23:41 +0300
                Re: OoO execution (was: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-20 00:01 +0000
                Re: OoO execution (was: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-05-20 21:21 +0000
                Re: OoO execution (was: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers) Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-05-30 13:28 +0300
                Re: OoO execution (was: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers) Al Kossow <aek@bitsavers.org> - 2025-05-30 10:51 -0700
                Re: OoO execution (was: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-05-30 19:36 +0000
                Re: OoO execution (was: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-05-31 07:57 +0000
                Re: OoO execution (was: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-30 22:05 +0000
                Re: OoO execution mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-05-30 23:01 +0000
                Re: OoO execution (was: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-05-31 08:10 +0000
                Re: OoO execution (was: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-05-29 19:02 +0000
                Re: OoO execution mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-05-29 20:06 +0000
                Re: OoO execution Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-29 22:20 +0000
                Re: OoO execution David Schultz <david.schultz@earthlink.net> - 2025-05-29 18:36 -0500
              Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-19 07:50 +0000
            Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-05-19 16:55 +0300
              Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-19 23:58 +0000
                Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-05-20 13:45 +0300
                Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-05-20 16:59 +0000
                Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-05-20 19:59 +0000
                Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-05-20 22:48 +0000
                Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-05-21 11:21 +0300
                Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-21 08:44 +0000
                Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-05-21 16:09 +0000
                Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-05-21 20:11 +0300
                Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-05-21 20:04 +0000
                Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-05-25 21:08 +0000
                Re: 360/44, The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-05-25 22:50 +0000
    Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-05-18 11:33 +0300
      Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-05-18 22:01 +0000
        Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-05-19 16:35 +0300
          Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers Al Kossow <aek@bitsavers.org> - 2025-05-19 09:49 -0700
          Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-05-19 18:14 +0000
            Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-05-19 23:11 +0300
              Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-05-20 01:36 -0500
            Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-20 05:40 +0000
              Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-05-20 16:58 +0000
                Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-21 00:28 +0000
            Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers "Brian G. Lucas" <bagel99@gmail.com> - 2025-05-26 11:48 -0500
              Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-05-26 18:01 +0000
                Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2025-05-26 16:52 -0400
                Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers Al Kossow <aek@bitsavers.org> - 2025-05-26 19:27 -0700

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