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  4G embedded router pozz <pozzugno@gmail.com> - 2019-10-08 11:10 +0200
    Re: 4G embedded router Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2019-10-08 13:24 +0300
      Re: 4G embedded router pozz <pozzugno@gmail.com> - 2019-10-08 12:44 +0200
        Re: 4G embedded router Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2019-10-09 15:30 +0100
        Re: 4G embedded router "A.P.Richelieu" <aprichelieu@gmail.com> - 2019-10-10 00:49 +0200
          Re: 4G embedded router pozz <pozzugno@gmail.com> - 2019-10-11 10:32 +0200
    Re: 4G embedded router pippo2@disney.com (Jack) - 2019-10-17 06:43 +0200
      Re: 4G embedded router pozz <pozzugno@gmail.com> - 2019-10-17 09:41 +0200
    Re: 4G embedded router Mikko OH2HVJ <mikko.syrjalahti@nospam.fi> - 2019-10-17 20:15 +0300

#28909 — 4G embedded router

I have a device with an Ethernet connection that the user usually 
connects to ADSL router.

I'd like to offert a 4G connectivity too. I could replace the Ethernet 
adapter board with a 4G adapter board, but the effort is too high for us.

So I'm thinking to use a 4G router, that is similar to ADSL router, but 
has a 4G modem instead of ADSL model. There are many products available 
on the market.

However I'd like to embed a 4G router in my product for many reasons: 
better customer impression and the possibility to supply the router when 
the mains is absent (my product has an internal battery as a secondary 
power source).

So I'm searching for a small embeddable board that features a SIM 
holder, a 4G modem and 1 or 2 Ethernet ports. I will connect my Ethernet 
board to this 4G router.
Do you know of something similar?

How difficult is to design this?

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#28910

On 10/8/2019 12:10, pozz wrote:
> I have a device with an Ethernet connection that the user usually 
> connects to ADSL router.
> 
> I'd like to offert a 4G connectivity too. I could replace the Ethernet 
> adapter board with a 4G adapter board, but the effort is too high for us.
> 
> So I'm thinking to use a 4G router, that is similar to ADSL router, but 
> has a 4G modem instead of ADSL model. There are many products available 
> on the market.
> 
> However I'd like to embed a 4G router in my product for many reasons: 
> better customer impression and the possibility to supply the router when 
> the mains is absent (my product has an internal battery as a secondary 
> power source).
> 
> So I'm searching for a small embeddable board that features a SIM 
> holder, a 4G modem and 1 or 2 Ethernet ports. I will connect my Ethernet 
> board to this 4G router.
> Do you know of something similar?
> 
> How difficult is to design this?

Be glad if you find one which will allow you to do PPP... Good luck.

Dimiter

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#28911

Il 08/10/2019 12:24, Dimiter_Popoff ha scritto:
> On 10/8/2019 12:10, pozz wrote:
>> I have a device with an Ethernet connection that the user usually 
>> connects to ADSL router.
>>
>> I'd like to offert a 4G connectivity too. I could replace the Ethernet 
>> adapter board with a 4G adapter board, but the effort is too high for us.
>>
>> So I'm thinking to use a 4G router, that is similar to ADSL router, 
>> but has a 4G modem instead of ADSL model. There are many products 
>> available on the market.
>>
>> However I'd like to embed a 4G router in my product for many reasons: 
>> better customer impression and the possibility to supply the router 
>> when the mains is absent (my product has an internal battery as a 
>> secondary power source).
>>
>> So I'm searching for a small embeddable board that features a SIM 
>> holder, a 4G modem and 1 or 2 Ethernet ports. I will connect my 
>> Ethernet board to this 4G router.
>> Do you know of something similar?
>>
>> How difficult is to design this?
> 
> Be glad if you find one which will allow you to do PPP... Good luck.

No, I'm searching a board with a "full" router OS that features a DHCP 
server (so my Ethernet board receive automagically an IP address) and 
will route all incoming packets from 4G connection to the Ethernet port 
and viceversa.

The router OS should try to keep the 4G connection active all the time 
with the mobile operator.

The goal is to avoid changing the firmware on my Ethernet board.

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#28912

pozz <pozzugno@gmail.com> wrote:
> No, I'm searching a board with a "full" router OS that features a DHCP 
> server (so my Ethernet board receive automagically an IP address) and 
> will route all incoming packets from 4G connection to the Ethernet port 
> and viceversa.
> 
> The router OS should try to keep the 4G connection active all the time 
> with the mobile operator.
> 
> The goal is to avoid changing the firmware on my Ethernet board.

You mean you want a '4G router', for instance:
https://www.tp-link.com/uk/home-networking/3g-4g-router/tl-mr3020/
(add your own USB 4G stick)
https://consumer.huawei.com/eg-en/support/smart-home/lte-router/
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32840062592.html

or are you constrained by needing a bare board (standard mount points, etc)?
Then things like:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32974887615.html
if you're feeling brave.

Theo

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#28913

Den 2019-10-08 kl. 12:44, skrev pozz:
> Il 08/10/2019 12:24, Dimiter_Popoff ha scritto:
>> On 10/8/2019 12:10, pozz wrote:
>>> I have a device with an Ethernet connection that the user usually 
>>> connects to ADSL router.
>>>
>>> I'd like to offert a 4G connectivity too. I could replace the 
>>> Ethernet adapter board with a 4G adapter board, but the effort is too 
>>> high for us.
>>>
>>> So I'm thinking to use a 4G router, that is similar to ADSL router, 
>>> but has a 4G modem instead of ADSL model. There are many products 
>>> available on the market.
>>>
>>> However I'd like to embed a 4G router in my product for many reasons: 
>>> better customer impression and the possibility to supply the router 
>>> when the mains is absent (my product has an internal battery as a 
>>> secondary power source).
>>>
>>> So I'm searching for a small embeddable board that features a SIM 
>>> holder, a 4G modem and 1 or 2 Ethernet ports. I will connect my 
>>> Ethernet board to this 4G router.
>>> Do you know of something similar?
>>>
>>> How difficult is to design this?
>>
>> Be glad if you find one which will allow you to do PPP... Good luck.
> 
> No, I'm searching a board with a "full" router OS that features a DHCP 
> server (so my Ethernet board receive automagically an IP address) and 
> will route all incoming packets from 4G connection to the Ethernet port 
> and viceversa.
> 
> The router OS should try to keep the 4G connection active all the time 
> with the mobile operator.
> 
> The goal is to avoid changing the firmware on my Ethernet board.


Check out
https://www.digi.com/products/networking/cellular-routers/industrial

Not a board, but a box which looks promising.

/AP

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#28914

Il 10/10/2019 00:49, A.P.Richelieu ha scritto:
> Den 2019-10-08 kl. 12:44, skrev pozz:
>> Il 08/10/2019 12:24, Dimiter_Popoff ha scritto:
>>> On 10/8/2019 12:10, pozz wrote:
>>>> I have a device with an Ethernet connection that the user usually 
>>>> connects to ADSL router.
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to offert a 4G connectivity too. I could replace the 
>>>> Ethernet adapter board with a 4G adapter board, but the effort is 
>>>> too high for us.
>>>>
>>>> So I'm thinking to use a 4G router, that is similar to ADSL router, 
>>>> but has a 4G modem instead of ADSL model. There are many products 
>>>> available on the market.
>>>>
>>>> However I'd like to embed a 4G router in my product for many 
>>>> reasons: better customer impression and the possibility to supply 
>>>> the router when the mains is absent (my product has an internal 
>>>> battery as a secondary power source).
>>>>
>>>> So I'm searching for a small embeddable board that features a SIM 
>>>> holder, a 4G modem and 1 or 2 Ethernet ports. I will connect my 
>>>> Ethernet board to this 4G router.
>>>> Do you know of something similar?
>>>>
>>>> How difficult is to design this?
>>>
>>> Be glad if you find one which will allow you to do PPP... Good luck.
>>
>> No, I'm searching a board with a "full" router OS that features a DHCP 
>> server (so my Ethernet board receive automagically an IP address) and 
>> will route all incoming packets from 4G connection to the Ethernet 
>> port and viceversa.
>>
>> The router OS should try to keep the 4G connection active all the time 
>> with the mobile operator.
>>
>> The goal is to avoid changing the firmware on my Ethernet board.
> 
> 
> Check out
> https://www.digi.com/products/networking/cellular-routers/industrial
> 
> Not a board, but a box which looks promising.

Yes, it could be good. Unfortunately the power supply seems only 5Vdc

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#28915

pozz <pozzugno@gmail.com> wrote:

> I have a device with an Ethernet connection that the user usually 
> connects to ADSL router.
> 
> I'd like to offert a 4G connectivity too. I could replace the Ethernet
> adapter board with a 4G adapter board, but the effort is too high for us.
> 
> So I'm thinking to use a 4G router, that is similar to ADSL router, but
> has a 4G modem instead of ADSL model. There are many products available
> on the market.
> 
> However I'd like to embed a 4G router in my product for many reasons:
> better customer impression and the possibility to supply the router when
> the mains is absent (my product has an internal battery as a secondary
> power source).
> 
> So I'm searching for a small embeddable board that features a SIM 
> holder, a 4G modem and 1 or 2 Ethernet ports. I will connect my Ethernet
> board to this 4G router.
> Do you know of something similar?
> 
> How difficult is to design this?

something like this?
https://www.pcengines.ch/apu3c2.htm

bye Jack
-- 
Yoda of Borg am I! Assimilated shall you be! Futile resistance is, hmm?

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#28916

Il 17/10/2019 06:43, Jack ha scritto:
> pozz <pozzugno@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I have a device with an Ethernet connection that the user usually
>> connects to ADSL router.
>>
>> I'd like to offert a 4G connectivity too. I could replace the Ethernet
>> adapter board with a 4G adapter board, but the effort is too high for us.
>>
>> So I'm thinking to use a 4G router, that is similar to ADSL router, but
>> has a 4G modem instead of ADSL model. There are many products available
>> on the market.
>>
>> However I'd like to embed a 4G router in my product for many reasons:
>> better customer impression and the possibility to supply the router when
>> the mains is absent (my product has an internal battery as a secondary
>> power source).
>>
>> So I'm searching for a small embeddable board that features a SIM
>> holder, a 4G modem and 1 or 2 Ethernet ports. I will connect my Ethernet
>> board to this 4G router.
>> Do you know of something similar?
>>
>> How difficult is to design this?
> 
> something like this?
> https://www.pcengines.ch/apu3c2.htm

Thanks for suggestions, but I was searching something much smaller.

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#28917

pozz <pozzugno@gmail.com> writes:

> I have a device with an Ethernet connection that the user usually
> connects to ADSL router.
...
> So I'm searching for a small embeddable board that features a SIM
> holder, a 4G modem and 1 or 2 Ethernet ports. I will connect my
> Ethernet board to this 4G router.
> Do you know of something similar?

I've used Teltonika routers in many projects, they've also got them as boards:
https://teltonika-networks.com/de/about-us/trb145-trb140/


--
mikko

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