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Atmel Bought by Microchip

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First post2016-06-28 18:55 -0400
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  Atmel Bought by Microchip rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-06-28 18:55 -0400
    Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2016-06-29 11:24 -0500
      Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-06-29 16:31 +0000
        Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2016-06-29 11:45 -0500
      Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2016-06-29 12:46 -0400
        Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2016-06-29 12:59 -0400
          Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-06-29 17:13 +0000
          Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2016-06-29 10:32 -0700
            Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2016-06-29 16:14 -0400
        Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2016-06-29 12:59 -0500
          Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-06-29 14:06 -0400
            Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2016-06-29 13:28 -0500
            Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl - 2016-07-01 20:03 +0000
              Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-07-01 16:11 -0400
                Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl - 2016-07-01 23:44 +0000
                Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip krw@attt.bizz - 2016-07-01 20:17 -0400
                  Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-07-02 22:42 -0400
                    Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip krw@attt.bizz - 2016-07-03 00:46 -0400
                      Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-07-03 03:08 -0400
                        Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip krw@attt.bizz - 2016-07-03 08:46 -0400
              Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-01 13:33 -0700
                Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-07-01 17:32 -0400
                  Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-01 14:49 -0700
                    Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-07-01 17:52 -0400
                      Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-07-01 17:54 -0400
                Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl - 2016-07-01 22:14 +0000
                  Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-07-01 18:18 -0400
                Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> - 2016-07-01 18:48 -0400
      Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-06-29 13:04 -0400
        Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2016-06-29 13:07 -0500
          Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-06-29 14:17 -0400
            Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2016-06-29 13:34 -0500
            Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2016-06-29 14:45 -0400
      Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip Tim Wescott <seemywebsite@myfooter.really> - 2016-06-29 12:24 -0500
        Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2016-06-29 13:09 -0500
    Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2016-06-29 12:19 -0700
      Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-06-29 19:48 -0400
        Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-06-29 16:49 -0700
      Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip jeffj@panix.com (Jeff Jonas) - 2016-07-18 17:02 -0400
        Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip krw@attt.bizz - 2016-07-18 20:29 -0400
        Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2016-07-19 10:48 +0000
          Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip krw@attt.bizz - 2016-07-19 20:23 -0400
        Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-19 14:27 +0000
    Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip pozz <pozzugno@gmail.com> - 2016-07-22 17:46 +0200
      Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-07-22 12:14 -0400
        Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip pozz <pozzugno@gmail.com> - 2016-07-25 09:10 +0200
          Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip krw@attt.bizz - 2016-07-25 20:11 -0400
      Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip krw@attt.bizz - 2016-07-22 23:01 -0400
        Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip pozz <pozzugno@gmail.com> - 2016-07-25 09:15 +0200
          Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-25 14:06 +0000
            Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip Paul <paul@pcserviceselectronics.co.uk> - 2016-07-25 23:54 +0100
              Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-25 23:18 +0000
                Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-07-25 19:44 -0400
              Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2016-12-16 17:58 +0100
                Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2016-12-16 17:28 -0500
          Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip krw@attt.bizz - 2016-07-25 20:22 -0400
            Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-07-25 22:43 -0400
              Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip krw@attt.bizz - 2016-07-26 20:12 -0400
                Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-26 21:30 -0700
                  Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip krw@attt.bizz - 2016-07-27 19:46 -0400
                Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> - 2016-07-27 07:25 -0400
                  Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip krw@attt.bizz - 2016-07-27 19:53 -0400
                    Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-27 20:04 -0700
                      Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2016-07-28 01:51 -0500
                        Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-07-28 02:50 -0400
                          Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip raimond.dragomir@gmail.com - 2016-07-28 03:27 -0700
                            Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-07-28 12:58 -0400
                        Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-28 00:03 -0700
                          Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip Uwe Bonnes <bon@hertz.ikp.physik.tu-darmstadt.de> - 2016-07-28 10:19 +0000
                            Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-29 14:52 -0700
                              Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-07-30 02:19 -0400
                                Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip krw@attt.bizz - 2016-07-30 20:03 -0400
                                  Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-30 17:11 -0700
                                    Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip krw@attt.bizz - 2016-07-30 20:54 -0400
                                    Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-08-01 09:45 +0200
                                      Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-01 11:52 -0700
                                        Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip raimond.dragomir@gmail.com - 2016-08-01 22:17 -0700
                                          Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-01 22:28 -0700
                                            Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip raimond.dragomir@gmail.com - 2016-08-02 23:14 -0700
                                Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-30 18:05 -0700
                              Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip kristoff <kristoff@skypro.be> - 2016-07-30 18:15 +0200
                                Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-30 19:19 -0700
                          Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-07-28 12:29 +0200
                          Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip pozz <pozzugno@gmail.com> - 2016-07-28 15:04 +0200
                          Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip Mel Wilson <mwilson@the-wire.com> - 2016-07-28 14:07 +0000
                      Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip krw@attt.bizz - 2016-07-28 20:10 -0400
                Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-07-27 10:08 -0400
                  Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip krw@attt.bizz - 2016-07-27 19:49 -0400
                    Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-07-28 00:30 -0400
                      Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip krw@attt.bizz - 2016-07-28 20:13 -0400
                        Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-07-30 02:23 -0400
                          Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip krw@attt.bizz - 2016-07-30 20:06 -0400
                            Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2016-07-31 13:55 +0300
                              Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip krw@attt.bizz - 2016-07-31 09:12 -0400
                                Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2016-07-31 17:22 +0300
                                  Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip krw@attt.bizz - 2016-07-31 10:26 -0400
                                    Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2016-07-31 17:38 +0300
                                      Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip krw@attt.bizz - 2016-07-31 10:49 -0400
                                        Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2016-07-31 17:56 +0300
                                          Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip krw@attt.bizz - 2016-07-31 19:21 -0400
                                            Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2016-08-01 02:47 +0300
                                              Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-31 17:11 -0700
                                                Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2016-07-31 18:54 -0700
                                              Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip krw@attt.bizz - 2016-07-31 20:14 -0400
                                                Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2016-08-01 03:42 +0300
                                                  Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip krw@attt.bizz - 2016-07-31 21:05 -0400
                                                    Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2016-08-01 04:38 +0300
                                                      Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2016-07-31 22:39 -0400

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#24661

FromJasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz>
Date2016-07-19 10:48 +0000
Message-ID<nml0i1$dg3$4@gonzo.alcatraz>
In reply to#24652
On 2016-07-18, Jeff Jonas <jeffj@panix.com> wrote:
>> ... Intel has been making noise about 
>> getting back into the embedded market,
>> where they once had a huge presence with the 8051 product line
>
> Intel dropped the ball when they gave up the xScale ARM line
> to focus on x86 architecture from Pentium to Atom to Quark.
>
> Intel is trying to force themselves into the embedded market
> with the Galileo Arduino-like platform with the Quark Chip,
> and the Edison SoC (system on chip).
> But I see nobody really adopting that despite
> familiarity and comfort with the x86 architecture.
>
> Intel does not seem to collaborate with others.

intel collaborated with AMD in the 80s and that is still costing them.

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#24667

Fromkrw@attt.bizz
Date2016-07-19 20:23 -0400
Message-ID<g3htob5s5nes2irohuq32e2jvd1q8ks1pa@4ax.com>
In reply to#24661
On 19 Jul 2016 10:48:33 GMT, Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> wrote:

>On 2016-07-18, Jeff Jonas <jeffj@panix.com> wrote:
>>> ... Intel has been making noise about 
>>> getting back into the embedded market,
>>> where they once had a huge presence with the 8051 product line
>>
>> Intel dropped the ball when they gave up the xScale ARM line
>> to focus on x86 architecture from Pentium to Atom to Quark.
>>
>> Intel is trying to force themselves into the embedded market
>> with the Galileo Arduino-like platform with the Quark Chip,
>> and the Edison SoC (system on chip).
>> But I see nobody really adopting that despite
>> familiarity and comfort with the x86 architecture.
>>
>> Intel does not seem to collaborate with others.
>
>intel collaborated with AMD in the 80s and that is still costing them.

It could be argued that they'd be nowhere without AMD.

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#24665

FromGrant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid>
Date2016-07-19 14:27 +0000
Message-ID<nmldck$ilc$1@reader1.panix.com>
In reply to#24652
On 2016-07-18, Jeff Jonas <jeffj@panix.com> wrote:

> Intel is trying to force themselves into the embedded market with
> the Galileo Arduino-like platform with the Quark Chip, and the
> Edison SoC (system on chip).  But I see nobody really adopting that
> despite familiarity and comfort with the x86 architecture.

Because the more familiar you are with the x86 architecture, the less
comfortable you are with it.

-- 
Grant Edwards               grant.b.edwards        Yow! An air of FRENCH FRIES
                                  at               permeates my nostrils!!
                              gmail.com            

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#24687

Frompozz <pozzugno@gmail.com>
Date2016-07-22 17:46 +0200
Message-ID<nmtf5c$gog$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#24428
Il 29/06/2016 00:55, rickman ha scritto:
> Not sure how I missed this one for two months.  I see there is already
> some serious contention with Atmel employees.
>
> http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1329412
>
> I wonder what it will be like for the sales force to be selling PICs,
> AVRs and ARMs all into much of the same market space?  I wonder if the
> PIC32 will finally bite the dust with ARMs all around it crowding it out
> of the market?  Or maybe the dsPIC will go away?
>

I was a fan of Atmel AVRs and SAM D2x with all the ecosystem (Atmel 
Studio 7, Atmel Software Framework, free compilers, ...).

However I think Microchip purchased Atmel to kill it.  Atmel online 
support doesn't work anymore.  Atmel MCU prices seem increasing.

Too bad, I think I'll switch to ST and/or NXP.

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#24688

Fromrickman <gnuarm@gmail.com>
Date2016-07-22 12:14 -0400
Message-ID<nmtgoo$la7$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#24687
On 7/22/2016 11:46 AM, pozz wrote:
> Il 29/06/2016 00:55, rickman ha scritto:
>> Not sure how I missed this one for two months.  I see there is already
>> some serious contention with Atmel employees.
>>
>> http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1329412
>>
>> I wonder what it will be like for the sales force to be selling PICs,
>> AVRs and ARMs all into much of the same market space?  I wonder if the
>> PIC32 will finally bite the dust with ARMs all around it crowding it out
>> of the market?  Or maybe the dsPIC will go away?
>>
>
> I was a fan of Atmel AVRs and SAM D2x with all the ecosystem (Atmel
> Studio 7, Atmel Software Framework, free compilers, ...).
>
> However I think Microchip purchased Atmel to kill it.  Atmel online
> support doesn't work anymore.  Atmel MCU prices seem increasing.
>
> Too bad, I think I'll switch to ST and/or NXP.

Whose online support *does* work?  I can't run synthesis in the latest 
update of the Lattice tools and support can't even seem to understand a 
simple question of "what does error code 3 mean"?

-- 

Rick C

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#24690

Frompozz <pozzugno@gmail.com>
Date2016-07-25 09:10 +0200
Message-ID<nn4e1a$lsq$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#24688
Il 22/07/2016 18:14, rickman ha scritto:
> On 7/22/2016 11:46 AM, pozz wrote:
>> Il 29/06/2016 00:55, rickman ha scritto:
>>> Not sure how I missed this one for two months.  I see there is already
>>> some serious contention with Atmel employees.
>>>
>>> http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1329412
>>>
>>> I wonder what it will be like for the sales force to be selling PICs,
>>> AVRs and ARMs all into much of the same market space?  I wonder if the
>>> PIC32 will finally bite the dust with ARMs all around it crowding it out
>>> of the market?  Or maybe the dsPIC will go away?
>>>
>>
>> I was a fan of Atmel AVRs and SAM D2x with all the ecosystem (Atmel
>> Studio 7, Atmel Software Framework, free compilers, ...).
>>
>> However I think Microchip purchased Atmel to kill it.  Atmel online
>> support doesn't work anymore.  Atmel MCU prices seem increasing.
>>
>> Too bad, I think I'll switch to ST and/or NXP.
>
> Whose online support *does* work?

Before Atmel was bought from Microchip, I contacted directly Atmel 
support (through my Atmel section of their website, "Open a support 
case") and some guys helped me.  The answers arrived about after 2-3 
working days.

Now it seems the Atmel support can't be contacted anymore.

> I can't run synthesis in the latest
> update of the Lattice tools and support can't even seem to understand a
> simple question of "what does error code 3 mean"?
>

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#24701

Fromkrw@attt.bizz
Date2016-07-25 20:11 -0400
Message-ID<5gadpb1lvhnrpbqnlcq6l9ro7317qmmmlq@4ax.com>
In reply to#24690
On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 09:10:34 +0200, pozz <pozzugno@gmail.com> wrote:

>Il 22/07/2016 18:14, rickman ha scritto:
>> On 7/22/2016 11:46 AM, pozz wrote:
>>> Il 29/06/2016 00:55, rickman ha scritto:
>>>> Not sure how I missed this one for two months.  I see there is already
>>>> some serious contention with Atmel employees.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1329412
>>>>
>>>> I wonder what it will be like for the sales force to be selling PICs,
>>>> AVRs and ARMs all into much of the same market space?  I wonder if the
>>>> PIC32 will finally bite the dust with ARMs all around it crowding it out
>>>> of the market?  Or maybe the dsPIC will go away?
>>>>
>>>
>>> I was a fan of Atmel AVRs and SAM D2x with all the ecosystem (Atmel
>>> Studio 7, Atmel Software Framework, free compilers, ...).
>>>
>>> However I think Microchip purchased Atmel to kill it.  Atmel online
>>> support doesn't work anymore.  Atmel MCU prices seem increasing.
>>>
>>> Too bad, I think I'll switch to ST and/or NXP.
>>
>> Whose online support *does* work?
>
>Before Atmel was bought from Microchip, I contacted directly Atmel 
>support (through my Atmel section of their website, "Open a support 
>case") and some guys helped me.  The answers arrived about after 2-3 
>working days.

I assume you "bought _by_".
>
>Now it seems the Atmel support can't be contacted anymore.

That's to be expected in such an upheaval.  MicroChip support has been
far better than Atmel though, as a large (and bleading edge) customer
I could get hold of someone in Atmel anytime I needed it (not always a
"good" answer).

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#24689

Fromkrw@attt.bizz
Date2016-07-22 23:01 -0400
Message-ID<r6n5pb1qb6e69gptnlp7q7rctjnfllkhj2@4ax.com>
In reply to#24687
On Fri, 22 Jul 2016 17:46:56 +0200, pozz <pozzugno@gmail.com> wrote:

>Il 29/06/2016 00:55, rickman ha scritto:
>> Not sure how I missed this one for two months.  I see there is already
>> some serious contention with Atmel employees.
>>
>> http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1329412
>>
>> I wonder what it will be like for the sales force to be selling PICs,
>> AVRs and ARMs all into much of the same market space?  I wonder if the
>> PIC32 will finally bite the dust with ARMs all around it crowding it out
>> of the market?  Or maybe the dsPIC will go away?
>>
>
>I was a fan of Atmel AVRs and SAM D2x with all the ecosystem (Atmel 
>Studio 7, Atmel Software Framework, free compilers, ...).

The AVR architecture isn't all that great and the framework is
somewhat less great.  AVR peripherals are quite nice, though.

>However I think Microchip purchased Atmel to kill it.  Atmel online 
>support doesn't work anymore.  Atmel MCU prices seem increasing.

"It" meaning Atmel?  Nope.  Meaning "AVR", perhaps (to probably).  THe
larger PICs are dead, IMO.  A bit late.  Though MicroChip is smart
enough to make money where there is money to be made.
>
>Too bad, I think I'll switch to ST and/or NXP.

To spite your face?

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#24691

Frompozz <pozzugno@gmail.com>
Date2016-07-25 09:15 +0200
Message-ID<nn4eat$n1f$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#24689
Il 23/07/2016 05:01, krw@attt.bizz ha scritto:
> On Fri, 22 Jul 2016 17:46:56 +0200, pozz <pozzugno@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Il 29/06/2016 00:55, rickman ha scritto:
>>> Not sure how I missed this one for two months.  I see there is already
>>> some serious contention with Atmel employees.
>>>
>>> http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1329412
>>>
>>> I wonder what it will be like for the sales force to be selling PICs,
>>> AVRs and ARMs all into much of the same market space?  I wonder if the
>>> PIC32 will finally bite the dust with ARMs all around it crowding it out
>>> of the market?  Or maybe the dsPIC will go away?
>>>
>>
>> I was a fan of Atmel AVRs and SAM D2x with all the ecosystem (Atmel
>> Studio 7, Atmel Software Framework, free compilers, ...).
>
> The AVR architecture isn't all that great

I worked with PIC and AVR and IMHO AVR is much better.


> and the framework is
> somewhat less great.

They aren't so great, but usable.  Anyway you can use gcc compiler (with 
avr-libc) with your preferred tool.


> AVR peripherals are quite nice, though.
>
>> However I think Microchip purchased Atmel to kill it.  Atmel online
>> support doesn't work anymore.  Atmel MCU prices seem increasing.
>
> "It" meaning Atmel?

Yes.


> Nope.  Meaning "AVR", perhaps (to probably).

Microchip will kill AVR and many things related to Atmel: free gcc 
compilers and tools, low cost debugger/programmers, mainly low cost devices.


> THe
> larger PICs are dead, IMO.  A bit late.  Though MicroChip is smart
> enough to make money where there is money to be made.
>>
>> Too bad, I think I'll switch to ST and/or NXP.
>
> To spite your face?

I don't like Microchip support, tools, technical supporto, sales 
approach. Nothing.

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#24694

FromGrant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid>
Date2016-07-25 14:06 +0000
Message-ID<nn56ct$jti$1@reader2.panix.com>
In reply to#24691
On 2016-07-25, pozz <pozzugno@gmail.com> wrote:
> Il 23/07/2016 05:01, krw@attt.bizz ha scritto:

>> The AVR architecture isn't all that great
>
> I worked with PIC and AVR and IMHO AVR is much better.

Talk about damning with faint praise...

-- 
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                                  at               pulling in a TROUT!  Am I
                              gmail.com            doing it correctly??

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#24697

FromPaul <paul@pcserviceselectronics.co.uk>
Date2016-07-25 23:54 +0100
Message-ID<MPG.3200a8f750a1f026989805@172.16.0.1>
In reply to#24694
In article <nn56ct$jti$1@reader2.panix.com>, invalid@invalid.invalid 
says...
> 
> On 2016-07-25, pozz <pozzugno@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Il 23/07/2016 05:01, krw@attt.bizz ha scritto:
> 
> >> The AVR architecture isn't all that great
> >
> > I worked with PIC and AVR and IMHO AVR is much better.
> 
> Talk about damning with faint praise...


Me thinks, you resemble this to the which is better Cyanide or 
Arsenic...


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#24698

FromGrant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid>
Date2016-07-25 23:18 +0000
Message-ID<nn66ok$osb$1@reader2.panix.com>
In reply to#24697
On 2016-07-25, Paul <paul@pcserviceselectronics.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <nn56ct$jti$1@reader2.panix.com>, invalid@invalid.invalid 
> says...
>> 
>> On 2016-07-25, pozz <pozzugno@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Il 23/07/2016 05:01, krw@attt.bizz ha scritto:
>> 
>> >> The AVR architecture isn't all that great
>> >
>> > I worked with PIC and AVR and IMHO AVR is much better.
>> 
>> Talk about damning with faint praise...
>
> Me thinks, you resemble this to the which is better Cyanide or 
> Arsenic...

Actually, I don't think AVR is all that bad.  The lack of 16 bit
operations is a PITA, but the gcc port is well done. Maybe the
compilers for PIC have improved (yikes, it's been 10 years since I
compated AVR and PIC), but the PIC compilers used to be dreadful.

I just struck me that saying something is better than PIC is like
saying somerthing is "more fun than passing a kidney stone".

The yardstick these days for small/cheap MCUs is probably Cortex-M0 --
or even the venerable MSP430.

-- 
Grant


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#24700

Fromrickman <gnuarm@gmail.com>
Date2016-07-25 19:44 -0400
Message-ID<nn688h$vh8$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#24698
On 7/25/2016 7:18 PM, Grant Edwards wrote:
>
> I just struck me that saying something is better than PIC is like
> saying somerthing is "more fun than passing a kidney stone".

There are times when listening to a boring friend I wish I would get a 
kidney stone...  You never half to apologize when you are passing a 
kidney stone.

-- 

Rick C

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#25593

Fromalbert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst)
Date2016-12-16 17:58 +0100
Message-ID<o316gj$ac4$1@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl>
In reply to#24697
In article <MPG.3200a8f750a1f026989805@172.16.0.1>,
Paul  <paul@pcserviceselectronics.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <nn56ct$jti$1@reader2.panix.com>, invalid@invalid.invalid
>says...
>>
>> On 2016-07-25, pozz <pozzugno@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Il 23/07/2016 05:01, krw@attt.bizz ha scritto:
>>
>> >> The AVR architecture isn't all that great
>> >
>> > I worked with PIC and AVR and IMHO AVR is much better.
>>
>> Talk about damning with faint praise...
>
>
>Me thinks, you resemble this to the which is better Cyanide or
>Arsenic...

Cyanide is much better.

The Nazi leaders and their children died within minutes with cyanide.
For a description of the suffering involved in arsenic see Madame
Bovary, Flaubert.

Also recovering from small quantities of cyanide is total
or unnecessary, as it is present in quite some food.
Small doses of arsenic accumulate and permanently affect
your health.

So what is your point?

>Paul Carpenter          | paul@pcserviceselectronics.co.uk
Groetjes Albert
-- 
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Economic growth -- being exponential -- ultimately falters.
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#25595

FromGeorge Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net>
Date2016-12-16 17:28 -0500
Message-ID<v9q85chdag4oui233ju32lu68afv8jn4m1@4ax.com>
In reply to#25593
On Fri, 16 Dec 2016 17:58:59 +0100 (CET),
albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) wrote:

>Also recovering from small quantities of cyanide is total
>or unnecessary, as it is present in quite some food.
>Small doses of arsenic accumulate and permanently affect
>your health.

Cyanides come in both organic and inorganic forms.  The inorganic
forms are deadly.  In the small quantities typically  found in foods,
the body can eliminate the organic forms.  

George

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#24702

Fromkrw@attt.bizz
Date2016-07-25 20:22 -0400
Message-ID<fmadpbhicfhs2egfbjm7brqasskgoh5n48@4ax.com>
In reply to#24691
On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 09:15:41 +0200, pozz <pozzugno@gmail.com> wrote:

>Il 23/07/2016 05:01, krw@attt.bizz ha scritto:
>> On Fri, 22 Jul 2016 17:46:56 +0200, pozz <pozzugno@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Il 29/06/2016 00:55, rickman ha scritto:
>>>> Not sure how I missed this one for two months.  I see there is already
>>>> some serious contention with Atmel employees.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1329412
>>>>
>>>> I wonder what it will be like for the sales force to be selling PICs,
>>>> AVRs and ARMs all into much of the same market space?  I wonder if the
>>>> PIC32 will finally bite the dust with ARMs all around it crowding it out
>>>> of the market?  Or maybe the dsPIC will go away?
>>>>
>>>
>>> I was a fan of Atmel AVRs and SAM D2x with all the ecosystem (Atmel
>>> Studio 7, Atmel Software Framework, free compilers, ...).
>>
>> The AVR architecture isn't all that great
>
>I worked with PIC and AVR and IMHO AVR is much better.

Perhaps but AVR has no reason for being.  Any new customer has to have
their head examined.

>> and the framework is
>> somewhat less great.
>
>They aren't so great, but usable.  Anyway you can use gcc compiler (with 
>avr-libc) with your preferred tool.

...except for all the bugs and incompatibilities in the new releases.
I think they use Xilinx' software development group.  ;-)
>
>> AVR peripherals are quite nice, though.
>>
>>> However I think Microchip purchased Atmel to kill it.  Atmel online
>>> support doesn't work anymore.  Atmel MCU prices seem increasing.
>>
>> "It" meaning Atmel?
>
>Yes.
>
>
>> Nope.  Meaning "AVR", perhaps (to probably).
>
>Microchip will kill AVR and many things related to Atmel: free gcc 
>compilers and tools, low cost debugger/programmers, mainly low cost devices.

I don't see any of the above to be true.  Well, the AVR part probably
is.  It's superfluous.  I don't see them forcing expensive tools down
the throats of 8-bit micro developers.  
>
>> THe
>> larger PICs are dead, IMO.  A bit late.  Though MicroChip is smart
>> enough to make money where there is money to be made.
>>>
>>> Too bad, I think I'll switch to ST and/or NXP.
>>
>> To spite your face?
>
>I don't like Microchip support, tools, technical supporto, sales 
>approach. Nothing.

I'm exactly the opposite.  I like their support better and the company
is run *far* better.  Atmel dropped the ball several times on their
ARM M7 rollout. I think MicroChip will listen to our needs better,
too.
  

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#24704

Fromrickman <gnuarm@gmail.com>
Date2016-07-25 22:43 -0400
Message-ID<nn6io4$o51$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#24702
On 7/25/2016 8:22 PM, krw@attt.bizz wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 09:15:41 +0200, pozz <pozzugno@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Il 23/07/2016 05:01, krw@attt.bizz ha scritto:
>>> On Fri, 22 Jul 2016 17:46:56 +0200, pozz <pozzugno@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Il 29/06/2016 00:55, rickman ha scritto:
>>>>> Not sure how I missed this one for two months.  I see there is already
>>>>> some serious contention with Atmel employees.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1329412
>>>>>
>>>>> I wonder what it will be like for the sales force to be selling PICs,
>>>>> AVRs and ARMs all into much of the same market space?  I wonder if the
>>>>> PIC32 will finally bite the dust with ARMs all around it crowding it out
>>>>> of the market?  Or maybe the dsPIC will go away?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I was a fan of Atmel AVRs and SAM D2x with all the ecosystem (Atmel
>>>> Studio 7, Atmel Software Framework, free compilers, ...).
>>>
>>> The AVR architecture isn't all that great
>>
>> I worked with PIC and AVR and IMHO AVR is much better.
>
> Perhaps but AVR has no reason for being.  Any new customer has to have
> their head examined.

Can you explain that?

-- 

Rick C

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#24724

Fromkrw@attt.bizz
Date2016-07-26 20:12 -0400
Message-ID<evufpb1mfs4lah99fqstpqit8bljs62r8b@4ax.com>
In reply to#24704
On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 22:43:16 -0400, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 7/25/2016 8:22 PM, krw@attt.bizz wrote:
>> On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 09:15:41 +0200, pozz <pozzugno@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Il 23/07/2016 05:01, krw@attt.bizz ha scritto:
>>>> On Fri, 22 Jul 2016 17:46:56 +0200, pozz <pozzugno@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Il 29/06/2016 00:55, rickman ha scritto:
>>>>>> Not sure how I missed this one for two months.  I see there is already
>>>>>> some serious contention with Atmel employees.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1329412
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wonder what it will be like for the sales force to be selling PICs,
>>>>>> AVRs and ARMs all into much of the same market space?  I wonder if the
>>>>>> PIC32 will finally bite the dust with ARMs all around it crowding it out
>>>>>> of the market?  Or maybe the dsPIC will go away?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I was a fan of Atmel AVRs and SAM D2x with all the ecosystem (Atmel
>>>>> Studio 7, Atmel Software Framework, free compilers, ...).
>>>>
>>>> The AVR architecture isn't all that great
>>>
>>> I worked with PIC and AVR and IMHO AVR is much better.
>>
>> Perhaps but AVR has no reason for being.  Any new customer has to have
>> their head examined.
>
>Can you explain that?

Sure.  There are better alternatives.

New information:  Microchip is significantly increasing AVR
development.  Go figure.

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#24727

FromPaul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid>
Date2016-07-26 21:30 -0700
Message-ID<874m7baej5.fsf@jester.gateway.pace.com>
In reply to#24724
krw@attt.bizz writes:
>>Can you explain that?
> Sure.  There are better alternatives.

That's not a very informative answer.  Concrete suggestions would be
helpful. ;-)

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#24736

Fromkrw@attt.bizz
Date2016-07-27 19:46 -0400
Message-ID<uuhipbh6ed5uk1t94fhg01ecfdnt991d15@4ax.com>
In reply to#24727
On Tue, 26 Jul 2016 21:30:38 -0700, Paul Rubin
<no.email@nospam.invalid> wrote:

>krw@attt.bizz writes:
>>>Can you explain that?
>> Sure.  There are better alternatives.
>
>That's not a very informative answer.  Concrete suggestions would be
>helpful. ;-)

If you can't find them, you need your head examined.  ;-)

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