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| Started by | Dave Nadler <drn@nadler.com> |
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| First post | 2021-04-16 15:24 -0400 |
| Last post | 2021-05-02 08:49 -0700 |
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Static analysis tool? Dave Nadler <drn@nadler.com> - 2021-04-16 15:24 -0400
Re: Static analysis tool? Helmut Giese <hgiese@ratiosoft.com> - 2021-04-16 21:44 +0200
Re: Static analysis tool? Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2021-04-16 12:56 -0700
Re: Static analysis tool? Dave Nadler <drn@nadler.com> - 2021-04-16 16:26 -0400
Re: Static analysis tool? Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2021-04-16 13:47 -0700
Re: Static analysis tool? Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2021-04-16 13:54 -0700
Re: Static analysis tool? Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> - 2021-04-16 22:54 +0200
Re: Static analysis tool? Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2021-04-16 14:20 -0700
Re: Static analysis tool? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2021-04-17 01:04 -0700
Re: Static analysis tool? Stefan Reuther <stefan.news@arcor.de> - 2021-04-17 10:09 +0200
Re: Static analysis tool? Michael Kellett <mk@mkesc.co.uk> - 2021-04-17 10:45 +0100
Re: Static analysis tool? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-04-17 12:51 +0200
Re: Static analysis tool? Dave Nadler <drn@nadler.com> - 2021-04-17 10:34 -0400
Re: Static analysis tool? Dave Nadler <drn@nadler.com> - 2021-05-02 11:41 -0400
Re: Static analysis tool? Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2021-05-02 08:49 -0700
| From | Dave Nadler <drn@nadler.com> |
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| Date | 2021-04-16 15:24 -0400 |
| Subject | Static analysis tool? |
| Message-ID | <s5co8v$ck0$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
Perhaps someone here can help... I'm doing a presentation on techniques for embedded, especially removing and keeping out bugs ;-) Using an example project from last year. A reviewer of my first draft suggested many of the bugs surfaced in the project would have been caught by static analysis - but I haven't had such great luck in the past. Tried CPPcheck, and while it found some less-than-optimal stuff it only found one of the real bugs discussed. Tried to get an evaluation copy of Coverity, but got a wildly annoying and clueless sales person who promises a member of the right team will contact me shortly (Real Soon Now). Bugs I had to fix and amenable to static analysis included: - uninitialized variable (only one found by CPPcheck) - use of magic 0xff index value as subscript off end of array - C macro with unguarded arguments getting wrong answer - use of int8 to index 1kb buffer (so only 256 bytes got used) Anybody able to recommend a tool they've used successfully? Thanks in advance, Best Regards, Dave
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| From | Helmut Giese <hgiese@ratiosoft.com> |
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| Date | 2021-04-16 21:44 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <hjpj7gd3jisctuebt00jnc6a3f6enu7ffr@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #30443 |
Dave Nadler <drn@nadler.com> schrieb: >Perhaps someone here can help... > >I'm doing a presentation on techniques for embedded, especially removing >and keeping out bugs ;-) Using an example project from last year. A >reviewer of my first draft suggested many of the bugs surfaced in the >project would have been caught by static analysis - but I haven't had >such great luck in the past. > >Tried CPPcheck, and while it found some less-than-optimal stuff it only >found one of the real bugs discussed. > >Tried to get an evaluation copy of Coverity, but got a wildly annoying >and clueless sales person who promises a member of the right team will >contact me shortly (Real Soon Now). > >Bugs I had to fix and amenable to static analysis included: >- uninitialized variable (only one found by CPPcheck) >- use of magic 0xff index value as subscript off end of array >- C macro with unguarded arguments getting wrong answer >- use of int8 to index 1kb buffer (so only 256 bytes got used) > >Anybody able to recommend a tool they've used successfully? >Thanks in advance, >Best Regards, Dave Hi Dave, in the (long gone) past I used a commercial tool called 'Lint' by a company caled 'Gimpel'. Its main problem is its extremely sharp eyes: It will tell you anything which might possibly be wrong - and you will be surprised how much of your code falls into this category. However, by way of a so called 'Lint file' you can configure Lint to suppress all kinds of warnings: If you say 'This is my coding style, and I know what I am doing' you can suppress many of the (for you) useless messages. I think I have heard of open source Lint programs but know nothing of the quality of their results. HTH Helmut
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| From | Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> |
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| Date | 2021-04-16 12:56 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <s5cq5d$13j$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #30443 |
On 4/16/2021 12:24 PM, Dave Nadler wrote: > Perhaps someone here can help... > > I'm doing a presentation on techniques for embedded, especially removing and > keeping out bugs ;-) Using an example project from last year. A reviewer of my > first draft suggested many of the bugs surfaced in the project would have been > caught by static analysis - but I haven't had such great luck in the past. Presumably, C. > Tried CPPcheck, and while it found some less-than-optimal stuff it only found > one of the real bugs discussed. > > Tried to get an evaluation copy of Coverity, but got a wildly annoying and > clueless sales person who promises a member of the right team will contact me > shortly (Real Soon Now). > > Bugs I had to fix and amenable to static analysis included: > - uninitialized variable (only one found by CPPcheck) > - use of magic 0xff index value as subscript off end of array > - C macro with unguarded arguments getting wrong answer > - use of int8 to index 1kb buffer (so only 256 bytes got used) > > Anybody able to recommend a tool they've used successfully? Coverity will require deep pockets/"high visibility" (they're out to make money). Eclipse includes some tools. Lint/PCLint are old standbys. There are a few IDEs that include support for MISRA compliance checking. PVS-Studio under Windows. Note that what some folks would consider a bug might really just be a coding style preference (e.g., multiple returns from a function) My approach has mimicked that implicit in code reviews: let lots of eyes (in this case, tools) look at the code and then interpret their reports. The more you veer from plain vanilla C, the more you;ll have to hand-hold the tool.
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| From | Dave Nadler <drn@nadler.com> |
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| Date | 2021-04-16 16:26 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <s5crtl$3cv$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #30446 |
On 4/16/2021 3:56 PM, Don Y wrote: > On 4/16/2021 12:24 PM, Dave Nadler wrote: >> Perhaps someone here can help... >> >> I'm doing a presentation on techniques for embedded, especially >> removing and keeping out bugs ;-) Using an example project from last >> year. A reviewer of my first draft suggested many of the bugs surfaced >> in the project would have been caught by static analysis - but I >> haven't had such great luck in the past. > > Presumably, C. Sorry, yes, C (and later C++). >> Tried CPPcheck, and while it found some less-than-optimal stuff it >> only found one of the real bugs discussed. >> >> Tried to get an evaluation copy of Coverity, but got a wildly annoying >> and clueless sales person who promises a member of the right team will >> contact me shortly (Real Soon Now). >> >> Bugs I had to fix and amenable to static analysis included: >> - uninitialized variable (only one found by CPPcheck) >> - use of magic 0xff index value as subscript off end of array >> - C macro with unguarded arguments getting wrong answer >> - use of int8 to index 1kb buffer (so only 256 bytes got used) >> >> Anybody able to recommend a tool they've used successfully? > > Coverity will require deep pockets/"high visibility" (they're out > to make money). Presumably they'd like a recommendation in a presentation that will be seen by ~1k people. But at the current pace more likely they will get a dis-recommendation. Sales person just emailed me an incorrect summary of my requirements though I repeated them at least 3 times, Yikes. > Eclipse includes some tools. Lint/PCLint are old standbys. Haven't found anything that works with current Eclipse. For this one I'm actually looking for stand-alone tool. > There are a few IDEs that include support for MISRA compliance > checking. PVS-Studio under Windows. These bugs would probably pass any MISRA checker. As do hundreds of bugs I've seen in the past few years. But hey, MISRA is a religion. > Note that what some folks would consider a bug might really > just be a coding style preference (e.g., multiple returns > from a function) > > My approach has mimicked that implicit in code reviews: let lots > of eyes (in this case, tools) look at the code and then interpret > their reports. The more you veer from plain vanilla C, the more > you;ll have to hand-hold the tool. The presentation emphasizes actual human code reviews, but one of the early reviewers suggested static analysis, so I thought I'd give it a try... Thanks Don!
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| From | Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> |
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| Date | 2021-04-16 13:47 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <s5ct5l$k8h$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #30448 |
On 4/16/2021 1:26 PM, Dave Nadler wrote: > On 4/16/2021 3:56 PM, Don Y wrote: >> On 4/16/2021 12:24 PM, Dave Nadler wrote: >>> Anybody able to recommend a tool they've used successfully? >> >> Coverity will require deep pockets/"high visibility" (they're out >> to make money). > > Presumably they'd like a recommendation in a presentation that will be seen by > ~1k people. But at the current pace more likely they will get a > dis-recommendation. Sales person just emailed me an incorrect summary of my > requirements though I repeated them at least 3 times, Yikes. Ahhh, gwasshoppa... your mistake is assuming competence! IIRC, NetBSD (or maybe FreeBSD?) is using Coverity to analyze their codebase (perhaps just the core system -- kernel + userland) >> Eclipse includes some tools. Lint/PCLint are old standbys. > > Haven't found anything that works with current Eclipse. > For this one I'm actually looking for stand-alone tool. > >> There are a few IDEs that include support for MISRA compliance >> checking. PVS-Studio under Windows. > > These bugs would probably pass any MISRA checker. > As do hundreds of bugs I've seen in the past few years. > But hey, MISRA is a religion. ... and, as with all religions... <frown> >> Note that what some folks would consider a bug might really >> just be a coding style preference (e.g., multiple returns >> from a function) >> >> My approach has mimicked that implicit in code reviews: let lots >> of eyes (in this case, tools) look at the code and then interpret >> their reports. The more you veer from plain vanilla C, the more >> you;ll have to hand-hold the tool. > > The presentation emphasizes actual human code reviews, but one of the early > reviewers suggested static analysis, so I thought I'd give it a try... You might suggest/pitch the use of whatever tools are available RUN ON THE CODEBASE BEFORE THE CODE REVIEW. The point not being to find all of the problems, but, rather, to "bias" (bad choice of word) the reviewers as they undertake their active review of the code. I.e., the amount of low-hanging fruit can prime folks to step up (or down!) their game. A guy walking into a review with a boatload of *compiler* warnings is just wasting peoples' time! If developers have access to those same tools, then due diligence would suggest they run them on their code BEFORE "embarassing themselves". I think the takeaway has to be that there is no "perfect" tool. And, when you factor in coding styles, local culture, etc. you really should come away thinking this is NOT a "checkoff item". I suspect it may be "beyond your charter" but an interesting exercise might be to show an "initial implementation", note the number of faults found (manually or with tools) in contrast with a refactored implementation (though refactored BEFORE the analysis was done). The point being to show how coding styles (designs?) can impact the quality of the code. "Here's a huge piece of spaghetti code. Note the number of errors... Now, the same (functionally) code written in a better style..."
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| From | Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> |
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| Date | 2021-04-16 13:54 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <s5cti6$nj3$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #30450 |
On 4/16/2021 1:47 PM, Don Y wrote: > I suspect it may be "beyond your charter" but an interesting > exercise might be to show an "initial implementation", note > the number of faults found (manually or with tools) in contrast > with a refactored implementation (though refactored BEFORE the > analysis was done). The point being to show how coding styles > (designs?) can impact the quality of the code. > > "Here's a huge piece of spaghetti code. Note the number of > errors... Now, the same (functionally) code written in a > better style..." You can also suggest mechanizing testing -- and the consequences it has on how you structure the code so that it can be tested in that way. This is particularly helpful in embedded design where it's too easy to write code that *requires* hardware to run properly (yet, chances are, many of the algorithms could be tested without that hardware if the hardware dependencies were isolated). I write most of my OSs and drivers so that I can run them in an interpreter or simulator. Catch the obvious bugs where it's easy to do so (running at DC).
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| From | Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> |
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| Date | 2021-04-16 22:54 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <s5ctik$1c8$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #30446 |
Am 16.04.21 um 21:56 schrieb Don Y: >> Anybody able to recommend a tool they've used successfully? > > Coverity will require deep pockets/"high visibility" (they're out > to make money). Friends of mine were quite happy with it verifying our 10 M lines of code wafertester control software. IIRC it is free to use on open source software. cheers, Gerhard
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| From | Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> |
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| Date | 2021-04-16 14:20 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <s5cv2q$23m$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #30452 |
On 4/16/2021 1:54 PM, Gerhard Hoffmann wrote: > Am 16.04.21 um 21:56 schrieb Don Y: > >>> Anybody able to recommend a tool they've used successfully? >> >> Coverity will require deep pockets/"high visibility" (they're out >> to make money). > > Friends of mine were quite happy with it verifying our 10 M lines > of code wafertester control software. Oh, it's a wonderful tool! But, for most small organizations, it's likely seen as an "unnecessary expense". > IIRC it is free to use on open source software. They have a cloud-based service that will analyze your codebase. I'm not sure how willing most firms will be to upload the "family jewels"... If you're an *established* open-source project, you'll get more attention (hence NetBSD). But, you'll still play on their terms.
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| From | Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2021-04-17 01:04 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <87sg3ppc9s.fsf@nightsong.com> |
| In reply to | #30443 |
Dave Nadler <drn@nadler.com> writes: > Anybody able to recommend a tool they've used successfully? I haven't personally used it, but Frama-C is well regarded for this. This isn't specifically about static analysis, but you might find it interesting: https://dwheeler.com/essays/high-assurance-floss.html Also, Dawson Engler's site http://web.stanford.edu/~engler has lots of stuff about static analysis (he is the founder or a co-founder of Coverity). Finally, ask yourself why you are still using C in this day and age at all, if correctness is critical. Ada, Rust, or even C++ can keep you out of a lot of trouble.
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| From | Stefan Reuther <stefan.news@arcor.de> |
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| Date | 2021-04-17 10:09 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <s5ec5j.5h0.1@stefan.msgid.phost.de> |
| In reply to | #30443 |
Am 16.04.2021 um 21:24 schrieb Dave Nadler: > Tried CPPcheck, and while it found some less-than-optimal stuff it only > found one of the real bugs discussed. > > Tried to get an evaluation copy of Coverity, but got a wildly annoying > and clueless sales person who promises a member of the right team will > contact me shortly (Real Soon Now). > > Bugs I had to fix and amenable to static analysis included: > - uninitialized variable (only one found by CPPcheck) > - use of magic 0xff index value as subscript off end of array > - C macro with unguarded arguments getting wrong answer > - use of int8 to index 1kb buffer (so only 256 bytes got used) > > Anybody able to recommend a tool they've used successfully? First and foremost: if you've been sloppy for decades, throwing ANY tool at the existing codebase will bury you in "findings" and therefore not be useful. So, you WILL have to dumb down the tool to make it usable. If you're giving out big money for the tool, it'll be hard to predict whether you'll end up using 90% or 10% of it. That aside, I consider the free tools good enough. The bang-for-the-buck ratio is hard to beat: Recent gcc and clang versions learned to detect a lot of things that previously only specialized tools would find (e.g. switch/case fallthrough). Just turn on the bulk for a first test (-O2 -Wall -Wextra), and turn on even more stuff later. For example, we're using -Wconversion which can be really annoying but has found/would have found a few real bugs in our codebase. Of course this will bury you in warnings if you haven't tried it before. cppcheck has the advantage of knowing some APIs, i.e. it will find some file descriptor leaks. On the downside, it has some annoying false positives (e.g. in C++11, it will flag every other method of a local class if one method is using std::move on a member). Now I've also used Klocwork (which would be the same league as Coverity), but consider its gain minimal. In our codebase, it produces lots of false positives, some of which lead to sore forehead due to excessive facepalming. One annoying example is its attempt to implement the MISRA pseudo-type system, where '1 << 10' is an error because '1' has type uint8_t for MISRA. Problem is, it considers 'UINT32_C(1)' to have type uint8_t as well. Another annoying example is that whenever I call a class method 'open', it expects a call to 'close' somewhere or flags a resource leak. And sometimes it gets lost inside STL and tells me that standard class has a leak; at least you won't have that problem when checking only C :) On the plus side, it has a database to silence one finding for the future. Stefan
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| From | Michael Kellett <mk@mkesc.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2021-04-17 10:45 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <wfWdnbr1Fb_YM-f9nZ2dnUU78RfNnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #30443 |
On 16/04/2021 20:24, Dave Nadler wrote: > Perhaps someone here can help... > > I'm doing a presentation on techniques for embedded, especially removing > and keeping out bugs ;-) Using an example project from last year. A > reviewer of my first draft suggested many of the bugs surfaced in the > project would have been caught by static analysis - but I haven't had > such great luck in the past. > > Tried CPPcheck, and while it found some less-than-optimal stuff it only > found one of the real bugs discussed. > > Tried to get an evaluation copy of Coverity, but got a wildly annoying > and clueless sales person who promises a member of the right team will > contact me shortly (Real Soon Now). > > Bugs I had to fix and amenable to static analysis included: > - uninitialized variable (only one found by CPPcheck) > - use of magic 0xff index value as subscript off end of array > - C macro with unguarded arguments getting wrong answer > - use of int8 to index 1kb buffer (so only 256 bytes got used) > > Anybody able to recommend a tool they've used successfully? > Thanks in advance, > Best Regards, Dave I uses PC_Lint Version 9, not the latest, but Gimple now only sell site licenses at rather high cost if you only need 1. It's still a cheapish solution. Ristan Case it nice but has not been updated for years and is not likely to be. Lint + MISRA is a bit like doing a code review with a colleague who objects to pretty much everything you do. For me its main virtue is in forcing you to think about stuff a little more. On the current project (where I'm using these tools) it has certainly caught a few bugs but a lot more instances of stuff that can (and should) be expressed more clearly or simply. The problem with working in a "MISRA compliant" environment is that slavish obedience is required which is often daft. The documentation burden of dealing with exceptions can become large. On balance I think it improves my code. (And since on the current project no code reviews ever happen - it's all I've got :-( All the above applies to C only. MK
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| From | David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> |
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| Date | 2021-04-17 12:51 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <s5eeit$cie$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #30443 |
On 16/04/2021 21:24, Dave Nadler wrote: > Perhaps someone here can help... > > I'm doing a presentation on techniques for embedded, especially removing > and keeping out bugs ;-) Using an example project from last year. A > reviewer of my first draft suggested many of the bugs surfaced in the > project would have been caught by static analysis - but I haven't had > such great luck in the past. > > Tried CPPcheck, and while it found some less-than-optimal stuff it only > found one of the real bugs discussed. > > Tried to get an evaluation copy of Coverity, but got a wildly annoying > and clueless sales person who promises a member of the right team will > contact me shortly (Real Soon Now). > > Bugs I had to fix and amenable to static analysis included: > - uninitialized variable (only one found by CPPcheck) > - use of magic 0xff index value as subscript off end of array > - C macro with unguarded arguments getting wrong answer > - use of int8 to index 1kb buffer (so only 256 bytes got used) > > Anybody able to recommend a tool they've used successfully? > Thanks in advance, > Best Regards, Dave Your first step should always be the compiler - a good compiler, with optimisation enabled (that's essential) and lots of warnings will pick up many such things. It won't do everything, but it is certainly a good start. gcc in particular has got better and better at this over time - I have found bugs in code (other people's code, of course :-) ) after switching to a newer gcc and enabling more warnings. Actually, that is perhaps the /second/ step. The first step is to adopt good coding practices (and perhaps a formal standard) that make it easier to avoid writing the bugs in the first place, and to spot them when they are made accidentally. For example, a strong emphasis on static inline functions rather than macros means your risk of macro problems drops dramatically - and a coding standard that insists on always guarding the arguments means you don't get the macro bug you mentioned above.
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| From | Dave Nadler <drn@nadler.com> |
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| Date | 2021-04-17 10:34 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <s5erma$1kek$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #30443 |
On 4/16/2021 3:24 PM, Dave Nadler wrote: > Perhaps someone here can help... > > I'm doing a presentation on techniques for embedded, especially removing > and keeping out bugs ;-) Using an example project from last year. A > reviewer of my first draft suggested many of the bugs surfaced in the > project would have been caught by static analysis - but I haven't had > such great luck in the past. > > Tried CPPcheck, and while it found some less-than-optimal stuff it only > found one of the real bugs discussed. > > Tried to get an evaluation copy of Coverity, but got a wildly annoying > and clueless sales person who promises a member of the right team will > contact me shortly (Real Soon Now). > > Bugs I had to fix and amenable to static analysis included: > - uninitialized variable (only one found by CPPcheck) > - use of magic 0xff index value as subscript off end of array > - C macro with unguarded arguments getting wrong answer > - use of int8 to index 1kb buffer (so only 256 bytes got used) > > Anybody able to recommend a tool they've used successfully? > Thanks in advance, > Best Regards, Dave Thanks all for the comments. I should have explained this project came from elsewhere; landed in my lap to add a minor feature which resulted in needing to do lots of debug of existing problems. I even rewrote part of it in C++ ;-) Project is proprietary so Coverity scan is not applicable as that's only for FOSS. Only 5 (maybe 6?) of the top dozen bugs COULD be found by static analysis but certainly that would have been helpful. If anybody has an hour and would be interested to review the presentation first draft video PM me - I can always use some constructive comments and suggestions! Thanks again, Best Regards, Dave
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| From | Dave Nadler <drn@nadler.com> |
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| Date | 2021-05-02 11:41 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <s6mh6p$fs1$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #30462 |
On 4/17/2021 10:34 AM, Dave Nadler wrote: > On 4/16/2021 3:24 PM, Dave Nadler wrote: >> Perhaps someone here can help... >> >> I'm doing a presentation on techniques for embedded, especially >> removing and keeping out bugs ;-) Using an example project from last >> year. A reviewer of my first draft suggested many of the bugs surfaced >> in the project would have been caught by static analysis - but I >> haven't had such great luck in the past. >> >> Tried CPPcheck, and while it found some less-than-optimal stuff it >> only found one of the real bugs discussed. >> >> Tried to get an evaluation copy of Coverity, but got a wildly annoying >> and clueless sales person who promises a member of the right team will >> contact me shortly (Real Soon Now). >> >> Bugs I had to fix and amenable to static analysis included: >> - uninitialized variable (only one found by CPPcheck) >> - use of magic 0xff index value as subscript off end of array >> - C macro with unguarded arguments getting wrong answer >> - use of int8 to index 1kb buffer (so only 256 bytes got used) >> >> Anybody able to recommend a tool they've used successfully? >> Thanks in advance, >> Best Regards, Dave > > Thanks all for the comments. I should have explained this project came > from elsewhere; landed in my lap to add a minor feature which resulted > in needing to do lots of debug of existing problems. I even rewrote part > of it in C++ ;-) Project is proprietary so Coverity scan is not > applicable as that's only for FOSS. Only 5 (maybe 6?) of the top dozen > bugs COULD be found by static analysis but certainly that would have > been helpful. > > If anybody has an hour and would be interested to review the > presentation first draft video PM me - I can always use some > constructive comments and suggestions! > > Thanks again, > Best Regards, Dave Further follow-up: Never heard back from Coverity (as expected). Tried Perforce Klocworks and got a very perky and slightly less annoying sales person who promised prompt follow-up, and as usual none was forthcoming. Any other static analysis tools you folks can suggest?
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| From | Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> |
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| Date | 2021-05-02 08:49 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <s6mhmb$vnh$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #30568 |
On 5/2/2021 8:41 AM, Dave Nadler wrote: > On 4/17/2021 10:34 AM, Dave Nadler wrote: >> On 4/16/2021 3:24 PM, Dave Nadler wrote: >>> Perhaps someone here can help... >>> >>> I'm doing a presentation on techniques for embedded, especially removing and >>> keeping out bugs ;-) Using an example project from last year. A reviewer of >>> my first draft suggested many of the bugs surfaced in the project would have >>> been caught by static analysis - but I haven't had such great luck in the past. >>> >>> Tried CPPcheck, and while it found some less-than-optimal stuff it only >>> found one of the real bugs discussed. >>> >>> Tried to get an evaluation copy of Coverity, but got a wildly annoying and >>> clueless sales person who promises a member of the right team will contact >>> me shortly (Real Soon Now). >>> >>> Bugs I had to fix and amenable to static analysis included: >>> - uninitialized variable (only one found by CPPcheck) >>> - use of magic 0xff index value as subscript off end of array >>> - C macro with unguarded arguments getting wrong answer >>> - use of int8 to index 1kb buffer (so only 256 bytes got used) >>> >>> Anybody able to recommend a tool they've used successfully? >>> Thanks in advance, >>> Best Regards, Dave >> >> Thanks all for the comments. I should have explained this project came from >> elsewhere; landed in my lap to add a minor feature which resulted in needing >> to do lots of debug of existing problems. I even rewrote part of it in C++ >> ;-) Project is proprietary so Coverity scan is not applicable as that's only >> for FOSS. Only 5 (maybe 6?) of the top dozen bugs COULD be found by static >> analysis but certainly that would have been helpful. >> >> If anybody has an hour and would be interested to review the presentation >> first draft video PM me - I can always use some constructive comments and >> suggestions! >> >> Thanks again, >> Best Regards, Dave > > Further follow-up: Never heard back from Coverity (as expected). > Tried Perforce Klocworks and got a very perky and slightly less annoying sales > person who promised prompt follow-up, and as usual none was forthcoming. > > Any other static analysis tools you folks can suggest? You're not going to find anything of the same caliber as Klocwork/Coverity in the "discount/FOSS" aisle. But, as I said, elsewhere, with enough (machine) "eyes" looking at your code, you may eke out some insights that would evade a normal review. Look at PVS Studio. ConQAT won't necessarily give you the sorts of flags that you're likely expecting from a static analysis tool; but, can help with things like clone detection (more "smells" than actual "problems") [Of course, there are other tools that do similar things]
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