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  On log or in log? Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2020-04-11 19:33 +0300
    Re: On log or in log? Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2020-04-11 12:45 -0400
      Re: On log or in log? Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2020-04-11 21:06 +0300
    Re: On log or in log? Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2020-04-11 09:50 -0700
      Re: On log or in log? Hans-Bernhard Bröker <HBBroeker@t-online.de> - 2020-04-11 20:10 +0200
    Re: On log or in log? Dave Nadler <drn@nadler.com> - 2020-04-11 14:10 -0700
      Re: On log or in log? Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2020-04-11 14:21 -0700
      Re: On log or in log? Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2020-04-12 00:34 +0300
        Re: On log or in log? Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2020-04-11 23:04 +0100
          Re: On log or in log? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2020-04-12 05:18 -0500
            Re: On log or in log? Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2020-04-12 03:24 -0700
              Re: On log or in log? Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2020-04-12 16:08 +0100
                Re: On log or in log? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2020-04-12 12:27 -0500
            Re: On log or in log? Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2020-04-12 18:25 +0300
              Re: On log or in log? Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2020-04-12 11:34 -0700
                Re: On log or in log? Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2020-04-12 21:59 +0300
                  Re: On log or in log? Dave Nadler <drn@nadler.com> - 2020-04-12 13:09 -0700
                    Re: On log or in log? Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2020-04-12 23:29 +0300
                  Re: On log or in log? Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2020-04-12 14:59 -0700
                    Re: On log or in log? Phil Martel <pomartel@comcast.net> - 2020-04-13 11:12 -0400
                  Re: On log or in log? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-04-13 15:41 +0200
                    Re: On log or in log? Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2020-04-13 09:58 -0700
                      Re: On log or in log? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-04-13 19:11 +0200
                        Re: On log or in log? Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2020-04-13 10:25 -0700
              Re: On log or in log? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-04-13 15:12 +0200
              Re: On log or in log? Phil Martel <pomartel@comcast.net> - 2020-04-13 11:03 -0400
            Re: On log or in log? Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2020-04-12 16:41 +0100
        Re: On log or in log? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-04-12 18:00 +0200
          Re: On log or in log? Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2020-04-12 21:51 +0300
            Re: On log or in log? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-04-13 15:47 +0200
              Re: On log or in log? Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2020-04-13 17:47 +0300
          Re: On log or in log? Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2020-04-13 09:53 +1000
            Re: On log or in log? Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2020-04-12 18:29 -0700
        Re: On log or in log? queequeg@trust.no1 (Queequeg) - 2020-04-14 09:56 +0000

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#29415 — On log or in log?

Writing a log object (as in log file, say logging accessed addresses
using a browser) and the question "do I put something _on_ the log
or do I put it _in_ the log"is bugging me, obviously enough so I
thought I'd ask. Some vague googling returned only about "log in"vs. 
"log on" which I did not even check if it was relevant.

My memory seems to say "on", my inherent inclination is to say "in",
which is how one would say in Bulgarian.
So it is bugging me - please help on this life/death issue.

Dimiter

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======================================================
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#29416

On 2020-04-11 12:33, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
> Writing a log object (as in log file, say logging accessed addresses
> using a browser) and the question "do I put something _on_ the log
> or do I put it _in_ the log"is bugging me, obviously enough so I
> thought I'd ask. Some vague googling returned only about "log in"vs. 
> "log on" which I did not even check if it was relevant.
> 
> My memory seems to say "on", my inherent inclination is to say "in",
> which is how one would say in Bulgarian.
> So it is bugging me - please help on this life/death issue.
> 
> Dimiter
> 
> ======================================================
> Dimiter Popoff, TGI             http://www.tgi-sci.com
> ======================================================
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/didi_tgi/
> 

In.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

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ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
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#29418

On 4/11/2020 19:45, Phil Hobbs wrote:
> On 2020-04-11 12:33, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
>> Writing a log object (as in log file, say logging accessed addresses
>> using a browser) and the question "do I put something _on_ the log
>> or do I put it _in_ the log"is bugging me, obviously enough so I
>> thought I'd ask. Some vague googling returned only about "log in"vs. 
>> "log on" which I did not even check if it was relevant.
>>
>> My memory seems to say "on", my inherent inclination is to say "in",
>> which is how one would say in Bulgarian.
>> So it is bugging me - please help on this life/death issue.
>>
>> Dimiter
>>
>> ======================================================
>> Dimiter Popoff, TGI             http://www.tgi-sci.com
>> ======================================================
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/didi_tgi/
>>
> 
> In.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Phil Hobbs
> 

Thanks. Preposition use can differ in very surprising ways between
languages, well, this time it does not though :-).

Dimiter

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#29417

On Saturday, April 11, 2020 at 12:33:44 PM UTC-4, Dimiter wrote:
> Writing a log object (as in log file, say logging accessed addresses
> using a browser) and the question "do I put something _on_ the log
> or do I put it _in_ the log"is bugging me, obviously enough so I
> thought I'd ask. Some vague googling returned only about "log in"vs. 
> "log on" which I did not even check if it was relevant.
> 
> My memory seems to say "on", my inherent inclination is to say "in",
> which is how one would say in Bulgarian.
> So it is bugging me - please help on this life/death issue.

Yes, life or death indeed. 

I don't understand the question.  Did you post this message in the group, or on the group or to the group?  

I vote for writing "to" the log. 

Any of them are fine if you are asking an English question.  I can't speak to what might be formally "correct".  

I recall an Iranian student asking me the difference between special and especial and especial and especially.  We looked it up and they seemed to be interchangeable.  I told him that conventional usage included special over especial and especially over specially.  

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#29419

Am 11.04.2020 um 18:50 schrieb Rick C:

> I vote for writing "to" the log.

I believe the excessively correct version would actually be: "into" the log.

Writing "on" a log is if the log is actually a book, and it's closed, so 
your ink lands on its envelope.  Writing "in" it is if the book is 
already laying open, and you just write something somwehere.

But you're composing a message on the outside,and transferring that into 
the log file for keeping, thus: into.

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#29420

On Saturday, April 11, 2020 at 12:33:44 PM UTC-4, Dimiter wrote:
> Writing a log object (as in log file, say logging accessed addresses
> using a browser) and the question "do I put something _on_ the log
> or do I put it _in_ the log"is bugging me,

Neither! "append to the log"

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#29421

On Saturday, April 11, 2020 at 5:10:17 PM UTC-4, Dave Nadler wrote:
> On Saturday, April 11, 2020 at 12:33:44 PM UTC-4, Dimiter wrote:
> > Writing a log object (as in log file, say logging accessed addresses
> > using a browser) and the question "do I put something _on_ the log
> > or do I put it _in_ the log"is bugging me,
> 
> Neither! "append to the log"

I also "log" data without a preposition. 

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#29422

On 4/12/2020 0:10, Dave Nadler wrote:
> On Saturday, April 11, 2020 at 12:33:44 PM UTC-4, Dimiter wrote:
>> Writing a log object (as in log file, say logging accessed addresses
>> using a browser) and the question "do I put something _on_ the log
>> or do I put it _in_ the log"is bugging me,
> 
> Neither! "append to the log"
> 

I see now I put my question in a misleading way. Obviously I know
to "write to the log", append to the log etc., this was not the point.

I should have asked "is something in the log or is it on the log".
Say, like something is "on the menu".

Phil understood me and his answer was what I was after though.

Dimiter

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#29423

Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> wrote:
> I see now I put my question in a misleading way. Obviously I know
> to "write to the log", append to the log etc., this was not the point.
> 
> I should have asked "is something in the log or is it on the log".
> Say, like something is "on the menu".
> 
> Phil understood me and his answer was what I was after though.

The etymology is a contraction of log-book, being a book with which you
record (among other things) the speed of your vessel that you measured by
throwing wooden logs over the side of the ship and seeing how fast they go
out behind you.

So you would be writing 'in' the log-book and hence writing in the log.

However if it was a log-file rather than a log-book, it wouldn't be wrong to
say you were writing to the log-file and hence writing to the log.
(and similar for other kinds of objects that don't open and close, like a
log-chart, log-board or log-sheet)

Hence either of those feel fine to me, but writing 'on' the log doesn't.

Theo

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#29424

On 04/11/2020 05:04 PM, Theo wrote:
> Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> wrote:
>> I see now I put my question in a misleading way. Obviously I know
>> to "write to the log", append to the log etc., this was not the point.
>>
>> I should have asked "is something in the log or is it on the log".
>> Say, like something is "on the menu".
>>
>> Phil understood me and his answer was what I was after though.
> 
> The etymology is a contraction of log-book, being a book with which you
> record (among other things) the speed of your vessel that you measured by
> throwing wooden logs over the side of the ship and seeing how fast they go
> out behind you.
> 
> So you would be writing 'in' the log-book and hence writing in the log.
> 
> However if it was a log-file rather than a log-book, it wouldn't be wrong to
> say you were writing to the log-file and hence writing to the log.
> (and similar for other kinds of objects that don't open and close, like a
> log-chart, log-board or log-sheet)
> 
> Hence either of those feel fine to me, but writing 'on' the log doesn't.
> 
> Theo
> 

This thread is a chuckle as it proves once again that English is a 
strange language. In it "one parks a car in a driveway" while "driving a 
car on a parkway".

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#29425

On Sunday, April 12, 2020 at 6:18:26 AM UTC-4, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 04/11/2020 05:04 PM, Theo wrote:
> > Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> wrote:
> >> I see now I put my question in a misleading way. Obviously I know
> >> to "write to the log", append to the log etc., this was not the point.
> >>
> >> I should have asked "is something in the log or is it on the log".
> >> Say, like something is "on the menu".
> >>
> >> Phil understood me and his answer was what I was after though.
> > 
> > The etymology is a contraction of log-book, being a book with which you
> > record (among other things) the speed of your vessel that you measured by
> > throwing wooden logs over the side of the ship and seeing how fast they go
> > out behind you.
> > 
> > So you would be writing 'in' the log-book and hence writing in the log.
> > 
> > However if it was a log-file rather than a log-book, it wouldn't be wrong to
> > say you were writing to the log-file and hence writing to the log.
> > (and similar for other kinds of objects that don't open and close, like a
> > log-chart, log-board or log-sheet)
> > 
> > Hence either of those feel fine to me, but writing 'on' the log doesn't.
> > 
> > Theo
> > 
> 
> This thread is a chuckle as it proves once again that English is a 
> strange language. In it "one parks a car in a driveway" while "driving a 
> car on a parkway".

We don't have parkways around here.  We have highways.  But don't try getting high on a highway.  Very frowned upon.  When you are high on a highway the cops will bring you down. 

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#29427

Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sunday, April 12, 2020 at 6:18:26 AM UTC-4, Richard Owlett wrote:
> > This thread is a chuckle as it proves once again that English is a 
> > strange language. In it "one parks a car in a driveway" while "driving a 
> > car on a parkway".
> 
> We don't have parkways around here.  We have highways.  But don't try
> getting high on a highway.  Very frowned upon.  When you are high on a
> highway the cops will bring you down.

Around here parkways are served by trains:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Parkway_railway_stations_in_Britain
And highways are mostly places one would find highwaymen.

Theo

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#29431

On 04/12/2020 10:08 AM, Theo wrote:
> Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sunday, April 12, 2020 at 6:18:26 AM UTC-4, Richard Owlett wrote:
>>> This thread is a chuckle as it proves once again that English is a
>>> strange language. In it "one parks a car in a driveway" while "driving a
>>> car on a parkway".
>>
>> We don't have parkways around here.  We have highways.  But don't try
>> getting high on a highway.  Very frowned upon.  When you are high on a
>> highway the cops will bring you down.
> 
> Around here parkways are served by trains:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Parkway_railway_stations_in_Britain
> And highways are mostly places one would find highwaymen.
> 
> Theo
> 

Somebody {G.B. Shaw or W. Churchill} reportedly said "British and 
Americans are two people separated by a common language" ;/

Also, remember English is a "living" (thus evolving/devolving) language.
For a long term example compare the shift in meaning of "to suffer" 
since the 1600's.

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#29428

On 4/12/2020 13:18, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 04/11/2020 05:04 PM, Theo wrote:
>> Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> wrote:
>>> I see now I put my question in a misleading way. Obviously I know
>>> to "write to the log", append to the log etc., this was not the point.
>>>
>>> I should have asked "is something in the log or is it on the log".
>>> Say, like something is "on the menu".
>>>
>>> Phil understood me and his answer was what I was after though.
>>
>> The etymology is a contraction of log-book, being a book with which you
>> record (among other things) the speed of your vessel that you measured by
>> throwing wooden logs over the side of the ship and seeing how fast 
>> they go
>> out behind you.
>>
>> So you would be writing 'in' the log-book and hence writing in the log.
>>
>> However if it was a log-file rather than a log-book, it wouldn't be 
>> wrong to
>> say you were writing to the log-file and hence writing to the log.
>> (and similar for other kinds of objects that don't open and close, like a
>> log-chart, log-board or log-sheet)
>>
>> Hence either of those feel fine to me, but writing 'on' the log doesn't.
>>
>> Theo
>>
> 
> This thread is a chuckle as it proves once again that English is a 
> strange language. In it "one parks a car in a driveway" while "driving a 
> car on a parkway".
> 
> 

Oh it is not just English. All languages I have used (well, just 4) have
plenty of lookup table rules.  E.g. in German the gender is "by table",
more or less like spelling is in English etc.

To a programmer it is funny that something is "on the menu" and, as it
turned out, "in the log". Suspicious enough to make me ask though :-).
But I did not suspect any part of Theo's explanation of how the word
"log" got the meaning it has in programming today... I did know a log
was some piece of wood but there is no chance I would have made
the leap from piece of wood to throwing some into the water to measure
boat velocity (or sort of).

Dimiter

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#29432

On Sunday, April 12, 2020 at 11:25:40 AM UTC-4, Dimiter wrote:
> On 4/12/2020 13:18, Richard Owlett wrote:
> > On 04/11/2020 05:04 PM, Theo wrote:
> >> Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> wrote:
> >>> I see now I put my question in a misleading way. Obviously I know
> >>> to "write to the log", append to the log etc., this was not the point.
> >>>
> >>> I should have asked "is something in the log or is it on the log".
> >>> Say, like something is "on the menu".
> >>>
> >>> Phil understood me and his answer was what I was after though.
> >>
> >> The etymology is a contraction of log-book, being a book with which you
> >> record (among other things) the speed of your vessel that you measured by
> >> throwing wooden logs over the side of the ship and seeing how fast 
> >> they go
> >> out behind you.
> >>
> >> So you would be writing 'in' the log-book and hence writing in the log.
> >>
> >> However if it was a log-file rather than a log-book, it wouldn't be 
> >> wrong to
> >> say you were writing to the log-file and hence writing to the log.
> >> (and similar for other kinds of objects that don't open and close, like a
> >> log-chart, log-board or log-sheet)
> >>
> >> Hence either of those feel fine to me, but writing 'on' the log doesn't.
> >>
> >> Theo
> >>
> > 
> > This thread is a chuckle as it proves once again that English is a 
> > strange language. In it "one parks a car in a driveway" while "driving a 
> > car on a parkway".
> > 
> > 
> 
> Oh it is not just English. All languages I have used (well, just 4) have
> plenty of lookup table rules.  E.g. in German the gender is "by table",
> more or less like spelling is in English etc.

As long as you mentioned spelling in English, here's a question to represent my long standing frustration with the damn language.  (Thanks Britain!) 

How do you spell table?  How do you spell label?  WTF???!!! 

How can anyone expect me to memorize a bazillion arbitrary rules like this???  So which similar words are in the table column and how many are in the label column?  No wonder hand written letters have gone by the wayside, no spell checker!  

I remember the rule for the order of 'i' and 'e' when adjacant...  'I' before 'e' except after 'c' or when it sounds like 'a' as in neighbor and weigh... or some other cases where no rhyming rule has been discovered and a table lookup is required.  English has so many of these spelling rule tables that they each need a lable to tell them apart,,, wait each tabel needs a label.  No, that's not right... ARRGGGHHH!  

I'm done.  I'm using sign language from now on.  Or is it sine language?  -\/\/\/\/\/- 

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#29434

On 4/12/2020 21:34, Rick C wrote:
> On Sunday, April 12, 2020 at 11:25:40 AM UTC-4, Dimiter wrote:
>> On 4/12/2020 13:18, Richard Owlett wrote:
>>> On 04/11/2020 05:04 PM, Theo wrote:
>>>> Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> wrote:
>>>>> I see now I put my question in a misleading way. Obviously I know
>>>>> to "write to the log", append to the log etc., this was not the point.
>>>>>
>>>>> I should have asked "is something in the log or is it on the log".
>>>>> Say, like something is "on the menu".
>>>>>
>>>>> Phil understood me and his answer was what I was after though.
>>>>
>>>> The etymology is a contraction of log-book, being a book with which you
>>>> record (among other things) the speed of your vessel that you measured by
>>>> throwing wooden logs over the side of the ship and seeing how fast
>>>> they go
>>>> out behind you.
>>>>
>>>> So you would be writing 'in' the log-book and hence writing in the log.
>>>>
>>>> However if it was a log-file rather than a log-book, it wouldn't be
>>>> wrong to
>>>> say you were writing to the log-file and hence writing to the log.
>>>> (and similar for other kinds of objects that don't open and close, like a
>>>> log-chart, log-board or log-sheet)
>>>>
>>>> Hence either of those feel fine to me, but writing 'on' the log doesn't.
>>>>
>>>> Theo
>>>>
>>>
>>> This thread is a chuckle as it proves once again that English is a
>>> strange language. In it "one parks a car in a driveway" while "driving a
>>> car on a parkway".
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Oh it is not just English. All languages I have used (well, just 4) have
>> plenty of lookup table rules.  E.g. in German the gender is "by table",
>> more or less like spelling is in English etc.
> 
> As long as you mentioned spelling in English, here's a question to represent my long standing frustration with the damn language.  (Thanks Britain!)
> 
> How do you spell table?  How do you spell label?  WTF???!!!
> 
> How can anyone expect me to memorize a bazillion arbitrary rules like this???  So which similar words are in the table column and how many are in the label column?  No wonder hand written letters have gone by the wayside, no spell checker!
> 
> I remember the rule for the order of 'i' and 'e' when adjacant...  'I' before 'e' except after 'c' or when it sounds like 'a' as in neighbor and weigh... or some other cases where no rhyming rule has been discovered and a table lookup is required.  English has so many of these spelling rule tables that they each need a lable to tell them apart,,, wait each tabel needs a label.  No, that's not right... ARRGGGHHH!
> 
> I'm done.  I'm using sign language from now on.  Or is it sine language?  -\/\/\/\/\/-
> 

Hmmm, perhaps sign languages have their spelling peculiarities as well,
you never know.

Having a phonetic alphabet is not such a huge advantage you know.
Bulgarian is strictly phonetic and a huge part of the accent Bulgarians
have - even people who know English well - comes because people deem
sounds which are not in (or on?....) the alphabet non-existent.
This is less valid for Germans though and they do also have a fairly
phonetic use of the Latin alphabet with their extensions to it.

Dimiter

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#29435

More on logging here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FshU58nI0Ts

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#29436

On 4/12/2020 23:09, Dave Nadler wrote:
> More on logging here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FshU58nI0Ts
> 

I like a lot that one of theirs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4d-HSP0wEc

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#29437

On Sunday, April 12, 2020 at 2:59:17 PM UTC-4, Dimiter wrote:
> On 4/12/2020 21:34, Rick C wrote:
> > On Sunday, April 12, 2020 at 11:25:40 AM UTC-4, Dimiter wrote:
> >> On 4/12/2020 13:18, Richard Owlett wrote:
> >>> On 04/11/2020 05:04 PM, Theo wrote:
> >>>> Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> wrote:
> >>>>> I see now I put my question in a misleading way. Obviously I know
> >>>>> to "write to the log", append to the log etc., this was not the point.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I should have asked "is something in the log or is it on the log".
> >>>>> Say, like something is "on the menu".
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Phil understood me and his answer was what I was after though.
> >>>>
> >>>> The etymology is a contraction of log-book, being a book with which you
> >>>> record (among other things) the speed of your vessel that you measured by
> >>>> throwing wooden logs over the side of the ship and seeing how fast
> >>>> they go
> >>>> out behind you.
> >>>>
> >>>> So you would be writing 'in' the log-book and hence writing in the log.
> >>>>
> >>>> However if it was a log-file rather than a log-book, it wouldn't be
> >>>> wrong to
> >>>> say you were writing to the log-file and hence writing to the log.
> >>>> (and similar for other kinds of objects that don't open and close, like a
> >>>> log-chart, log-board or log-sheet)
> >>>>
> >>>> Hence either of those feel fine to me, but writing 'on' the log doesn't.
> >>>>
> >>>> Theo
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> This thread is a chuckle as it proves once again that English is a
> >>> strange language. In it "one parks a car in a driveway" while "driving a
> >>> car on a parkway".
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> Oh it is not just English. All languages I have used (well, just 4) have
> >> plenty of lookup table rules.  E.g. in German the gender is "by table",
> >> more or less like spelling is in English etc.
> > 
> > As long as you mentioned spelling in English, here's a question to represent my long standing frustration with the damn language.  (Thanks Britain!)
> > 
> > How do you spell table?  How do you spell label?  WTF???!!!
> > 
> > How can anyone expect me to memorize a bazillion arbitrary rules like this???  So which similar words are in the table column and how many are in the label column?  No wonder hand written letters have gone by the wayside, no spell checker!
> > 
> > I remember the rule for the order of 'i' and 'e' when adjacant...  'I' before 'e' except after 'c' or when it sounds like 'a' as in neighbor and weigh... or some other cases where no rhyming rule has been discovered and a table lookup is required.  English has so many of these spelling rule tables that they each need a lable to tell them apart,,, wait each tabel needs a label.  No, that's not right... ARRGGGHHH!
> > 
> > I'm done.  I'm using sign language from now on.  Or is it sine language?  -\/\/\/\/\/-
> > 
> 
> Hmmm, perhaps sign languages have their spelling peculiarities as well,
> you never know.
> 
> Having a phonetic alphabet is not such a huge advantage you know.
> Bulgarian is strictly phonetic and a huge part of the accent Bulgarians
> have - even people who know English well - comes because people deem
> sounds which are not in (or on?....) the alphabet non-existent.
> This is less valid for Germans though and they do also have a fairly
> phonetic use of the Latin alphabet with their extensions to it.
> 
> Dimiter

Sign language, at least in the US, is not phonetic???  How could it be, it's for the deaf.  It is like Chinese, a sign for every word.  Proper names get spelled out with the English alphabet and spelling.  

I was taught it has one idiom, "train go sorry" meaning you missed the boat.  

Again like Asian languages compared to western languages in the use of tones as a main feature of words, facial expressions are a significant part of sign language, it's not just from the hands.  

I did meet a sign interpreter once who had carpal tunnel syndrome.  Irony, no? 

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On 4/12/2020 17:59, Rick C wrote:
> On Sunday, April 12, 2020 at 2:59:17 PM UTC-4, Dimiter wrote:
>> On 4/12/2020 21:34, Rick C wrote:
>>> On Sunday, April 12, 2020 at 11:25:40 AM UTC-4, Dimiter wrote:
>>>> On 4/12/2020 13:18, Richard Owlett wrote:
>>>>> On 04/11/2020 05:04 PM, Theo wrote:
>>>>>> Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> I see now I put my question in a misleading way. Obviously I know
>>>>>>> to "write to the log", append to the log etc., this was not the point.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I should have asked "is something in the log or is it on the log".
>>>>>>> Say, like something is "on the menu".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Phil understood me and his answer was what I was after though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The etymology is a contraction of log-book, being a book with which you
>>>>>> record (among other things) the speed of your vessel that you measured by
>>>>>> throwing wooden logs over the side of the ship and seeing how fast
>>>>>> they go
>>>>>> out behind you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So you would be writing 'in' the log-book and hence writing in the log.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However if it was a log-file rather than a log-book, it wouldn't be
>>>>>> wrong to
>>>>>> say you were writing to the log-file and hence writing to the log.
>>>>>> (and similar for other kinds of objects that don't open and close, like a
>>>>>> log-chart, log-board or log-sheet)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hence either of those feel fine to me, but writing 'on' the log doesn't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Theo
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This thread is a chuckle as it proves once again that English is a
>>>>> strange language. In it "one parks a car in a driveway" while "driving a
>>>>> car on a parkway".
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Oh it is not just English. All languages I have used (well, just 4) have
>>>> plenty of lookup table rules.  E.g. in German the gender is "by table",
>>>> more or less like spelling is in English etc.
>>>
>>> As long as you mentioned spelling in English, here's a question to represent my long standing frustration with the damn language.  (Thanks Britain!)
>>>
>>> How do you spell table?  How do you spell label?  WTF???!!!
>>>
>>> How can anyone expect me to memorize a bazillion arbitrary rules like this???  So which similar words are in the table column and how many are in the label column?  No wonder hand written letters have gone by the wayside, no spell checker!
>>>
>>> I remember the rule for the order of 'i' and 'e' when adjacant...  'I' before 'e' except after 'c' or when it sounds like 'a' as in neighbor and weigh... or some other cases where no rhyming rule has been discovered and a table lookup is required.  English has so many of these spelling rule tables that they each need a lable to tell them apart,,, wait each tabel needs a label.  No, that's not right... ARRGGGHHH!
>>>
>>> I'm done.  I'm using sign language from now on.  Or is it sine language?  -\/\/\/\/\/-
>>>
>>
>> Hmmm, perhaps sign languages have their spelling peculiarities as well,
>> you never know.
>>
>> Having a phonetic alphabet is not such a huge advantage you know.
>> Bulgarian is strictly phonetic and a huge part of the accent Bulgarians
>> have - even people who know English well - comes because people deem
>> sounds which are not in (or on?....) the alphabet non-existent.
>> This is less valid for Germans though and they do also have a fairly
>> phonetic use of the Latin alphabet with their extensions to it.
>>
>> Dimiter
> 
> Sign language, at least in the US, is not phonetic???  How could it be, it's for the deaf.  It is like Chinese, a sign for every word.  Proper names get spelled out with the English alphabet and spelling.
> 
> I was taught it has one idiom, "train go sorry" meaning you missed the boat.
> 
> Again like Asian languages compared to western languages in the use of tones as a main feature of words, facial expressions are a significant part of sign language, it's not just from the hands.
> 
> I did meet a sign interpreter once who had carpal tunnel syndrome.  Irony, no?
> 
There are two forms of sign language in the US (and I believe in many 
other places)  There is "fingrspelling" and ASL (American Sign Language)

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