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Small, fast, resource-rich processor

Started byTim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really>
First post2013-09-11 11:11 -0500
Last post2013-09-11 22:19 -0400
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  Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-09-11 11:11 -0500
    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Rich Webb <webb.ra@example.net> - 2013-09-11 12:45 -0400
      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Frank Miles <fpm@u.washington.edu> - 2013-09-11 16:59 +0000
    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-09-11 10:08 -0700
      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-09-11 12:27 -0500
        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-09-11 11:23 -0700
          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-09-11 11:32 -0700
        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-09-11 11:30 -0700
    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-09-11 18:26 +0000
      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-09-11 13:37 -0500
        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david.brown@removethis.hesbynett.no> - 2013-09-11 21:51 +0200
          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-09-11 16:46 -0400
            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2013-09-12 14:00 +0200
            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Anders.Montonen@kapsi.spam.stop.fi.invalid - 2013-09-14 10:24 +0000
        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-15 02:38 -0400
          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-15 01:52 -0700
            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-15 12:33 -0400
              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-09-15 13:02 -0500
                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-15 14:33 -0400
                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor robert bristow-johnson <rbj@audioimagination.com> - 2013-09-15 12:09 -0700
                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david.brown@removethis.hesbynett.no> - 2013-09-15 22:12 +0200
                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-15 16:32 -0400
                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2013-09-16 09:17 +0200
                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-16 10:21 +0100
                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-16 13:53 -0400
                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-09-17 07:31 +0000
                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-17 04:46 -0400
                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor robert bristow-johnson <rbj@audioimagination.com> - 2013-09-17 10:46 -0700
                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-09-17 22:30 -0400
                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-17 22:43 -0700
                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor gtwrek@sonic.net (Mark Curry) - 2013-09-18 14:35 +0000
                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor upsidedown@downunder.com - 2013-09-18 18:41 +0300
                                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-18 09:12 -0700
                                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-09-19 07:57 +0000
                                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-19 22:22 -0700
                                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-09-20 05:44 +0000
                                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-20 00:05 -0700
                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-09-20 14:18 +0000
                                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor upsidedown@downunder.com - 2013-09-20 16:24 +0300
                                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-20 08:31 +0100
                                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-09-20 12:43 -0500
                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-20 20:29 +0100
                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor gtwrek@sonic.net (Mark Curry) - 2013-09-20 21:39 +0000
                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-20 15:27 -0700
                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-20 23:52 +0100
                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-20 18:52 -0700
                                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-09-20 19:38 -0700
                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-24 01:20 -0700
                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-24 01:22 -0700
                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2013-09-24 03:33 -0500
                                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-24 21:17 -0400
                                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-22 10:56 -0700
                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-22 20:08 +0100
                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-22 12:21 -0700
                                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-23 00:12 +0100
                                                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-22 16:50 -0700
                                                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-23 09:12 +0100
                                                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-23 06:49 -0700
                                                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-09-23 16:31 -0700
                                                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-24 01:13 -0700
                                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-09-24 02:15 -0700
                                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-24 15:56 -0700
                                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2013-09-23 00:46 -0500
                                                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-22 23:18 -0700
                                                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Arlet Ottens <usenet+5@c-scape.nl> - 2013-09-23 09:00 +0200
                                                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-23 00:18 -0700
                                                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Arlet Ottens <usenet+5@c-scape.nl> - 2013-09-23 09:27 +0200
                                                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-23 06:56 -0700
                                                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2013-09-23 10:50 -0500
                                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-28 13:04 -0700
                                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor upsidedown@downunder.com - 2013-09-20 15:41 +0300
                                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-09-20 14:33 +0000
                                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor upsidedown@downunder.com - 2013-09-20 15:55 +0300
                                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-20 08:42 -0700
                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2013-09-23 09:06 +0200
                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-28 12:07 -0700
                                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david.brown@removethis.hesbynett.no> - 2013-09-29 22:15 +0200
                                                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-01 00:33 -0700
                                                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2013-10-01 10:25 +0200
                                                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-03 10:26 -0700
                                                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-10-03 19:07 +0000
                                                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Scott Hemphill <hemphill@hemphills.net> - 2013-10-03 19:17 -0400
                                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Scott Hemphill <hemphill@hemphills.net> - 2013-10-03 21:00 -0400
                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-09-18 11:29 -0500
                                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-09-18 10:20 -0700
                                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-18 21:53 -0700
                                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2013-09-19 09:48 +0200
                                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-19 09:38 +0100
                                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2013-09-19 11:24 +0200
                                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-19 10:53 +0100
                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2013-09-19 13:12 +0200
                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-19 15:31 +0100
                                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-19 15:44 +0100
                                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-19 22:53 -0700
                                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-20 08:37 +0100
                                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-30 17:48 +0100
                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-01 00:37 -0700
                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-10-01 09:14 +0100
                                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david.brown@removethis.hesbynett.no> - 2013-09-22 21:31 +0200
                                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-23 00:19 +0100
                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2013-09-23 09:23 +0200
                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-23 09:00 +0100
                                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2013-09-23 11:31 +0200
                                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-28 13:02 -0700
                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-28 22:54 +0100
                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-09-28 22:33 +0000
                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-28 22:29 -0700
                                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-29 10:01 +0100
                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david.brown@removethis.hesbynett.no> - 2013-09-29 23:02 +0200
                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-30 10:36 -0400
                                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-09-30 14:09 -0400
                                                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-01 01:27 -0400
                                                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-10-01 05:46 +0000
                                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2013-10-01 09:19 +0200
                                                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-01 03:28 -0400
                                                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2013-10-01 10:13 +0200
                                                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-01 12:39 -0400
                                                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2013-10-01 16:56 +0000
                                                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-10-01 18:59 +0000
                                                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-01 17:25 -0400
                                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-10-01 18:37 -0400
                                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-10-01 19:29 -0400
                                                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-10-01 19:31 -0400
                                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) robert bristow-johnson <rbj@audioimagination.com> - 2013-10-01 16:36 -0700
                                                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-10-01 20:51 -0400
                                                                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-10-01 21:08 -0400
                                                                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2013-10-02 09:08 +0200
                                                                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) Mel Wilson <mwilson@the-wire.com> - 2013-10-02 09:36 -0400
                                                                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2013-10-02 17:16 -0500
                                                                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) upsidedown@downunder.com - 2013-10-03 10:15 +0300
                                                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2013-10-03 02:32 -0500
                                                                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2013-10-03 15:45 +0000
                                                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-03 09:06 -0700
                                                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-10-03 17:18 +0100
                                                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2013-10-03 16:51 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-03 10:11 -0700
                                                                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-10-02 09:52 -0400
                                                                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2013-10-03 09:35 +0200
                                                                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2013-10-03 03:26 -0500
                                                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2013-10-03 13:27 +0200
                                                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-10-03 12:55 -0400
                                                                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2013-10-04 16:59 +0200
                                                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-10-02 01:02 +0000
                                                                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) "Boudewijn Dijkstra" <sp4mtr4p.boudewijn@indes.com> - 2013-10-03 16:28 +0200
                                                                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-10-03 08:03 -0700
                                                                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-10-03 19:15 +0000
                                                                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-10-03 15:50 -0400
                                                                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-10-03 15:27 -0500
                                                                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-10-03 16:37 -0400
                                                                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-10-03 21:51 +0000
                                                                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2013-10-04 00:02 -0500
                                                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-10-02 00:12 -0500
                                                                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) robert bristow-johnson <rbj@audioimagination.com> - 2013-10-03 10:24 -0700
                                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-10-02 00:13 -0500
                                                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-10-02 06:51 +0000
                                                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-10-02 09:55 -0400
                                                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-10-02 09:58 -0400
                                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 03:12 -0400
                                                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-10-02 09:49 -0400
                                                                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 12:04 -0400
                                                                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-10-02 12:51 -0400
                                                                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-10-02 15:18 -0400
                                                                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 19:46 -0400
                                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-10-01 23:09 +0000
                                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-19 03:53 -0400
                                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-19 01:45 -0700
                                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-19 04:34 -0400
                                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-19 02:17 -0700
                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor gtwrek@sonic.net (Mark Curry) - 2013-09-19 16:49 +0000
                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-09-19 17:05 +0000
                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-19 13:08 -0700
                                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-09-19 20:22 +0000
                                                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-19 14:42 -0700
                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-20 00:34 -0400
                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-19 22:15 -0700
                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-20 08:43 +0100
                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-19 22:16 -0700
                                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-09-19 12:28 -0500
                                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-09-19 15:08 -0400
                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-18 12:52 -0400
                                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor robert bristow-johnson <rbj@audioimagination.com> - 2013-09-18 10:23 -0700
                                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-09-19 08:03 +0000
                                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor robert bristow-johnson <rbj@audioimagination.com> - 2013-09-19 12:53 -0700
                                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-18 21:31 -0700
                                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-19 04:18 -0400
                                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-19 02:02 -0700
                                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-09-19 16:47 +0000
                                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor j.m.granville@gmail.com - 2013-09-24 19:54 -0700
                                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-25 19:12 +0100
                                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-25 11:50 -0700
                                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-26 01:26 -0400
                                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-26 09:11 +0100
                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-09-26 02:12 -0700
                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-26 13:46 +0100
                                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-26 09:55 -0700
                                                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-26 18:44 +0100
                                                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-26 12:31 -0700
                                                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-26 23:09 +0100
                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-26 08:45 -0400
                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-09-19 07:44 +0000
                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-19 03:58 -0400
                                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-19 09:45 +0100
                                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-09-19 16:50 +0000
                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-09-19 07:31 +0000
                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-09-17 11:30 -0500
                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor gtwrek@sonic.net (Mark Curry) - 2013-09-17 21:11 +0000
                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-18 13:11 -0400
                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2013-09-17 11:42 +0200
                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Al Clark <aclark@danvillesignal.com> - 2013-09-17 14:06 +0000
                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2013-09-17 16:44 +0200
                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-09-17 11:43 -0500
                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-17 13:22 -0400
                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2013-09-18 17:17 +0200
                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-18 16:46 +0100
                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-18 09:16 -0700
                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-18 14:13 -0400
                                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-18 20:00 +0100
                                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2013-09-18 19:56 -0500
                                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-19 09:56 +0100
                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-18 14:01 -0400
                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-18 12:35 -0700
                                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2013-09-18 23:28 +0200
                                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-09-18 16:39 -0500
                                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-18 17:26 -0700
                                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-09-18 17:56 -0700
                                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-22 17:53 -0700
                                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-23 01:00 -0400
                                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-23 00:15 -0700
                                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-09-23 11:31 -0500
                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-23 21:15 -0400
                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-09-23 22:41 -0400
                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-24 02:57 -0400
                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-23 18:42 -0700
                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-09-23 21:16 -0500
                                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-23 20:31 -0700
                                                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-09-24 12:01 -0500
                                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-19 03:14 -0400
                                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-19 00:53 -0700
                                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2013-09-19 09:58 +0200
                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-09-18 16:43 -0500
                                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-19 03:21 -0400
                                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-19 00:54 -0700
                                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-09-19 08:25 +0000
                                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-26 09:03 -0400
                                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-26 06:47 -0700
                                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-26 09:46 -0400
                                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-26 10:06 -0700
                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-26 13:45 -0400
                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-26 23:54 -0700
                                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-29 08:31 -0400
                                                      Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2013-09-29 23:37 +0000
                                                        Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-30 01:16 +0100
                                                          Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-09-29 22:31 -0700
                                                            Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-30 10:06 +0100
                                                            Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-30 11:12 -0400
                                                              Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-09-30 09:24 -0700
                                                                Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-01 01:33 -0400
                                                                  Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-09-30 22:48 -0700
                                                                    Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-01 03:04 -0400
                                                                      Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-10-01 00:27 -0700
                                                                        Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-01 03:32 -0400
                                                          Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2013-09-30 11:37 +0000
                                                            Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-30 13:40 +0100
                                                              Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-30 11:43 -0400
                                                                Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-30 17:07 +0100
                                                            Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-30 11:38 -0400
                                                              Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2013-09-30 18:57 +0000
                                                                Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-30 12:36 -0700
                                                                  Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor jhallen@TheWorld.com (Joseph H Allen) - 2013-09-30 20:15 +0000
                                                                    Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2013-09-30 20:38 +0000
                                                                      Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-01 02:55 -0400
                                                                        Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2013-10-01 11:50 +0000
                                                                          Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-01 12:53 -0400
                                                                            Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2013-10-01 17:34 +0000
                                                                              Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-01 17:31 -0400
                                                                                Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2013-10-02 12:15 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 12:19 -0400
                                                                                    Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2013-10-03 11:55 +0000
                                                                                Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-03 01:04 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-04 00:19 -0400
                                                                                    Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-03 23:07 -0700
                                                                            Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-01 20:06 -0700
                                                                              Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-10-01 22:38 -0700
                                                                              Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 03:09 -0400
                                                                                Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-02 00:51 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 03:58 -0400
                                                                                    Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-02 01:27 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 04:24 -0400
                                                                                        Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-02 01:54 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 19:51 -0400
                                                                                            Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-03 00:17 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-04 00:27 -0400
                                                                                                Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-03 23:09 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-04 09:30 -0400
                                                                                                    Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-06 10:53 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-09 05:12 -0400
                                                                                                        Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-10-09 02:24 -0700
                                                                                                          Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2013-10-09 12:05 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-10-09 08:06 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-10-04 10:01 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-04 09:38 -0400
                                                                                                    Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-10-04 15:25 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-04 10:35 -0400
                                                                                            Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-10-03 09:43 +0100
                                                                                              Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-04 00:29 -0400
                                                                                                Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-10-04 01:04 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-04 09:40 -0400
                                                                                      Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-10-02 10:21 +0100
                                                                                        Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 19:54 -0400
                                                                                          Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-10-03 09:48 +0100
                                                                                        Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-03 00:21 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-10-03 09:55 +0100
                                                                                            Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-10-03 04:45 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-10-03 13:02 +0100
                                                                                                Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-10-03 07:19 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-04 00:02 -0400
                                                                                                Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-10-04 00:55 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-04 09:45 -0400
                                                                              Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-10-02 10:06 +0100
                                                                                Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-10-02 02:24 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-10-02 10:57 +0100
                                                                                    Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-10-02 04:31 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-10-02 15:45 +0100
                                                                                        Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-10-02 08:29 -0700
                                                                                Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-03 00:47 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-10-03 09:59 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-10-03 10:09 +0100
                                                                Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-01 01:51 -0400
                                                        Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-30 10:44 -0400
                                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-09-27 01:10 -0700
                                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-29 08:36 -0400
                                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-09-29 22:06 -0700
                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-30 11:47 -0400
                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-09-30 09:14 -0700
                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2013-09-19 01:27 +0200
                                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-19 03:49 -0400
                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-15 16:40 -0400
                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor robert bristow-johnson <rbj@audioimagination.com> - 2013-09-15 14:53 -0700
                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-16 14:22 -0400
                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-15 15:12 -0700
                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor robert bristow-johnson <rbj@audioimagination.com> - 2013-09-15 14:58 -0700
                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-09-15 18:19 -0500
                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-16 14:48 -0400
                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-09-16 17:17 -0500
                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-16 18:41 -0400
                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-09-17 11:22 -0500
                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-17 15:40 -0400
                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Torfinn Ingolfsen <tingo@home.no> - 2013-09-17 18:44 +0200
                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-16 14:31 -0400
                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-09-17 07:44 +0000
                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-09-17 11:46 -0500
                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-09-19 09:21 +0000
                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-09-19 12:26 -0500
                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-09-19 20:17 +0000
                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-18 08:25 -0700
                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-18 14:16 -0400
                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-18 12:39 -0700
                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor langwadt@fonz.dk - 2013-09-18 15:18 -0700
                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-09-19 09:49 +0000
                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-09-17 07:35 +0000
              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-15 13:11 -0700
                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-15 16:26 -0400
                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-15 16:36 -0400
                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-09-17 07:49 +0000
                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-17 05:30 -0400
                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-09-19 10:00 +0000
            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor gtwrek@sonic.net (Mark Curry) - 2013-09-16 16:51 +0000
              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-16 14:54 -0400
                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor gtwrek@sonic.net (Mark Curry) - 2013-09-16 19:06 +0000
                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-16 15:22 -0400
                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Rob Gaddi <rgaddi@technologyhighland.invalid> - 2013-09-17 09:40 -0700
                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-09-17 11:48 -0500
                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-17 15:50 -0400
                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor gtwrek@sonic.net (Mark Curry) - 2013-09-17 21:03 +0000
                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-09-17 17:05 -0400
                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor gtwrek@sonic.net (Mark Curry) - 2013-09-17 21:16 +0000
                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-09-17 16:38 -0700
                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-09-17 21:33 -0400
                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2013-09-18 10:48 +0300
          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.please> - 2013-09-15 10:39 -0500
            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-15 12:39 -0400
              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-09-15 12:58 -0500
                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-15 11:33 -0700
                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-15 14:40 -0400
                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.please> - 2013-09-15 14:25 -0500
                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-15 13:35 -0700
                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor robert bristow-johnson <rbj@audioimagination.com> - 2013-09-15 12:40 -0700
                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.please> - 2013-09-15 14:57 -0500
                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor robert bristow-johnson <rbj@audioimagination.com> - 2013-09-15 13:44 -0700
                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-16 01:46 -0700
                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-16 10:26 +0100
                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-16 02:44 -0700
                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Mel Wilson <mwilson@the-wire.com> - 2013-09-16 09:01 -0400
                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-16 12:18 -0700
                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.please> - 2013-09-16 10:06 -0500
                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor robert bristow-johnson <rbj@audioimagination.com> - 2013-09-16 10:34 -0700
                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-16 12:09 -0700
                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-09-16 17:31 -0500
                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-16 12:00 -0700
                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-09-17 07:59 +0000
                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-17 10:13 +0100
                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-17 05:56 -0400
                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-17 11:37 +0100
                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-17 16:00 -0400
                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-17 21:30 +0100
                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-18 12:46 -0400
                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-18 18:00 +0100
    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-11 12:10 -0700
    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Vladimir Vassilevsky <nospam@nowhere.com> - 2013-09-11 14:30 -0500
      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-09-11 15:39 -0400
        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-09-11 15:46 -0400
          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-09-11 20:39 -0400
            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.please> - 2013-09-11 20:03 -0500
              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2013-09-12 14:09 +0200
                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-09-12 07:11 -0700
                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2013-09-12 16:34 +0200
                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-09-12 10:42 -0400
                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-09-12 12:48 -0700
                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-09-12 16:14 -0500
                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Hans-Bernhard Bröker <HBBroeker@t-online.de> - 2013-09-12 21:39 +0200
                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david.brown@removethis.hesbynett.no> - 2013-09-12 23:41 +0200
                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-09-12 16:08 -0500
                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david.brown@removethis.hesbynett.no> - 2013-09-13 01:00 +0200
                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-09-12 23:03 -0500
                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2013-09-13 08:47 +0200
    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Dave Nadler <drn@nadler.com> - 2013-09-11 15:40 -0700
    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.please> - 2013-09-11 20:05 -0500
      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-09-11 22:19 -0400

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#14125 — Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!)

FromRandy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com>
Date2013-10-03 12:55 -0400
SubjectRe: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!)
Message-ID<87a9iq9tv8.fsf@digitalsignallabs.com>
In reply to#14113
David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> writes:

> On 03/10/13 10:26, Robert Wessel wrote:
>> On Thu, 03 Oct 2013 09:35:09 +0200, David Brown
>> <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 02/10/13 15:52, Randy Yates wrote:
>>>> David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> writes:
>>>>> [...]
>>>>> int_least64_t is not required unless the compiler supports a suitable
>>>>> type.
>>>>
>>>> David,
>>>>
>>>> That's not what my copy of the C99 spec states (re: section 7.18.1.2):
>>>>
>>>>   The following types are required:
>>>>   int_least8_t
>>>>   int_least16_t
>>>>   int_least32_t
>>>>   int_least64_t
>>>>   uint_least8_t
>>>>   uint_least16_t
>>>>   uint_least32_t
>>>>   uint_least64_t
>>>>   All other types of this form are optional.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I thought int_least64_t was only required if the compiler has a "long
>>> long" of at least 64 bit, and that you could be C99 compliant without
>>> supporting anything bigger than 32-bit.  But I'm not going to argue here
>>> (that's what comp.lang.c is for!), because I don't think it makes any
>>> practical difference.
>> 
>> 
>> No, C99 requires a long long of at least 64 bits.
>> 
>
> Fair enough.  Thanks for the correction.

David,

I wouldn't have known this if I hadn't just read about it in the spec a
few hours earlier. I actually never knew about, and never have used,
these "least" types before. However, I have used the intX_t and uintX_t
types extensively for years and not being sure which were required is
what prompted me to open the spec.
-- 
Randy Yates
Digital Signal Labs
http://www.digitalsignallabs.com

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#14159 — Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!)

FromDavid Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com>
Date2013-10-04 16:59 +0200
SubjectRe: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!)
Message-ID<HuednbKFFuonStPPnZ2dnUVZ8vmdnZ2d@lyse.net>
In reply to#14125
On 03/10/13 18:55, Randy Yates wrote:
> David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> writes:
> 
>> On 03/10/13 10:26, Robert Wessel wrote:
>>> On Thu, 03 Oct 2013 09:35:09 +0200, David Brown
>>> <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 02/10/13 15:52, Randy Yates wrote:
>>>>> David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> writes:
>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>> int_least64_t is not required unless the compiler supports a suitable
>>>>>> type.
>>>>>
>>>>> David,
>>>>>
>>>>> That's not what my copy of the C99 spec states (re: section 7.18.1.2):
>>>>>
>>>>>   The following types are required:
>>>>>   int_least8_t
>>>>>   int_least16_t
>>>>>   int_least32_t
>>>>>   int_least64_t
>>>>>   uint_least8_t
>>>>>   uint_least16_t
>>>>>   uint_least32_t
>>>>>   uint_least64_t
>>>>>   All other types of this form are optional.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I thought int_least64_t was only required if the compiler has a "long
>>>> long" of at least 64 bit, and that you could be C99 compliant without
>>>> supporting anything bigger than 32-bit.  But I'm not going to argue here
>>>> (that's what comp.lang.c is for!), because I don't think it makes any
>>>> practical difference.
>>>
>>>
>>> No, C99 requires a long long of at least 64 bits.
>>>
>>
>> Fair enough.  Thanks for the correction.
> 
> David,
> 
> I wouldn't have known this if I hadn't just read about it in the spec a
> few hours earlier. I actually never knew about, and never have used,
> these "least" types before. However, I have used the intX_t and uintX_t
> types extensively for years and not being sure which were required is
> what prompted me to open the spec.
> 

At least two people have learned something in the same Usenet thread -
that's rare indeed!

The "least" types are not really very useful, unless you are writing
code that has to be portable across architectures with different minimum
data sizes (typically awkward DSP chips).  For all other modern
architectures, the "least" types are the same as the "intX_t" types.

The "fast" types are more useful (though not necessarily more /used/ -
most people stick to the fixed size types), as they will often change
between different architectures.

mvh.,

David

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#14063 — Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!)

Fromglen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu>
Date2013-10-02 01:02 +0000
SubjectRe: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!)
Message-ID<l2fram$j4s$1@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to#14060
In comp.dsp robert bristow-johnson <rbj@audioimagination.com> wrote:
> 
> with apologies to Tim, who started a nice thread.  but it's time, i 
> think, to euthanize it.
 
(snip, someone wrote)
 
>> Here is something you can do with fixed-point that you can't do
>> with floating point: perform a multiply-accumulate with 64 bits
>> of precision.
 
> that's processor specific, i think, ain't it, Randy?  i mean, a SHArC 
> can do 32x32 to 64 bits.  does that count?
 
> here's something that's not processor specific:
 
> moving sum or moving average filter implemented as the simplest 
> non-trivial TIIR (Truncated IIR filter, which is theoretically an FIR).
 
> do it in float and you'll get little turds stuck this critically-stable 
> feedback loop.  those turds accumulate, given enough time.  do it in 
> fixed and you *know* that you are subtracting exactly what you added N 
> samples prior to that.  and you know what you are adding now will 
> eventually be perfectly subtracted later.

If you truncate enough low bits before the sum, then it should 
work, but yes, if you aren't careful adding and subtracting, it
is easy to have something left over.

On many processors, it isn't so easy to truncate low bits on
a floating point value.

-- glen
 

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#14118 — Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!)

From"Boudewijn Dijkstra" <sp4mtr4p.boudewijn@indes.com>
Date2013-10-03 16:28 +0200
SubjectRe: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!)
Message-ID<op.w4duhl11j0diun@thanatos.indes.com>
In reply to#14063
Op Wed, 02 Oct 2013 03:02:15 +0200 schreef glen herrmannsfeldt  
<gah@ugcs.caltech.edu>:
> [...]
>
> On many processors, it isn't so easy to truncate low bits on
> a floating point value.

I find this hard to imagine. Can you give (many) examples?


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#14119 — Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!)

Fromdp <dp@tgi-sci.com>
Date2013-10-03 08:03 -0700
SubjectRe: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!)
Message-ID<15d66269-5ec9-4083-b2aa-e3f6fff2361c@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#14118
On Thursday, October 3, 2013 5:28:23 PM UTC+3, Boudewijn Dijkstra wrote:
> Op Wed, 02 Oct 2013 03:02:15 +0200 schreef glen herrmannsfeldt  
> <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu>:
> > [...]
> >
> > On many processors, it isn't so easy to truncate low bits on
> > a floating point value.
> 
> I find this hard to imagine. Can you give (many) examples?
> 

I can't talk about "many" but the FPU found on the power architecture
processors won't let you do that directly; you need to move the
FP register to memory, then to a general purpose register, modify,
then again to the FP register. That for anything you want to do
with the FP register which is not sort of add, mul, fmad etc. FPU
opcodes. But then one rarely wants to do that sort of thing
anyway so it is unlikely to need it in a performance
critical loop.

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#14129 — Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!)

Fromglen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu>
Date2013-10-03 19:15 +0000
SubjectRe: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!)
Message-ID<l2kfoq$jg5$1@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to#14118
In comp.dsp Boudewijn Dijkstra <sp4mtr4p.boudewijn@indes.com> wrote:
> Op Wed, 02 Oct 2013 03:02:15 +0200 schreef glen herrmannsfeldt  
> <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu>:
>> [...]

>> On many processors, it isn't so easy to truncate low bits on
>> a floating point value.
 
> I find this hard to imagine. Can you give (many) examples?

On systems without a hidden one, you can add zero with the appropriate
exponent which will shift out bits, add zero, and post normalize.
On S/360 and HFP in newer processors, you can do that if the
number of bits to keep is a multiple of four. 

Since the 8087 keeps values on the stack in its internal 80 bit 
format, and without a hidden one, it might work in that case.
It would, though, be 8087 specific.

Truncating all the fractional bits, the AINT() function in Fortran,
is a relatively common operation, and hardware might have some
support for that. 

Otherwise, you can multply by an appropriate power of two,
truncate all the fractional bits, and divide by the power of two.
Some hardware provides instructions to speed that up.

You can, of course, store the value and do all the work
using bit manipulations in fixed point.

-- glen

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#14130 — Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!)

FromRandy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com>
Date2013-10-03 15:50 -0400
SubjectRe: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!)
Message-ID<87zjqq877o.fsf@digitalsignallabs.com>
In reply to#14129
glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> writes:
> [...]
> Since the 8087 keeps values on the stack in its internal 80 bit 
> format, and without a hidden one, it might work in that case.
> It would, though, be 8087 specific.

glen,

That's one of the few references I've seen to an 8087 in the past 15
years. Do the modern Intel processors still have this device buried
somewhere deep within their core?

By the way, I can still remember the day (circa 1988) I brought home an
80287 coprocessor to complement my 80286 system and saw my 1024-point
double FFT times drop from 100 seconds to 10 seconds; I was amazed!
-- 
Randy Yates
Digital Signal Labs
http://www.digitalsignallabs.com

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#14131 — Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!)

FromTim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really>
Date2013-10-03 15:27 -0500
SubjectRe: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!)
Message-ID<kqKdnd29QdXcTtDPnZ2dnUVZ5g2dnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#14130
On Thu, 03 Oct 2013 15:50:19 -0400, Randy Yates wrote:

> glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> writes:
>> [...]
>> Since the 8087 keeps values on the stack in its internal 80 bit format,
>> and without a hidden one, it might work in that case. It would, though,
>> be 8087 specific.
> 
> glen,
> 
> That's one of the few references I've seen to an 8087 in the past 15
> years. Do the modern Intel processors still have this device buried
> somewhere deep within their core?
> 
> By the way, I can still remember the day (circa 1988) I brought home an
> 80287 coprocessor to complement my 80286 system and saw my 1024-point
> double FFT times drop from 100 seconds to 10 seconds; I was amazed!

My college senior thesis involved doing LOTS of simulations of a fairly 
complicated system (a tractor-trailer rig with three trailers).  One day 
I lost patience, got up from my computer, went to the computer store 
three towns over and bought an 8087, got back home two hours later, 
interrupted the simulation that was STILL RUNNING, and installed the 8087 
into my XP.

The simulation then completed in something under half an hour, if I 
remember correctly.

-- 

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

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#14132 — Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!)

FromRandy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com>
Date2013-10-03 16:37 -0400
SubjectRe: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!)
Message-ID<87txgy851b.fsf@digitalsignallabs.com>
In reply to#14131
Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> writes:

> On Thu, 03 Oct 2013 15:50:19 -0400, Randy Yates wrote:
>
>> glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> writes:
>>> [...]
>>> Since the 8087 keeps values on the stack in its internal 80 bit format,
>>> and without a hidden one, it might work in that case. It would, though,
>>> be 8087 specific.
>> 
>> glen,
>> 
>> That's one of the few references I've seen to an 8087 in the past 15
>> years. Do the modern Intel processors still have this device buried
>> somewhere deep within their core?
>> 
>> By the way, I can still remember the day (circa 1988) I brought home an
>> 80287 coprocessor to complement my 80286 system and saw my 1024-point
>> double FFT times drop from 100 seconds to 10 seconds; I was amazed!
>
> My college senior thesis involved doing LOTS of simulations of a fairly 
> complicated system (a tractor-trailer rig with three trailers).  One day 
> I lost patience, got up from my computer, went to the computer store 
> three towns over and bought an 8087, got back home two hours later, 
> interrupted the simulation that was STILL RUNNING, and installed the 8087 
> into my XP.
>
> The simulation then completed in something under half an hour, if I 
> remember correctly.

They had computers way back then? 
-- 
Randy Yates
Digital Signal Labs
http://www.digitalsignallabs.com

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#14133 — Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!)

Fromglen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu>
Date2013-10-03 21:51 +0000
SubjectRe: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!)
Message-ID<l2kot8$djr$1@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to#14130
In comp.dsp Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> wrote:

(snip, I wrote)
>> Since the 8087 keeps values on the stack in its internal 80 bit 
>> format, and without a hidden one, it might work in that case.
>> It would, though, be 8087 specific.
 
> That's one of the few references I've seen to an 8087 in the past 15
> years. Do the modern Intel processors still have this device buried
> somewhere deep within their core?

Most people say x87, but in this case I decided to say 8087.

> By the way, I can still remember the day (circa 1988) I brought home an
> 80287 coprocessor to complement my 80286 system and saw my 1024-point
> double FFT times drop from 100 seconds to 10 seconds; I was amazed!

The 80287 has the 8087 in its core. The 8087, like the 8088 and 8086
was designed to run on a clock with 33% duty cycle. (At least as
you approach the maximum clock rate. You have to meet the clock low
and clock high times.)

The 80286, on the other hand, runs with a 50% clock, and much 
faster than the 8086. The 80287 internal has much of the 8087
logic running on one (33%) clock, and bus interface logic to 
interface to the 80286 at its higher clock rate. The two clocks 
are asynchronous, synchronized internally.

My first 80286 machine had a socket for an 80287, but not good
choices for the clock. I built a little board that plugged into
the socket, held the 80287, and supplied it with a separate
clock (from an 8284 clock generator). 

The 80386, then, was designed to run with either an 80387
(rare in the beginning, and maybe later) or 80287. I don't know
how much actual logic from the 8087 went into the 80387.
It might have been a complete redesign.

The 80486 and later have the x87 logic built in, in whatever
form.

The Pentium FDIV bug hints at a complete redesign of the floating
point divide logic, if not the rest.

Continuing the clock story, the original IBM PC had a 14.31818MHz
crystal (4*3.379545MHz) to make the CGA easier to build. Using that
as the clock for the 8284 and 8088 (divide by three) got us the
strange 4.77 MHz, running a 5MHz 8088. All to save one crystal.

Since the ISA bus supplied the 14.31818MHz signal, and some cards,
especially the CGA, used it, all later ISA bus machines had to
supply that clock, even if they didn't use it for anything else.

-- glen

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#14140 — Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!)

FromRobert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com>
Date2013-10-04 00:02 -0500
SubjectRe: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!)
Message-ID<o5is49p2k7eob8mfpavg84v39juuaic6fb@4ax.com>
In reply to#14133
On Thu, 3 Oct 2013 21:51:36 +0000 (UTC), glen herrmannsfeldt
<gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> wrote:

>In comp.dsp Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> wrote:
>The 80386, then, was designed to run with either an 80387
>(rare in the beginning, and maybe later) or 80287. I don't know
>how much actual logic from the 8087 went into the 80387.
>It might have been a complete redesign.


Not much.  The 387 shipped two years after the 386, and had several
times as many transistors as the 287.  It was also about three times
as fast per clock as the 287, and clocked nearly three times faster to
boot.  It also had a 32 bit interface to the 386 (at least the DX
versions).  In practical terms it was about 8-9 times as fast as a
287.

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#14066 — Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!)

FromTim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really>
Date2013-10-02 00:12 -0500
SubjectRe: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!)
Message-ID<CbmdnesCSNzMNtbPnZ2dnUVZ5tWdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#14060
On Tue, 01 Oct 2013 16:36:11 -0700, robert bristow-johnson wrote:

> with apologies to Tim, who started a nice thread.  but it's time, i
> think, to euthanize it.
> 
> maybe not.  some threads go on forever.

I dunno.  I tossed a nice little fishy into a pond.  

Now its descendants are growing legs to crawl on land with, and teeth and 
to hunt down cute little bunny rabbits with.

Isn't evolution supposed to be a good thing?

-- 

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

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#14127 — Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!)

Fromrobert bristow-johnson <rbj@audioimagination.com>
Date2013-10-03 10:24 -0700
SubjectRe: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!)
Message-ID<l2k98u$sj1$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#14066
On 10/1/13 10:12 PM, Tim Wescott wrote:
> On Tue, 01 Oct 2013 16:36:11 -0700, robert bristow-johnson wrote:
>
>> with apologies to Tim, who started a nice thread.  but it's time, i
>> think, to euthanize it.
>>
>> maybe not.  some threads go on forever.
>
> I dunno.  I tossed a nice little fishy into a pond.
>
> Now its descendants are growing legs to crawl on land with, and teeth and
> to hunt down cute little bunny rabbits with.
>
> Isn't evolution supposed to be a good thing?
>

depending on if your species is on the decline or ascent, i guess.

i'll admit i've deliberately have tried to start a few fires.  felt like 
the old growth needed to yield sunlight to the new undergrowth.

-- 

r b-j                  rbj@audioimagination.com

"Imagination is more important than knowledge."

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#14067

FromTim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really>
Date2013-10-02 00:13 -0500
Message-ID<CbmdneoCSNwXNtbPnZ2dnUVZ5tUAAAAA@giganews.com>
In reply to#14056
On Tue, 01 Oct 2013 18:37:31 -0400, Randy Yates wrote:

> rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> writes:
>> [...]
>> I'm just going to make one more point and then I'm done with this
>> topic. Floating point is just fixed point with a range extending
>> multiplier added.  Anything you can do with fixed point you can do with
>> floating point.  The opposite is *not* true.
> 
> Here is something you can do with fixed-point that you can't do with
> floating point: perform a multiply-accumulate with 64 bits of precision.

You're presuming that floating point ends at 64-bit.  There's higher 
(even arbitrary) precision floating point standards out there.

Just sayin'

-- 

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

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#14069

Fromglen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu>
Date2013-10-02 06:51 +0000
Message-ID<l2gfol$u2e$1@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to#14067
In comp.dsp Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> wrote:

(snip, someone wrote)
>> Here is something you can do with fixed-point that you can't do with
>> floating point: perform a multiply-accumulate with 64 bits of precision.
 
> You're presuming that floating point ends at 64-bit.  There's higher 
> (even arbitrary) precision floating point standards out there.

There are, and IEEE 754 includes both a binary and decimal
format with 128 bits. Binary with 113 bits (including hidden bit)
and decimal with 34 decimal digits. Other than IBM, though, it is
hard to find hardware implementations (including microcode) of 
either of them.

The IBM 360/85, all S/370, and later (ESA/370, ESA/390, etc.)
include a hexadecimal floating point format with 128 bits for
all except divide. Somewhere in the ESA/390 days (around 2000)
DXR (extended precsion floating divide) was added. Previous to
that, IBM statistics indicated it was rare enough that software
emulation was good enough.

Some models of VAX have the microcode for H-float. Other models
emulate it in software. 

Some current processors have the instructions defined, but I 
believe trap and emulate in software when it is executed.

Some compilers implement it in software though subroutine calls
even if the hardware doesn't.

-- glen

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#14087

FromRandy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com>
Date2013-10-02 09:55 -0400
Message-ID<8738ojdbf9.fsf@digitalsignallabs.com>
In reply to#14067
Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> writes:

> On Tue, 01 Oct 2013 18:37:31 -0400, Randy Yates wrote:
>
>> rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> writes:
>>> [...]
>>> I'm just going to make one more point and then I'm done with this
>>> topic. Floating point is just fixed point with a range extending
>>> multiplier added.  Anything you can do with fixed point you can do with
>>> floating point.  The opposite is *not* true.
>> 
>> Here is something you can do with fixed-point that you can't do with
>> floating point: perform a multiply-accumulate with 64 bits of precision.
>
> You're presuming that floating point ends at 64-bit.  There's higher 
> (even arbitrary) precision floating point standards out there.

You mean like GMP (Gnu Multi-Precision)? Yeah, I know - just got done
doing some coding with that library a few weeks back.

> Just sayin'

Just respondin'
-- 
Randy Yates
Digital Signal Labs
http://www.digitalsignallabs.com

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#14088

FromRandy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com>
Date2013-10-02 09:58 -0400
Message-ID<87ob77bwql.fsf@digitalsignallabs.com>
In reply to#14067
Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> writes:

> On Tue, 01 Oct 2013 18:37:31 -0400, Randy Yates wrote:
>
>> rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> writes:
>>> [...]
>>> I'm just going to make one more point and then I'm done with this
>>> topic. Floating point is just fixed point with a range extending
>>> multiplier added.  Anything you can do with fixed point you can do with
>>> floating point.  The opposite is *not* true.
>> 
>> Here is something you can do with fixed-point that you can't do with
>> floating point: perform a multiply-accumulate with 64 bits of precision.
>
> You're presuming that floating point ends at 64-bit.  There's higher 
> (even arbitrary) precision floating point standards out there.

YOU'RE assuming integer ends at 64-bit - there are higher precision
integer libraries (e.g., GMP) out there...

(See my follow-up to rickman for the basis of comparison I intended)
-- 
Randy Yates
Digital Signal Labs
http://www.digitalsignallabs.com

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#14072

Fromrickman <gnuarm@gmail.com>
Date2013-10-02 03:12 -0400
Message-ID<l2gh2q$qjq$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#14056
On 10/1/2013 6:37 PM, Randy Yates wrote:
> rickman<gnuarm@gmail.com>  writes:
>> [...]
>> I'm just going to make one more point and then I'm done with this
>> topic. Floating point is just fixed point with a range extending
>> multiplier added.  Anything you can do with fixed point you can do
>> with floating point.  The opposite is *not* true.
>
> Here is something you can do with fixed-point that you can't do
> with floating point: perform a multiply-accumulate with 64 bits
> of precision.

Really?  You can't have a 64 bit mantissa with a floating point number? 
  Wow, it must be one of those really subtle mathematical things...

-- 

Rick

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#14085

FromRandy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com>
Date2013-10-02 09:49 -0400
Message-ID<87wqlvhjfd.fsf@digitalsignallabs.com>
In reply to#14072
rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> writes:

> On 10/1/2013 6:37 PM, Randy Yates wrote:
>> rickman<gnuarm@gmail.com>  writes:
>>> [...]
>>> I'm just going to make one more point and then I'm done with this
>>> topic. Floating point is just fixed point with a range extending
>>> multiplier added.  Anything you can do with fixed point you can do
>>> with floating point.  The opposite is *not* true.
>>
>> Here is something you can do with fixed-point that you can't do
>> with floating point: perform a multiply-accumulate with 64 bits
>> of precision.
>
> Really?  You can't have a 64 bit mantissa with a floating point
> number? Wow, it must be one of those really subtle mathematical
> things...

I'm sorry - I should have been more explicit on the basis of
comparison I am proposing: same number of bits for each. 
-- 
Randy Yates
Digital Signal Labs
http://www.digitalsignallabs.com

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#14091

Fromrickman <gnuarm@gmail.com>
Date2013-10-02 12:04 -0400
Message-ID<l2hg7n$9a8$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#14085
On 10/2/2013 9:49 AM, Randy Yates wrote:
> rickman<gnuarm@gmail.com>  writes:
>
>> On 10/1/2013 6:37 PM, Randy Yates wrote:
>>> rickman<gnuarm@gmail.com>   writes:
>>>> [...]
>>>> I'm just going to make one more point and then I'm done with this
>>>> topic. Floating point is just fixed point with a range extending
>>>> multiplier added.  Anything you can do with fixed point you can do
>>>> with floating point.  The opposite is *not* true.
>>>
>>> Here is something you can do with fixed-point that you can't do
>>> with floating point: perform a multiply-accumulate with 64 bits
>>> of precision.
>>
>> Really?  You can't have a 64 bit mantissa with a floating point
>> number? Wow, it must be one of those really subtle mathematical
>> things...
>
> I'm sorry - I should have been more explicit on the basis of
> comparison I am proposing: same number of bits for each.

Ok, then the point is... pointless.

-- 

Rick

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